February 2021 - tz - lists.iana.org

Re: [tz] Change Request: Europe/Kiev to Europe/Kyiv
by John Hawkinson March 18, 2022

March 18, 2022

I do not think we have handled this well; we have not given Victor Perov a good answer. Indeed, to some extent we've made it a "runaround." We can do better. We should take the time to write up a good lengthy explanation of the issues ("boilerplate"), because this a really important issue of concern to many people in the world and the project has indeed thought about it pretty carefully. Dismissing the inquiries because they are repetitive makes it seem like we haven't, and that unnecessarily upsets peopl. Victor Perev: I don't have time for a full write-up right now, but please consult the archives of the tz list (http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/ or perhaps https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amm.icann.org%2Fpipermail%2Ftz%2F+kyiv which returns 203 results). The tz project is very conservative in its judgment for when the predominant English spelling of a city has changed, and so far the project has judged that Kiev is still preferred. We discussed it when major English newspapers and style guides changed from Kiev to Kyiv last year (prompted by the US presidential impeachment, which lead to a lot of discussion about Kyiv in America), and we will probably continue to discuss it as time goes on. But we've thought about it and discussed it a lot. The answers you got don't explain that, and that means we have not done a good a job as we should have. Sorry about that. In particular, I think Brian Inglis's answer was actually incorrect in a way that really matters ("Kiev is the correct English spelling"). There are multiple correct English spellings. It used to be that Kiev was the only one, but Kyiv is gaining popularity more and more. Paul Eggert <eggert(a)cs.ucla.edu> wrote on Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 18:19:08 EDT in <cefc7f01-a3e9-f2a4-9ab9-5288147f994a(a)cs.ucla.edu>: > Thanks for bringing that to the mailing list (if I could shut off GitHub > pull requests I would). Although you cannot do so, we can handle them a little bit better. Please see https://docs.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-community/creating-a-pu… You can create a template that explains to a would-be pull request submitter than pull requests will be closed and the project uses the mailing list for development discussions. ("I understand that the tz project does not use pull requests on github, and that if I enter a pull request here, it will be closed and I will be directed to send email to tz(a)iana.org.") For the particular case of regular, recurring issues, it may be worth while to keep one of #15, #26, and #27 open and mark the others as a duplicate of it, so that it is easier for newcomers to understand that this issue has been carefully considered and is not a simple oversight. https://github.com/eggert/tz/pulls?q=kiev Also, not to pick on Brian (again), but if the project policy is not to use github pull requests, it's not great to respond to pull requests on their substance, because it bifurcates the discussion and makes it seem like we actually do use pull requests ("except when we don't"). So what seems like a helpful thing may not be. -- jhawk(a)alum.mit.edu John Hawkinson

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Italy April 1944 discrepancy between comment and data
by Alois Treindl Oct. 5, 2021

Oct. 5, 2021

For Italy in 1944 zone Europe/Rome there is a discrepancy between the comment and the data. comment: # From Paul Eggert (2016-10-27): # Go with INRiM for DST rules, except as corrected by Inglis for 1944 # for the Kingdom of Italy. This is consistent with Renzo Baldini. # Model Rome's occupation by using C-Eur rules from 1943-09-10 # to 1944-06-04; although Rome was an open city during this period, it # was effectively controlled by Germany. Data for Italy is Rule Italy 1944 only - Apr 2 2:00s 1:00 S Data for C-Eur is: Rule C-Eur 1944 1945 - Apr Mon>=1 2:00s 1:00 S where Mon>=1 in 1944 is April 3. So Rome is NOT following C-Eur. I think the rule for Itay is right, only the comment is misleading.

