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Re: [tz] Change Request: Europe/Kiev to Europe/Kyiv
by John Hawkinson March 18, 2022

March 18, 2022

I do not think we have handled this well; we have not given Victor Perov a good answer. Indeed, to some extent we've made it a "runaround." We can do better. We should take the time to write up a good lengthy explanation of the issues ("boilerplate"), because this a really important issue of concern to many people in the world and the project has indeed thought about it pretty carefully. Dismissing the inquiries because they are repetitive makes it seem like we haven't, and that unnecessarily upsets peopl. Victor Perev: I don't have time for a full write-up right now, but please consult the archives of the tz list (http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/ or perhaps https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Amm.icann.org%2Fpipermail%2Ftz%2F+kyiv which returns 203 results). The tz project is very conservative in its judgment for when the predominant English spelling of a city has changed, and so far the project has judged that Kiev is still preferred. We discussed it when major English newspapers and style guides changed from Kiev to Kyiv last year (prompted by the US presidential impeachment, which lead to a lot of discussion about Kyiv in America), and we will probably continue to discuss it as time goes on. But we've thought about it and discussed it a lot. The answers you got don't explain that, and that means we have not done a good a job as we should have. Sorry about that. In particular, I think Brian Inglis's answer was actually incorrect in a way that really matters ("Kiev is the correct English spelling"). There are multiple correct English spellings. It used to be that Kiev was the only one, but Kyiv is gaining popularity more and more. Paul Eggert <eggert(a)cs.ucla.edu> wrote on Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 18:19:08 EDT in <cefc7f01-a3e9-f2a4-9ab9-5288147f994a(a)cs.ucla.edu>: > Thanks for bringing that to the mailing list (if I could shut off GitHub > pull requests I would). Although you cannot do so, we can handle them a little bit better. Please see https://docs.github.com/en/github/building-a-strong-community/creating-a-pu… You can create a template that explains to a would-be pull request submitter than pull requests will be closed and the project uses the mailing list for development discussions. ("I understand that the tz project does not use pull requests on github, and that if I enter a pull request here, it will be closed and I will be directed to send email to tz(a)iana.org.") For the particular case of regular, recurring issues, it may be worth while to keep one of #15, #26, and #27 open and mark the others as a duplicate of it, so that it is easier for newcomers to understand that this issue has been carefully considered and is not a simple oversight. https://github.com/eggert/tz/pulls?q=kiev Also, not to pick on Brian (again), but if the project policy is not to use github pull requests, it's not great to respond to pull requests on their substance, because it bifurcates the discussion and makes it seem like we actually do use pull requests ("except when we don't"). So what seems like a helpful thing may not be. -- jhawk(a)alum.mit.edu John Hawkinson

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Italy April 1944 discrepancy between comment and data
by Alois Treindl Oct. 5, 2021

Oct. 5, 2021

For Italy in 1944 zone Europe/Rome there is a discrepancy between the comment and the data. comment: # From Paul Eggert (2016-10-27): # Go with INRiM for DST rules, except as corrected by Inglis for 1944 # for the Kingdom of Italy. This is consistent with Renzo Baldini. # Model Rome's occupation by using C-Eur rules from 1943-09-10 # to 1944-06-04; although Rome was an open city during this period, it # was effectively controlled by Germany. Data for Italy is Rule Italy 1944 only - Apr 2 2:00s 1:00 S Data for C-Eur is: Rule C-Eur 1944 1945 - Apr Mon>=1 2:00s 1:00 S where Mon>=1 in 1944 is April 3. So Rome is NOT following C-Eur. I think the rule for Itay is right, only the comment is misleading.

