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Revised proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts
by Arthur David Olson May 6, 2012

May 6, 2012

I've attached revised proposed changes for past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts; they also appear below (with tab characters mangled). I've added references provided by Dmitry V. Lenin to the "europe" file. I've changed "west Siberia" to "Omsk" in the "zone.tab" file. I've left unchanged the quote from "translate.google.com (since it is a quote.) For now, I've left unchanged the names provided by Oscar van Vlijmen; I hope we can defer issues of translation and transliteration until finishing the work on past changes in western Siberia and on 2011 changes. --ado diff -r -c old/europe new/europe *** old/europe 2012-05-02 17:54:22.581472200 -0400 --- new/europe 2012-05-05 09:40:53.091364400 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)europe 8.41 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)europe 8.43 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 2164,2182 **** 4:00 Russia SVE%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 5:00 Russia YEK%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 6:00 - YEKT # Yekaterinburg Time ! # ! # From Oscar van Vlijmen (2001-08-25): [This region consists of] ! # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj, Omskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Omsk 4:53:36 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 5:00 - OMST 1930 Jun 21 # Omsk TIme 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 5:00 Russia OMS%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - OMST ! # ! # From Paul Eggert (2006-08-19): I'm guessing about Tomsk here; it's ! # not clear when it switched from +7 to +6. ! # Novosibirskaya oblast', Tomskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Novosibirsk 5:31:40 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 6:00 - NOVT 1930 Jun 21 # Novosibirsk Time 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s --- 2164,2223 ---- 4:00 Russia SVE%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 5:00 Russia YEK%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 6:00 - YEKT # Yekaterinburg Time ! ! # From Tobias Conradi (2011-09-17): ! # I know that Wikipedia is not reliable, still I would like to start with: ! # <a href=" http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0… "> ! # http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0… ! # </a> ! ! # From Arthur David Olson (2012-05-02): ! # According to ! # <a href=" http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org… "> ! # http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org… ! # </a>: "...the regions of Western Siberia, ! # formerly stationed in the area of MSK+4, ! # switched to the time of MSK+3, joining the Omsk Time: ! # Novosibirsk Region May 23, 1993 at 00:00, ! # Altai and the Altai Republic May 28, 1995 at 4:00 am, ! # Tomsk Region May 1, 2002 at 3:00 am." ! ! # From Dmitry V. Levin (2012-05-03): ! # ! # Novosibirsk Region May 23, 1993 at 00:00 ! # An article in a newspaper archive (in Russian): ! # <a href="http://vedomosti.sfo.ru/articles/?article=20345"> ! # http://vedomosti.sfo.ru/articles/?article=20345 ! # </a> ! # (Refers to a resolution of the Legislative Assembly of Novosibirsk Region ! # On Transferring to the Fifth Time Zone). ! # ! # ! # Altai and the Altai Republic May 28, 1995 at 4:00 am ! # Text of the Resolution (in Russian): ! # <a href="http://altai.regionz.ru/index.php?ds=1326596"> ! # http://altai.regionz.ru/index.php?ds=1326596 ! # </a> ! # (State Assembly-El Kurultai of the Altai Republic Resolution #8-11 of ! # 6 April 1995 On Transferring the Altai Republic to the Fifth Time Zone. ! # Mentions: Altai Krai Legislative Assembly Resolution #35 of 3 March 1995 ! # On Transferring Altai Krai to the Fifth Time Zone). ! # ! # ! # Tomsk Region May 1, 2002 at 3:00 am ! # Text of the Resolution (in Russian): ! # <a href="http://docs.kodeks.ru/document/901815739"> ! # http://docs.kodeks.ru/document/901815739 ! # </a> ! # (Government of the Russian Federation. Resolution #246 of 17 April 2002 ! # On Using the Time of the Fifth Time Zone on the Territory of Tomsk Oblast). ! ! # Omskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Omsk 4:53:36 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 5:00 - OMST 1930 Jun 21 # Omsk TIme 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 5:00 Russia OMS%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - OMST ! ! # Novosibirskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Novosibirsk 5:31:40 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 6:00 - NOVT 1930 Jun 21 # Novosibirsk Time 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s *************** *** 2185,2190 **** --- 2226,2249 ---- 6:00 Russia NOV%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - NOVT + # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj. + Zone Asia/Barnaul 5:35:00 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 + 6:00 - BART 1930 Jun 21 # Barnaul Time + 7:00 Russia BAR%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s + 6:00 Russia BAR%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s + 7:00 Russia BAR%sT 1995 May 28 4:00s # wikipedia.ru + 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s + 7:00 - OMST + + # Tomskaya oblast'. + Zone Asia/Tomsk 5:39:52 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 + 6:00 - TOMT 1930 Jun 21 # Tomsk Time + 7:00 Russia TOM%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s + 6:00 Russia TOM%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s + 7:00 Russia TOM%sT 2002 May 1 3:00s # wikipedia.ru + 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s + 7:00 - OMST + # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2009-10-13): # Kemerovo oblast' (Kemerovo region) in Russia will change current time zone on # March 28, 2010: diff -r -c old/zone.tab new/zone.tab *** old/zone.tab 2012-05-02 17:54:34.515493100 -0400 --- new/zone.tab 2012-05-05 09:40:50.719228800 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)zone.tab 8.55 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. # --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)zone.tab 8.57 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. # *************** *** 336,343 **** RU +4844+04425 Europe/Volgograd Moscow+00 - Caspian Sea RU +5312+05009 Europe/Samara Moscow+00 - Samara, Udmurtia RU +5651+06036 Asia/Yekaterinburg Moscow+02 - Urals ! RU +5500+07324 Asia/Omsk Moscow+03 - west Siberia RU +5502+08255 Asia/Novosibirsk Moscow+03 - Novosibirsk RU +5345+08707 Asia/Novokuznetsk Moscow+03 - Novokuznetsk RU +5601+09250 Asia/Krasnoyarsk Moscow+04 - Yenisei River RU +5216+10420 Asia/Irkutsk Moscow+05 - Lake Baikal --- 336,345 ---- RU +4844+04425 Europe/Volgograd Moscow+00 - Caspian Sea RU +5312+05009 Europe/Samara Moscow+00 - Samara, Udmurtia RU +5651+06036 Asia/Yekaterinburg Moscow+02 - Urals ! RU +5500+07324 Asia/Omsk Moscow+03 - Omsk RU +5502+08255 Asia/Novosibirsk Moscow+03 - Novosibirsk + RU +5322+08345 Asia/Barnaul Moscow+03 - Altai + RU +5800+08458 Asia/Tomsk Moscow+03 - Tomsk RU +5345+08707 Asia/Novokuznetsk Moscow+03 - Novokuznetsk RU +5601+09250 Asia/Krasnoyarsk Moscow+04 - Yenisei River RU +5216+10420 Asia/Irkutsk Moscow+05 - Lake Baikal

