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Turkish dispute over date of daylight saving time change
by Alexander Krivenyshev Feb. 24, 2011

Feb. 24, 2011

Turkish dispute over date of daylight saving time change http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=69929 "Turkey plans to switch to daylight saving time on March 27 at 3 a.m., moving clocks forward one hour to make better use of daylight, but Turkish educators object to the plan because 1.5 million students will take a nationwide exam on that day." Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com

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(historical) information about Zone Europe/Brussels
by gunther Vermeir Feb. 24, 2011

Feb. 24, 2011

Hello, I just came across an article about getting to an "official" time in the early 1800's in Belgium , maybe it might be of use / interest of someone. It looks like the Zone Europe/Brussels 0:17:30 - LMT 1880 might be more precise Zone Europe/Brussels 0:17:30 - LMT 1836 June <arbitrary day> of course, the local time for Brussels before was most likely the same, but it seams it was made "official" by Adolphe Quetelet ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolphe_Quetelet ) in June 1836. I'm was unable to verify the actual referenced official journal of Belgium (Belgisch Staatsblad / Moniteur Belge) publications. If there is interest I'm willing to try to get a hold of them in the royal Library and verify it. Website in question : French: http://www.cathedralestmichel.be/fr/cult_archi_meridien.php?lang=fr dutch http://www.cathedralestmichel.be/nl/cult_archi_meridien.php?lang=nl This seams to based on a publication (in French) of jan-feb 1951 " Ciel et Terre, Vol. 67, " , a popular scientific journal. Title: La méridienne de Ste-Gudule à Bruxelles by Henri Michel. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1951C%26T....67...16M/0000016.000.… part of interest (in Dutch) of the first link: -- Ingevolge K.B. dd. 22.02.1836 werd A. Quetelet , directeur van het eerste Observatorium van Brussel, aangesteld om aan de bijzonderste lokaliteiten van het rijk de middelen te verschaffen om over een nauwkeurig "lokaal uur" te beschikken in het vooruitzicht van het goed functioneren van de spoorwegen. De opdracht hield in om in de steden Antwerpen, Oostende, Brugge, Gent en Luik een kleine middaglijnopening op te stellen en in eenenveertig andere steden van het rijk meridianen te plaatsen in de kathedralen, stadhuizen of andere gebouwen die de plaatsing ervan nuttig zouden maken. ... Maar de grote meridiaan van Brussel werd door A. Quetelet in juni 1836 getraceerd in de vloer van de kruisbeuk van de kathedraal. De minutieuze beschrijving in een rapport bestemd voor de Minister van Binnenlandse Zaken, werd gelukkig veilig gesteld door een publicatie in het Belgisch Staatsblad (Bijvoegsel bij het nr. 41 van 10 februari 1839). -- Translation (a bit shortened - needs a "native english speaker check" :) ) : -- By the Royal Decree of 22 feb 1836 , Adolphe Quetelet, director of the first observatory of Brussels was appointed to provide in whole Belgium a precise "local time" to facilitate the proper working of the railways. The mission was to erect in Antwerp, Oostend, Bruges, Ghent and Liège noon marks and place meridian lines in 41 other cities in cathedrals, city halls or other buildings. The "great meridian" of Brussels was traced by Adolphe Quetelet in June 1836 on the naves floor of the St Gudule and St Michael's Cathedral. A description in great detail of this, intended for the Minister of Internal Affairs, was later published as addition to the official journal of Belgium (Belgisch Staatsblad / Moniteur Belge) nr 41 dated 10 feb 1839. -- Greeting from Brussels, Gunther

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Re: Revisiting Australian time zone abbreviations
by Anand Kumria Feb. 24, 2011