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FW: [Ext] The TZ Coordination
by Naela Sarras April 2, 2021

April 2, 2021

Dear Paul, Please see the note below from our colleagues in Morocco regarding the upcoming timezone change for Morocco. Best regards, Naela Naela Sarras Director, IANA Operations ICANN From: EL MAAYATI Afaf <afaf(a)anrt.ma> Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 12:01 PM To: Naela Sarras <naela.sarras(a)iana.org> Cc: BENLEMLIH Hamida <benlemlih(a)anrt.ma> Subject: [Ext] The TZ Coordination Dear Naela, I hope this email finds you well, safe and healthy. Actually, I have a request concerning the configuration of the Time-Zone for Morocco. In the Database file: ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/tzdb-2020a/africa, it’s mentionned that a program will be running to implement the transition dates: [cid:image001.jpg@01D6342E.01C70B10] Currently we are implementing GMT and we will move to GMT+1 next Sunday, May 31. So, if possible, would you please help to get in touch with Mr. Paul Eggert, in order to have the procedure to notify IANA officially, from a governmental source, with the changes of TZ in Morocco. Thank you in advance for your feedback and for your habitual support. Best Regards, Afaf ________________________________ Ce message, son contenu et toutes les pièces jointes sont adressés à l'attention exclusive de leur (s) destinataire (s) et sont strictement confidentiels : ils relèvent de la correspondance privée. Toute publication, utilisation ou diffusion, même partielle, par des personnes autres que les destinataires est interdite et doit être autorisée par l'Agence Nationale de Règlementation des Télécommunications (ANRT, Royaume du Maroc). Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, nous vous prions de le détruire après en avoir informé son expéditeur sans délai. L’ANRT décline toute responsabilité pour toute altération, déformation ou falsification subi par le message et ses pièces jointes au cours de leur transmission. Retrouvez toutes les informations de l’ANRT sur son site Web à l’adresse suivante : http://www.anrt.ma. ________________________________ This message, its content and its attachments are intended for the exclusive use of the named addressee (s) and are strictly confidential. Any copy or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited and should be authorized by the National Agency of Telecommunications Regulation (ANRT, Morocco). If you have received this communication in error, please delete the material and notify the sender. The ANRT accepts no liability for any alteration, distortion or falsification that may occur during the transmission of this message. All information about ANRT can be found on our website at the following address http://www.anrt.ma. ________________________________ إن هذه الرسالة ومحتواها ومرفقاتها موجهة خصيصا للشخص المرسل إليه وتعتبر سرية وتصنف ضمن خانة المراسلات ذات طبيعة شخصية. ويمنع منعا كليا نشر أو استعمال أو بث، ولو بطريقة جزئية، لهذه الرسالة من طرف أشخاص غير المرسل إليهم ما لم يتم الترخيص بذلك من طرف الوكالة الوطنية لتقنين المواصلات (المملكة المغربية. في حالة ما إذا توصلتم هذه الرسالة عن طريق الخطأ، يرجى منكم العمل على إتلافها فورا بعد إخبار الشخص المرسل إليه بذلك. ولا تتحمل الوكالة الوطنية لتقنين المواصلات أي مسؤولية عن أي تحريف أو تغيير أو تزييف قد يلحق بمحتوى الرسالة أو بمرفقاتها خلال عملية الإرسال. للمزيد من المعلومات، يرجى الاطلاع على الموقع الإلكتروني للوكالة الوطنية لتقنين المواصلات : http://www.anrt.ma.

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Some time zone history (3)
by P Chan March 2, 2021

