We're talking in the specific context here, Indonesian audience, and they know what WIB means, in your language: UTC+7; they only know one WIT, that is UTC+9. They don't know that WIT is UTC+7 in English language, and basically, no one ever regulate WIT is Western Indonesian Time, hence WIT is always Waktu Indonesia Timur in this context. Here we're talking privately, I've posted my suggestion on the tz mailing-list (it should have been posted yesterday, only today I found out that I pressed reply, and replied to myself, instead of to the mailing-list. Some weird setting on the mailing list, the reply-to is not set correctly to reply to the mailing-list. Thus today I've forwarded it again to the list. You should have received it by now). Instead of replying to me, I'd prefer discuss it with the whole list members.   ___________________ Regards, benny ________________________________ From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012@tobiasconradi.com> To: Benny <bknliem@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading

Most people doesn't know what UTC+7 means, they need something that would make more sense, thus the acronym of the timezone, I bet 1000 USD, that for any acronym most people would not know that it identifies an Indonesian time zone.

thus the WIB/WIT problem. I've posted a recap of past discussion (sorry for double posting), and suggest a change in the English abbreviation. Does your suggestion include a proposal for a new abbreviation? Is that somewhere online?

-- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com Most people doesn't know what UTC+7 means, they need something that would make more sense, thus the acronym of the timezone, thus the WIB/WIT problem. I've posted a recap of past discussion (sorry for double posting), and suggest a change in the English abbreviation.   ___________________ Regards, benny ________________________________ From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012@tobiasconradi.com> To: Benny <bknliem@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading

That's not the normal way to do it. Maybe. If everyone would do what is normal, there would be no innovation.

It doesn't solve the problem.

The problem was posted as: "When setting a wiki's timezone to Asia/Jakarta (UTC+7), signatures get marked with (WIT)" I suggested to remove WIT. Where do you think this "doesn't solve the problem"? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com That's not the normal way to do it. It doesn't solve the problem.   ___________________ Regards, benny ________________________________ From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012@tobiasconradi.com> To: Benny <bknliem@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [tz] Asia/Jakarta timezone acronym is misleading "When setting a wiki's timezone to Asia/Jakarta (UTC+7), signatures get marked with (WIT)" Change the MediaWiki marker? This also affects other languages/regions where markers might be meaningless to locals. Write "UTC+7" and done? Tobias On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Benny <bknliem@yahoo.com> wrote:

The acronym used in Asia/Jakarta timezone is WIT (Western Indonesian Time), where in Indonesian language, WIT means Waktu Indonesia Timur (Eastern Indonesian Time), so it's rather confusing, especially if the conversation (say in Indonesian Wikipedia) is done in Indonesian language, and the user add a signature with the timemark, it will assume WIT is the Indonesian abbreviation, which is of course not.

Noted in: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44758 First noted in: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=791 (2005)

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-- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com