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Sakha Republic - raion, ulus, district
by Tobias Conradi May 5, 2012

May 5, 2012

In reply to Oscar van Vlijmen 2012-05-04 (ca. 20:06 - not sure what offsets my mailer uses) ============= "[tz] proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts" >> http://www.garant.ru/hotlaw/federal/346568/ >> ???? (ulus) not found on that page > > Them trolls! Good you looked into this! > The complete text of the law is now published at: > http://government.ru/gov/results/16355/ ============== The 1992 http://government.consultant.ru/page.aspx?1223966 only has raion as far as I could see. 2011 http://government.ru/gov/results/16355/ for Sakha has ulus with raion in parentheses. while the summary at http://www.garant.ru/hotlaw/federal/346568/ has only raion. All non-English Wikipedias use a form of "Ulus" for an article about an individual ulus, only the English WP does not, e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyysky_District I suggest using only transliteration (i.e. raion or ulus) instead of using the term "district" for the tz database. This avoids issues with other entities that may be translated as district. Following are two examples of other translations for the pair raion=district. Economic raion -> Economic region http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_regions_of_Russia Federal okrug -> Federal district http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_districts_of_Russia -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts
by OvV_HN May 4, 2012

May 4, 2012

Replying to: [tz] proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts Tobias Conradi tobias.conradi at gmail.com Fri May 4 16:43:02 UTC 2012 2) > ISO_9 is two way, isn't it? System A and B of ISO 9 are meant to be 2-way, but System A cannot be represented in ASCII 7-bits. System B can. Be my guest. 3) > http://www.garant.ru/hotlaw/federal/346568/ > ???? (ulus) not found on that page Them trolls! Good you looked into this! The complete text of the law is now published at: http://government.ru/gov/results/16355/ Oscar van Vlijmen

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proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts
by OvV_HN May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

In reply to: Tobias Conradi tobias.conradi at gmail.com Thu May 3 15:02:15 UTC 2012 First I suggest to change "[This region consists of]" as e.g. in ! # From Oscar van Vlijmen (2001-08-25): [This region consists of] to "[This zone consists of]" since I assume "region" here refers to the tzdb zone. Second I suggest to A) either use the names of the country subdivisions as in the Wikipedia article names...... etc., etc. Reply: With respect, but you can do whatever you want, TZ can do whatever they want, I don't care, but my advice would be: just stick as close as you can get (with a reasonable transliteration) to the official region names, as stated in the law regarding time zones, to be foud at: http://www.garant.ru/hotlaw/federal/346568/ (in Russian). Oscar van Vlijmen

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proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts
by Arthur David Olson May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