March 2, 2021

Correction: > British Guiana/Guyana adopted GMT-4 on 1911-08-01, GMT-3:75 on 1915-03-01, GMT-3 on 1975-08-01 and GMT-4 on 1992-03-29. GMT-3:75 should be GMT-3:45 --------- Most of the documents below were obtained from British Online Archives and LLMC Digital. ---------- Barbados https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi3ioucfhJMcNlHr_?e=wjYyQa Definition of Time Act, 1911 (1911-7) [1911-08-28] Defence (Daylight Saving) Regulations, 1942, 1942-04-13 Defence (Daylight Saving) (Repeal) Regulations, 1942, 1942-08-22 Defence (Daylight Saving) Regulations, 1943, 1943-04-16 Defence (Daylight Saving) (Repeal) Regulations, 1943, 1943-09-01 Defence (Daylight Saving) Regulations, 1944, 1944-03-21 Defence (Daylight Saving) (Repeal) Regulations, 1944, 1944-04-30 Standard time of GMT-4 was adopted in 1911. DST was observed in 1942-44. The transitions were: 1942-04-19 05:00 GMT 1942-08-31 06:00 GMT 1943-05-02 05:00 GMT 1943-09-05 06:00 GMT 1944-04-09 05:00 GMT 1944-09-10 06:00 GMT --------- Gambia https://1drv.ms/f/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi0MbGvyuIXGge6Iq Interpretation Ordinance, 1914 (No. 12 of 1914) [1914-09-29] Interpretation Ordinance, 1933 (No. 10 of 1933) [1933-03-31] Notice No. 5 of 1942, Colony of the Gambia Government Gazette, Vol. LIX, No.2, 1942-01-15, p 2 Interpretation (Amendment) Ordinance, 1946 (No. 3 of 1946) [1946-07-15] Standard time of GMT-1 was adopted on 1933-04-01. On 1942-02-01, GMT was adopted as a war time measure. This was made permanent in 1946. --------- Malawi https://1drv.ms/f/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi0sbGvyuIXGge6Iq Interpretation and General Clauses Ordinance, 1911 (No. 12 of 1911) [1911-07-24] Notice No. 124 of 1914, 1914-06-30, The Nyasaland Government Gazette, Vol. XXI, No. 8, 1914-06-30, p 122 Interpretation and General Clauses (Amendment) Ordinance, 1925 (No. 3 of 1925) [1925-04-02] In 1911, Zomba mean time was adopted as the legal time of Nysaland. In 1914, Zomba mean time switched from GMT+2:21:10 to GMT+2:21. On 1925-07-01, GMT+2 was adopted. ---------- Nigeria https://1drv.ms/f/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi0cbGvyuIXGge6Iq Government notices for the transition in 1905 and 1908. Government Notice No. 427 of 1905, 1905-06-17, Government Gazette. Colony of Lagos, No. 32, 1905, 1905-06-21, p 395 Government Notice No. 742 of 1908, 1908-06-24, Government Gazette. Colony of Southern Nigeria, No. 44, Vol. 3, 1905-06-24, p 869 ---------- Sierra Leone https://1drv.ms/f/s!AgX5Bc6Y-VsIi1EbGvyuIXGge6Iq Government Notice No. 121 of 1913 , 1913-06-06, Sierra Leone Royal Gazette, Vol. XLIV, No. 1384, 1913-06-14, p 347 Alteration of Time Ordinance, 1932 (No. 34 of 1932) [1932-12-01] Alteration of Time (Amendment) Ordinance, 1938 (No. 25 of 1938) [1938-11-24] Defence Regulations (No. 9), 1939 (Regulations No. 9 of 1939),1939-09-05 Defence Regulations (No. 11), 1939 (Regulations No. 11 of 1939), 1939-09-27 Defence (Amendment) (No.17) Regulations, 1941 (Public Notice No.157 of 1941), 1914-12-04 Alteration of Time (Amendment) Ordinance, 1946 (No. 2 of 1946) [1946-02-07] Standard time of GMT-1 was adopted on 1913-07-01. Twenty minutes of DST was introduce in 1932 and was suspended in 1939. In 1941, GMT was adopted by Defence Regulations. This was made permanent in 1946. For DST in 1957-62, I have looked through the gazettes from 1957 to 1961 but could not find any laws or notices related to DST. Also, the Local Time Ordinance (Cap 2, 1960 Revised Edition) <https://books.google.com/books?id=B-U-AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA18> does not contain any provisions related to DST. Proposed Rules: # Rule NAME FROM TO - IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule SL 1932 only - Dec 1 0:00 0:20 -0040 Rule SL 1933 1938 - Mar 31 24:00 0 -01 Rule SL 1933 1939 - Aug 31 24:00 0:20 -0040 Rule SL 1939 only - May 31 24:00 0 -01 Rule SL 1939 only - Sep 5 0:00 0 -01 Zone Africa/Freetown -0:53:00 - LMT 1882 -0:53:00 - FMT 1913 Jul 1 # Freetown Mean Time -1:00 SL %s 1941 Dec 6 24:00 0:00 - GMT

