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Locations
by Oscar van Vlijmen Sept. 16, 2000

Sept. 16, 2000

Find the latitude and longitude of more than a million (!) of locations on earth with: Astrodienst: http://www.astro.ch/atlas/ (service for astrologers) Heavens-Above: http://www.heavens-above.com/countries.asp (service for astronomers) Oscar van Vlijmen 2000-09-16

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New in list
by Nexo Informática Sept. 16, 2000

Sept. 16, 2000

Dear Friends, I'm new in this list and I'm look for some information. tz database is only time zone and daylight saving database or it also covers latitude and longitude of cities? where I can find latitude and longitude information of cities of the your, mainly some updated database. Thanks in advance, Floriano Caldeira from Brazil

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RE: New in list
by Jesper Nørgaard Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

The cities which are direct entries in the tz database, also have their latitude and longitude documented in a file in the tz database called zone.tab. You can download and extract that file, but since it is small, I chose to include below in this mail. # @(#)zone.tab 1.19 # # TZ zone descriptions # # From Paul Eggert <eggert(a)twinsun.com> (1996-08-05): # # This file contains a table with the following columns: # 1. ISO 3166 2-character country code. See the file `iso3166.tab'. # 2. Latitude and longitude of the zone's principal location # in ISO 6709 sign-degrees-minutes-seconds format, # either +-DDMM+-DDDMM or +-DDMMSS+-DDDMMSS, # first latitude (+ is north), then longitude (+ is east). # 3. Zone name used in value of TZ environment variable. # 4. Comments; present if and only if the country has multiple rows. # # Columns are separated by a single tab. # The table is sorted first by country, then an order within the country that # (1) makes some geographical sense, and # (2) puts the most populous zones first, where that does not contradict (1). # # Lines beginning with `#' are comments. # #country- #code coordinates TZ comments AD +4230+00131 Europe/Andorra AE +2518+05518 Asia/Dubai AF +3431+06912 Asia/Kabul AG +1703-06148 America/Antigua AI +1812-06304 America/Anguilla AL +4120+01950 Europe/Tirane AM +4011+04430 Asia/Yerevan AN +1211-06900 America/Curacao AO -0848+01314 Africa/Luanda AQ -7750+16636 Antarctica/McMurdo McMurdo Station, Ross Island AQ -9000+00000 Antarctica/South_Pole Amundsen-Scott Station, South Pole AQ -6448-06406 Antarctica/Palmer Palmer Station, Anvers Island AQ -6736+06253 Antarctica/Mawson Mawson Station, Holme Bay AQ -6835+07758 Antarctica/Davis Davis Station, Vestfold Hills AQ -6617+11031 Antarctica/Casey Casey Station, Bailey Peninsula AQ -6640+14001 Antarctica/DumontDUrville Dumont-d'Urville Base, Terre Adelie AQ -690022+0393524 Antarctica/Syowa Syowa Station, E Ongul I AR -3436-05827 America/Buenos_Aires E Argentina (BA, DF, SC, TF) AR -3257-06040 America/Rosario NE Argentina (SF, ER, CN, MN, CC, FM, LP, CH) AR -3124-06411 America/Cordoba W Argentina (CB, SA, TM, LR, SJ, SL, NQ, RN) AR -2411-06518 America/Jujuy Jujuy (JY) AR -2828-06547 America/Catamarca Catamarca (CT) AR -3253-06849 America/Mendoza