I've attached proposed changes to reflect past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts; the changes appear below with mangled tabs. Thanks to Tobias Conradi for providing information. --ado diff -r -c old/europe new/europe *** old/europe 2012-05-02 17:54:22.581472200 -0400 --- new/europe 2012-05-02 18:10:54.852205400 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)europe 8.41 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)europe 8.42 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 2164,2182 **** 4:00 Russia SVE%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 5:00 Russia YEK%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 6:00 - YEKT # Yekaterinburg Time ! # ! # From Oscar van Vlijmen (2001-08-25): [This region consists of] ! # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj, Omskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Omsk 4:53:36 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 5:00 - OMST 1930 Jun 21 # Omsk TIme 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 5:00 Russia OMS%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - OMST ! # ! # From Paul Eggert (2006-08-19): I'm guessing about Tomsk here; it's ! # not clear when it switched from +7 to +6. ! # Novosibirskaya oblast', Tomskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Novosibirsk 5:31:40 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 6:00 - NOVT 1930 Jun 21 # Novosibirsk Time 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s --- 2164,2196 ---- 4:00 Russia SVE%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 5:00 Russia YEK%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 6:00 - YEKT # Yekaterinburg Time ! ! # From Tobias Conradi (2011-09-17): ! # I know that Wikipedia is not reliable, still I would like to start with: ! # <a href=" http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0… "> ! # http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0… ! # </a> ! ! # From Arthur David Olson (2012-05-02): ! # According to ! # <a href=" http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org… "> ! # http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org… ! # </a>: "...the regions of Western Siberia, ! # formerly stationed in the area of MSK+4, ! # switched to the time of MSK+3, joining the Omsk Time: ! # Novosibirsk Region May 23, 1993 at 00:00, ! # Altai and the Altai Republic May 28, 1995 at 4:00 am, ! # Tomsk Region May 1, 2002 at 3:00 am." ! ! # Omskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Omsk 4:53:36 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 5:00 - OMST 1930 Jun 21 # Omsk TIme 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 5:00 Russia OMS%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - OMST ! ! # Novosibirskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Novosibirsk 5:31:40 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 6:00 - NOVT 1930 Jun 21 # Novosibirsk Time 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s *************** *** 2185,2190 **** --- 2199,2222 ---- 6:00 Russia NOV%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - NOVT + # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj. + Zone Asia/Barnaul 5:35:00 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 + 6:00 - BART 1930 Jun 21 # Barnaul Time + 7:00 Russia BAR%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s + 6:00 Russia BAR%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s + 7:00 Russia BAR%sT 1995 May 28 4:00s # wikipedia.ru + 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s + 7:00 - OMST + + # Tomskaya oblast'. + Zone Asia/Tomsk 5:39:52 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 + 6:00 - TOMT 1930 Jun 21 # Tomsk Time + 7:00 Russia TOM%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s + 6:00 Russia TOM%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s + 7:00 Russia TOM%sT 2002 May 1 3:00s # wikipedia.ru + 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s + 7:00 - OMST + # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2009-10-13): # Kemerovo oblast' (Kemerovo region) in Russia will change current time zone on # March 28, 2010: diff -r -c old/zone.tab new/zone.tab *** old/zone.tab 2012-05-02 17:54:34.515493100 -0400 --- new/zone.tab 2012-05-02 17:53:52.504619400 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)zone.tab 8.55 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. # --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)zone.tab 8.56 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. # *************** *** 338,343 **** --- 338,345 ---- RU +5651+06036 Asia/Yekaterinburg Moscow+02 - Urals RU +5500+07324 Asia/Omsk Moscow+03 - west Siberia RU +5502+08255 Asia/Novosibirsk Moscow+03 - Novosibirsk + RU +5322+08345 Asia/Barnaul Moscow+03 - Altai + RU +5800+08458 Asia/Tomsk Moscow+03 - Tomsk RU +5345+08707 Asia/Novokuznetsk Moscow+03 - Novokuznetsk RU +5601+09250 Asia/Krasnoyarsk Moscow+04 - Yenisei River RU +5216+10420 Asia/Irkutsk Moscow+05 - Lake Baikal

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New Time Zone for Mexico- Quintana Roo state
by Alexander Krivenyshev May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

According to news, Mexico Senate approved creating a new time zone for Quintana Roo state (Cancun, Cozumel) (in Spanish) Nuevo Huso Horario para QR será una hora de diferencia y no dos, aclara Senadora (audio); datos equivocados generaron confusión: EQR http://www.expedientequintanaroo.com/2012/04/nuevo-huso-horario-para-qr-ser… una.html Senado aprueba nuevo huso horario para Quintana Roo http://noticias.terra.com.mx/mexico/estados/senado-aprueba-nuevo-huso-horar… para-quintana-roo,9f5c873e0d7e6310VgnVCM5000009ccceb0aRCRD.html (brief in English) http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_mexico10.html This measure passed by the Senate and now have to be passed by the Chamber of Deputies. Alexander Krivenyshev- WorldTimeZone.com http://www.worldtimezone.com

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Bugs in Russia - Seven month past since 2011-09-17 - still not fixed
by Tobias Conradi May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

Can these bugs please be fixed http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-September/008809.html http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-October/008937.html ? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/tobias_conradi

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Re: [tz] Bugs in Russia - Seven month past since 2011-09-17 - still not fixed
by Robert Elz May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