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Some time zone history (2)
by P Chan Feb. 20, 2021

Feb. 20, 2021

Bahamas There were two periods of DST observed in 1941-1945: 1941-05-01 midnight to 1944-12-31 and 1945-02-01 to 1945-10-17 midnight. War Time Order 1942 [1942-05-01] and War Time (No. 2) Order 1942 [1942-09-29] Appendix to the Statutes of 7 George VI. and the Year 1942. p 34, 43 https://books.google.com/books?id=5rlNAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA3-PA34 https://books.google.com/books?id=5rlNAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA3-PA43 War Time Order 1943 [1943-03-31] and War Time Order 1944 [1943-12-29] Appendix to the Statutes of 8 George VI. and the Year 1943. p 9-10, 28-29 https://books.google.com/books?id=5rlNAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA4-PA9 https://books.google.com/books?id=5rlNAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA4-PA28 War Time Order 1945 [1945-01-31] and the Order which revoke War Time Order 1945 [1945-10-16] Appendix to the Statutes of 9 George VI. and the Year 1945. p 160, 247-248 https://books.google.com/books?id=5rlNAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA6-PA160 https://books.google.com/books?id=5rlNAQAAIAAJ&pg=RA6-PA247 ---------- Guyana British Guiana/Guyana adopted GMT-4 on 1911-08-01 , GMT-3:75 on 1915-03-01, GMT-3 on 1975-08-01 and GMT-4 on 1992-03-29. The Official Gazette of British Guiana. (New Series.) Vol. XL. July to December, 1915, p 1547 https://books.google.com/books?id=5-5CAQAAMAAJ&pg=SA1-PA547 Interpretation and general clauses (Amendment) Act 1975 (Act No. 27 of 1975) [1975-07-31] https://parliament.gov.gy/documents/acts/10923-act_no._27_of_1975_-_interpr… Interpretation and general clauses (Amendment) Act 1992 (Act No. 6 of 1992) [1992-04-18] https://parliament.gov.gy/documents/acts/5885-6_of_1992_interpretation_and_… Circular No. 10/1992 dated 1992-03-30 https://dps.gov.gy/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/1992-03-20-Circular-010.pdf ---------- Nigeria On 1914-01-01, standard time of GMT+0:30 was adopted for the unified Nigeria. Colonial Reports - Annual. No. 878. Nigeria. Report for 1914. (April 1916), p 27 https://libsysdigi.library.illinois.edu/ilharvest/Africana/Books2011-05/306… Interpretation Ordinance, 1914 (No. 4 of 1914) [1914-10-01] https://books.google.com.hk/books?id=mm5CAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA172 In 1919, standard time was changed to GMT+1. Interpretation Ordinance (Cap 2) The Laws of Nigeria, Containing the Ordinances of Nigeria, in Force on the 1st Day of January, 1923, Vol.I p 5-18 https://books.google.com.hk/books?id=BOMrAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA16 For the standard time used in Lagos before 1914, the Interpretation Ordinance of Southern Nigeria, 1908 revised edition defined “Time” to mean Greenwich time. That section was originated from Proclamation No. 11 of 1905 of the Protectorate of Southern Nigeria. But the Colony of Lagos was not merged into Southern Nigeria until May 1906. Moreover, the 1906 Report of Southern Nigeria says “all laws in force in any part of the territory prior to the commencement of the new system of government shall continue in force until further provision is made by the local legislature.” Lloyd's Register of Shipping (1915) says “Hitherto the time observed in Lagos was the local mean time. On 1st January, 1914, standard time for the whole of Nigeria was introduced … Lagos time has been advanced about 16 minutes accordingly.” Therefore it is possible that no standard time was adopted in Lagos until 1914. Interpretation Ordinance (Cap 2) Laws of the Colony of Southern Nigeria : being the schedule to the Statute laws revision ordinance, 1908, Vol.I, p 3-11 https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.35112105426037&view=1up&seq=61 Colonial Reports - Annual. No. 554. Southern Nigeria. Report for 1906. (February 1908), p 43 https://libsysdigi.library.illinois.edu/ilharvest/Africana/Books2011-05/306… Lloyd's Register of Shipping. 1915-16. Vol. II.-Appendix. ,p 655 https://books.google.com/books?id=b_ROAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA655 ---------- Seychelles Standard Time was adopted on 1907-01-01. Standard Time Ordinance (Chapter 237) The Laws of Seychelles in Force on the 31st December, 1971, Vol. 6, p 571 https://books.google.com/books?id=efE-AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA571 ---------- Turks and Caicos Islands Standard Time Declaration Order 2015 (L.N. 15/2015) http://online.fliphtml5.com/fizd/czin/#p=2 Standard Time Declaration Order 2017 (L.N. 31/2017) http://online.fliphtml5.com/fizd/dmcu/#p=2 ---------- Vanuatu DST was observed in 1973/1974. The spring forward in 1984 should be on Sep 23. Joint Daylight Saving Regulation No 59 of 1973 New Hebrides Condominium Gazette No 336. December 1973 http://www.paclii.org/vu/other/VUNHGovGaz//1973/11.pdf#page=15 Joint Daylight Saving (Repeal) Regulation No 10 of 1974 New Hebrides Condominium Gazette No 336. March 1974 http://www.paclii.org/vu/other/VUNHGovGaz//1974/3.pdf#page=11 Summer Time Act No. 35 of 1982 [1983-09-01] http://www.paclii.org/vu/other/VUGovGaz/1982/32.pdf#page=48 Summer Time Act (Cap 157) Laws of the Republic of Vanuatu Revised Edition 1988 http://www.paclii.org/cgi-bin/sinodisp/vu/legis/consol_act1988/sta147/sta14… Summer Time (Amendment) Act No. 6 of 1991 [1991-11-11] http://www.paclii.org/vu/legis/num_act/sta1991227/ Summer Time (Repeal) Act No. 4 of 1993 [1993-05-03] http://www.paclii.org/vu/other/VUGovGaz/1993/15.pdf#page=59