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FW: [Ext] The TZ Coordination
by Naela Sarras April 2, 2021

April 2, 2021

Dear Paul, Please see the note below from our colleagues in Morocco regarding the upcoming timezone change for Morocco. Best regards, Naela Naela Sarras Director, IANA Operations ICANN From: EL MAAYATI Afaf <afaf(a)anrt.ma> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 12:01 PM To: Naela Sarras <naela.sarras(a)iana.org> Cc: BENLEMLIH Hamida <benlemlih(a)anrt.ma> Subject: [Ext] The TZ Coordination Dear Naela, I hope this email finds you well, safe and healthy. Actually, I have a request concerning the configuration of the Time-Zone for Morocco. In the Database file: ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/tzdb-2020a/africa, it’s mentionned that a program will be running to implement the transition dates: [cid:image001.jpg@01D6342E.01C70B10] Currently we are implementing GMT and we will move to GMT+1 next Sunday, May 31. So, if possible, would you please help to get in touch with Mr. Paul Eggert, in order to have the procedure to notify IANA officially, from a governmental source, with the changes of TZ in Morocco. Thank you in advance for your feedback and for your habitual support. Best Regards, Afaf ________________________________ Ce message, son contenu et toutes les pièces jointes sont adressés à l'attention exclusive de leur (s) destinataire (s) et sont strictement confidentiels : ils relèvent de la correspondance privée. Toute publication, utilisation ou diffusion, même partielle, par des personnes autres que les destinataires est interdite et doit être autorisée par l'Agence Nationale de Règlementation des Télécommunications (ANRT, Royaume du Maroc). Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, nous vous prions de le détruire après en avoir informé son expéditeur sans délai. L’ANRT décline toute responsabilité pour toute altération, déformation ou falsification subi par le message et ses pièces jointes au cours de leur transmission. Retrouvez toutes les informations de l’ANRT sur son site Web à l’adresse suivante : http://www.anrt.ma. ________________________________ This message, its content and its attachments are intended for the exclusive use of the named addressee (s) and are strictly confidential. Any copy or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and should be authorized by the National Agency of Telecommunications Regulation (ANRT, Morocco). If you have received this communication in error, please delete the material and notify the sender. The ANRT accepts no liability for any alteration, distortion or falsification that may occur during the transmission of this message. All information about ANRT can be found on our website at the following address http://www.anrt.ma. ________________________________ إن هذه الرسالة ومحتواها ومرفقاتها موجهة خصيصا للشخص المرسل إليه وتعتبر سرية وتصنف ضمن خانة المراسلات ذات طبيعة شخصية. ويمنع منعا كليا نشر أو استعمال أو بث، ولو بطريقة جزئية، لهذه الرسالة من طرف أشخاص غير المرسل إليهم ما لم يتم الترخيص بذلك من طرف الوكالة الوطنية لتقنين المواصلات (المملكة المغربية. في حالة ما إذا توصلتم هذه الرسالة عن طريق الخطأ، يرجى منكم العمل على إتلافها فورا بعد إخبار الشخص المرسل إليه بذلك. ولا تتحمل الوكالة الوطنية لتقنين المواصلات أي مسؤولية عن أي تحريف أو تغيير أو تزييف قد يلحق بمحتوى الرسالة أو بمرفقاتها خلال عملية الإرسال. للمزيد من المعلومات، يرجى الاطلاع على الموقع الإلكتروني للوكالة الوطنية لتقنين المواصلات : http://www.anrt.ma.

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Some time zone history (3)
by P Chan March 3, 2021

