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Sakha Republic - raion, ulus, district
by Tobias Conradi May 5, 2012

May 5, 2012

In reply to Oscar van Vlijmen 2012-05-04 (ca. 20:06 - not sure what offsets my mailer uses) ============= "[tz] proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts" >> http://www.garant.ru/hotlaw/federal/346568/ >> ???? (ulus) not found on that page > > Them trolls! Good you looked into this! > The complete text of the law is now published at: > http://government.ru/gov/results/16355/ ============== The 1992 http://government.consultant.ru/page.aspx?1223966 only has raion as far as I could see. 2011 http://government.ru/gov/results/16355/ for Sakha has ulus with raion in parentheses. while the summary at http://www.garant.ru/hotlaw/federal/346568/ has only raion. All non-English Wikipedias use a form of "Ulus" for an article about an individual ulus, only the English WP does not, e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyysky_District I suggest using only transliteration (i.e. raion or ulus) instead of using the term "district" for the tz database. This avoids issues with other entities that may be translated as district. Following are two examples of other translations for the pair raion=district. Economic raion -> Economic region http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_regions_of_Russia Federal okrug -> Federal district http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_districts_of_Russia -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts
by OvV_HN May 4, 2012

May 4, 2012

Replying to: [tz] proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts Tobias Conradi tobias.conradi at gmail.com Fri May 4 16:43:02 UTC 2012 2) > ISO_9 is two way, isn't it? System A and B of ISO 9 are meant to be 2-way, but System A cannot be represented in ASCII 7-bits. System B can. Be my guest. 3) > http://www.garant.ru/hotlaw/federal/346568/ > ???? (ulus) not found on that page Them trolls! Good you looked into this! The complete text of the law is now published at: http://government.ru/gov/results/16355/ Oscar van Vlijmen

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proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts
by OvV_HN May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

In reply to: Tobias Conradi tobias.conradi at gmail.com Thu May 3 15:02:15 UTC 2012 First I suggest to change "[This region consists of]" as e.g. in ! # From Oscar van Vlijmen (2001-08-25): [This region consists of] to "[This zone consists of]" since I assume "region" here refers to the tzdb zone. Second I suggest to A) either use the names of the country subdivisions as in the Wikipedia article names...... etc., etc. Reply: With respect, but you can do whatever you want, TZ can do whatever they want, I don't care, but my advice would be: just stick as close as you can get (with a reasonable transliteration) to the official region names, as stated in the law regarding time zones, to be foud at: http://www.garant.ru/hotlaw/federal/346568/ (in Russian). Oscar van Vlijmen

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proposed changes: past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts
by Arthur David Olson May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

