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[PATCH 1/7] Fix bug with two-in-one-month time changes in 2010 in Egypt.
by Paul Eggert Feb. 21, 2013

Feb. 21, 2013

[Patch by Arthur David Olson.] Problem reported by Paul Eggert in <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2013-January/018532.html>. * zic.c (stringzone): Check for day of month too, when finding latest rule. --- zic.c | 4 +++- 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/zic.c b/zic.c index a5202a1..806e613 100644 --- a/zic.c +++ b/zic.c @@ -1851,7 +1851,9 @@ stringzone(char *result, const struct zone *const zpfirst, const int zonecount) rp = &zp->z_rules[i]; if (stdrp == NULL || rp->r_hiyear > stdrp->r_hiyear || (rp->r_hiyear == stdrp->r_hiyear && - rp->r_month > stdrp->r_month)) + (rp->r_month > stdrp->r_month || + (rp->r_month == stdrp->r_month && + rp->r_dayofmonth > stdrp->r_dayofmonth)))) stdrp = rp; } if (stdrp != NULL && stdrp->r_stdoff != 0) -- 1.7.10.4

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Gaza in 2013 -- anything official?
by Petr Machata Feb. 20, 2013

Feb. 20, 2013

Hi there, timeanddate.com lists for Gaza in 2013 what appears to be extension of 2012 rules[1]. The pattern in the last several years has been mostly that there is no pattern. The dates were all over the place, Ramadan even kicked in once. I take it that the dates at [1] are simply a guess, but by any chance, does anyone have an information about what should the rules in 2013 be? [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/clockchange.html?n=702 Thanks, PM

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Official information about Chile daytime changes
by Felipe Sologuren Feb. 18, 2013

Feb. 18, 2013

http://www.horaoficial.cl/cambio.htm http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=es-419&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2F… -- Felipe Sologuren Newtenberg.com

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Chile DST extended
by Steffen Thorsen Feb. 17, 2013

Feb. 17, 2013

According to several news sources, Chile has extended DST this year, they will end DST later and start DST earlier than planned. They hope to save energy. The new end date is 2013-04-28 00:00 and new start date is 2013-09-08 00:00. One such news source: http://www.elboyaldia.cl/node/21913 Best regards, Steffen Thorsen - timeanddate.com

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Chile time changes announced
by Glenn Eychaner Feb. 15, 2013

Feb. 15, 2013

http://www.diarioeldia.cl/articulo/entregan-fechas-cambio-hora-este-2013 http://www.emol.com/noticias/economia/2013/02/15/584242/horario-de-invierno… http://papel.doe.cl/20130215/ In short, the clocks will go back at the midnight between Saturday the 27th and Sunday the 28th of April, and forward the midnight between Saturday the 7th and Sunday the 8th of September. Added two additional links to the more widely read El Mercurio, and to the Diario Oficial (flash-app) for 15 Feb, which conatins the actual text of the Decreto Supremo and clarifies that indeed this change is for this year only yet again. I will prepare a patch Monday if no one else does so first. -G. -- Glenn Eychaner (geychaner(a)lco.cl) Telescope Systems Programmer, Las Campanas Observatory

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Chile time changes announced
by Glenn Eychaner Feb. 15, 2013

Feb. 15, 2013

http://www.diarioeldia.cl/articulo/entregan-fechas-cambio-hora-este-2013 In short, the clocks will go back at the midnight between Saturday the 27th and Sunday the 28th of April, and forward the midnight between Saturday the 7th and Sunday the 8th of September. I will prepare a patch Monday if no one else does so first. -G. -- Glenn Eychaner (geychaner(a)lco.cl) Telescope Systems Programmer, Las Campanas Observatory

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[Chile] DST dates changed (again)
by Juan Correa Feb. 15, 2013