Feb. 24, 2011

[[ sorry, I was unable to keep References: and In-Reply-To: ids, ]] [[ this is a continuation of http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/3244/focus=3251 ]] Paul Eggert <eggert(a)CS.UCLA.EDU> writes: > > > The government website of Australia states the time > > zone names for Australia are Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST), ... > > I'm afraid it's not that simple. Actually, it could be. > Different websites operated by > the government of Australia use different names and abbreviations. > The Bureau of Meteorology often uses EST/CST/WST and EDT/CDT; see, > for example, <http://www.bom.gov.au/satellite/about_satpix.shtml>. > And the Australian Transport Safety Bureau often uses EST/CST/WST and > ESuT/CSuT; see, for example, > <http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/690841/ar-2009-016(2).pdf>. I had never heard of the atsb prior to your email. At the time of writing the atsb link does not exist. > The tz database's philosophy has generally tried to record what people > typically do with their clocks and their abbreviations. If one government > agency says that it's AEST/AEDT, that's a good piece of evidence; but if > other agencies disagree, that's evidence that there's not a solid consensus > within the government what the abbreviations are or should be. I suspect if you approached most American government agencies and asked what is the official paper size, they would respond with 'letter'. Despite the fact that it is actually A4 -- the US being a metric country. My point is that there will always being different parts of the goverment in many countries unaware of what is actually official (technically Australia uses 24-hour time, most people would be unaware of this). > The most amusing thing about <http://australia.gov.au/about-australia/our- country/time>, > the web page that Richard Stanway quoted, was this little message at its bottom: > > "All times shown are Sydney, Australia Time" > > In other words, the Australian government doesn't follow its own advice on > time zone names and abbreviations, even on the government page that talks > about time zone names! They just say the equivalent of "TZ=Australia/Sydney"! You may not have hovered over the link, http://australia.gov.au/about- australia/our-country/time, however. Yes, that may be what the text says, if you hover over it, it says: "Australian Eastern Standard Time Sydney (AEST)". Which I think should be plenty of evidence that it is time, pun intended, to switch to AEST/ACST/AWST and AEDT/ACDT as appropriate. Regards, Anand

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Chile contemplating delay in time change
by Andy Heninger Feb. 24, 2011

Feb. 24, 2011

Chile contemplating delay in time change. No concrete proposals or decisions. http://www.elsur.cl/base_elsur/site/artic/20110222/pags/20110222102645.html <http://www.elsur.cl/base_elsur/site/artic/20110222/pags/20110222102645.html> http://www.puranoticia.cl/titular5/gobierno-estudia-retrasar-cambio-horario… <http://www.elsur.cl/base_elsur/site/artic/20110222/pags/20110222102645.html>And many similar press articles. Search for cambio de horas Chile Golborne With help from Google Translate, "The Biministro of Mines and Energy, Laurence Golborne confirmed Tuesday that the government is evaluating the option to postpone the change to winter time due to the energy crisis in the country. "The change is currently scheduled for Saturday March 12, but the possible postponement is part of the rationalization of energy that drives the government." "Golborne said "that is being evaluated, is a subject that has a relatively low impact on consumption but may have a significant impact on communication and citizenship," he said."

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Macau
by jrl Feb. 23, 2011

Feb. 23, 2011

The rule for Macau ends in 1980 but its Zone indicates that the rules end in 1999. What is the correct rule for Macau from 1980 through 1999? Did they return to LMT? Rule Macau 1975 1977 - Apr Sun>=15 3:30 1:00 S Rule Macau 1978 1980 - Apr Sun>=15 0:00 1:00 S Rule Macau 1978 1980 - Oct Sun>=15 0:00 0 - # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Asia/Macau 7:34:20 - LMT 1912 8:00 Macau MO%sT 1999 Dec 20 # return to China 8:00 PRC C%sT

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Incorrect change in System time
by puru sothaman Feb. 20, 2011

Feb. 20, 2011

Hi all, I have written my own rule for customized timezone.The user will provide start and end time for the DST settings.According to that the rule will change and timezone is compiled using "zic". Problem: The Program works fine for all other days.When i give the start time as 2003 jan wed 00:03 and end time as 2003 dec tue 22:05.When i changed my system time to 2003 jan 1 00:00, the system time immediately changed to 22:00.This is not expected behavior as it should change time only on 00:03. When i checked the localtime using "zdump" the "DST" is off for 2003. Kindly help me. Kindly excuse me if anything is wrong on the above mail as i am new to the group. Regards, Purusothaman R

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tz mailing list
by Bruce Camber Feb. 19, 2011