Mendoza (MZ) AS -1416-17042 Pacific/Pago_Pago AT +4813+01620 Europe/Vienna AU -3133+15905 Australia/Lord_Howe Lord Howe Island AU -4253+14719 Australia/Hobart Tasmania AU -3749+14458 Australia/Melbourne Victoria AU -3352+15113 Australia/Sydney New South Wales - most locations AU -3157+14127 Australia/Broken_Hill New South Wales - Broken Hill AU -2728+15302 Australia/Brisbane Queensland - most locations AU -2016+14900 Australia/Lindeman Queensland - Holiday Islands AU -3455+13835 Australia/Adelaide South Australia AU -1228+13050 Australia/Darwin Northern Territory AU -3157+11551 Australia/Perth Western Australia AW +1230-06858 America/Aruba AZ +4023+04951 Asia/Baku BA +4352+01825 Europe/Sarajevo BB +1306-05937 America/Barbados BD +2343+09025 Asia/Dacca BE +5050+00420 Europe/Brussels BF +1222-00131 Africa/Ouagadougou BG +4241+02319 Europe/Sofia BH +2623+05035 Asia/Bahrain BI -0323+02922 Africa/Bujumbura BJ +0629+00237 Africa/Porto-Novo BM +3217-06446 Atlantic/Bermuda BN +0456+11455 Asia/Brunei BO -1630-06809 America/La_Paz BR -0351-03225 America/Noronha Fernando de Noronha BR -0127-04829 America/Belem Amapa, E Para BR -0343-03830 America/Fortaleza NE Brazil (MA, PI, CE, RN, PR, PE) BR -0712-04812 America/Araguaina Tocantins BR -0940-03543 America/Maceio Alagoas, Sergipe BR -2332-04637 America/Sao_Paulo S & SE Brazil (BA, GO, DF, MG, ES, RJ, SP, PR, SC, RS) BR -1535-05605 America/Cuiaba Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do Sul BR -0846-06354 America/Porto_Velho W Para, Rondonia BR +0249-06040 America/Boa_Vista Roraima BR -0308-06001 America/Manaus Amazonas BR -0934-06731 America/Porto_Acre Acre BS +2505-07721 America/Nassau BT +2728+08939 Asia/Thimbu BW -2545+02555 Africa/Gaborone BY +5354+02734 Europe/Minsk BZ +1730-08812 America/Belize CA +4734-05243 America/St_Johns Newfoundland Island CA +4439-06336 America/Halifax Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia (most places), NB, W Labrador, E Quebec & PEI CA +4612-05957 America/Glace_Bay Atlantic Time - Nova Scotia - places that did not observe DST 1966-1971 CA +5320-06025 America/Goose_Bay Atlantic Time - E Labrador CA +4531-07334 America/Montreal Eastern Time - Ontario & Quebec - most locations CA +4901-08816 America/Nipigon Eastern Time - Ontario & Quebec - places that did not observe DST 1967-1973 CA +4823-08915 America/Thunder_Bay Eastern Time - Thunder Bay, Ontario CA +4953-09709 America/Winnipeg Central Time - Manitoba & west Ontario CA +4843-09429 America/Rainy_River Central Time - Rainy River & Fort Frances, Ontario CA +6608-06544 America/Pangnirtung Central Time - Pangnirtung, Nunavut CA +6344-06828 America/Iqaluit Central Time - east Nunavut CA +6245-09210 America/Rankin_Inlet Central Time - central Nunavut CA +6903-10505 America/Cambridge_Bay Central Time - west Nunavut CA +5024-10439 America/Regina Central Standard Time - Saskatchewan - most locations CA +5017-10750 America/Swift_Current Central Standard Time - Saskatchewan - midwest CA +5333-11328 America/Edmonton Mountain Time - Alberta, east British Columbia & west Saskatchewan CA +6227-11421 America/Yellowknife Mountain Time - central Northwest Territories CA +6825-11330 America/Inuvik Mountain Time - west Northwest Territories CA +5946-12014 