March 3, 2021

Correction: > British Guiana/Guyana adopted GMT-4 on 1911-08-01, GMT-3:75 on 1915-03-01, GMT-3 on 1975-08-01 and GMT-4 on 1992-03-29. GMT-3:75 should be GMT-3:45 --------- Most of the documents below were obtained from British Online Archives and LLMC Digital. ---------- Barbados https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi3ioucfhJMcNlHr_?e=wjYyQa Definition of Time Act, 1911 (1911-7) [1911-08-28] Defence (Daylight Saving) Regulations, 1942, 1942-04-13 Defence (Daylight Saving) (Repeal) Regulations, 1942, 1942-08-22 Defence (Daylight Saving) Regulations, 1943, 1943-04-16 Defence (Daylight Saving) (Repeal) Regulations, 1943, 1943-09-01 Defence (Daylight Saving) Regulations, 1944, 1944-03-21 Defence (Daylight Saving) (Repeal) Regulations, 1944, 1944-04-30 Standard time of GMT-4 was adopted in 1911. DST was observed in 1942-44. The transitions were: 1942-04-19 05:00 GMT 1942-08-31 06:00 GMT 1943-05-02 05:00 GMT 1943-09-05 06:00 GMT 1944-04-09 05:00 GMT 1944-09-10 06:00 GMT --------- Gambia https://1drv.ms/f/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi0MbGvyuIXGge6Iq Interpretation Ordinance, 1914 (No. 12 of 1914) [1914-09-29] Interpretation Ordinance, 1933 (No. 10 of 1933) [1933-03-31] Notice No. 5 of 1942, Colony of the Gambia Government Gazette, Vol. LIX, No.2, 1942-01-15, p 2 Interpretation (Amendment) Ordinance, 1946 (No. 3 of 1946) [1946-07-15] Standard time of GMT-1 was adopted on 1933-04-01. On 1942-02-01, GMT was adopted as a war time measure. This was made permanent in 1946. --------- Malawi https://1drv.ms/f/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi0sbGvyuIXGge6Iq Interpretation and General Clauses Ordinance, 1911 (No. 12 of 1911) [1911-07-24] Notice No. 124 of 1914, 1914-06-30, The Nyasaland Government Gazette, Vol. XXI, No. 8, 1914-06-30, p 122 Interpretation and General Clauses (Amendment) Ordinance, 1925 (No. 3 of 1925) [1925-04-02] In 1911, Zomba mean time was adopted as the legal time of Nysaland. In 1914, Zomba mean time switched from GMT+2:21:10 to GMT+2:21. On 1925-07-01, GMT+2 was adopted. ---------- Nigeria https://1drv.ms/f/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi0cbGvyuIXGge6Iq Government notices for the transition in 1905 and 1908. Government Notice No. 427 of 1905, 1905-06-17, Government Gazette. Colony of Lagos, No. 32, 1905, 1905-06-21, p 395 Government Notice No. 742 of 1908, 1908-06-24, Government Gazette. Colony of Southern Nigeria, No. 44, Vol. 3, 1905-06-24, p 869 ---------- Sierra Leone https://1drv.ms/f/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi1EbGvyuIXGge6Iq Government Notice No. 121 of 1913 , 1913-06-06, Sierra Leone Royal Gazette, Vol. XLIV, No. 1384, 1913-06-14, p 347 Alteration of Time Ordinance, 1932 (No. 34 of 1932) [1932-12-01] Alteration of Time (Amendment) Ordinance, 1938 (No. 25 of 1938) [1938-11-24] Defence Regulations (No. 9), 1939 (Regulations No. 9 of 1939),1939-09-05 Defence Regulations (No. 11), 1939 (Regulations No. 11 of 1939), 1939-09-27 Defence (Amendment) (No.17) Regulations, 1941 (Public Notice No.157 of 1941), 1914-12-04 Alteration of Time (Amendment) Ordinance, 1946 (No. 2 of 1946) [1946-02-07] Standard time of GMT-1 was adopted on 1913-07-01. Twenty minutes of DST was introduce in 1932 and was suspended in 1939. In 1941, GMT was adopted by Defence Regulations. This was made permanent in 1946. For DST in 1957-62, I have looked through the gazettes from 1957 to 1961 but could not find any laws or notices related to DST. Also, the Local Time Ordinance (Cap 2, 1960 Revised Edition) <https://books.google.com/books?id=B-U-AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA18> does not contain any provisions related to DST. Proposed Rules: # Rule NAME FROM TO - IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule SL 1932 only - Dec 1 0:00 0:20 -0040 Rule SL 1933 1938 - Mar 31 24:00 0 -01 Rule SL 1933 1939 - Aug 31 24:00 0:20 -0040 Rule SL 1939 only - May 31 24:00 0 -01 Rule SL 1939 only - Sep 5 0:00 0 -01 Zone Africa/Freetown -0:53:00 - LMT 1882 -0:53:00 - FMT 1913 Jul 1 # Freetown Mean Time -1:00 SL %s 1941 Dec 6 24:00 0:00 - GMT

