September 2000 - tz - lists.iana.org

Re: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Paul Eggert Sept. 25, 2000

Sept. 25, 2000

Paul Hill <phill(a)myriad.com> writes: > But I believe the tzdata actually redundantly lists some entries. > If I recall, the US territories in the Pacific (Guam?, American Samoa?) are > listed in two files but with the same IDs. There are many redundancies if you look at the "backward" file, since it contains backward-compatibility links for older names like US/Pacific that have been superseded by newer names like America/Los_Angeles. But if you omit the "backward" file, almost all redundancies are where two different locations have the same time zone history since 1970 (e.g. Europe/Rome and Europe/San_Marino). These redundancies are needed only to satisfy the rule that each country gets at least one location. There is only one exception to this general rule: Istanbul has the two entries Europe/Istanbul and Asia/Istanbul. I think this is OK, as Istanbul actually does span continents. I don't know of any current official dividing line between Europe and Asia, or between Asia and Africa for that matter, so I suppose there could be more points of controversy in the distant future as the dividing line encounters time zone splits. Maybe by then there will be a standard, or we'll use a different naming scheme. As for Cyprus, the tz database generally tries to avoid political and cultural questions, as they are distractions from its intended purpose. Culturally, Cyprus is more European than Asian (and has been so for most of its history); but if we went by culture, we'd have to do things like putting Australia under Europe and this wouldn't make much sense from a time zone point of view. Geographically, Cyprus is clearly in Asia, and this has long been recognized. For example, please see Herodotus, Histories, I.72.

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Re: Greenland - places
by Paul Eggert Sept. 25, 2000

Sept. 25, 2000

Oscar van Vlijmen <o.van.vlijmen(a)tip.nl> writes: > Why not using the Greenlandic place names in the Europe file? When I originally chose the names, the old-fashioned Danish names were in more common use in English than the newfangled Greenlandic names. This may have changed since then; I haven't checked. > Thule: Qaanaaq At the height of the cold war, Thule had maybe 10,000 people in it (the exact number was a secret); it was a giant city by Greenland's standards. But now the nearby native village is a bit larger than Thule itself. I think this explains why some sources refer to Thule as `Qaanaaq' and others `Pituffik'. If we rename Thule, we'll have to pick the right replacement name. By the tz rules we should still stick with Thule, as I think it's still much better known in English; but this may change in the future, I suppose. It's even conceivable that Thule will become a ghost town. > Godthåb (or even worse: Godthab, yes I know, Posix 1.0): Nuuk > Scoresbysund: Ittoqqortoormiit Nuuk would be an good name, but Ittoqqortoormiit is too long; it exceeds 14 chars. (Maybe we could remove all the duplicate letters. :-) > If one doesn't like those names as zone names, just add them as a comment > (#). That has already been done in the latest tz sources. > Especially Ittoqqortoormiit could be a bit problematic. Although this is the > official spelling as far as I can tell, I already found two other spellings, > one of them was an error (Ittoqqortoormiut) and another was probably the > wrong Inuit dialect (Itseqqortoormiit). In the current tz comment, it's a different spelling yet: Ittoqqortoormit. I'll change the spelling to agree with the Danish postal code web page. But this is another hint that perhaps we should leave the tz Zone names alone, at least for now.

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RE: Greenland - places
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) Sept. 21, 2000

Sept. 21, 2000

> Why not using the Greenlandic place names in the Europe file? >From the "Theory" file: Use traditional English spelling, e.g. prefer `Rome' to `Roma', and prefer `Athens' to the true name (which uses Greek letters). The Posix file name restrictions encourage this rule. --ado

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Population counters
by Jesper Nørgaard Sept. 19, 2000