Feb. 15, 2013

It's been just published the official decree, stating new dates for the end and start of DST Daylight Saving time will end on "last saturday of april at 24:00" (27/Apr) and shall start on "first saturday of september" (07/Sep) at the same hour. Also, the decree says these rules will be valid only on 2013 Source: Decreto 153/2013, Ministerio del Interior y Seguridad Pública (LeyChile: www.leychile.cl/Consulta/m/norma_plana?idNorma=1048851&org=bleyes_r%3Ft_n%3…, in Spanish)

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Change 2013 timezone rules for Chile
by Felipe Sologuren Feb. 15, 2013

Feb. 15, 2013

http://www.minenergia.cl/ministerio/noticias/generales/gobierno-anuncia-fec… -- Felipe Sologuren Newtenberg.com

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Re: [tz] TZ file comments UTF-8?
by Shawn Steele Feb. 14, 2013

Feb. 14, 2013

> With that, I hope that you will quickly find UTF-8 perfectly acceptable now in source code. > Markus > i prefer plain ascii because i get trouble from time to time with mixed code > documentation. (last week some wired 16bit thing). being conservative seems > the most practical way. > wh I'd prefer UTF-8 if there's non-ASCII information to be had. Opening in an ASCII editor ASCII would just lose that extra information for whomever was using an ASCII editor, whereas forcing ASCII on the file loses that information for everyone. When I open UTF-8 in a non-UTF-8 editor, I can usually glean the content and just ignore the few mojibake-y characters. (Either that or convert everything to XML so that there's a good escaping mechanism so the file's still parsable and readable, which would be far more breaking). -Shawn

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Fw: Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading [RECAP]
by Benny Feb. 14, 2013

Feb. 14, 2013

Sorry if this topic has been discussed many times before: [1] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2002-February/011863.html Indonesia time zones [2] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2002-March/011897.html indonesia time zone correction [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.glibc/8955/focus=283 [4] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2008-November/015288.html Incorrect time zone abbreviations for Indonesia [5] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-April/015565.html Jakarta is Indonesia West Time Not Central Time [6] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015626.html [7] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015627.html [8] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015628.html [9] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015629.html [10] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015633.html and elsewhere Arthur David Olson[6] commented: The challenge here is that abbreviations of English-language names are used consistently for time zones around the globe. For Indonesia we have abbreviations WIT (Western Indonesian Time), CIT (Central Indonesian Time), and EIT (Eastern Indonesian Time). Improvidently, one of these English-language abbreviations (WIT) is also the native-language abbreviation of a different time zone. There's been discussion on the mailing list in the past about abbreviations; past consensus was that producing native-language abbreviations was an internationalization matter rather than a time zone matter. A case could be made for translating the native time zone names (Waktu Indonesia Barat, Waktu Indonesia Tengah, and Waktu Indonesia Timur) into English and using abbreviations based on the translated names. While I understand the need for English abbreviation, but in Indonesian case, it's misleading and thus have an undesirable effect, that is confusing to some people that's not aware that the acronym is in English. As for the Indonesian acronym, I think there's no question anymore about its validity (attested by http://time.kim.lipi.go.id/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indonesia, and others) As for the English names, I propose they're changed into Western Time of Indonesia (WTI), Central Time of Indonesia (CTI), Eastern Time of Indonesia (CTI). According to http://www.statoids.com/tid.html the English equivalent (translation) are: Western Indonesia Standard Time (WIST), Central Indonesia Standard Time (CIST), Eastern Indonesia Standard Time (EIST). Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indonesia#Historical_usage) noted on the history of [[Time in Indonesia]]: Jakarta Standard Time (JST), Bali Standard Time (BST), Jayapura Time (JT) respectively. Tim Diggins[8] asked and replied by Robert Elz[9]: | Maybe I'm missing something - can someone explain what the | abbreviations are used for They're just part of the standard output data that the ctime() related functions are expected to provide. As you noted, the abbreviations themselves are essentially useless, and applications using them for any more than decoration are generally broken, but what applications decide to do is outside our control. A TZ abbreviation has been available from libc essentially forever, and we need to keep on providing one. But in our case with Wikipedia, it's not just for decoration purposes. As you might already know, Wikipedia translated the interface into many languages, and in the case of Indonesian Wikipedias (there are many editions of them), the discussion in article talk pages and user talk pages are done by people who left their signatures (name and timestamp), which carries the aforementioned "WIT", and has led to some unexplained confusion. Therefore we're asking it to be changed if possible. ___________________ Regards, benny ________________________________ From: Benny <bknliem(a)yahoo.com> To: "tz(a)iana.org" <tz(a)iana.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:17 PM Subject: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading The acronym used in Asia/Jakarta timezone is WIT (Western Indonesian Time), where in Indonesian language, WIT means Waktu Indonesia Timur (Eastern Indonesian Time), so it's rather confusing, especially if the conversation (say in Indonesian Wikipedia) is done in Indonesian language, and the user add a signature with the timemark, it will assume WIT is the Indonesian abbreviation, which is of course not. Noted in: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44758 First noted in: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=791 (2005) ___________________ Regards, benny

