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Re: Update: Proposed Shortening of Daylight Savings Time [Israel 2002]
by Ephraim Silverberg July 25, 2002

July 25, 2002

Thanks go to Yitschak Goldberg from E&M for bringing this (Hebrew) article to my attention: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2019315,00.html. Hence, the proposal to shorten DST was withdrawn yesterday and the timezone files that have been in effect since July 2000 are still valid for all of 2002. Please note that the article mentions that the Shas MK's intend to bring up their amendment for future years (2003 and beyond). What this means exactly is anyone's guess since there are no set dates yet beyond 2004 and the end day set for 2003 and 2004 is already the 7th of Tishrei (i.e. before the fast of Yom Kippur). The only thing they may want to change is the start date of DST in 2003 from Mar.28.03 (24th of Adar II) to Apr.18.03 (16th of Nisan) so that the Passover Seder will take place during Standard Time. The start date for 2004 is already Nisan 16th. Reference: ftp://ftp.cs.huji.ac.il/pub/tz/announcements/2000-2004.ps.gz ___________________________________________________________________________ Ephraim Silverberg, CSE System Group, Phone number: 972-2-6585521 Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel. Fax number: 972-2-5617723 WWW: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~ephraim E-mail: ephraim(a)cse.huji.ac.il Return-Path: <eric(a)bron.demon.nl> Received: from smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.138]) by lecserver.nci.nih.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6UFirmD021140 for <tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov>; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list1.xs4all.nl (list1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g6UFiqxO091869; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:44:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from a80-127-247-217.dial.xs4all.nl (a80-127-247-217.dial.xs4all.nl [80.127.247.217]) by list1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14759; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 17:46:55 +0200 From: Eric Bronder <eric(a)bron.demon.nl> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Reply-To: Eric Bronder <eric(a)bron.demon.nl> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <5728851704.20020730174655(a)bron.demon.nl> To: tz(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov CC: nor(a)htmlcompendium.org Subject: Timezone offset for BOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO LS, I'm not sure if it's an error on htmlcompendium.org only, but bolivia time BOT should be -0400 and not +0800. As stated on the web site mentioned above I send you this message with a CC to htmlcompendium. Greetings, Eric Bronder

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broken link
by Bill Purchase July 16, 2002

July 16, 2002

You have a link to the astrocom.com atlas software page. The link has changed, and should properly point to pcatlas.php rather than pcatlas.html Thanks Bill Purchase ACS Web Services 858-492-9919 x146

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FW: Proposed Shortening of Daylight Savings Time [Israel 2002]
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) July 15, 2002

July 15, 2002

Steve Summit is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Steve Summit [mailto:scs@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 4:45 PM To: tz(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov Cc: scs(a)eskimo.com Subject: Re: Proposed Shortening of Daylight Savings Time [Israel 2002] A few days ago, this snippet passed my way, which I'm sure the members of the tz list are already familiar with: > While today the Knesset passed the initial proposal to reduce DST > by some three weeks, a new compromise is being worked out between > Minister of Justice Meir Sheetrit and Minister of Interior Eli Yishai > to revert to standard time for a period of 48-96 _hours_ (sic) around > the Yom Kippur fast day (September 15-16) and then go *back* to DST > until the end of October. The details of the proposal have yet to be > worked out, but the second and final readings of the bill have until > July 24 to pass. That announcement prompted this reflection: I've occasionally wondered how much the deployment of our favorite tz package was slowed (back before it was as widespread as it is now, that is) by a perception that it was overkill. "Yes, there have been some historical quirks with time zones and DST in the past, and we used to be at the mercy of lawmakers who didn't know better, but now that everyone knows what a bad idea irregular times are, surely there won't be any more of them going forward, so we can use a minimal, compiled-in table of the historical quirks, and avoid all of these dynamically-loaded tables and associated overhead." If the 48-96 hour version of the Israeli bill passes, I'm thinking that Arthur David Olsen ought to get the Turing Award. 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The proposal did not make it to the Knesset in time for its summer recess (starting today). Since the recess is over at the beginning of October, in order to end DST before September 16, a special session of the Knesset Committee (where the proposal is currently stuck), the Interior Ministry Committee (the next stage) and the Knesset itself would be required to change the end date for 2002. However, the office in the Interior Ministry that deals with DST says that this is probably what is going to happen. Meanwhile, the end date for the 2002 DST remains 1 a.m., October 7, 2002. ___________________________________________________________________________ Ephraim Silverberg, CSE System Group, Phone number: 972-2-6585521 Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel. 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Re: Proposed Shortening of Daylight Savings Time [Israel 2002]
by Steve Summit July 13, 2002