Sept. 19, 2000

Now that we had a request about Latitude and Longitude sources, I was just wondering if anybody knows sources in internet about population counters for cities. I have made many different searches, but apparently not the right ones, because I have only come up with 2 important ones: UN list of capital cities and cities of 100,000 inhabitants and more http://www.un.org/Depts/unsd/demog/ctry.htm Statistics pages for the world: http://www.xist.org/ If you think this is not that relevant for the tz list, I probably agree, but some of you guys have plenty of background in the geographic area in general, so I have a feeble hope that somebody could help me out. Regards, Jesper Nørgaard Email: jnorgard(a)Prodigy.Net.mx Programador/Analista CIMMYT - Centro Internacional de Mejoramiento de Maíz y Trigo Dirección: CIMMYT, Lisboa 27, 06600 Mexico, D.F. Tel.: +52 (5) 58-04-20-04 ext. 1374 Fax: +52 (5) 58-04-75-58 Tel. Casa: 53-10-05-95 ó 53-10-97-78 CIMMYT home page: http://cimmyt.cgiar.org Check out my Time Zone Converter: http://timezone50.homepage.com

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Greenland - places
by Oscar van Vlijmen Sept. 17, 2000

Sept. 17, 2000

Why not using the Greenlandic place names in the Europe file? Thule: Qaanaaq Godthåb (or even worse: Godthab, yes I know, Posix 1.0): Nuuk Scoresbysund: Ittoqqortoormiit Source: e.g. "Postal codes in Greenland" (http://www.dpc.dk/Guide/PostalCodes.html) and "POSTNUMRE Danmark/København/Grønland/Færøerne" (http://www.morslink.dk/postnr.htm) If one doesn't like those names as zone names, just add them as a comment (#). Especially Ittoqqortoormiit could be a bit problematic. Although this is the official spelling as far as I can tell, I already found two other spellings, one of them was an error (Ittoqqortoormiut) and another was probably the wrong Inuit dialect (Itseqqortoormiit). Oscar van Vlijmen 2000-09-17

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Locations
by Oscar van Vlijmen Sept. 16, 2000

Sept. 16, 2000

Find the latitude and longitude of more than a million (!) of locations on earth with: Astrodienst: http://www.astro.ch/atlas/ (service for astrologers) Heavens-Above: http://www.heavens-above.com/countries.asp (service for astronomers) Oscar van Vlijmen 2000-09-16

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New in list
by Nexo Informática Sept. 16, 2000

Sept. 16, 2000

Dear Friends, I'm new in this list and I'm look for some information. tz database is only time zone and daylight saving database or it also covers latitude and longitude of cities? where I can find latitude and longitude information of cities of the your, mainly some updated database. Thanks in advance, Floriano Caldeira from Brazil

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RE: New in list
by Jesper Nørgaard Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