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Fwd: Timezone issue
by Yaroslav Bilko Feb. 5, 2021

Feb. 5, 2021

Hi, hope you're doing great! I've noticed some libraries use quite an irrelevant name for the capital of Ukraine: "Timezone: Europe/Kiev". And it comes from TZDB. C'mon lads, everybody in the whole civilized world knows that Kiev is wrong but you use it for some reason (only bloody russians talk like this and without any permission from our country (ukrainians), they push that name just because they want conquer our country and erase ukrainnian culture and you help them to achieve this goal!), the only one official name of this city is Kyiv! Yes, many people say "Kiev" even in Ukraine, but their number is getting down very fast. People start to figure it out. And the most important thing - they use it in non-public conversations. In all public places all information must be written Ukrainian (sometimes dubbing with English and that's it). It is protected by the law ( https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/2704-19#Text) All Latin transliteration of our cities written in this law: https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/z0957-14#Text [image: image.png] No Kiev as you can see. Only Kyiv. Soviet name "Kiev" disappeared 30 years ago. There's no need to exhume this corpse from the grave. Ukraine started a official campaign ( https://mfa.gov.ua/news/67521-correctua-mzs-ukrajini-zvertajetysya-do-svitu… ) some time ago to show other countries and mass media that Kyiv is only one true name. Even Google accepted it and maps show the correct name. That hit me and my friends and colleagues right in a heart! We hope you find some time to fix this little typo, but this is little only for first look! Hope for your care.

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Re: [tz] CCTF survey on Time and Frequency Metrology - Telecom
by Hal Murray Feb. 1, 2021

Feb. 1, 2021

Brian.Inglis(a)SystematicSw.ab.ca said: > My reply suggested they divorce the time scales to allow business systems to > use approximate POSIX like common law legal solar time as they ignore leap > seconds one way or another; allow scientific systems to use atomic time and > ignore legal solar time; and just ignore the ITU as broadcast radio time > signals (DCF/JJY/MSF/WWV/B/H) are unavailable most places, may need > equipment no longer commonly available, and too low accuracy for modern > needs; other commonly available sources are delayed to uselessness by > digital processing. Could you please say more about the "delayed to uselessness"? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.