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Busingen revisited
by Arthur David Olson Feb. 14, 2013

Feb. 14, 2013

With the new year, a revised attempt to handle the German exclave of Busingen (which followed Zurich rather than Berlin in 1980). These changes are relative to the latest github.com/eggert/tz versions; they are both below (with tabs mangled) and attached. --ado *** old/europe 2013-01-07 08:05:19.093905100 -0500 --- europe 2013-01-07 08:13:01.260316900 -0500 *************** *** 1239,1244 **** --- 1239,1265 ---- 1:00 Germany CE%sT 1980 1:00 EU CE%sT + # From Tobias Conradi (2011-09-12): + # The German enclave of Büsingen + # <a href=http://www.buesingen.de> + # (http://www.buesingen.de) + # </a> + # surrounded by the Swiss canton Schaffhausen, + # did not start observing DST in 1980 as the rest of DE + # (West Germany at that time) and DD (East Germany at that time) did. + # DD merged into DE, the area is currently covered by code DE in ISO 3166-1, + # which in turn is covered by the zone Europe/Berlin. + # + # Source for the time in Büsingen 1980: + # <a href=" http://www.videoportal.sf.tv/video?id=c012c029-03b7-4c2b-9164-aa5902cd58d3"> + # http://www.videoportal.sf.tv/video?id=c012c029-03b7-4c2b-9164-aa5902cd58d3 + # </a> + + # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-03): + # Büsingen and Zurich have shared clocks since 1970. + + Link Europe/Zurich Europe/Busingen + # Georgia # Please see the "asia" file for Asia/Tbilisi. # Herodotus (Histories, IV.45) says Georgia north of the Phasis (now Rioni) *** old/zone.tab 2013-01-07 08:05:21.511909300 -0500 --- zone.tab 2013-01-07 08:18:15.587807500 -0500 *************** *** 159,165 **** CX -1025+10543 Indian/Christmas CY +3510+03322 Asia/Nicosia CZ +5005+01426 Europe/Prague ! DE +5230+01322 Europe/Berlin DJ +1136+04309 Africa/Djibouti DK +5540+01235 Europe/Copenhagen DM +1518-06124 America/Dominica --- 159,166 ---- CX -1025+10543 Indian/Christmas CY +3510+03322 Asia/Nicosia CZ +5005+01426 Europe/Prague ! DE +5230+01322 Europe/Berlin Germany except Busingen ! DE +4742+00841 Europe/Busingen Busingen Germany DJ +1136+04309 Africa/Djibouti DK +5540+01235 Europe/Copenhagen DM +1518-06124 America/Dominica

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Re: [tz] Fw: Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading [RECAP]
by Benny Feb. 14, 2013