The cities which are direct entries in the tz database, also have their latitude and longitude documented in a file in the tz database called zone.tab. You can download and extract that file, but since it is small, I chose to include below in this mail. # @(#)zone.tab 1.19 # # TZ zone descriptions # # From Paul Eggert <eggert(a)twinsun.com> (1996-08-05): # # This file contains a table with the following columns: # 1. ISO 3166 2-character country code. See the file `iso3166.tab'. # 2. Latitude and longitude of the zone's principal location # in ISO 6709 sign-degrees-minutes-seconds format, # either +-DDMM+-DDDMM or +-DDMMSS+-DDDMMSS, # first latitude (+ is north), then longitude (+ is east). # 3. Zone name used in value of TZ environment variable. # 4. Comments; present if and only if the country has multiple rows. # # Columns are separated by a single tab. # The table is sorted first by country, then an order within the country that # (1) makes some geographical sense, and # (2) puts the most populous zones first, where that does not contradict (1). # # Lines beginning with `#' are comments. # #country- #code coordinates TZ comments AD +4230+00131 Europe/Andorra AE +2518+05518 Asia/Dubai AF +3431+06912 Asia/Kabul AG +1703-06148 America/Antigua AI +1812-06304 America/Anguilla AL +4120+01950 Europe/Tirane AM +4011+04430 Asia/Yerevan AN +1211-06900 America/Curacao AO -0848+01314 Africa/Luanda AQ -7750+16636 Antarctica/McMurdo McMurdo Station, Ross Island AQ -9000+00000 Antarctica/South_Pole Amundsen-Scott Station, South Pole AQ -6448-06406 Antarctica/Palmer Palmer Station, Anvers Island AQ -6736+06253 Antarctica/Mawson Mawson Station, Holme Bay AQ -6835+07758 Antarctica/Davis Davis Station, Vestfold Hills AQ -6617+11031 Antarctica/Casey Casey Station, Bailey Peninsula AQ -6640+14001 Antarctica/DumontDUrville Dumont-d'Urville Base, Terre Adelie AQ -690022+0393524 Antarctica/Syowa Syowa Station, E Ongul I AR -3436-05827 America/Buenos_Aires E Argentina (BA, DF, SC, TF) AR -3257-06040 America/Rosario NE Argentina (SF, ER, CN, MN, CC, FM, LP, CH) AR -3124-06411 America/Cordoba W Argentina (CB, SA, TM, LR, SJ, SL, NQ, RN) AR -2411-06518 America/Jujuy Jujuy (JY) AR -2828-06547 America/Catamarca Catamarca (CT) AR -3253-06849 America/Mendoza Mendoza (MZ) AS -1416-17042 Pacific/Pago_Pago AT +4813+01620 Europe/Vienna AU -3133+15905 Australia/Lord_Howe Lord Howe Island AU -4253+14719 Australia/Hobart Tasmania AU -3749+14458 Australia/Melbourne Victoria AU -3352+15113 Australia/Sydney New South Wales - most locations AU -3157+14127 Australia/Broken_Hill New South Wales - Broken Hill AU -2728+15302 Australia/Brisbane Queensland - most locations AU -2016+14900 Australia/Lindeman Queensland - Holiday Islands AU -3455+13835 Australia/Adelaide South Australia AU -1228+13050 Australia/Darwin Northern Territory AU -3157+11551 Australia/Perth Western Australia AW +1230-06858 America/Aruba AZ +4023+04951 Asia/Baku BA +4352+01825 Europe/Sarajevo BB +1306-05937 America/Barbados BD +2343+09025 Asia/Dacca BE +5050+00420 Europe/Brussels BF +1222-00131 Africa/Ouagadougou BG +4241+02319 Europe/Sofia BH +2623+05035 Asia/Bahrain BI -0323+02922 Africa/Bujumbura BJ +0629+00237 Africa/Porto-Novo BM +3217-06446 Atlantic/Bermuda BN +0456+11455 Asia/Brunei BO -1630-06809 America/La_Paz BR -0351-03225 America/Noronha Fernando de Noronha BR -0127-04829 America/Belem Amapa, E Para BR -0343-03830 America/Fortaleza NE Brazil (MA, PI, CE, RN, PR, PE) BR -0712-04812 America/Araguaina