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zdump man page misleading?
by Martin Burnicki Feb. 26, 2021

Feb. 26, 2021

Hi, the zdump.8.txt file generated from the current github code says: -c [loyear,]hiyear ... Cutoffs are at the start of each year, where the lower-bound timestamp is *exclusive* and the upper is *inclusive*; for example, -c 1970,2070 selects transitions after 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC and on or before 2070-01-01 00:00:00 UTC. The default cutoff is -500,2500. and $ ./zdump -V -c 2021,2022 Europe/Berlin Europe/Berlin Sun Mar 28 00:59:59 2021 UT = Sun Mar 28 01:59:59 .. Europe/Berlin Sun Mar 28 01:00:00 2021 UT = Sun Mar 28 03:00:00 .. Europe/Berlin Sun Oct 31 00:59:59 2021 UT = Sun Oct 31 02:59:59 .. Europe/Berlin Sun Oct 31 01:00:00 2021 UT = Sun Oct 31 02:00:00 .. (lines shorted to avoid line-wrapping) So the lower year is *inclusive* and the upper year is *exclusive*, and from my understanding these words should be swapped in the text of the man page. Or am I missing something? If I'm correct, should I provide a patch or pull request for the git repo? Martin -- Martin Burnicki Senior Software Engineer MEINBERG Funkuhren GmbH & Co. KG Email: martin.burnicki(a)meinberg.de Phone: +49 5281 9309-414 Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinburnicki/ Lange Wand 9, 31812 Bad Pyrmont, Germany Amtsgericht Hannover 17HRA 100322 Geschäftsführer/Managing Directors: Günter Meinberg, Werner Meinberg, Andre Hartmann, Heiko Gerstung Websites: https://www.meinberg.de https://www.meinbergglobal.com Training: https://www.meinberg.academy

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time zones only ?
by William Karlsson Feb. 25, 2021

Feb. 25, 2021

Is there a simple way to compile only the timezones ? i.e. US/Central etc... No cities ? -- // Karlsson

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New IANA-timezone support date/time library
by Kerry Shetline Feb. 24, 2021

Feb. 24, 2021

I’ve just finished an extensive update of a JavaScript/TypeScript date/time library that I’d previously used only for my own astronomy website, skyviewcafe.com <http://skyviewcafe.com/>. I’ve done enough updates to this library now that it may be of interest to many other software developers, especially if they want to handle the odd edge cases that exist in timezone handling, like 47-hour days and missing days and the like. One unique features is that it's possible for users to get live updates of the tz database, which usually don’t become available to applications without, at the very least, restarting an application, if not rebooting one’s computer. Libraries in this category are hardly unique, but one of the most popular libraries, Moment.js, is being phased out, so this seemed to be to be a good time to introduce a new one. Among the (possible) unique features, you can do things like find the specific moments of DST transitions and other transitions, like UTC offset changes, and get descriptions of these changes, like this: new DateTime('2021-11-07', 'America/New_York').getDiscontinuityDuringDay() → { start: '02:00:00', end: '01:00:00', delta: -3600000 } // fall back! // As soon as it’s midnight on the 30th, it’s instantly midnight on the 31st, erasing 24 hours:<br> new DateTime('2011-12-30', 'Pacific/Apia').getDiscontinuityDuringDay()) → { start: '00:00:00', end: '24:00:00', delta: 86400000 } // As soon as it’s midnight on the 31th, turn back to 1AM on the 30th, adding 23 hours to the day:<br> new DateTime('1969-09-30', 'Pacific/Kwajalein').getDiscontinuityDuringDay() → { start: '24:00:00', end: '01:00:00', delta: -82800000 } My updated library can be found here: https://www.npmjs.com/package/@tubular/time <https://www.npmjs.com/package/@tubular/time> Besides the IANA timezone support, this library also features the ability to handle variable switch-over from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar, which can be of helpful to those handling historical dates.