I've attached proposed changes to reflect past Altai/Tomsk time zone shifts; the changes appear below with mangled tabs. Thanks to Tobias Conradi for providing information. --ado diff -r -c old/europe new/europe *** old/europe 2012-05-02 17:54:22.581472200 -0400 --- new/europe 2012-05-02 18:10:54.852205400 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)europe 8.41 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)europe 8.42 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 2164,2182 **** 4:00 Russia SVE%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 5:00 Russia YEK%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 6:00 - YEKT # Yekaterinburg Time ! # ! # From Oscar van Vlijmen (2001-08-25): [This region consists of] ! # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj, Omskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Omsk 4:53:36 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 5:00 - OMST 1930 Jun 21 # Omsk TIme 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 5:00 Russia OMS%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - OMST ! # ! # From Paul Eggert (2006-08-19): I'm guessing about Tomsk here; it's ! # not clear when it switched from +7 to +6. ! # Novosibirskaya oblast', Tomskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Novosibirsk 5:31:40 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 6:00 - NOVT 1930 Jun 21 # Novosibirsk Time 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s --- 2164,2196 ---- 4:00 Russia SVE%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 5:00 Russia YEK%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 6:00 - YEKT # Yekaterinburg Time ! ! # From Tobias Conradi (2011-09-17): ! # I know that Wikipedia is not reliable, still I would like to start with: ! # <a href=" http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0… "> ! # http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0… ! # </a> ! ! # From Arthur David Olson (2012-05-02): ! # According to ! # <a href=" http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org… "> ! # http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://ru.wikipedia.org… ! # </a>: "...the regions of Western Siberia, ! # formerly stationed in the area of MSK+4, ! # switched to the time of MSK+3, joining the Omsk Time: ! # Novosibirsk Region May 23, 1993 at 00:00, ! # Altai and the Altai Republic May 28, 1995 at 4:00 am, ! # Tomsk Region May 1, 2002 at 3:00 am." ! ! # Omskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Omsk 4:53:36 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 5:00 - OMST 1930 Jun 21 # Omsk TIme 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s 5:00 Russia OMS%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - OMST ! ! # Novosibirskaya oblast'. Zone Asia/Novosibirsk 5:31:40 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 6:00 - NOVT 1930 Jun 21 # Novosibirsk Time 7:00 Russia NOV%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s *************** *** 2185,2190 **** --- 2199,2222 ---- 6:00 Russia NOV%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s 7:00 - NOVT + # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj. + Zone Asia/Barnaul 5:35:00 - LMT 1919 Nov 14 + 6:00 - BART 1930 Jun 21 # Barnaul Time + 7:00 Russia BAR%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s + 6:00 Russia BAR%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s + 7:00 Russia BAR%sT 1995 May 28 4:00s # wikipedia.ru + 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s + 7:00 - OMST + + # Tomskaya oblast'. + Zone Asia/Tomsk 5:39:52 - LMT 1919 Dec 14 6:00 + 6:00 - TOMT 1930 Jun 21 # Tomsk Time + 7:00 Russia TOM%sT 1991 Mar 31 2:00s + 6:00 Russia TOM%sT 1992 Jan 19 2:00s + 7:00 Russia TOM%sT 2002 May 1 3:00s # wikipedia.ru + 6:00 Russia OMS%sT 2011 Mar 27 2:00s + 7:00 - OMST + # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2009-10-13): # Kemerovo oblast' (Kemerovo region) in Russia will change current time zone on # March 28, 2010: diff -r -c old/zone.tab new/zone.tab *** old/zone.tab 2012-05-02 17:54:34.515493100 -0400 --- new/zone.tab 2012-05-02 17:53:52.504619400 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)zone.tab 8.55 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. # --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)zone.tab 8.56 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. # *************** *** 338,343 **** --- 338,345 ---- RU +5651+06036 Asia/Yekaterinburg Moscow+02 - Urals RU +5500+07324 Asia/Omsk Moscow+03 - west Siberia RU +5502+08255 Asia/Novosibirsk Moscow+03 - Novosibirsk + RU +5322+08345 Asia/Barnaul Moscow+03 - Altai + RU +5800+08458 Asia/Tomsk Moscow+03 - Tomsk RU +5345+08707 Asia/Novokuznetsk Moscow+03 - Novokuznetsk RU +5601+09250 Asia/Krasnoyarsk Moscow+04 - Yenisei River RU +5216+10420 Asia/Irkutsk Moscow+05 - Lake Baikal

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New Time Zone for Mexico- Quintana Roo state
by Alexander Krivenyshev May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

According to news, Mexico Senate approved creating a new time zone for Quintana Roo state (Cancun, Cozumel) (in Spanish) Nuevo Huso Horario para QR será una hora de diferencia y no dos, aclara Senadora (audio); datos equivocados generaron confusión: EQR http://www.expedientequintanaroo.com/2012/04/nuevo-huso-horario-para-qr-ser… una.html Senado aprueba nuevo huso horario para Quintana Roo http://noticias.terra.com.mx/mexico/estados/senado-aprueba-nuevo-huso-horar… para-quintana-roo,9f5c873e0d7e6310VgnVCM5000009ccceb0aRCRD.html (brief in English) http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_mexico10.html This measure passed by the Senate and now have to be passed by the Chamber of Deputies. Alexander Krivenyshev- WorldTimeZone.com http://www.worldtimezone.com