Tocantins BR -0940-03543 America/Maceio Alagoas, Sergipe BR -2332-04637 America/Sao_Paulo S & SE Brazil (BA, GO, DF, MG, ES, RJ, SP, PR, SC, RS) BR -1535-05605 America/Cuiaba Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do Sul BR -0846-06354 America/Porto_Velho W Para, Rondonia BR +0249-06040 America/Boa_Vista Roraima BR -0308-06001 America/Manaus Amazonas BR -0934-06731 America/Porto_Acre Acre BS +2505-07721 America/Nassau BT +2728+08939 Asia/Thimbu BW -2545+02555 Africa/Gaborone BY +5354+02734 Europe/Minsk BZ +1730-08812 America/Belize CA +4734-05243 America/St_Johns Newfoundland Island CA +4439-06336 America/Halifax Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia (most places), NB, W Labrador, E Quebec & PEI CA +4612-05957 America/Glace_Bay Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia - places that did not observe DST 1966-1971 CA +5320-06025 America/Goose_Bay Atlantic Time - E Labrador CA +4531-07334 America/Montreal Eastern Time - Ontario & Quebec - most locations CA +4901-08816 America/Nipigon Eastern Time - Ontario & Quebec - places that did not observe DST 1967-1973 CA +4823-08915 America/Thunder_Bay Eastern Time - Thunder Bay, Ontario CA +4953-09709 America/Winnipeg Central Time - Manitoba & west Ontario CA +4843-09429 America/Rainy_River Central Time - Rainy River & Fort Frances, Ontario CA +6608-06544 America/Pangnirtung Central Time - Pangnirtung, Nunavut CA +6344-06828 America/Iqaluit Central Time - east Nunavut CA +6245-09210 America/Rankin_Inlet Central Time - central Nunavut CA +6903-10505 America/Cambridge_Bay Central Time - west Nunavut CA +5024-10439 America/Regina Central Standard Time - Saskatchewan - most locations CA +5017-10750 America/Swift_Current Central Standard Time - Saskatchewan - midwest CA +5333-11328 America/Edmonton Mountain Time - Alberta, east British Columbia & west Saskatchewan CA +6227-11421 America/Yellowknife Mountain Time - central Northwest Territories CA +6825-11330 America/Inuvik Mountain Time - west Northwest Territories CA +5946-12014 America/Dawson_Creek Mountain Standard Time - Dawson Creek & Fort Saint John, British Columbia CA +4916-12307 America/Vancouver Pacific Time - west British Columbia CA +6043-13503 America/Whitehorse Pacific Time - south Yukon CA +6404-13925 America/Dawson Pacific Time - north Yukon CC -1210+09655 Indian/Cocos CD -0418+01518 Africa/Kinshasa west Dem. Rep. of Congo CD -1140+02728 Africa/Lubumbashi east Dem. Rep. of Congo CF +0422+01835 Africa/Bangui CG -0416+01517 Africa/Brazzaville CH +4723+00832 Europe/Zurich CI +0519-00402 Africa/Abidjan CK -2114-15946 Pacific/Rarotonga CL -3327-07040 America/Santiago mainland CL -2710-10927 Pacific/Easter Easter Island CM +0403+00942 Africa/Douala CN +4545+12641 Asia/Harbin north Manchuria CN +3114+12128 Asia/Shanghai China coast CN +2934+10635 Asia/Chungking China mountains CN +4348+08735 Asia/Urumqi Tibet & Xinjiang CN +3929+07559 Asia/Kashgar Eastern Turkestan CO +0436-07405 America/Bogota CR +0956-08405 America/Costa_Rica CU +2308-08222 America/Havana CV +1455-02331 Atlantic/Cape_Verde CX -1025+10543 Indian/Christmas CY +3510+03322 Asia/Nicosia CZ +5005+01426 Europe/Prague DE +5230+01322 Europe/Berlin DJ +1136+04309 Africa/Djibouti DK +5540+01235 Europe/Copenhagen DM +1518-06124 America/Dominica DO +1828-06954 America/Santo_Domingo DZ +3647+00303 Africa/Algiers EC -0210-07950 America/Guayaquil mainland EC -0054-08936 Pacific/Galapagos Galapagos Islands EE +5925+02445 Europe/Tallinn EG +3003+03115 Africa/Cairo