I received a copy of this message via private mail, not copied to the list - and replied (as below) - then I saw another copy of the message was sent to the list, so I am forwarding my reply to the list as well... Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:42:58 +0200 From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> Message-ID: <CAAGevbUqw308pGi7bYYNeZrwwvwtinqqskvW0Jv8aTOcESzMnA@mai= l.gmail.com> | Suggested new zone: | Asia/Barnaul, split from Asia/Omsk But why? What's different about the zones, aside from their names? | Moves to Omsk Time That tells me nothing. | FIX: oblast should be Republic. Do you mean that we should change the word we use? Could you explain why (and it would be better on the list than in private mail to m= e). | > that isn't "making up new rules on the fly" | If not on the fly, it should be specified in the Theory file, so that= | contributors are warned that their fixes may not be added for 7+ | months if they don't affect current time stamps. No, that's not why the changes you want didn't get made - it is because no-one understands what was supposed to be changed, or why. It might be obvious to you, it isn't to anyone else. | I think you are misinformed here. E.g. for | "Zone Asia/Omsk" it says in tzdata2012c\europe | #... [This region consists of] | # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj, Omskaya oblast'. Sure, we attempt to indicate what region the zone applies in, and we will fix bugs in that if we understand what the bug is, but the purpose of the project isn't to make those mappings, that's one of the frills - we collect that data more so we know that we have all of the needed zones, not so the region data can be used for anything very useful. If that's allowed you to find a missing zone, that's great, but we can't just make a new zone with no data in it, we need to know what to put there, and it needs to be different from the existing zones, we avoid making duplicates (within a country). kre

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Re: [tz] Bugs in Russia - Seven month past since 2011-09-17 - still not fixed
by Tobias Conradi May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

> "Suggested new zone: > Asia/Barnaul, split from Asia/Omsk" > >>or why. > "Moves to Omsk Time" > > > I think I see the problem. "Split from Asia/Omsk" implies that the area > involved was already on Omsk time. If it moved to Omsk time, then it was > in some other zone previously, and is split from that zone. Andy, thanks for this. Actually both /could/ be true. The two Altais (proposed "Asia/Barnaul") could have observed the time of Asia/Omsk in the past (Omsk Time), then for some years they didn't, because Omsk changed it's offset from Moscow. So the split from Omsk occurred in reality too. Later they join Omsk Time (Omsk Time Zone), i.e. observe the time of Asia/Omsk tz zone, but they stay in Asia/Barnaul tz zone. But at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Time I see no indication that the Altais did observe Omsk Time in the past. It looks as if it was Novosibirsk Time, i.e. when Novosibirsk changed to Omsk Time, Novosibirsk and the Altais split. So the real split occurred from Asia/Novosibirsk. -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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Morroco changes
by Sebastien WILLEMIJNS May 1, 2012

May 1, 2012

http://www.lavieeco.com/news/actualites/gmt-1-officialise-pour-de-bon-21957… http://french.cri.cn/621/2012/04/29/442s279539.htm dunno if TZ change has been done recently or it is for next year...

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tzdata2012c contains tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov, change to tz@iana.org?
by Tobias Conradi May 1, 2012

May 1, 2012

# This data is by no means authoritative; if you think you know better, # go ahead and edit the file (and please send any changes to # tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov for general use in the future). Maybe change tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov to tz(a)iana.org ? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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Re: [tz] Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011
by Tobias Conradi April 30, 2012

April 30, 2012

Thanks for explaining how you see things. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Marc Lehmann <schmorp(a)schmorp.de> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:28:20PM +0200, Tobias Conradi <tobias.conradi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> 3) You are not the position to decide what is needed and what not. >> 4) I know Ado does this voluntary as anyone else that did contribute >> facts. Maybe you too. > > Did you just post a private mail to a public mailinglist? If yes, that's > really rude. > > In any case, he was right, your comment and tone were (are) completely > uncalled for. There is also a big difference between what you did and > what ado did, so pulling him down on your level of contribution is very > arrogant of you. > > Last not least, dealing this out, and then being superpicky because > somebody called you "mate" (which is nothing special) is rather childish - > maybe this can be attributed to a lack of understanding of the english > language? > > If that's the case, you should listen when people react "weirdly": English > is full of subtleties - it's often a hint that you sounded more arrogant > than you actually intended to. > > Just a well-meant hint. > > -- > The choice of a > -----==- _GNU_ > ----==-- _ generation > ---==---(_)__ __ ____ __ Marc Lehmann > --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / schmorp(a)schmorp.de > -=====/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/tobias_conradi

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New zone for DE, split from Europe/Berlin
by Mr tobias conradi April 30, 2012

April 30, 2012

The German exclave of Büsingen (http://www.buesingen.de/) surrounded by the Swiss canton Schaffhausen, did not start observing DST in 1980 as the rest of DE (West Germany at that time) and DD (East Germany at that time) did. DD merged into DE, the area is currently covered by code DE in ISO 3166-1, which in turn is covered by the zone Europe/Berlin. Source for the time in Büsingen 1980: http://www.videoportal.sf.tv/video?id=c012c029-03b7-4c2b-9164-aa5902cd58d3 Suggested zone name: Europe/Busingen (removing diacritics as does UN/LOCODE) OR Europe/Buesingen (resolving as in German language) -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin, Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Re: [tz] Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011
by Tobias Conradi April 30, 2012