America/Dawson_Creek Mountain Standard Time - Dawson Creek & Fort Saint John, British Columbia CA +4916-12307 America/Vancouver Pacific Time - west British Columbia CA +6043-13503 America/Whitehorse Pacific Time - south Yukon CA +6404-13925 America/Dawson Pacific Time - north Yukon CC -1210+09655 Indian/Cocos CD -0418+01518 Africa/Kinshasa west Dem. Rep. of Congo CD -1140+02728 Africa/Lubumbashi east Dem. Rep. of Congo CF +0422+01835 Africa/Bangui CG -0416+01517 Africa/Brazzaville CH +4723+00832 Europe/Zurich CI +0519-00402 Africa/Abidjan CK -2114-15946 Pacific/Rarotonga CL -3327-07040 America/Santiago mainland CL -2710-10927 Pacific/Easter Easter Island CM +0403+00942 Africa/Douala CN +4545+12641 Asia/Harbin north Manchuria CN +3114+12128 Asia/Shanghai China coast CN +2934+10635 Asia/Chungking China mountains CN +4348+08735 Asia/Urumqi Tibet & Xinjiang CN +3929+07559 Asia/Kashgar Eastern Turkestan CO +0436-07405 America/Bogota CR +0956-08405 America/Costa_Rica CU +2308-08222 America/Havana CV +1455-02331 Atlantic/Cape_Verde CX -1025+10543 Indian/Christmas CY +3510+03322 Asia/Nicosia CZ +5005+01426 Europe/Prague DE +5230+01322 Europe/Berlin DJ +1136+04309 Africa/Djibouti DK +5540+01235 Europe/Copenhagen DM +1518-06124 America/Dominica DO +1828-06954 America/Santo_Domingo DZ +3647+00303 Africa/Algiers EC -0210-07950 America/Guayaquil mainland EC -0054-08936 Pacific/Galapagos Galapagos Islands EE +5925+02445 Europe/Tallinn EG +3003+03115 Africa/Cairo EH +2709-01312 Africa/El_Aaiun ER +1520+03853 Africa/Asmera ES +4024-00341 Europe/Madrid mainland ES +3553-00519 Africa/Ceuta Ceuta & Melilla ES +2806-01524 Atlantic/Canary Canary Islands ET +0902+03842 Africa/Addis_Ababa FI +6010+02458 Europe/Helsinki FJ -1808+17825 Pacific/Fiji FK -5142-05751 Atlantic/Stanley FM +0931+13808 Pacific/Yap Yap FM +0725+15147 Pacific/Truk Truk (Chuuk) FM +0658+15813 Pacific/Ponape Ponape (Pohnpei) FM +0519+16259 Pacific/Kosrae Kosrae FO +6201-00646 Atlantic/Faeroe FR +4852+00220 Europe/Paris GA +0023+00927 Africa/Libreville GB +512830-0001845 Europe/London Great Britain GB +5435-00555 Europe/Belfast Northern Ireland GD +1203-06145 America/Grenada GE +4143+04449 Asia/Tbilisi GF +0456-05220 America/Cayenne GH +0533-00013 Africa/Accra GI +3608-00521 Europe/Gibraltar GL +7030-02215 America/Scoresbysund east Greenland GL +6411-05144 America/Godthab southwest Greenland GL +7634-06847 America/Thule northwest Greenland GM +1328-01639 Africa/Banjul GN +0931-01343 Africa/Conakry GP +1614-06132 America/Guadeloupe GQ +0345+00847 Africa/Malabo GR +3758+02343 Europe/Athens GS -5416-03632 Atlantic/South_Georgia GT +1438-09031 America/Guatemala GU +1328+14445 Pacific/Guam GW +1151-01535 Africa/Bissau GY +0648-05810 America/Guyana HK +2217+11409 Asia/Hong_Kong HN +1406-08713 America/Tegucigalpa HR +4548+01558 Europe/Zagreb HT +1832-07220 America/Port-au-Prince HU +4730+01905 Europe/Budapest ID -0610+10648 Asia/Jakarta Java & Sumatra ID -0507+11924 Asia/Ujung_Pandang Borneo & Celebes ID -0232+14042 Asia/Jayapura Irian Jaya & the Moluccas IE +5320-00615 Europe/Dublin IL +3146+03514 Asia/Jerusalem IN +2232+08822 Asia/Calcutta IO -0720+07225 Indian/Chagos IQ +3321+04425 Asia/Baghdad IR +3540+05126 Asia/Tehran IS +6409-02151 Atlantic/Reykjavik