October 2023 - tz - lists.iana.org

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by Cool Gab19 05 Sep '24

05 Sep '24

can you add Philippine Daylight Time on your Database I think it was missing from the list of the time zones please reply immediately if solved thanks...

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Re: [tz] Time for a Lunar time zone? -Brooks
by Paul Eggert 11 Jul '24

11 Jul '24

On 3/2/23 09:51, Brooks Harris wrote: > Will we need DST on the Moon? :-) I hope not! The Moon's axis tilts only 1.5°, much less than the 23.5° of Earth's axis, so seasonal effects on sunlight duration are much less intense on the Moon and there should be less need for Earth-like DST. A more pressing issue is that the length of day (including daytime and nighttime) varies more on the Moon. Local Earth days vary by at most 0.008 hours from the mean of 24 hours (this variation is due to the eccentricity of the Earth orbit and the obliquity of the ecliptic). So people who think that every local Earth day is exactly 24 hours are not far off. Local lunar days, in contrast, are roughly 29.5 ± 0.25 Earth days (again, this includes both lunar daytime and lunar nighttime). That's more slop to deal with, relatively speaking, and dealing with varying-length days could be a bit of a problem for civil time on the Moon. Presumably ESA's boffins are on top of this.....

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Ministry of Digital Development and Communications, the Government of Mongolia
by fr 07 Jan '24

07 Jan '24

Dear Sir/Ma'am, As we sent an inquiry regarding the switching time to the regular summer time matter earlier, could you please provide us some recommendations on below. The Government of Mongolia is planning to switch to the regular summer time from 22-26 March, 2024. Currently, the discussions are made within the Government as well as at the Parliament. We expect that final decision will be made in the October. Therefore, is it possible to arrange the switching process in the next 5 months? Is there any extraordinary cases like us or not? Or shall we make our changes in the September 2024? Thank you for your kind consideration in advance and hope to hear from you soon. Sincerely, Ms. Ariuntuul --- Foreign Cooperation Division Ministry of Digital Development and Communications The Government of Mongolia Tel: +976 51 260636 www.mddc.gov.mn

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Did Greenland abolish daylight saving from 2024 on?
by Paul Eggert 20 Nov '23

20 Nov '23

This week several English-language news sources reported that Greenland has moved its clocks forward for the last time. These reports disagree with current TZDB[1], which follows Thomas M. Steenholdt's December email[2] saying that although in November Greenlanders voted to not fall back this fall, they also voted to continue to observe daylight saving time (DST) next year, effectively moving their time zone one hour east instead of abolishing DST. There's no disagreement about timekeeping this year. The first point of disagreement is March 30, 2024 at 23:00, when TZDB says Nuuk, Greenland will spring forward to 24:00, whereas the recent news reports say clocks will neither spring forward nor fall back during 2024. So who's right: Steenholdt in December, or these several recent news reports? Currently TZDB goes with Steenholdt. After all, he cited the relevant Greenland legislation and his email address ends in ".gl". I suppose another possibility, though, is that Greenland's government has changed its mind since November. However, if so I'd like to see citations to the newer legislation. The earliest recent news story I found on this topic was a week ago by Lebawit Lily Girma[3], senior travel news reporter for Bloomberg Pursuits. I'm taking the liberty of bcc'ing Girma to see if she can help get to the bottom of the situation. [1]: https://iana.org/tz [2]: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2022-December/032402.html [3]: Girma LL. Greenland Solves the Daylight Saving Time Debate. Bloomberg. 2023-03-24. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-24/greenland-keeps-daylight… Here are some of the other news reports I found. Greenland to stay in daylight saving time forever. AP. 2023-03-27. https://apnews.com/article/greenland-daylight-saving-summertime-utc-gmt-3b5… Martin M. Greenland is keeping daylight saving time permanently. NPR. 2023-03-28. https://www.wunc.org/2023-03-28/greenland-is-keeping-daylight-saving-time-p… Selcho M. Here’s why Greenland is permanently keeping daylight saving time. Deseret News. 2023-03-28. https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2023/3/28/23660379/why-greenland-keeping-… Jerusalem Post staff. Greenland changed their clocks to daylight savings for the last time. Jerusalem Post. 2023-03-29. https://www.jpost.com/international/article-735751 Carpineti A. Greenland Has Changed Its Clocks For The Last Time, Embracing Daylight Savings Forever. IFLScience. 2023-03-29. https://www.iflscience.com/greenland-has-changed-its-clocks-for-the-last-ti…

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[PROPOSED] Ittoqqortoormiit (America/Scoresbysund) zone change
by Paul Eggert 29 Oct '23