April 30, 2012

1) I am not your mate. 2) The question was not rhetorical. 3) You are not the position to decide what is needed and what not. 4) I know Ado does this voluntary as anyone else that did contribute facts. Maybe you too. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Paw Boel Nielsen <pawboelnielsen(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey mate, > > About your latest mail to the tz-mail-list: > >>> Does >>> anyone know whether folks in Russia now think of themselves as being >>> on "permanent daylight saving time" or think of themselves as having >>> new, different standard times? >>"folks" sounds quite unspecific. Do you mean people living in areas that >> "did not turn its clocks back in the fall" as claimed in the first sentence? > > I am assuming you comment about "folks" is rhetorical in which case kindly > refrain from posting that kind of comments in the future, it doesn't add > anything positive to the forum. > Ado does his work voluntarily, and your comment is unneeded. > > Kind regards, > Paw > > > -----Original > Message----- > From: tz-bounces(a)iana.org [mailto:tz-bounces@iana.org] On Behalf Of Tobias > Conradi > Sent: 29 April 2012 20:24 > To: tz(a)iana.org > Subject: [tz] Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011 > > On Sun, Apr 29, > 2012 at 4:50 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson...> wrote: > >> 1. Some > areas of Russia reportedly changed time zones in 2011. Does >> anyone know > the exact instants at which these changes were made (both >> date and > time for each affected region, since the instant at which the >> change was > made may vary from region to region)? > Could you name > what areas you refer to, so people can search more precisely for what you > want > to know? > > Which reports do > you refer to? > > In 2011 there > were talks on the mailing list about issues with Yakutia and with Sakhalin. > > I myself did > suggest new zones that may be needed, given the old information in the tzdb > was > correct: > http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-September/008799.html > >> 2. In 2010 > much of Russia did not turn its clocks back in the fall. > Can you cite a > reference for that claim? > >> Does >> anyone know > whether folks in Russia now think of themselves as being >> on > "permanent daylight saving time" or think of themselves as having >> new, > different standard times? > "folks" > sounds quite unspecific. Do you mean people living in areas that "did not > turn its clocks back in the fall" as claimed in the first sentence? > > -- > Tobias Conradi > Rheinsberger > Str. 18 > 10115 Berlin > Germany > > http://tobiasconradi.com > -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011
by Tobias Conradi April 29, 2012

April 29, 2012

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson...> wrote: > 1. Some areas of Russia reportedly changed time zones in 2011. Does anyone > know the exact instants at which these changes were made (both date and time > for each affected region, since the instant at which the change was made may > vary from region to region)? Could you name what areas you refer to, so people can search more precisely for what you want to know? Which reports do you refer to? In 2011 there were talks on the mailing list about issues with Yakutia and with Sakhalin. I myself did suggest new zones that may be needed, given the old information in the tzdb was correct: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-September/008799.html > 2. In 2010 much of Russia did not turn its clocks back in the fall. Can you cite a reference for that claim? > Does > anyone know whether folks in Russia now think of themselves as being on > "permanent daylight saving time" or think of themselves as having new, > different standard times? "folks" sounds quite unspecific. Do you mean people living in areas that "did not turn its clocks back in the fall" as claimed in the first sentence? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Samoa error in backward file
by Timo Kähkönen April 7, 2012

April 7, 2012

Hi, I downloaded the file ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/tzdata-latest.tar.gz and noticed one error in a text file named "backward". Backward file has two zones, which both link to Pacific/Pago_Pago. These are the two rows: Link Pacific/Pago_Pago Pacific/Samoa Link Pacific/Pago_Pago US/Samoa I'm not sure, but I assume that the record is wrong. There are two countries: 1. Samoa (WS), which Capital is Apia. Timezone UTC+13, Summer Time UTC+14 (Note! The same offsets than in Pacific/Apia) 2. American Samoa (AS), whose capital is Pago Pago. Timezone Samoa Standard Time (SST), UTC-11 (Note! THe same offsets than in Pacific/Pago_Pago. So, I assume that the rows should be: Link Pacific/Apia Pacific/Samoa Link Pacific/Pago_Pago US/Samoa Please correct if I'm wrong. Timo Kähkönen

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Paul Eggert as new coordinator?
by Arthur David Olson April 7, 2012

April 7, 2012

I've been in touch with Paul Eggert; Paul is willing to serve as time zone coordinator. Paul has been part of the time zone community since the early 1990s; folks can read the database files to see the depth of Paul's involvement. I'd appreciate reactions to Paul's offer; please respond within the next week. (I hope to have a new coordinator in place sooner rather than later.) --ado

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tzdata2012c released
by Robert Elz April 2, 2012