IT +4154+01229 Europe/Rome JM +1800-07648 America/Jamaica JO +3157+03556 Asia/Amman JP +353916+1394441 Asia/Tokyo KE -0117+03649 Africa/Nairobi KG +4254+07436 Asia/Bishkek KH +1133+10455 Asia/Phnom_Penh KI +0125+17300 Pacific/Tarawa Gilbert Islands KI -0308-17105 Pacific/Enderbury Phoenix Islands KI +0152-15720 Pacific/Kiritimati Line Islands KM -1141+04316 Indian/Comoro KN +1718-06243 America/St_Kitts KP +3901+12545 Asia/Pyongyang KR +3733+12658 Asia/Seoul KW +2920+04759 Asia/Kuwait KY +1918-08123 America/Cayman KZ +4315+07657 Asia/Almaty east Kazakhstan KZ +5017+05710 Asia/Aqtobe central Kazakhstan KZ +4431+05016 Asia/Aqtau west Kazakhstan LA +1758+10236 Asia/Vientiane LB +3353+03530 Asia/Beirut LC +1401-06100 America/St_Lucia LI +4709+00931 Europe/Vaduz LK +0656+07951 Asia/Colombo LR +0618-01047 Africa/Monrovia LS -2928+02730 Africa/Maseru LT +5441+02519 Europe/Vilnius LU +4936+00609 Europe/Luxembourg LV +5657+02406 Europe/Riga LY +3254+01311 Africa/Tripoli MA +3339-00735 Africa/Casablanca MC +4342+00723 Europe/Monaco MD +4700+02850 Europe/Chisinau most locations MD +4651+02938 Europe/Tiraspol Transdniestria MG -1855+04731 Indian/Antananarivo MH +0709+17112 Pacific/Majuro most locations MH +0905+16720 Pacific/Kwajalein Kwajalein MK +4159+02126 Europe/Skopje ML +1239-00800 Africa/Bamako southwest Mali ML +1446-00301 Africa/Timbuktu northeast Mali MM +1647+09610 Asia/Rangoon MN +4755+10653 Asia/Ulaanbaatar most locations MN +4801+09139 Asia/Hovd Bayan-Olgiy, Hovd, Uvs MO +2214+11335 Asia/Macao MP +1512+14545 Pacific/Saipan MQ +1436-06105 America/Martinique MR +1806-01557 Africa/Nouakchott MS +1644-06213 America/Montserrat MT +3554+01431 Europe/Malta MU -2010+05730 Indian/Mauritius MV +0410+07330 Indian/Maldives MW -1547+03500 Africa/Blantyre MX +1924-09909 America/Mexico_City Central Time - most locations MX +2105-08646 America/Cancun Central Time - Quintana Roo MX +2058-08937 America/Merida Central Time - Campeche, Yucatan MX +2540-10019 America/Monterrey Central Time - Coahuila, Durango, Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas MX +2313-10625 America/Mazatlan Mountain Time - S Baja, Nayarit, Sinaloa MX +2838-10605 America/Chihuahua Mountain Time - Chihuahua MX +2904-11058 America/Hermosillo Mountain Standard Time - Sonora MX +3232-11701 America/Tijuana Pacific Time MY +0310+10142 Asia/Kuala_Lumpur peninsular Malaysia MY +0133+11020 Asia/Kuching Sabah & Sarawak MZ -2558+03235 Africa/Maputo NA -2234+01706 Africa/Windhoek NC -2216+16530 Pacific/Noumea NE +1331+00207 Africa/Niamey NF -2903+16758 Pacific/Norfolk NG +0627+00324 Africa/Lagos NI +1209-08617 America/Managua NL +5222+00454 Europe/Amsterdam NO +5955+01045 Europe/Oslo NP +2743+08519 Asia/Katmandu NR -0031+16655 Pacific/Nauru NU -1901+16955 Pacific/Niue NZ -3652+17446 Pacific/Auckland most locations NZ -4355-17630 Pacific/Chatham Chatham Islands OM +2336+05835 Asia/Muscat PA +0858-07932 America/Panama PE -1203-07703 America/Lima PF -1732-14934 Pacific/Tahiti Society Islands PF -0900-13930 Pacific/Marquesas Marquesas Islands PF -2308-13457 Pacific/Gambier Gambier Islands PG -0930+14710 Pacific/Port_Moresby PH +1435+12100 Asia/Manila PK +2452+06703 Asia/Karachi PL +5215+02100 Europe/Warsaw PM +4703-05620 