July 13, 2002

A few days ago, this snippet passed my way, which I'm sure the members of the tz list are already familiar with: > While today the Knesset passed the initial proposal to reduce DST > by some three weeks, a new compromise is being worked out between > Minister of Justice Meir Sheetrit and Minister of Interior Eli Yishai > to revert to standard time for a period of 48-96 _hours_ (sic) around > the Yom Kippur fast day (September 15-16) and then go *back* to DST > until the end of October. The details of the proposal have yet to be > worked out, but the second and final readings of the bill have until > July 24 to pass. That announcement prompted this reflection: I've occasionally wondered how much the deployment of our favorite tz package was slowed (back before it was as widespread as it is now, that is) by a perception that it was overkill. "Yes, there have been some historical quirks with time zones and DST in the past, and we used to be at the mercy of lawmakers who didn't know better, but now that everyone knows what a bad idea irregular times are, surely there won't be any more of them going forward, so we can use a minimal, compiled-in table of the historical quirks, and avoid all of these dynamically-loaded tables and associated overhead." If the 48-96 hour version of the Israeli bill passes, I'm thinking that Arthur David Olsen ought to get the Turing Award.

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FW: Proposed Shortening of Daylight Savings Time [Israel 2002]
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) July 8, 2002

July 8, 2002

Ephraim is on the time zone mailing list, but at a different address than below. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Ephraim Silverberg [mailto:ephraim@cse.huji.ac.il] Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 8:09 AM To: machba-l(a)listserv.ac.il Cc: tz(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: Proposed Shortening of Daylight Savings Time [Israel 2002] The Israeli government today adopted a proposal by Minister of Interior Eli Yishai to shorten the period of Daylight Savings Time for the year 2002 (only -- the dates for 2003 and 2004 are, so far, unaffected). The proposed date to Daylight Savings Time is September 13, 2002 instead of the current date: October 7, 2002. The hour of changeover has not yet been decided. However, both the date and the proposal to change the ending time are not final until they receive Knesset approval since they have to override the law passed in July 2000. I will make another announcement to the list when there is a concrete date and when the proposal passes both the Ministry of Interior Knesset Committee and the Knesset plenum. ___________________________________________________________________________ Ephraim Silverberg, CSE System Group, Phone number: 972-2-6585521 Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel. Fax number: 972-2-5617723 WWW: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~ephraim E-mail: ephraim(a)cse.huji.ac.il Return-Path: <ephraim(a)cs.huji.ac.il> Received: from cse.cs.huji.ac.il (cse.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.30]) by lecserver.nci.nih.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6ADqYoW028485 for <tz(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov>; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from control.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.33] ident=mail) by cse.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 17SHtK-000EXl-00; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:52:26 +0300 Received: from ephraim by control.cs.huji.ac.il with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 17SGvs-0000ll-00; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:51:00 +0300 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:51:00 +0300 (IDT) From: Ephraim Silverberg <ephraim(a)cs.huji.ac.il> To: machba-l(a)LISTSERV.AC.IL cc: "List Time Zone (E-mail)" <tz(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov> Subject: Re: Proposed Shortening of Daylight Savings Time [Israel 2002] In-Reply-To: <CFC0DFECD5F33B46A67BAD80B618EEA15AA94D(a)nihexchange2.nih.gov> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20_heb2.08.0207101537460.2923-100000(a)control.cs.huji.ac.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Olson, Arthur David (NCI) wrote: > The Israeli government today adopted a proposal by Minister of Interior > Eli Yishai to shorten the period of Daylight Savings Time for the year > 2002 (only -- the dates for 2003 and 2004 are, so far, unaffected). > > The proposed date to Daylight Savings Time is September 13, 2002 instead > of the current date: October 7, 2002.The hour of changeover has not > yet been decided. While today the Knesset passed the initial proposal to reduce DST by some three weeks, a new compromise is being worked out between Minister of Justice Meir Sheetrit and Minister of Interior Eli Yishai to revert to standard time for a period of 48-96 _hours_ (sic) around the Yom Kippur fast day (September 15-16) and then go *back* to DST until the end of October. The details of the proposal have yet to be worked out, but the second and final readings of the bill have until July 24 to pass. Needless to say, multiple change dates cannot be programmed into some of the types of TZ files that exist. Sigh. Stay tuned. ___________________________________________________________________________ Ephraim Silverberg, CSE System Group, Phone number: 972-2-6585521 Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel. Fax number: 972-2-5617723 WWW: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~ephraim E-mail: ephraim(a)cse.huji.ac.il Return-Path: <> Received: from spf12.