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Bugs in Russia - Seven month past since 2011-09-17 - still not fixed
by Tobias Conradi May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

Can these bugs please be fixed http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-September/008809.html http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-October/008937.html ? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/tobias_conradi

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Re: [tz] Bugs in Russia - Seven month past since 2011-09-17 - still not fixed
by Robert Elz May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

I received a copy of this message via private mail, not copied to the list - and replied (as below) - then I saw another copy of the message was sent to the list, so I am forwarding my reply to the list as well... Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:42:58 +0200 From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> Message-ID: <CAAGevbUqw308pGi7bYYNeZrwwvwtinqqskvW0Jv8aTOcESzMnA@mai= l.gmail.com> | Suggested new zone: | Asia/Barnaul, split from Asia/Omsk But why? What's different about the zones, aside from their names? | Moves to Omsk Time That tells me nothing. | FIX: oblast should be Republic. Do you mean that we should change the word we use? Could you explain why (and it would be better on the list than in private mail to m= e). | > that isn't "making up new rules on the fly" | If not on the fly, it should be specified in the Theory file, so that= | contributors are warned that their fixes may not be added for 7+ | months if they don't affect current time stamps. No, that's not why the changes you want didn't get made - it is because no-one understands what was supposed to be changed, or why. It might be obvious to you, it isn't to anyone else. | I think you are misinformed here. E.g. for | "Zone Asia/Omsk" it says in tzdata2012c\europe | #... [This region consists of] | # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj, Omskaya oblast'. Sure, we attempt to indicate what region the zone applies in, and we will fix bugs in that if we understand what the bug is, but the purpose of the project isn't to make those mappings, that's one of the frills - we collect that data more so we know that we have all of the needed zones, not so the region data can be used for anything very useful. If that's allowed you to find a missing zone, that's great, but we can't just make a new zone with no data in it, we need to know what to put there, and it needs to be different from the existing zones, we avoid making duplicates (within a country). kre

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Re: [tz] Bugs in Russia - Seven month past since 2011-09-17 - still not fixed
by Tobias Conradi May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

> "Suggested new zone: > Asia/Barnaul, split from Asia/Omsk" > >>or why. > "Moves to Omsk Time" > > > I think I see the problem. "Split from Asia/Omsk" implies that the area > involved was already on Omsk time. If it moved to Omsk time, then it was > in some other zone previously, and is split from that zone. Andy, thanks for this. Actually both /could/ be true. The two Altais (proposed "Asia/Barnaul") could have observed the time of Asia/Omsk in the past (Omsk Time), then for some years they didn't, because Omsk changed it's offset from Moscow. So the split from Omsk occurred in reality too. Later they join Omsk Time (Omsk Time Zone), i.e. observe the time of Asia/Omsk tz zone, but they stay in Asia/Barnaul tz zone. But at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Time I see no indication that the Altais did observe Omsk Time in the past. It looks as if it was Novosibirsk Time, i.e. when Novosibirsk changed to Omsk Time, Novosibirsk and the Altais split. So the real split occurred from Asia/Novosibirsk. -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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Morroco changes
by Sebastien WILLEMIJNS May 1, 2012

May 1, 2012

http://www.lavieeco.com/news/actualites/gmt-1-officialise-pour-de-bon-21957… http://french.cri.cn/621/2012/04/29/442s279539.htm dunno if TZ change has been done recently or it is for next year...

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tzdata2012c contains tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov, change to tz@iana.org?
by Tobias Conradi May 1, 2012

May 1, 2012

# This data is by no means authoritative; if you think you know better, # go ahead and edit the file (and please send any changes to # tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov for general use in the future). Maybe change tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov to tz(a)iana.org ? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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