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How can I add a new time zone: 'America/Joao Pessoa'?
by Fabrício Cabral Jan. 31, 2021

Jan. 31, 2021

Hi all! How can I add a new time zone? I'd like add 'America/Joao Pessoa'. Joao Pessoa[1] is the capital of Paraiba state, in Brazil. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo%C3%A3o_Pessoa,_Para%C3%ADba Best Regards, -- --fx

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Re: [tz] South Sudan to change time zone?
by Chris Hill Jan. 29, 2021

Jan. 29, 2021

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 19:04, Paul Eggert <eggert at cs.ucla.edu> wrote: > > This article says the change will take place at "midnight, February 1": > > > > http://southsudan24news.com/south-sudan-change-its-time-zone-in-february-1-… > > The version I now see says, "The change will occur at 00:00 (midnight) > on February 1, when clocks will be set back 1 hour to 23:00 (11:00 pm)." > This is a bit confusing, because if the change is indeed at 00:00 on > February 1, the quoted text should have ended in "23:00 (11:00 pm) the > previous day" to avoid confusion. > > Perhaps the official announcement (if one is made and someone can > .provide it) will be less confusing. The official announcement (accessible without a Facebook account at https://www.facebook.com/www.motps.goss.org/videos/3770463003014509/ concurs with this: 08:23 'So, from the 1st of February, we are going back to our actual Greenwich Mean Time. We are going back to our local zone, of 2 hours' difference between Greenwich Mean Time, which is the zero hour, and our local time which will be 2 hours, which will be Greenwich Mean Time plus 2 hours' 09:43 'On the 31st, and the morning starts, that morning will not start at 12, but when it is 12 midnight of the 31st of January, it will be 11 o'clock. And you continue like that... Our 12 midnight of the 31st January will repeat itself; it will be 11, and then you go again for 12 midnight. That is when it becomes according to our time now.' We're based in South Sudan so was keen to get this right. Hope it helps. Kind regards, -- Chris Hill IT Officer Mission Aviation Fellowship International T +44 (0)1233 895517 F +44 (0)1233 895570 Operations Centre, Henwood, Ashford, Kent TN24 8DH Mission Aviation Fellowship International. A company Limited by guarantee, registered in England & Wales Registered Charity Number: 1058226. Registered Company Number: 3144199. Registered Office: Operations Centre, Henwood, Ashford, Kent TN24 8DH https://www.mafint.org/ "NOTICE: Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This email (and any attachment) is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, forward, copy, print or retain this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender before deleting it from your computer system. Email transmissions may not be completely secure, may be intercepted or corrupted and may arrive late or not at all. The sender accepts no liability for viruses and we recommend that you scan all emails for viruses before opening them. For more information please contact dataprotection(a)mafint.org<mailto:dataprotection@mafint.org>. To view our Privacy Notice click Here<https://www.mafint.org/privacy-notice.html>. To view our Terms and Conditions click Here<https://www.mafint.org/terms-and-conditions.html>."

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Old London Meridian
by Tim Jacobs Jan. 29, 2021

Jan. 29, 2021

Lines 106 to 125 of tz/europe mention the old meridian before Greenwich. The estimated position is 51° 28' 30" N, 0° 18' 45" W, which would put it north of the river in the grounds of Syon House. The meridian markers are in fact all south of the river, and can be seen by walking the Thames Path on the south bank. The meridian passes through the King's Observatory, with obelisks to the north and south. The map on the information boards shows a total of four obelisks marking the meridian. The website for the King's Observatory quotes the following: "This task was later transferred to Greenwich Observatory but not before three obelisks had been erected in the Old Deer Park in June 1778 to assist in the exact alignment of instruments in the Observatory. The northern one and the western one of the southern pair are on the true north-south meridian line passing through the west room of the Observatory which housed a tracking telescope. The southern obelisk is due south from the east room that at the time housed its great mural quadrant." The position of the King's Observatory is given on Wikipedia as 51°28′08″N 0°18′53″W, which would give STDOFF = -0:01:15.53 I don't suppose anyone is particularly concerned about this, but I thought I would point it out.

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