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-36.outblaze.com [205.158.62.36]) by lecserver.nci.nih.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6ADs3oW028925 for <tz-request(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov>; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost) by spf12.us4.outblaze.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/us4-yg) id g6ADrvBm004358; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:57 GMT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:57 GMT From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> Message-Id: <200207101353.g6ADrvBm004358(a)spf12.us4.outblaze.com> To: <tz-request(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="g6ADrvBm004358.1026309237/spf12.us4.outblaze.com" Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --g6ADrvBm004358.1026309237/spf12.us4.outblaze.com The original message was received at Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:55 GMT from 205-158-62-26.outblaze.com [205.158.62.26] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <yiango(a)iname-com.programmer.net> (reason: 552 recipient storage full, try again later) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mta1.us4.outblaze.com.: >>> DATA <<< 552 recipient storage full, try again later 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable <<< 503 RCPT first (#5.5.1) --g6ADrvBm004358.1026309237/spf12.us4.outblaze.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; spf12.us4.outblaze.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; 205-158-62-26.outblaze.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:55 GMT Final-Recipient: RFC822; yiango(a)iname-com.programmer.net Action: failed Status: 5.2.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.us4.outblaze.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 552 recipient storage full, try again later Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:57 GMT --g6ADrvBm004358.1026309237/spf12.us4.outblaze.com Content-Type: text/rfc822-headers Return-Path: <tz-request(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov> Received: from spf4.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-26.outblaze.com [205.158.62.26]) by spf12.us4.outblaze.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/us4-yg) with ESMTP id g6ADrtBm004178 for <yiango(a)iname-com.programmer.net>; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:55 GMT Received: from kafka.net.nih.gov (kafka.net.nih.gov [165.112.130.10]) by spf4.us4.outblaze.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6ADrsGK032142 for <yiango(a)programmer.net>; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:53:55 GMT Received: from lecserver.nci.nih.gov (lecserver.nci.nih.gov [137.187.215.78]) by kafka.net.nih.gov (/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g6ADrE4V020567; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lecserver.nci.nih.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lecserver.nci.nih.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6ADr7oW028804; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ado@localhost) by lecserver.nci.nih.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6ADqoDc028710; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:52:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: lecserver.nci.nih.gov: ado set sender to tz-request(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov using -f Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:51:00 +0300 (IDT) From: Ephraim Silverberg <ephraim(a)cs.huji.ac.il> To: machba-l(a)LISTSERV.AC.IL cc: "List Time Zone (E-mail)" <tz(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov> Subject: Re: Proposed Shortening of Daylight Savings Time [Israel 2002] In-Reply-To: <CFC0DFECD5F33B46A67BAD80B618EEA15AA94D(a)nihexchange2.nih.gov> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20_heb2.08.0207101537460.2923-100000(a)control.cs.huji.ac.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <"Hyi1m.A.P9G.lwDL9"@lecserver> Resent-From: tz(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov X-Mailing-List: <tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov> archive/latest/1487 X-Loop: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov Precedence: list Resent-Sender: tz-request(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov --g6ADrvBm004358.1026309237/spf12.us4.outblaze.com--