Feb. 19, 2011

Would you please add me to the tz mailing lists? Thank you. Bruce * Primary Interest*: *Separate the 24 Time Zones from the Universal Time Code (UTC)*. Currently time zones around the world are expressed as an offset from UTC. Of course, we should continue to use UTC to set the time within each time zone, but *not as the designation of that time zone*. It confuses schoolchildren and the business world. *We need to be referring to each time zone as their number, 1 through 24*. It helps to facilitate global thinking <http://smallbusinessschool.org/page1856.html>. *More*...<http://smallbusinessschool.org/page2424.html> C: 214.801.8521 T: 504.305.4510 Skype: Bruce.Camber Bruce Camber, Executive Producer Small Business School, Inc. Private Business Channel, Inc. http://SmallBusinessSchool.org <http://smallbusinessschool.org/> As further backgrounder info. * Small Business School has a sixteen-year history as a weekly, half-hour television show. On over 200 PBS stations in the USA and on several thousand stations around the world via the Voice of America, the focus has always been on best business practices. http://smallbusinessschool.org/page18.html * Every business owner has been recommended by their local business advocates, often the local Chamber of Commerce, and confirmed by their national trade association for their leadership, generosity of spirit, ethics, and courage. Nobody can pay or has ever paid to be on this show. http://smallbusinessschool.org/page898.html * Over 40 of the best-selling business textbooks published by Pearson-Prentice Hall and Thomson Learning-Cengage include these case study guides and video: http://smallbusinessschool.org/page2162.html

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Tomsk wrong timezone
by Jesper Norgaard Welen Feb. 18, 2011

Feb. 18, 2011

A quote from the 'europe' file: # Novosibirskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Novosibirsk 5:31:40 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 6:00 - NOVT 1930 Jun 21 # Novosibirsk Time 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 6:00 Russia NOV%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1993 May 23 # say Shanks & P. 6:00 Russia NOV%sT # # From Oscar van Vlijmen (2001-08-25): [This region consists of] # Kemerovskaya oblast', Krasnoyarskij kraj, # Tajmyrskij (Dolgano-Nenetskij) avtonomnyj okrug, Tomskaya oblast', # Respublika Tuva, Respublika Khakasiya, Evenkijskij avtonomnyj okrug. Zone Asia/Krasnoyarsk 6:11:20 - LMT 1920 Jan 6 6:00 - KRAT 1930 Jun 21 # Krasnoyarsk Time 7:00 Russia KRA%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 6:00 Russia KRA%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 7:00 Russia KRA%sT In fact, it seems that Tomsk city and Tomskaya oblast' is part of the Novosibirsk timezone, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomskaya_Oblast%27%2C_Russia and http://www.admin.tomsk.ru/1024 ... the latter, if you don't understand russian, look at the time under the green horse. I don't know if this simply means that Tomskaya oblast' changed timezone since 2001, which is a possibility, that would then require a new timezone. Regards, - Jesper Jesper Nørgaard Welen Email: jnorgard(a)Prodigy.Net.mx Project Leader (Líder de Proyecto) Software CIMMYT - Centro Internacional de Mejoramiento de Maíz y Trigo Dirección: CIMMYT Int. c/o Jesper Nørgaard Km. 45, Carretera México-Veracruz El Batán Texcoco, Edo. de México CP 56130 MEXICO Tel.: +52 (55) 58-04-20-04 ext. 1374 Fax: +52 (55) 58-04-75-58 Tel. Casa: 53-10-05-95 ó 53-10-97-78 Download the shareware program World Time Explorer, I made: http://www.worldtimeexplorer.com/index.html

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Turkish dispute over date of daylight saving time change
by Alexander Krivenyshev Feb. 17, 2011

Feb. 17, 2011

Turkish dispute over date of daylight saving time change http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=69929 "Turkey plans to switch to daylight saving time on March 27 at 3 a.m., moving clocks forward one hour to make better use of daylight, but Turkish educators object to the plan because 1.5 million students will take a nationwide exam on that day." Alexander Krivenyshev, http://www.worldtimezone.com

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Is this a bug in the upstream or just Ubuntu (10.04LTS)?
by Stephen (Esteban) McCracken Feb. 17, 2011

Feb. 17, 2011

The GMT-x and GMT+x in the "ETC" section are flipped/backwards. (Arizona should be GMT-7, but equates to GMT+7). Quito/Bogota should be GMT-5, but GMT-5 is giving GMT+5. See: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/720792

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