April 2, 2012

The file ftp://munnari.oz.au/pub/tzdata2012c.tar.gz is now available. This reflects the changes circulated last week by the tz co-ordinator (Arthur David Olson). Just in case it isn't obvious, this is a data only update (no code changes) tzcode2012b remains the current code version. The executive summary of the changes: africa Summer time changes for Morocco (to start late April 2012) asia Changes for 2012 for Gaza & the West Bank (Hebron) and Syria northamerica Haiti following US/Canada rules for 2012 (and we're assuming, for now anyway, for the future). Crypto hashes using several algorithms from NetBSD's pkgsrc digest program are appended, you can use these to verify that you have successfully fetched the same file that I intended to distribute (which is a tar.gz file that ado sent me to distribute). A few words on the logistics of all of this ... my term maintaining this stuff ended when ado & Paul returned after the law suit was withdrawn. For now, Arthur is the co-ordinator again, but as you have all seen on the list, the plan is for Paul to take over soon, in accordance with Arthur's long stated plan to retire sometime this year. The files are still being distributed from munnari.oz.au as (as I understand it) elsie is no longer available for this function, and arrangements to make it convenient to use the IANA site as a distribution point will probably not be made until after Paul has taken over. I expect the file will be copied to the IANA site sometime later today. kre MD5 (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = cfdc2710bd05c26dbd624441d57028f6 RMD160 (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = cf38b711231e0ddba2b4c0f7be4d18658d751774 SHA1 (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = e0cd9c2cc0ac8d90ed842133b910d4bb3bc1a6dd SHA512 (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = c43630f0bf1973b368229c788da90965d7c8b0d6dc8aa0f4bcbfac018a8c8291e1eb21cae05282df2eba6ec9a647c53c02fd92fea91fd5cb93855808387e52b9 TIGER (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = 75f21b8b8645630cf679fbdd37f5d5789ace4ad69ebe9f26 WHIRLPOOL (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = 119d8076a88287eb5063bd977aa63eaf918310e33b1d1f4fc60ad9ad72ed9b1d62918345e6f5786ca0ce6d5b938db1e33d05c0bdfdf70d1bd22a10ee825cf99d

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Re: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator?
by ctoraman＠isbank.net.tr March 29, 2012

March 29, 2012

+1 Gönderen: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <cdl(a)asgaard.org> Tarih: Perşembe, Mart 29, 2012 2:38 pm Konu: Re: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator? > +1 > > Chris > > On 28Mar2012, at 19.12, Robert Masters wrote: > > > I think Paul is an excellent choice. > > > > My deepest thanks to him for agreeing to take over, and to you, > Arthur, for all your work in creating this. > > > > -Rob > > > > From: tz-bounces(a)iana.org [tz-bounces(a)iana.org] On Behalf Of > Arthur David Olson > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2012 10:51 AM > > To: tz(a)iana.org > > Subject: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator? > > > > I've been in touch with Paul Eggert; > > Paul is willing to serve as time zone coordinator. > > Paul has been part of the time zone community since the early 1990s; > > folks can read the database files to see the depth of Paul's > involvement.> > > I'd appreciate reactions to Paul's offer; > > please respond within the next week. > > (I hope to have a new coordinator in place sooner rather than > later.)> > > --ado > > > > > ************************************************************************> Bunnings Legal Disclaimer: > > > > 1) This email is confidential and may contain legally privileged > > information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not > > disclose or use the information contained in it. If you have > received> this email in error, please notify us immediately by > return email and > > delete the document. > > > > 2) All emails sent to and sent from Bunnings Group Limited. > > are scanned for content. Any material deemed to contain > inappropriate> subject matter will be reported to the email > administrator of all > > parties concerned. > > > ************************************************************************ > -- > 李柯睿 > Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc > Current vCard here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.vcf > Check my calendar availability: https://tungle.me/cdl > > >

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Re: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator?
by SM March 29, 2012

March 29, 2012

At 19:50 26-03-2012, Arthur David Olson wrote: >I've been in touch with Paul Eggert; >Paul is willing to serve as time zone coordinator. >Paul has been part of the time zone community since the early 1990s; The time zone database will be in good hands with Paul Eggert serving as time zone coordinator. Regards, -sm

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Re: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator?
by Ephraim Silverberg March 28, 2012

March 28, 2012

> I'd appreciate reactions to Paul's offer; > please respond within the next week. I wholeheartedly support the choice of Paul Eggert as TZ coordinator. Ephraim _____________________________________ Ephraim Silverberg, CSE System Group, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel. Phone/Fax number: +972-2-5494521

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Nagorno-Karabakh abolishing Daylight Saving Time
by Alexander Krivenyshev March 28, 2012

March 28, 2012

According to news Nagorno-Karabakh (de facto independent republic, disputed between Armenia and Azerbaijan) is abolishing Daylight Saving Time. about Nagorno-Karabakh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_Republic (in Russian) Nagorno-Karabakh rejects daylight saving time. http://nbnews.com.ua/news/34302/ http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/203632/ some translation from Russian: According to the Department of Information and Public Relations of the government of Nagorno-Karabakh, the government void decision "On a new procedure for the calculation time of the Nagorno-Karabakh" (October 25, 1996), which used to regulate transition to DST or (brief) http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_nagorno-karabakh01.html P.S. Armenia will not observe DST in 2012 and Azerbaijan begins DST on March 25, 2012. Alexander Krivenyshev- WorldTimeZone.com http://www.worldtimezone.com