Feb. 14, 2013

Nope, I didn't know about that. They would be good substitute acronyms to use. Thanks for the information.I'll add some information about this WIB/WIT confusion to the tango.info/wiki later today. ___________________ Regards, benny ________________________________ From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> To: Benny <bknliem(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [tz] Fw: Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading [RECAP] > As for the English names, I propose they're changed into Western Time of > Indonesia (WTI), Central Time of Indonesia (CTI), Eastern Time of Indonesia > (CTI). Did you consider https://tango.info/wiki/Internationalized_time_point_unique_time_zone_abbre… ? Which could be: IDWT IDCT IDET ? For comparison Australia: AUET AUCT AUWT United States: USET USCT USPT Europe: EUCT EUET EUWT -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading
by Benny Feb. 14, 2013

Feb. 14, 2013

We're talking in the specific context here, Indonesian audience, and they know what WIB means, in your language: UTC+7; they only know one WIT, that is UTC+9. They don't know that WIT is UTC+7 in English language, and basically, no one ever regulate WIT is Western Indonesian Time, hence WIT is always Waktu Indonesia Timur in this context. Here we're talking privately, I've posted my suggestion on the tz mailing-list (it should have been posted yesterday, only today I found out that I pressed reply, and replied to myself, instead of to the mailing-list. Some weird setting on the mailing list, the reply-to is not set correctly to reply to the mailing-list. Thus today I've forwarded it again to the list. You should have received it by now). Instead of replying to me, I'd prefer discuss it with the whole list members. ___________________ Regards, benny ________________________________ From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> To: Benny <bknliem(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading > Most people doesn't know what UTC+7 means, they need something that would > make more sense, thus the acronym of the timezone, I bet 1000 USD, that for any acronym most people would not know that it identifies an Indonesian time zone. > thus the WIB/WIT problem. > I've posted a recap of past discussion (sorry for double posting), and > suggest a change in the English abbreviation. Does your suggestion include a proposal for a new abbreviation? Is that somewhere online? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com Most people doesn't know what UTC+7 means, they need something that would make more sense, thus the acronym of the timezone, thus the WIB/WIT problem. I've posted a recap of past discussion (sorry for double posting), and suggest a change in the English abbreviation. ___________________ Regards, benny ________________________________ From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> To: Benny <bknliem(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading > That's not the normal way to do it. Maybe. If everyone would do what is normal, there would be no innovation. > It doesn't solve the problem. The problem was posted as: "When setting a wiki's timezone to Asia/Jakarta (UTC+7), signatures get marked with (WIT)" I suggested to remove WIT. Where do you think this "doesn't solve the problem"? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com That's not the normal way to do it. It doesn't solve the problem. ___________________ Regards, benny ________________________________ From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> To: Benny <bknliem(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading "When setting a wiki's timezone to Asia/Jakarta (UTC+7), signatures get marked with (WIT)" Change the MediaWiki marker? This also affects other languages/regions where markers might be meaningless to locals. Write "UTC+7" and done? Tobias On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Benny <bknliem(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > The acronym used in Asia/Jakarta timezone is WIT (Western Indonesian Time), > where in Indonesian language, WIT means Waktu Indonesia Timur (Eastern > Indonesian Time), so it's rather confusing, especially if the conversation > (say in Indonesian Wikipedia) is done in Indonesian language, and the user > add a signature with the timemark, it will assume WIT is the Indonesian > abbreviation, which is of course not. > > Noted in: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44758 > First noted in: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=791 (2005) > > ___________________ > > Regards, > benny -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Fw: Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading [RECAP]
by Benny Feb. 14, 2013

