Revised proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts
I've attached revised proposed changes for past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts; they also appear below (with tab characters mangled). I've added references provided by Dmitry V. Lenin to the "europe" file. I've changed "west Siberia" to "Omsk" in the "zone.tab" file. I've left unchanged the quote from "translate.google.com (since it is a quote.) For now, I've left unchanged the names provided by Oscar van Vlijmen; I hope we can defer issues of translation and transliteration until finishing the work on past changes in western Siberia and on 2011 changes. --ado diff -r -c old/europe new/europe *** old/europe 2012-05-02 17:54:22.581472200 -0400 --- new/europe 2012-05-05 09:40:53.091364400 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)europe 8.41 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)europe 8.43 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 2164,2182 **** 4:00 Russia SVE%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 5:00 Russia YEK%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 6:00 - YEKT # Yekaterinburg Time ! # ! # From Oscar van Vlijmen (2001-08-25): [This region consists of] ! # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj, Omskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Omsk 4:53:36 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 5:00 - OMST 1930 Jun 21 # Omsk TIme 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 5:00 Russia OMS%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - OMST ! # ! # From Paul Eggert (2006-08-19): I'm guessing about Tomsk here; it's ! # not clear when it switched from +7 to +6. ! # Novosibirskaya oblast', Tomskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Novosibirsk 5:31:40 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 6:00 - NOVT 1930 Jun 21 # Novosibirsk Time 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s --- 2164,2223 ---- 4:00 Russia SVE%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 5:00 Russia YEK%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 6:00 - YEKT # Yekaterinburg Time ! ! # From Tobias Conradi (2011-09-17): ! # I know that Wikipedia is not reliable, still I would like to start with: ! # <a href=" http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%... "> ! # http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%... ! # </a> ! ! # From Arthur David Olson (2012-05-02): ! # According to ! # <a href=" http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org/... "> ! # http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org/... ! # </a>: "...the regions of Western Siberia, ! # formerly stationed in the area of MSK+4, ! # switched to the time of MSK+3, joining the Omsk Time: ! # Novosibirsk Region May 23, 1993 at 00:00, ! # Altai and the Altai Republic May 28, 1995 at 4:00 am, ! # Tomsk Region May 1, 2002 at 3:00 am." ! ! # From Dmitry V. Levin (2012-05-03): ! # ! # Novosibirsk Region May 23, 1993 at 00:00 ! # An article in a newspaper archive (in Russian): ! # <a href="http://vedomosti.sfo.ru/articles/?article=20345"> ! # http://vedomosti.sfo.ru/articles/?article=20345 ! # </a> ! # (Refers to a resolution of the Legislative Assembly of Novosibirsk Region ! # On Transferring to the Fifth Time Zone). ! # ! # ! # Altai and the Altai Republic May 28, 1995 at 4:00 am ! # Text of the Resolution (in Russian): ! # <a href="http://altai.regionz.ru/index.php?ds=1326596"> ! # http://altai.regionz.ru/index.php?ds=1326596 ! # </a> ! # (State Assembly-El Kurultai of the Altai Republic Resolution #8-11 of ! # 6 April 1995 On Transferring the Altai Republic to the Fifth Time Zone. ! # Mentions: Altai Krai Legislative Assembly Resolution #35 of 3 March 1995 ! # On Transferring Altai Krai to the Fifth Time Zone). ! # ! # ! # Tomsk Region May 1, 2002 at 3:00 am ! # Text of the Resolution (in Russian): ! # <a href="http://docs.kodeks.ru/document/901815739"> ! # http://docs.kodeks.ru/document/901815739 ! # </a> ! # (Government of the Russian Federation. Resolution #246 of 17 April 2002 ! # On Using the Time of the Fifth Time Zone on the Territory of Tomsk Oblast). ! ! # Omskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Omsk 4:53:36 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 5:00 - OMST 1930 Jun 21 # Omsk TIme 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 5:00 Russia OMS%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - OMST ! ! # Novosibirskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Novosibirsk 5:31:40 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 6:00 - NOVT 1930 Jun 21 # Novosibirsk Time 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s *************** *** 2185,2190 **** --- 2226,2249 ---- 6:00 