EH +2709-01312 Africa/El_Aaiun ER +1520+03853 Africa/Asmera ES +4024-00341 Europe/Madrid mainland ES +3553-00519 Africa/Ceuta Ceuta & Melilla ES +2806-01524 Atlantic/Canary Canary Islands ET +0902+03842 Africa/Addis_Ababa FI +6010+02458 Europe/Helsinki FJ -1808+17825 Pacific/Fiji FK -5142-05751 Atlantic/Stanley FM +0931+13808 Pacific/Yap Yap FM +0725+15147 Pacific/Truk Truk (Chuuk) FM +0658+15813 Pacific/Ponape Ponape (Pohnpei) FM +0519+16259 Pacific/Kosrae Kosrae FO +6201-00646 Atlantic/Faeroe FR +4852+00220 Europe/Paris GA +0023+00927 Africa/Libreville GB +512830-0001845 Europe/London Great Britain GB +5435-00555 Europe/Belfast Northern Ireland GD +1203-06145 America/Grenada GE +4143+04449 Asia/Tbilisi GF +0456-05220 America/Cayenne GH +0533-00013 Africa/Accra GI +3608-00521 Europe/Gibraltar GL +7030-02215 America/Scoresbysund east Greenland GL +6411-05144 America/Godthab southwest Greenland GL +7634-06847 America/Thule northwest Greenland GM +1328-01639 Africa/Banjul GN +0931-01343 Africa/Conakry GP +1614-06132 America/Guadeloupe GQ +0345+00847 Africa/Malabo GR +3758+02343 Europe/Athens GS -5416-03632 Atlantic/South_Georgia GT +1438-09031 America/Guatemala GU +1328+14445 Pacific/Guam GW +1151-01535 Africa/Bissau GY +0648-05810 America/Guyana HK +2217+11409 Asia/Hong_Kong HN +1406-08713 America/Tegucigalpa HR +4548+01558 Europe/Zagreb HT +1832-07220 America/Port-au-Prince HU +4730+01905 Europe/Budapest ID -0610+10648 Asia/Jakarta Java & Sumatra ID -0507+11924 Asia/Ujung_Pandang Borneo & Celebes ID -0232+14042 Asia/Jayapura Irian Jaya & the Moluccas IE +5320-00615 Europe/Dublin IL +3146+03514 Asia/Jerusalem IN +2232+08822 Asia/Calcutta IO -0720+07225 Indian/Chagos IQ +3321+04425 Asia/Baghdad IR +3540+05126 Asia/Tehran IS +6409-02151 Atlantic/Reykjavik IT +4154+01229 Europe/Rome JM +1800-07648 America/Jamaica JO +3157+03556 Asia/Amman JP +353916+1394441 Asia/Tokyo KE -0117+03649 Africa/Nairobi KG +4254+07436 Asia/Bishkek KH +1133+10455 Asia/Phnom_Penh KI +0125+17300 Pacific/Tarawa Gilbert Islands KI -0308-17105 Pacific/Enderbury Phoenix Islands KI +0152-15720 Pacific/Kiritimati Line Islands KM -1141+04316 Indian/Comoro KN +1718-06243 America/St_Kitts KP +3901+12545 Asia/Pyongyang KR +3733+12658 Asia/Seoul KW +2920+04759 Asia/Kuwait KY +1918-08123 America/Cayman KZ +4315+07657 Asia/Almaty east Kazakhstan KZ +5017+05710 Asia/Aqtobe central Kazakhstan KZ +4431+05016 Asia/Aqtau west Kazakhstan LA +1758+10236 Asia/Vientiane LB +3353+03530 Asia/Beirut LC +1401-06100 America/St_Lucia LI +4709+00931 Europe/Vaduz LK +0656+07951 Asia/Colombo LR +0618-01047 Africa/Monrovia LS -2928+02730 Africa/Maseru LT +5441+02519 Europe/Vilnius LU +4936+00609 Europe/Luxembourg LV +5657+02406 Europe/Riga LY +3254+01311 Africa/Tripoli MA +3339-00735 Africa/Casablanca MC +4342+00723 Europe/Monaco MD +4700+02850 Europe/Chisinau most locations MD +4651+02938 Europe/Tiraspol Transdniestria MG -1855+04731 Indian/Antananarivo MH +0709+17112 Pacific/Majuro most locations MH +0905+16720 Pacific/Kwajalein Kwajalein MK +4159+02126 Europe/Skopje ML +1239-00800 Africa/Bamako southwest Mali ML +1446-00301 Africa/Timbuktu northeast Mali MM +1647+09610 Asia/Rangoon MN +4755+10653 Asia/Ulaanbaatar most locations MN +4801+09139 Asia/Hovd Bayan-Olgiy, Hovd, Uvs MO +2214+11335 Asia/Macao MP +1512+14545 Pacific/Saipan MQ +1436-06105 America/Martinique MR +1806-01557 Africa/Nouakchott MS +1644-06213 America/Montserrat MT +3554+01431 Europe/Malta MU -2010+05730 Indian/Mauritius MV +0410+07330 