Feb. 14, 2013

Sorry if this topic has been discussed many times before: [1] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2002-February/011863.html Indonesia time zones [2] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2002-March/011897.html indonesia time zone correction [3] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.glibc/8955/focus=283 [4] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2008-November/015288.html Incorrect time zone abbreviations for Indonesia [5] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-April/015565.html Jakarta is Indonesia West Time Not Central Time [6] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015626.html [7] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015627.html [8] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015628.html [9] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015629.html [10] http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2009-May/015633.html and elsewhere Arthur David Olson[6] commented: The challenge here is that abbreviations of English-language names are used consistently for time zones around the globe. For Indonesia we have abbreviations WIT (Western Indonesian Time), CIT (Central Indonesian Time), and EIT (Eastern Indonesian Time). Improvidently, one of these English-language abbreviations (WIT) is also the native-language abbreviation of a different time zone. There's been discussion on the mailing list in the past about abbreviations; past consensus was that producing native-language abbreviations was an internationalization matter rather than a time zone matter. A case could be made for translating the native time zone names (Waktu Indonesia Barat, Waktu Indonesia Tengah, and Waktu Indonesia Timur) into English and using abbreviations based on the translated names. While I understand the need for English abbreviation, but in Indonesian case, it's misleading and thus have an undesirable effect, that is confusing to some people that's not aware that the acronym is in English. As for the Indonesian acronym, I think there's no question anymore about its validity (attested by http://time.kim.lipi.go.id/, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indonesia, and others) As for the English names, I propose they're changed into Western Time of Indonesia (WTI), Central Time of Indonesia (CTI), Eastern Time of Indonesia (CTI). According to http://www.statoids.com/tid.html the English equivalent (translation) are: Western Indonesia Standard Time (WIST), Central Indonesia Standard Time (CIST), Eastern Indonesia Standard Time (EIST). Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indonesia#Historical_usage) noted on the history of [[Time in Indonesia]]: Jakarta Standard Time (JST), Bali Standard Time (BST), Jayapura Time (JT) respectively. Tim Diggins[8] asked and replied by Robert Elz[9]: | Maybe I'm missing something - can someone explain what the | abbreviations are used for They're just part of the standard output data that the ctime() related functions are expected to provide. As you noted, the abbreviations themselves are essentially useless, and applications using them for any more than decoration are generally broken, but what applications decide to do is outside our control. A TZ abbreviation has been available from libc essentially forever, and we need to keep on providing one. But in our case with Wikipedia, it's not just for decoration purposes. As you might already know, Wikipedia translated the interface into many languages, and in the case of Indonesian Wikipedias (there are many editions of them), the discussion in article talk pages and user talk pages are done by people who left their signatures (name and timestamp), which carries the aforementioned "WIT", and has led to some unexplained confusion. Therefore we're asking it to be changed if possible. ___________________ Regards, benny ________________________________ From: Benny <bknliem(a)yahoo.com> To: "tz(a)iana.org" <tz(a)iana.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:17 PM Subject: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading The acronym used in Asia/Jakarta timezone is WIT (Western Indonesian Time), where in Indonesian language, WIT means Waktu Indonesia Timur (Eastern Indonesian Time), so it's rather confusing, especially if the conversation (say in Indonesian Wikipedia) is done in Indonesian language, and the user add a signature with the timemark, it will assume WIT is the Indonesian abbreviation, which is of course not. Noted in: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44758 First noted in: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=791 (2005) ___________________ Regards, benny

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Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading
by Benny Feb. 13, 2013

Feb. 13, 2013

The acronym used in Asia/Jakarta timezone is WIT (Western Indonesian Time), where in Indonesian language, WIT means Waktu Indonesia Timur (Eastern Indonesian Time), so it's rather confusing, especially if the conversation (say in Indonesian Wikipedia) is done in Indonesian language, and the user add a signature with the timemark, it will assume WIT is the Indonesian abbreviation, which is of course not. Noted in: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44758 First noted in: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=791 (2005) ___________________ Regards, benny

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Russia plans to switch back to the "permanent winter time" in 2013
by Alexander Krivenyshev Feb. 7, 2013

Feb. 7, 2013

According to the Russian news: http://izvestia.ru/news/544409 Russia plans to switch back to the "permanent winter time" by the end of the year (2013). New bill will be introduce to the State Duma shortly. (in Russian) http://izvestia.ru/news/544409 or http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_russia053.html Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com