Russia NOV%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - NOVT + # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj. + Zone Asia/Barnaul 5:35:00 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 + 6:00 - BART 1930 Jun 21 # Barnaul Time + 7:00 Russia BAR%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s + 6:00 Russia BAR%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s + 7:00 Russia BAR%sT 1995 May 28 4:00s # wikipedia.ru + 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s + 7:00 - OMST + + # Tomskaya oblast'. + Zone Asia/Tomsk 5:39:52 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 + 6:00 - TOMT 1930 Jun 21 # Tomsk Time + 7:00 Russia TOM%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s + 6:00 Russia TOM%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s + 7:00 Russia TOM%sT 2002 May 1 3:00s # wikipedia.ru + 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s + 7:00 - OMST + # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2009-10-13): # Kemerovo oblast' (Kemerovo region) in Russia will change current time zone on # March 28, 2010: diff -r -c old/zone.tab new/zone.tab *** old/zone.tab 2012-05-02 17:54:34.515493100 -0400 --- new/zone.tab 2012-05-05 09:40:50.719228800 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)zone.tab 8.55 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. # --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)zone.tab 8.57 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. # *************** *** 336,343 **** RU +4844+04425 Europe/Volgograd Moscow+00 - Caspian Sea RU +5312+05009 Europe/Samara Moscow+00 - Samara, Udmurtia RU +5651+06036 Asia/Yekaterinburg Moscow+02 - Urals ! RU +5500+07324 Asia/Omsk Moscow+03 - west Siberia RU +5502+08255 Asia/Novosibirsk Moscow+03 - Novosibirsk RU +5345+08707 Asia/Novokuznetsk Moscow+03 - Novokuznetsk RU +5601+09250 Asia/Krasnoyarsk Moscow+04 - Yenisei River RU +5216+10420 Asia/Irkutsk Moscow+05 - Lake Baikal --- 336,345 ---- RU +4844+04425 Europe/Volgograd Moscow+00 - Caspian Sea RU +5312+05009 Europe/Samara Moscow+00 - Samara, Udmurtia RU +5651+06036 Asia/Yekaterinburg Moscow+02 - Urals ! RU +5500+07324 Asia/Omsk Moscow+03 - Omsk RU +5502+08255 Asia/Novosibirsk Moscow+03 - Novosibirsk + RU +5322+08345 Asia/Barnaul Moscow+03 - Altai + RU +5800+08458 Asia/Tomsk Moscow+03 - Tomsk RU +5345+08707 Asia/Novokuznetsk Moscow+03 - Novokuznetsk RU +5601+09250 Asia/Krasnoyarsk Moscow+04 - Yenisei River RU +5216+10420 Asia/Irkutsk Moscow+05 - Lake Baikal
I've left unchanged the quote from "translate.google.com (since it is a quote.) The translation is false. Instead the table from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Time could be used where translation is not needed.
This also gives the vedemosti link and mentions at least some of the law Dmitry V. Lenin later cited. He likely took the vedemosti link from WP, see Wed May 2 16:33:48 UTC 2012 http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-May/017671.html where he praises http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Time compared with Thu May 3 11:01:49 UTC 2012 http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-May/017681.html So proper contribution should be given to the English Wikipedia, not?
For now, I've left unchanged the names provided by Oscar van Vlijmen; I hope we can defer issues of translation and transliteration until finishing the work on past changes in western Siberia and on 2011 changes. Agreed.
But maybe not so good to introduce new names that are less clear than any transliteration, like - Novosibirsk Region - Tomsk Region entities that would be easier to find when named Novosibirsk Oblast Tomsk Oblast Using "region" instead of "oblast" affects mailing list searches too. Not using the google translate quote already eliminates some of these "region" usages and also eliminates ambiguous "Altai". -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/
...the table from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Time could be used where translation is not needed. Improvidently that table does not give times of day for the transitions. --ado
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson@gmail.com> wrote:
...the table from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Time could be used where translation is not needed.
Improvidently that table does not give times of day for the transitions.
--ado