29 Oct '23

* NEWS: Mention this. * europe (America/Scoresbysund): Switch to -02/-01 on 2024-03-31. --- NEWS | 8 ++++++++ europe | 14 +++++++++++++- 2 files changed, 21 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS index 9a085948..e5ead4cf 100644 --- a/NEWS +++ b/NEWS @@ -3,10 +3,18 @@ News for the tz database Unreleased, experimental changes Briefly: + Ittoqqortoormiit, Greenland changes time zones on 2024-03-31. Code and data fixes for Palestine timestamps starting in 2072. Changes to future timestamps + Ittoqqortoormiit, Greenland (America/Scoresbysund) joins most of + the rest of Greenland's timekeeping practice on 2024-03-31, by + changing its time zone from -01/+00 to -02/-01 at the same moment + as the spring-forward transition. Its clocks will therefore not + spring forward as previously scheduled. The time zone change + reverts to its common practice before 1981. + Fix predictions for DST transitions in Palestine in 2072-2075, correcting a typo introduced in 2023a. diff --git a/europe b/europe index 012d1498..6e59f62d 100644 --- a/europe +++ b/europe @@ -1130,6 +1130,17 @@ Zone Atlantic/Faroe -0:27:04 - LMT 1908 Jan 11 # Tórshavn # However, Greenland will change to Daylight Saving Time again in 2024 # and onwards. +# From an contributor who wishes to remain anonymous for now (2023-10-29): +# https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/i-nat-skal-uret-stilles-en-time-tilbage-m… +# with a link to that page: +# https://naalakkersuisut.gl/Nyheder/2023/10/2710_sommertid +# ... Ittoqqortoormiit joins the time of Nuuk at March 2024. +# What would mean that America/Scoresbysund would either be in -01 year round +# or in -02/-01 like America/Nuuk, but no longer in -01/+00. +# +# From Paul Eggert (2023-10-29): +# For now, assume it will be like America/Nuuk. + # Rule NAME FROM TO - IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule Thule 1991 1992 - Mar lastSun 2:00 1:00 D Rule Thule 1991 1992 - Sep lastSun 2:00 0 S @@ -1149,7 +1160,8 @@ Zone America/Danmarkshavn -1:14:40 - LMT 1916 Jul 28 Zone America/Scoresbysund -1:27:52 - LMT 1916 Jul 28 # Ittoqqortoormiit -2:00 - -02 1980 Apr 6 2:00 -2:00 C-Eur -02/-01 1981 Mar 29 - -1:00 EU -01/+00 + -1:00 EU -01/+00 2024 Mar 31 + -2:00 EU -02/-01 Zone America/Nuuk -3:26:56 - LMT 1916 Jul 28 # Godthåb -3:00 - -03 1980 Apr 6 2:00 -3:00 EU -03/-02 2023 Mar 26 1:00u -- 2.39.2

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Y2K & T2G in the news
by Arthur David Olson 29 Oct '23

29 Oct '23

"Y2K bug was real and could have killed says man who found it — here’s when it could hit again" https://nypost.com/2023/10/28/lifestyle/y2k-bug-could-have-killed-heres-whe… @dashdashado

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UNIX epoch on X/Twitter
by Arthur David Olson 26 Oct '23

26 Oct '23

A presumably unintended appearance: https://twitter.com/Seth4MC/status/1717535728958062678 @dashdashado

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Invalid POSIX TZ strings in generated TZif files
by Jacob Pratt 26 Oct '23

26 Oct '23

The format for POSIX TZ strings is defined here: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap08.html#ta… I will note two things from this specification: - The hour shall be between zero and 24 - The *time* has the same format as *offset* except that no leading sign ( '-' or '+' ) is allowed There are four time zones that violate these requirements. - Asia/Gaza has DST transitions that occur 50 hours after midnight (both start and end). - Likewise for Asia/Hebron. - Asia/Jerusalem has a DST transition that begins 26 hours after midnight. - America/Nuuk has a DST transition that begins -1 hours after midnight (not a typo). Violating the first requirement is unspecified behavior, and violating the second is simply not allowed. I ran across these situations while testing a parser for TZif files that I wrote. While the desired behavior is clear, it is also the case that Gaza, Hebron, and Jerusalem rely on unspecified behavior and Nuuk should never parse successfully. Both of these are far from ideal, of course. I'm not entirely certain what can be done here, as the POSIX format is incapable of handling situations like this at first glance. Jacob Pratt

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Re: [tz] Electric Pressure Cooker&Induction Cooker Distributor Needed
by alan＠zsalan.com 23 Oct '23

23 Oct '23

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Hard copy of TZdata2023?
by natyaveda 22 Oct '23

22 Oct '23

Hey, are you aware of any printable or hard copy (paper) publications of your Time-Zone database in a complete or semi-complete form? Perhaps this has been produced by someone in the astrology community? I'm basically looking to see if its possible to get the rights to include parts of such a publication in a publication of my own. I doubt one exists that includes all the info for every city in the world in a single publication, but I'm looking to see if it does and how large it might be. What I have in mind is something that lists information pretty much exactly as its presented in the tables for the "Detailed time zone and clock changes" available on timeanddate.com (minus everything outside the tables): https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zone/canada/vancouver Thanks for any info you can provide! -James Foyle

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