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Re: [tz] A simple JavaScript library for timezone handling
by Shawn Steele Feb. 3, 2013

Feb. 3, 2013

FWIW: The ECMAScript folks are working on globalization stuff for JavaScript, including looking at timezones... Of course creating new standards and getting them implemented takes a while, but I thought I'd mention it... -Shawn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "L. David Baron" <dbaron(a)dbaron.org> Subject: [tz] A simple JavaScript library for timezone handling To: tz(a)iana.org A while ago I wrote a simple JavaScript library for timezone handling in JavaScript. It provides a simple API described here: https://github.com/dbaron/tz.js/blob/3489978e9422c49f1bb4aafdfeee429a3e6651… and has build scripts to convert the necessary data from the tz database into JSON format to include in the script. The end result including the code and the data, gzip-compressed, is about 74 KB. I keep hoping I'd get a chance to make some additional improvements before announcing it, but that served only to delay announcing it and not to lead to additional improvements. Since it might be useful to others in its current form, I thought I'd share it on this list. It is: https://github.com/dbaron/tz.js -David

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A simple JavaScript library for timezone handling
by L. David Baron Feb. 3, 2013

Feb. 3, 2013

A while ago I wrote a simple JavaScript library for timezone handling in JavaScript. It provides a simple API described here: https://github.com/dbaron/tz.js/blob/3489978e9422c49f1bb4aafdfeee429a3e6651… and has build scripts to convert the necessary data from the tz database into JSON format to include in the script. The end result including the code and the data, gzip-compressed, is about 74 KB. I keep hoping I'd get a chance to make some additional improvements before announcing it, but that served only to delay announcing it and not to lead to additional improvements. Since it might be useful to others in its current form, I thought I'd share it on this list. It is: https://github.com/dbaron/tz.js -David -- 𝄞 L. David Baron http://dbaron.org/ 𝄂 𝄢 Mozilla http://www.mozilla.org/ 𝄂

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Rule names
by Osko, Galatea Feb. 1, 2013

Feb. 1, 2013

Can anyone please advise on where I can find the Rule name history for each country/region? The data I'm interested in is as follows: - AQ, Oz: I don't know to which area/country this is referring to as it is not listed on tiscali - C-Eur, E-EurAsia - are these valid/active rule names in use? or used parallel? not sure if any of them is a historic name for Europe that's why I'm looking for archived rule names. I believe some of these were used up to some point in the past and then switched to a new name... And I also have some other countries like Pakistan, Palestine where I would like to check the DST history. ________________________________ NOTICE: Morgan Stanley is not acting as a municipal advisor and the opinions or views contained herein are not intended to be, and do not constitute, advice within the meaning of Section 975 of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy all electronic and paper copies and notify the sender immediately. Mistransmission is not intended to waive confidentiality or privilege. Morgan Stanley reserves the right, to the extent permitted under applicable law, to monitor electronic communications. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.morganstanley.com/disclaimers If you cannot access these links, please notify us by reply message and we will send the contents to you. By messaging with Morgan Stanley you consent to the foregoing.

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zdump no longer reports gmtoff
by Marvel, Jim (CPCOE) Jan. 31, 2013

Jan. 31, 2013

Using ubuntu 12.04 LTS Using tz 2012 j code/data Tested each timezone mentioned in zone.tab, by zdump-ing each one. Observed that each timezone had two lines that reported NULL, then a bunch of nice-looking pairs-of-lines, then two lines that reported "NULL" I understand that this could be caused if you are using a 64 bit ubuntu on a 32-bit machine.... ...I may have !!! migrated to a 32-bit ubuntu on a 32-bit machine... The lines at the earliest/latest transition for each timezone are no longer "NULL"-containing (they mention 1901 and 2038, which I understand) What is breaking my heart is "Why did the lines drop off the gmtoff value, now ending with the isdst value?" Saw somewhere that tm_gmtoff is a GNU extension that may not be visible... Please "illuminate" Thanks, Jim