Also, I found this on the Kremlin blog: http://blog.kremlin.ru/accounts/105495?page=2 23 апреля 2012 07:26 & 23 апреля 2012 07:29 (There are also a lot of great comments on page 1 as well talking about the history of time changes.) It lists the exact dates of timezone changes in every timezone in Russia. (No times, though) It can be used to check the zones in tzdb to ensure that each of the zones have all the transitions listed below: (Google translation) History of administrative time in Russia shows authorities' failure to properly address issues vremyaischisleniya - a lot of changes (an average of 5-6 per territory) for the period from 1924 to 2011. Territory of the current time zones 1 and 2, since the establishment of maternity time June 21, 1930, relative to UTC time and date of the change: Kaliningrad: 1, 3 (1956), 2 (1991), 3 (2011). Pskov, St. Petersburg, Novgorod, Smolensk, Murmansk, Petrozavodsk, Bryansk, Tver, Orel, Kursk, Kaluga, Belgorod, Moscow: 3, 2 (1991), 3 (1992), 4 (2011). Tula: 4, 3 (1931), 2 (1991), 3 (1992), 4 (2011). Voronezh, Lipetsk, Ryazan, Rostov-on-Don, Vologda, Yaroslavl, Vladimir, Arkhangelsk, Ivanovo: 4, 3 (1931), 4 (1981), 3 (1982), 2 (1991), 3 (1992), 4 (2011). Krasnodar, Maikop, Kostroma, Tambov and Stavropol, Cherkessk, Nalchik, Nizhny Novgorod, Elista, Vladikavkaz, Magas, Penza, Saransk, Grozny, Cheboksary, Makhachkala, Yoshkar-Ola, Kazan: 4, 3 (1956), 4 (1981) , 3 (1982), 2 (1991), 3 (1992), 4 (2011). Volgograd, Saratov: 4, 3 (1988), 2 (1991), 3 (1992), 4 (2011). Astrakhan, Ulyanovsk, Kirov: 4, 3 (1989), 2 (1991), 3 (1992), 4 (2011). Samara: 4, 3 (1989), 4 (1992), 3 (2010), 4 (2011). Syktyvkar: 4, 5 (1981), 3 (1982), 2 (1991), 3 (1992), 4 (2011). Naryan-Mar 5, 4 (1956), 5 (1981), 3 (1982), 2 (1991), 3 (1992), 4 (2011). Izhevsk: 5, 4 (1931), 3 (1991), 4 (1992), 3 (2010), 4 (2011). Clarification of the date change: February 9, 1931 December 1, 1956 October 1, 1981 April 1, 1982 March 27, 1988 March 26, 1989, March 31, 1991, January 19, 1992, March 28, 2010 March 27, 2011. The data presented show that now we should expect another shift arrows 1 hour ago. History of administrative time in Russia shows authorities' failure to properly address issues vremyaischisleniya - a lot of changes (an average of 5-6 per territory) for the period from 1924 to 2011. Territory of the current time zone from 3 to 9 since the establishment of maternity time June 21, 1930, relative to UTC time and date of the change: Orenburg: 5, 4 (1931), 5 (1956), 4 (1991), 5 (1992), 6 (2011). Ufa, Perm, Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk, Kurgan: 5, 4 (1991), 5 (1992), 6 (2011). Tyumen: 5, 6 (1981), 5 (1982), 4 (1991), 5 (1992), 6 (2011). Salekhard: 5, 6 (1931), 5 (1956), 6 (1981), 5 (1982), 4 (1991), 5 (1992), 6 (2011). Khanty-Mansiysk: 6, 5 (1956), 6 (1981), 5 (1982), 4 (1991), 5 (1992), 6 (2011). Omsk: 6, 5 (1991), 6 (1992), 7 (2011). Novosibirsk: 7, 6 (1991), 7 (1992), 6 (1993), 7 (2011). Barnaul, Gorno-Altaisk: 7, 6 (1991), 7 (1992), 6 (1995), 7 (2011). Tomsk: 7, 6 (1991), 7 (1992), 6 (2002), 7 (2011). Kemerovo: 7, 6 (1991), 7 (1992), 6 (2010), 7 (2011). Abakan, Krasnoyarsk, Kyzyl: 7, 6 (1991), 7 (1992), 7 (2011). Irkutsk, Ulan-Ude: 8, 7 (1991), 8 (1992), 9 (2011). Chita: 9, 8 (1991), 9 (1992), 10 (2011). Blagoveshchensk and Yakutsk: 10, 9 (1956), 8 (1991), 9 (1992), 10 (2011). Vladivostok, Birobidzhan, Khabarovsk: 10, 9 (1991), 10 (1992), 11 (2011). Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, 11, 10 (1931), 11 (1956), 10 (1991), 11 (1992), 10 (1997), 11 (2011). Magadan, 11, 10 (1991), 11 (1992), 12 (2011). Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky: 12, 11 (1991), 12 (1992), 11 (2010), 12 (2011). Anadyr: 13, 12 (1982), 11 (1991), 12 (1992), 11 (2010), 12 (2011). Clarification of the date change: February 9, 1931 December 1, 1956 October 1, 1981 April 1, 1982 March 31, 1991, January 19, 1992, May 23, 1993, May 28, 1995, March 30, 1997 May 1, 2002 March 28, 2010, March 27 , 2011. The data presented show that now we should expect another shift arrows 1 hour ago.
...the table from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Time could be used where translation is not needed.
Improvidently that table does not give times of day for the transitions. The sections marked "Dmitry V. Levin (2012-05-03)" have the times.
For 1993 Novosibirsk it is in the WP vedemosti link. For 1995 Altai Republic, Altai Krai - not found. For 2002 Tomsk it is in Dmitry V. Levin's link http://docs.kodeks.ru/document/901815739 So, the only snippet that may be needed via translate google com and Russian WP is "Altai and the Altai Republic May 28, 1995 at 4:00 am," which is a wrong translation, since the original has Altai Krai not "Altai". I don't know what the source for the time for the Altais in the Dmitry V. Levin section is, maybe just the Russian Wikipedia, or http://altai.regionz.ru/index.php?ds=1326596 - but I couldn't find it there. So the translate link could be put next to the section for the two Altais. -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/
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