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Re: [tz] Gratuitous optimization
by Paul Eggert Feb. 23, 2021

Feb. 23, 2021

Thanks, I installed your performance fix via the attached proposed patch. The performance bug seems to have been introduced by my commit 30364485a6fdc0333f48905db387e07abb70bac1 (2013-09-08) "Improve the support for perpetual DST" which first appeared in tzdb 2013e.

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Re: [tz] New IANA-timezone support date/time library
by Kerry Shetline Feb. 23, 2021

Feb. 23, 2021

On 2021-02-22, at 14:25, Paul Gilmartin <PaulGBoulder(a)AIM.com> wrote: > But the "Help" link (<https://skyviewcafe.com/help/>) fails with 404. The “Help” link is working now, so I’m not sure what the issue was at the time you clicked on it. > I don't know whether you've followed the "Kiev"/"Kyiv" debate on tz(a)iana.org. > But I was curious what skyviewcafe.com does about it. I read a little of that, but haven’t followed it. At least the pronunciation of Kyiv isn’t an issue! ;) My geographic data base finds the Ukrainian capital by either spelling, so that’s not a problem. I’m not sure if showing “Europe/Kyiv” in my interface would be confusing or not, since that’s not the existing IANA name for the associated timezone. Users are generally expected to click “Find”, and find cities by name, thus getting longitude, latitude, and timezone automatically without fussing with a manual selection, so the IANA names aren’t quite so important. I also intend to update my manual interface to make timezone selections by standard UTC offset, and then a list of zones in that offset, as the default way to make a manual timezone selection, with region/zone being a secondary option. > I tried to enter > "50°25'N 30°31'E". I learned: > o It's tedious to enter such coordinates digit-by-digit. > o I found no way to refresh the page with the coordinates entered. It’s definitely tedious compared to just looking up a city and getting lat/long automatically. But if one wants to enter info manually, I’m curious what you’d prefer as a means of input. The manual entry field also supports rolling digits up and down, which is a fun way to explore how the sky changes as you change latitude and longitude. > Tz, trying to pivot away from the debate, says that internal directory > and filenames should not be obvious to users. Thus, applications should > not show me "America", "Denver", or "Kiev”. I hadn’t really thought of those names like “America/New_York” as file names, but as names for timezones as abstract timezone entities. In fact, there is no “America/New_York” file in the tzdb. There’s a file named “northamerica”, and inside that file, a zone entry named "America/New_York”. Perhaps that’s still something a bit too rawly technical to be considered user-friendly, however. -Kerrt

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[PATCH 1/5] Don't cite Howse where no longer used
by Paul Eggert Feb. 23, 2021

Feb. 23, 2021

--- africa | 3 --- asia | 3 --- 2 files changed, 6 deletions(-) diff --git a/africa b/africa index 28168cf..fca9af7 100644 --- a/africa +++ b/africa @@ -30,9 +30,6 @@ # Milne J. Civil time. Geogr J. 1899 Feb;13(2):173-94. # https://www.jstor.org/stable/1774359 # -# A reliable and entertaining source about time zones is -# Derek Howse, Greenwich time and longitude, Philip Wilson Publishers (1997). -# # European-style abbreviations are commonly used along the Mediterranean. # For sub-Saharan Africa abbreviations were less standardized. # Previous editions of this database used WAT, CAT, SAT, and EAT diff --git a/asia b/asia index ed94413..ac7def8 100644 --- a/asia +++ b/asia @@ -34,9 +34,6 @@ # Byalokoz EL. New Counting of Time in Russia since July 1, 1919. # (See the 'europe' file for a fuller citation.) # -# A reliable and entertaining source about time zones is -# Derek Howse, Greenwich time and longitude, Philip Wilson Publishers (1997). -# # The following alphabetic abbreviations appear in these tables # (corrections are welcome): # std dst -- 2.27.0

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