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A Simple Question
by Donald MacQueen Jan. 31, 2013

Jan. 31, 2013

I recently added time zone support to our product, and life would have been easier if the time zone files had their file name in them so that they 'knew' what they were. How come they don't? Thanks in advance. -- Donald [|] Joel Cairo: You always have a very smooth explanation... Sam Spade: What do you want me to do, learn to stutter? - The Maltese Falcon

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Archived Rule names
by Osko, Galatea Jan. 28, 2013

Jan. 28, 2013

Hi team, Is there a list of outdated rule names that are not in use anymore? I found rule name "oz" which is supposed to be a code for Australia however the tiscali only mentions AN, AS and some other similar codes. I assume this is a historical code but I do not find this info on any of the websites. I have problems with some other as well: C-Eur AQ E-EurAsia Please advise. Thanks Galatea Osko Morgan Stanley | Enterprise Data & Services Lechner Odon fasor 8 | Floor 06 Budapest, 1095 Phone: +36 1 881-3866 Galatea.Osko(a)morganstanley.com<mailto:Galatea.Osko@morganstanley.com> Be carbon conscious. Please consider our environment before printing this email. ________________________________ NOTICE: Morgan Stanley is not acting as a municipal advisor and the opinions or views contained herein are not intended to be, and do not constitute, advice within the meaning of Section 975 of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy all electronic and paper copies and notify the sender immediately. Mistransmission is not intended to waive confidentiality or privilege. Morgan Stanley reserves the right, to the extent permitted under applicable law, to monitor electronic communications. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.morganstanley.com/disclaimers If you cannot access these links, please notify us by reply message and we will send the contents to you. By messaging with Morgan Stanley you consent to the foregoing.

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Re: [tz] Bangladesh's TZ Abbreviation
by Shawn Steele Jan. 19, 2013

Jan. 19, 2013

I noticed other non-bd sites with BdST. None of the sites (for either code) seem persuasively authoritative. References to BST are 1-off references, whereas the news site uses BdST consistently, but it's just one site. I notice that Wikipedia has been using BdST for some time. (Not that I'm saying it's a good source, and it didn't cite its references). I suggest that the lack of good references is maybe because Bengali doesn't use the Latin script? I can understand why someone may want to distinguish their abbreviation from BST though. What has been the past policy for determining these abbreviations? Particularly for non-Latin scripts, &/or where it may be difficult for us to find, read, &/or transliterate any native-language sources? -Shawn

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Proposed bill to abolish the Daylight saving time in Ukraine
by Alexander Krivenyshev Jan. 19, 2013

Jan. 19, 2013

The Ministry of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine has submitted a bill to abolish the daylight saving time. If approved, new bill will go into effect on March 1, 2013 and Ukraine will use UTC+2 year around. Reference from the Ukraine Government web site: The Ministry of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine (in Ukrainian): http://www.me.gov.ua/control/uk/publish/article?art_id=196220&cat_id=32862 or http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_ukraine07.html Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com

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Bangladesh's TZ Abbreviation
by Hank W Jan. 18, 2013

Jan. 18, 2013

The online Bangladesh newspaper bdnews24.com repeatedly abbreviates Bangladesh Standard Time as BdST, as opposed to the BDT abbreviation in the current Asia file of the tzdata. For example, the article at http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2009/12/31/2010-new-decade-cheered-in, (dated 2010-01-01) states in part, "Clocks went back at 11:59pm on Thursday night--rather than midnight--to restore Bangladesh Standard Time (BdST), GMT+6." I found many similar examples in a search for BdST within the site. Searches for BdDT and BdT yielded nothing. A search for BDT yields many references to their currency, not their time. I searched also for BST and found it referring to Bangladesh Standard Time in articles from about seven or eight years ago, while in articles from the current decade it seems to be referring only to British Summer Time. Hank W. Austin, Texas, U.S.A. Time Guru Wannabe

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