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Proposed Shortening of Daylight Savings Time [Israel 2002]
by Ephraim Silverberg July 7, 2002

July 7, 2002

The Israeli government today adopted a proposal by Minister of Interior Eli Yishai to shorten the period of Daylight Savings Time for the year 2002 (only -- the dates for 2003 and 2004 are, so far, unaffected). The proposed date to Daylight Savings Time is September 13, 2002 instead of the current date: October 7, 2002. The hour of changeover has not yet been decided. However, both the date and the proposal to change the ending time are not final until they receive Knesset approval since they have to override the law passed in July 2000. I will make another announcement to the list when there is a concrete date and when the proposal passes both the Ministry of Interior Knesset Committee and the Knesset plenum. ___________________________________________________________________________ Ephraim Silverberg, CSE System Group, Phone number: 972-2-6585521 Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel. Fax number: 972-2-5617723 WWW: http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~ephraim E-mail: ephraim(a)cse.huji.ac.il

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Obtaining offset given location string (via library call?)
by Clark C . Evans July 3, 2002

July 3, 2002

Hello. I'm looking for a "C" function I can call (ideally from Python, but I can write a wrapper) which returns for me the current offset from UTC given one of the location strings, such as "Australia/Sydney". Any ideas? I was very hopeful with "zdump" however what I need is the offset (yes, I could probably hack the offset from the output of zdump) and further, I'd rather not have to start a new process to obtain this information, thus having it in library form would be perfect. Thank you so much! Clark

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FW: National Imagery and Mapping Agency
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) June 28, 2002

June 28, 2002

Daniel F. Howard is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Howard, Daniel F. [mailto:HowardDF@nima.mil] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:49 PM To: 'tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov' Subject: National Imagery and Mapping Agency FYI- Recieved report from Hydrographic and Oceanographic service of the Navy of Chile Official time zone changes as follows: saturday March 9, 2002 At 2400 Official Continental Chile and Chiean and Anartic Territory adjust clocks to 2300, adopting ZT+4. Same day AT 2200 Official time of Western Insular Chile, adjust clocks to 2100, adopting ZT+6. Daniel Howard 301-227-3180 NIMA

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Question concerning Daylight Saving Time in the Bahamas
by John Griswold June 23, 2002

June 23, 2002

Hi,, I have been reading the Daylight Saving Time tables (at http://stat.tamu.edu/ftp/usr/share/lib/zoneinfo/northamerica) that are on the internet and saw your email address. I am doing some research on the Bahamas. Am I correct in my reading of the tables for North America that the Bahamas were not observing Daylight Saving Time in 1959? It seems that the table is saying that the Bahamas did not observe it until 1964. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. I have also sent this message to Paul Eggert, but I don't know if he is still working on this Daylight Saving Time table project. Thank you, John Griswold

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FW: Time zone equality?
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) June 21, 2002

June 21, 2002

Kerry Kimbrough is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Kimbrough [mailto:kkimbrough@clearcommerce.com] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:57 AM To: 'tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov' Subject: Time zone equality? Help! Can someone explain the algorithm for TimeZone::operator==? That is, how do you know if two time zones are the same or different? I'm motivated by a UI design issue that's become hot around here. We allow users to select a time zone from a list. In our case, the list come from the ICU package, which I understand uses the same list as the Olsen package. Trouble is, this list is huge and bewildering, with a great deal of apparent redundancy. For example, there are 37 different time zones listed at GMT-04:00. This makes for a usability issue, as it becomes hard to search and confidently select the correct choice. And many are convinced that the long is just wrong because they can see a much shorter one used in Windows. We want to generate a shorter list, but we're also reluctant to just throw out legitimate choices. If two time zones are equivalent, then it's OK to drop one from the list. But how can you tell? How does Windows do it? ---- Regards, Kerry

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