Indian/Maldives MW -1547+03500 Africa/Blantyre MX +1924-09909 America/Mexico_City Central Time - most locations MX +2105-08646 America/Cancun Central Time - Quintana Roo MX +2058-08937 America/Merida Central Time - Campeche, Yucatan MX +2540-10019 America/Monterrey Central Time - Coahuila, Durango, Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas MX +2313-10625 America/Mazatlan Mountain Time - S Baja, Nayarit, Sinaloa MX +2838-10605 America/Chihuahua Mountain Time - Chihuahua MX +2904-11058 America/Hermosillo Mountain Standard Time - Sonora MX +3232-11701 America/Tijuana Pacific Time MY +0310+10142 Asia/Kuala_Lumpur peninsular Malaysia MY +0133+11020 Asia/Kuching Sabah & Sarawak MZ -2558+03235 Africa/Maputo NA -2234+01706 Africa/Windhoek NC -2216+16530 Pacific/Noumea NE +1331+00207 Africa/Niamey NF -2903+16758 Pacific/Norfolk NG +0627+00324 Africa/Lagos NI +1209-08617 America/Managua NL +5222+00454 Europe/Amsterdam NO +5955+01045 Europe/Oslo NP +2743+08519 Asia/Katmandu NR -0031+16655 Pacific/Nauru NU -1901+16955 Pacific/Niue NZ -3652+17446 Pacific/Auckland most locations NZ -4355-17630 Pacific/Chatham Chatham Islands OM +2336+05835 Asia/Muscat PA +0858-07932 America/Panama PE -1203-07703 America/Lima PF -1732-14934 Pacific/Tahiti Society Islands PF -0900-13930 Pacific/Marquesas Marquesas Islands PF -2308-13457 Pacific/Gambier Gambier Islands PG -0930+14710 Pacific/Port_Moresby PH +1435+12100 Asia/Manila PK +2452+06703 Asia/Karachi PL +5215+02100 Europe/Warsaw PM +4703-05620 America/Miquelon PN -2504-13005 Pacific/Pitcairn PR +182806-0660622 America/Puerto_Rico PS +3130+03428 Asia/Gaza PT +3843-00908 Europe/Lisbon mainland PT +3238-01654 Atlantic/Madeira Madeira Islands PT +3744-02540 Atlantic/Azores Azores PW +0720+13429 Pacific/Palau PY -2516-05740 America/Asuncion QA +2517+05132 Asia/Qatar RE -2052+05528 Indian/Reunion RO +4426+02606 Europe/Bucharest RU +5443+02030 Europe/Kaliningrad Moscow-01 - Kaliningrad RU +5545+03735 Europe/Moscow Moscow+00 - west Russia RU +5312+05009 Europe/Samara Moscow+01 - Caspian Sea RU +5651+06036 Asia/Yekaterinburg Moscow+02 - Urals RU +5500+07324 Asia/Omsk Moscow+03 - west Siberia RU +5502+08255 Asia/Novosibirsk Moscow+03 - Novosibirsk RU +5601+09250 Asia/Krasnoyarsk Moscow+04 - Yenisei River RU +5216+10420 Asia/Irkutsk Moscow+05 - Lake Baikal RU +6200+12940 Asia/Yakutsk Moscow+06 - Lena River RU +4310+13156 Asia/Vladivostok Moscow+07 - Amur River RU +5934+15048 Asia/Magadan Moscow+08 - Magadan & Sakhalin RU +5301+15839 Asia/Kamchatka Moscow+09 - Kamchatka RU +6445+17729 Asia/Anadyr Moscow+10 - Bering Sea RW -0157+03004 Africa/Kigali SA +2438+04643 Asia/Riyadh SB -0932+16012 Pacific/Guadalcanal SC -0440+05528 Indian/Mahe SD +1536+03232 Africa/Khartoum SE +5920+01803 Europe/Stockholm SG +0117+10351 Asia/Singapore SH -1555-00542 Atlantic/St_Helena SI +4603+01431 Europe/Ljubljana SJ +7800+01600 Arctic/Longyearbyen Svalbard SJ +7059-00805 Atlantic/Jan_Mayen Jan Mayen SK +4809+01707 Europe/Bratislava SL +0830-01315 Africa/Freetown SM +4355+01228 Europe/San_Marino SN +1440-01726 Africa/Dakar SO +0204+04522 Africa/Mogadishu SR +0550-05510 America/Paramaribo ST +0020+00644 Africa/Sao_Tome SV +1342-08912 America/El_Salvador SY +3330+03618 Asia/Damascus SZ -2618+03106 Africa/Mbabane TC +2128-07108 America/Grand_Turk TD +1207+01503 Africa/Ndjamena TF -492110+0701303 Indian/Kerguelen TG +0608+00113 Africa/Lome TH +1345+10031 Asia/Bangkok TJ +3835+06848 Asia/Dushanbe TK -0922-17114 Pacific/Fakaofo TM +3757+05823 