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proposed time zone package changes (Morocco, Haiti, Syria, West Bank, Gaza)
by Arthur David Olson March 27, 2012

March 27, 2012

I've attached "2012c.txt" with proposed time zone package changes; for convenience, the text appears below (as munged by Gmail). A summary: africa Morocco 2012 DST from last Sunday in April through last Sunday in September. asia Insert missing html directive at top of file. Change start of DST in Syria to last Friday in March in 2012 and (as a guess) forward. Starts and (guessed) ends of DST in West Bank and Gaza for 2012. northamerica Start and end of DST in Haiti in 2012 according to US rules. I'll send tarballs to KRE for possible use at munnari. --ado diff -r -c old/africa new/africa *** old/africa 2012-03-27 11:38:41.434131900 -0400 --- new/africa 2012-03-27 11:39:34.942225900 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)africa 8.33 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)africa 8.35 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 768,773 **** --- 768,804 ---- # wall clock time (i.e. 11pm UTC), but that's what I would assume. It has # also been like that in the past. + # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2012-03-09): + # According to Infomédiaire web site from Morocco (infomediaire.ma ), + # on March 9, 2012, (in French) Heure légale: + # Le Maroc adopte officiellement l'heure d'été + # <a href=" http://www.infomediaire.ma/news/maroc/heure-l%C3%A9gale-le-maroc-adopte-off… "> + # http://www.infomediaire.ma/news/maroc/heure-l%C3%A9gale-le-maroc-adopte-off… + # </a> + # Governing Council adopted draft decree, that Morocco DST starts on + # the last Sunday of March (March 25, 2012) and ends on + # last Sunday of September (September 30, 2012) + # except the month of Ramadan. + # or (brief) + # <a href="http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_morocco06.html"> + # http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_morocco06.html + # </a> + + # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-10): + # The infomediaire.ma source indicates that the system is to be in + # effect every year. It gives 03H00 as the "fall back" time of day; + # it lacks a "spring forward" time of day; assume 2:00 XXX. + # Wait on specifying the Ramadan exception for details about + # start date, start time of day, end date, and end time of day XXX. + + # From Christophe Tropamer (2012-03-16): + # Seen Morocco change again: + # <a href="http://www.le2uminutes.com/actualite.php"> + # http://www.le2uminutes.com/actualite.php + # </a> + # "...à partir du dernier dimance d'avril et non fins mars, + # comme annoncé précédemment." + # RULE NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule Morocco 1939 only - Sep 12 0:00 1:00 S *************** *** 793,798 **** --- 824,832 ---- Rule Morocco 2010 only - Aug 8 0:00 0 - Rule Morocco 2011 only - Apr 3 0:00 1:00 S Rule Morocco 2011 only - Jul 31 0 0 - + Rule Morocco 2012 max - Apr lastSun 2:00 1:00 S + Rule Morocco 2012 max - Sep lastSun 3:00 0 - + # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Africa/Casablanca -0:30:20 - LMT 1913 Oct 26 0:00 Morocco WE%sT 1984 Mar 16 diff -r -c old/asia new/asia *** old/asia 2012-03-27 11:38:41.449731900 -0400 --- new/asia 2012-03-27 12:17:45.198848600 -0400 *************** *** 1,4 **** ! # @(#)asia 8.70 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- ! # <pre> ! # @(#)asia 8.73 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 2247,2252 **** --- 2248,2276 ---- # http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=424808 # </a> + # From Steffen Thorsen (2012-03-26): + # Palestinian news sources tell that both Gaza and West Bank will start DST + # on Friday (Thursday midnight, 2012-03-29 24:00). + # Some of many sources in Arabic: + # <a href="http://www.samanews.com/index.php?act=Show&id=122638"> + # http://www.samanews.com/index.php?act=Show&id=122638 + # </a> + # + # <a href=" http://safa.ps/details/news/74352/%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%… "> + # http://safa.ps/details/news/74352/%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%… + # </a> + # + # Our brief summary: + # <a href=" http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/gaza-west-bank-dst-2012.html"> + # http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/gaza-west-bank-dst-2012.html + # </a> + + # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-27): + # The timeanddate article for 2012 says that "the end date has not yet been + # announced" and that "Last year, both...paused daylight saving time during... + # Ramadan. It is not yet known [for] 2012." + # For now, assume both switch back on the last Friday in September. XXX + # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule EgyptAsia 1957 only - May 10 0:00 1:00 S Rule EgyptAsia 1957 1958 - Oct 1 0:00 0 - *************** *** 2279,2284 **** --- 2303,2310 ---- 2:00 Jordan EE%sT 1999 2:00 Palestine EE%sT 2011 Apr 2 12:01 2:00 1:00 EEST 2011 Aug 1 + 2:00 - EET 2012 Mar 30 + 2:00 1:00 EEST 2012 Sep 28 2:00 - EET Zone Asia/Hebron 2:20:23 - LMT 1900 Oct *************** *** 2292,2297 **** --- 2318,2325 ---- 2:00 1:00 EEST 2011 Aug 1 2:00 - EET 2011 Aug 30 2:00 1:00 EEST 2011 Sep 30 3:00 + 2:00 - EET 2012 Mar 30 + 2:00 1:00 EEST 2012 Sep 28 3:00 2:00 - EET # Paracel Is *************** *** 2583,2592 **** # http://sns.sy/sns/?path=news/read/11421 (Arabic) # </a> Rule Syria 2008 only - Apr Fri>=1 0:00 1:00 S Rule Syria 2008 only - Nov 1 0:00 0 - Rule Syria 2009 only - Mar lastFri 0:00 1:00 S ! Rule Syria 2010 max - Apr Fri>=1 0:00 1:00 S Rule Syria 2009 max - Oct lastFri 0:00 0 - # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] --- 2611,2638 ---- # http://sns.sy/sns/?path=news/read/11421 (Arabic) # </a> + # From Steffen Thorsen (2012-03-26): + # Today, Syria's government announced that they will start DST early on Friday + # (00:00). This is a bit earlier than the past two years. + # + # From Syrian Arab News Agency, in Arabic: + # <a href="http://www.sana.sy/ara/2/2012/03/26/408215.htm"> + # http://www.sana.sy/ara/2/2012/03/26/408215.htm + # </a> + # + # Our brief summary: + # <a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/syria-dst-2012.html"> + # http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/syria-dst-2012.html + # </a> + + # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-27): + # Assume last Friday in March going forward XXX. + Rule Syria 2008 only - Apr Fri>=1 0:00 1:00 S Rule Syria 2008 only - Nov 1 0:00 0 - Rule Syria 2009 only - Mar lastFri 0:00 1:00 S ! Rule Syria 2010 2011 - Apr Fri>=1 0:00 1:00 S ! Rule Syria 2012 max - Mar lastFri 0:00 1:00 S Rule Syria 2009 max - Oct lastFri 0:00 0 - # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] diff -r -c old/northamerica new/northamerica *** old/northamerica 2012-03-27 11:38:41.449731900 -0400 --- new/northamerica 2012-03-27 11:39:34.957825900 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)northamerica 8.53 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)northamerica 8.54 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 2970,2975 **** --- 2970,2998 ---- # From Stephen Colebourne (2007-02-22): # Some IATA info: Haiti won't be having DST in 2007. + # From Steffen Thorsen (2012-03-11): + # According to several news sources, Haiti will observe DST this year, + # apparently using the same start and end date as USA/Canada. + # So this means they have already changed their time. + # + # (Sources in French): + # <a href="http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article12510"> + # http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article12510 + # </a> + # <a href="http://radiovision2000haiti.net/home/?p=13253"> + # http://radiovision2000haiti.net/home/?p=13253 + # </a> + # + # Our coverage: + # <a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/haiti-dst-2012.html"> + # http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/haiti-dst-2012.html + # </a> + + # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-11): + # The alterpresse.org source seems to show a US-style leap from 2:00 a.m. to + # 3:00 a.m. rather than the traditional Haitian jump at midnight. + # Assume a US-style fall back as well XXX. + # Do not yet assume that the change carries forward past 2012 XXX. # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule Haiti 1983 only - May 8 0:00 1:00 D *************** *** 2981,2986 **** --- 3004,3011 ---- Rule Haiti 1988 1997 - Oct lastSun 1:00s 0 S Rule Haiti 2005 2006 - Apr Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 D Rule Haiti 2005 2006 - Oct lastSun 0:00 0 S + Rule Haiti 2012 only - Mar Sun>=8 2:00 1:00 D + Rule Haiti 2012 only - Nov Sun>=1 2:00 0 S # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone America/Port-au-Prince -4:49:20 - LMT 1890 -4:49 - PPMT 1917 Jan 24 12:00 # P-a-P MT

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Gaza and West Bank starting DST on Friday
by Steffen Thorsen March 26, 2012

March 26, 2012

Lots of things happening recently... Palestinian news sources tell that both Gaza and West Bank will start DST on Friday (Thursday midnight, 2012-03-29 24:00). Some of many sources in Arabic: http://www.samanews.com/index.php?act=Show&id=122638 http://safa.ps/details/news/74352/%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%… Our brief summary: http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/gaza-west-bank-dst-2012.html And from Israel there is a confirmation on their start date too (same Friday) (Hebrew): http://www.moin.gov.il/PublicationsAndUsefullInfo/PressAnnouncements/Pages/… It seems they will work further on the new daylight saving time proposal, but nothing has been decided yet. Best regards, Steffen Thorsen - timeanddate.com

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Syria starts DST earlier
by Steffen Thorsen March 26, 2012

March 26, 2012

Today, Syria's government announced that they will start DST early on Friday (00:00). This is a bit earlier than the past two years. From Syrian Arab News Agency, in Arabic: http://www.sana.sy/ara/2/2012/03/26/408215.htm Our brief summary: http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/syria-dst-2012.html Best regards, Steffen Thorsen - timeanddate.com

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