Asia/Ashkhabad TN +3648+01011 Africa/Tunis TO -2110+17510 Pacific/Tongatapu TP -0833+12535 Asia/Dili TR +4101+02858 Europe/Istanbul TT +1039-06131 America/Port_of_Spain TV -0831+17913 Pacific/Funafuti TW +2503+12130 Asia/Taipei TZ -0648+03917 Africa/Dar_es_Salaam UA +5026+03031 Europe/Kiev most locations UA +4837+02218 Europe/Uzhgorod Ruthenia UA +4750+03510 Europe/Zaporozhye Zaporozh'ye, E Lugansk UA +4457+03406 Europe/Simferopol central Crimea UG +0019+03225 Africa/Kampala UM +1700-16830 Pacific/Johnston Johnston Atoll UM +2813-17722 Pacific/Midway Midway Islands UM +1917+16637 Pacific/Wake Wake Island US +404251-0740023 America/New_York Eastern Time US +421953-0830245 America/Detroit Eastern Time - Michigan - most locations US +381515-0854534 America/Louisville Eastern Time - Louisville, Kentucky US +394606-0860929 America/Indianapolis Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - most locations US +382232-0862041 America/Indiana/Marengo Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Crawford County US +411745-0863730 America/Indiana/Knox Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Starke County US +384452-0850402 America/Indiana/Vevay Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Switzerland County US +415100-0873900 America/Chicago Central Time US +450628-0873651 America/Menominee Central Time - Michigan - Wisconsin border US +394421-1045903 America/Denver Mountain Time US +433649-1161209 America/Boise Mountain Time - south Idaho & east Oregon US +364708-1084111 America/Shiprock Mountain Time - Navajo US +332654-1120424 America/Phoenix Mountain Standard Time - Arizona US +340308-1181434 America/Los_Angeles Pacific Time US +611305-1495401 America/Anchorage Alaska Time US +581807-1342511 America/Juneau Alaska Time - Alaska panhandle US +593249-1394338 America/Yakutat Alaska Time - Alaska panhandle neck US +643004-1652423 America/Nome Alaska Time - west Alaska US +515248-1763929 America/Adak Aleutian Islands US +211825-1575130 Pacific/Honolulu Hawaii UY -3453-05611 America/Montevideo UZ +3940+06648 Asia/Samarkand west Uzbekistan UZ +4120+06918 Asia/Tashkent east Uzbekistan VA +4154+01227 Europe/Vatican VC +1309-06114 America/St_Vincent VE +1030-06656 America/Caracas VG +1827-06437 America/Tortola VI +1821-06456 America/St_Thomas VN +1045+10640 Asia/Saigon VU -1740+16825 Pacific/Efate WF -1318-17610 Pacific/Wallis WS -1350-17144 Pacific/Apia YE +1245+04512 Asia/Aden YT -1247+04514 Indian/Mayotte YU +4450+02030 Europe/Belgrade ZA -2615+02800 Africa/Johannesburg ZM -1525+02817 Africa/Lusaka ZW -1750+03103 Africa/Harare Jesper Nørgaard Email: jnorgard(a)Prodigy.Net.mx Programador/Analista CIMMYT - Centro Internacional de Mejoramiento de Maíz y Trigo Dirección: CIMMYT, Lisboa 27, 06600 Mexico, D.F. Tel.: +52 (5) 58-04-20-04 ext. 1374 Fax: +52 (5) 58-04-75-58 Tel. Casa: 53-10-05-95 ó 53-10-97-78 CIMMYT home page: http://cimmyt.cgiar.org Check out my Time Zone Converter: http://timezone50.homepage.com ---------- From: Nexo Informática[SMTP:nexo@ilhanet.com.br] Sent: Viernes 15 de Septiembre de 2000 15.29 To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: New in list <<File: ATT00000.htm>> Dear Friends, I'm new in this list and I'm look for some information. tz database is only time zone and daylight saving database or it also covers latitude and longitude of cities? where I can find latitude and longitude information of cities of the your, mainly some updated database. Thanks in advance, Floriano Caldeira from Brazil

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Re: Fw: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Yiango Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

> Yiango, do you have any references to quote to the contrary? First of all I'd like to apologize for the somewhat slow reply. I've asked a friend (an other fellow Cypriot, Alexia Galati) to help out, and she very kindly spent some time at the library looking up information to re-enforce my original request that Cyprus should be listed under Europe instead of Asia. There is no doubt that indeed Cyprus in numerous locations is listed as being in Asia. This became especially more evident to me after reading Gwillim Law's reply. I'd still like a shot at convincing you guys to the contrary, even if my attempts end up being futile. A few relevant references are the following: - In the Readers' digest, Atlas of the World (1999), Cyprus and Turkey are included in the political map of Europe. (However this does not totally debunk your argument since it is also included in the Asian map). My point in mentioning this is that the evidence that you have presented is far from conclusive. - Cyprus is also included in "the political map of Europe in 1999" which is presented in the list of tables of the book "Nationalizing and Denationalising European Border Regions, 1800-2000: Views from Geography and History" ed. by Hands Knippenberg and Jan Markusse. I realise that the tz archive should actually be following "standard geographical practice" but is it not wrong to ignore basic facts such as Cyprus' participation in the European arena? Cyprus is politically, culturally and historically part of Europe and participates in most of its institutions (it has been a full member of the Council of Europe since 1961). How about Cyprus' potential future admission into the EU? At least on the Greek side, one could claim how the Greek-cypriot community upholds the Greek culture, language and religion that are undoubtably European (they are in fact the predescents of many aspects of European culture itself). Even the Turkish-cypriot community, although of Anatolian origin, has a claim over European identity proved by a) the fact there's a lot of cultural convergence between Greek and Turkish Cypriots and b) Turkey's endeavors to become an EU member. Though I'm definately not an expert in this subject, how could one prove that the existing boundaries are conclusive? From the Yearbook of European Studies (V6), ed. by J.Th.Leersen and M. Van Montfrans, 1993; there's an interesting article called "Political and Mental Borders" by Alexandru Dutu (who's President of the Center for South-East European studies at Bucharest). Here's a lovely quote: "Borders usually take shape in political circles and result from the talks among political representatives of the major powers. But politicians always pay attention to how people establish their identity and define "the others". Borders result from our need to settle limits to space and time and to discover ourselves in the "others": their roots are to be found in the world of imagination...It would be wrong to seperate "real" from "imaginary" borders, since frontiers are the products of our thought, feeling and imagination." With the above quotation, I'd like to contest the legitimacy and validity of purely geographical frontiers that are used in segmenting the globe (because frontiers are in themselves imaginary, determined on the negotiation table of political powers, etc.). I, therefore, do not wish to categorize Cyprus on the basis of cartographic evidence (as it could actually be really hard to prove that Cyprus is not also a part of Asia -- but we are nevertheless also presented as being a part of Europe in various references.) Regards, Yiango Yiangoullis

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Continents in tz database? (was: Cyprus)
by Janis.Papanagnou＠varetis.de Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

What is the practical necessity to support continent information with the tz database entries ? Are there any ambiguities otherwise, or is it just a historical convention ? Is it continent information at all ? Besides the continents you find also tags like Pacific and Atlantic in it, so I assume the main reason is to have some impression where this zone is. Inspecting the tz files it seems to me that this information is not necessarily needed, because the entries can be distinguished by the city name unambiguously. If that would not be the case I'd add the country. My understanding is that timezones are bound to countries and their legislation, while continents are mainly geologically defined. Removing continent information would remove the somewhat political question with Cyprus. If continent information is considered necessary in the tz database, then, from a practical point of view, I assume Cyprus would better fit in the European/EU sector - occasionally the same for Turkey in the future -, because of the orientation towards the EU. With the political, religious, social and cultural background of Cyprus, it would never come to my mind to search for Cyprus in Asia, Africa, or elsewhere. But that's just me :-) Janis --- Janis Papanagnou Janis.P(a)beer.com

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