America/Miquelon PN -2504-13005 Pacific/Pitcairn PR +182806-0660622 America/Puerto_Rico PS +3130+03428 Asia/Gaza PT +3843-00908 Europe/Lisbon mainland PT +3238-01654 Atlantic/Madeira Madeira Islands PT +3744-02540 Atlantic/Azores Azores PW +0720+13429 Pacific/Palau PY -2516-05740 America/Asuncion QA +2517+05132 Asia/Qatar RE -2052+05528 Indian/Reunion RO +4426+02606 Europe/Bucharest RU +5443+02030 Europe/Kaliningrad Moscow-01 - Kaliningrad RU +5545+03735 Europe/Moscow Moscow+00 - west Russia RU +5312+05009 Europe/Samara Moscow+01 - Caspian Sea RU +5651+06036 Asia/Yekaterinburg Moscow+02 - Urals RU +5500+07324 Asia/Omsk Moscow+03 - west Siberia RU +5502+08255 Asia/Novosibirsk Moscow+03 - Novosibirsk RU +5601+09250 Asia/Krasnoyarsk Moscow+04 - Yenisei River RU +5216+10420 Asia/Irkutsk Moscow+05 - Lake Baikal RU +6200+12940 Asia/Yakutsk Moscow+06 - Lena River RU +4310+13156 Asia/Vladivostok Moscow+07 - Amur River RU +5934+15048 Asia/Magadan Moscow+08 - Magadan & Sakhalin RU +5301+15839 Asia/Kamchatka Moscow+09 - Kamchatka RU +6445+17729 Asia/Anadyr Moscow+10 - Bering Sea RW -0157+03004 Africa/Kigali SA +2438+04643 Asia/Riyadh SB -0932+16012 Pacific/Guadalcanal SC -0440+05528 Indian/Mahe SD +1536+03232 Africa/Khartoum SE +5920+01803 Europe/Stockholm SG +0117+10351 Asia/Singapore SH -1555-00542 Atlantic/St_Helena SI +4603+01431 Europe/Ljubljana SJ +7800+01600 Arctic/Longyearbyen Svalbard SJ +7059-00805 Atlantic/Jan_Mayen Jan Mayen SK +4809+01707 Europe/Bratislava SL +0830-01315 Africa/Freetown SM +4355+01228 Europe/San_Marino SN +1440-01726 Africa/Dakar SO +0204+04522 Africa/Mogadishu SR +0550-05510 America/Paramaribo ST +0020+00644 Africa/Sao_Tome SV +1342-08912 America/El_Salvador SY +3330+03618 Asia/Damascus SZ -2618+03106 Africa/Mbabane TC +2128-07108 America/Grand_Turk TD +1207+01503 Africa/Ndjamena TF -492110+0701303 Indian/Kerguelen TG +0608+00113 Africa/Lome TH +1345+10031 Asia/Bangkok TJ +3835+06848 Asia/Dushanbe TK -0922-17114 Pacific/Fakaofo TM +3757+05823 Asia/Ashkhabad TN +3648+01011 Africa/Tunis TO -2110+17510 Pacific/Tongatapu TP -0833+12535 Asia/Dili TR +4101+02858 Europe/Istanbul TT +1039-06131 America/Port_of_Spain TV -0831+17913 Pacific/Funafuti TW +2503+12130 Asia/Taipei TZ -0648+03917 Africa/Dar_es_Salaam UA +5026+03031 Europe/Kiev most locations UA +4837+02218 Europe/Uzhgorod Ruthenia UA +4750+03510 Europe/Zaporozhye Zaporozh'ye, E Lugansk UA +4457+03406 Europe/Simferopol central Crimea UG +0019+03225 Africa/Kampala UM +1700-16830 Pacific/Johnston Johnston Atoll UM +2813-17722 Pacific/Midway Midway Islands UM +1917+16637 Pacific/Wake Wake Island US +404251-0740023 America/New_York Eastern Time US +421953-0830245 America/Detroit Eastern Time - Michigan - most locations US +381515-0854534 America/Louisville Eastern Time - Louisville, Kentucky US +394606-0860929 America/Indianapolis Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - most locations US +382232-0862041 America/Indiana/Marengo Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Crawford County US +411745-0863730 America/Indiana/Knox Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Starke County US +384452-0850402 America/Indiana/Vevay Eastern Standard Time - Indiana - Switzerland County US +415100-0873900 America/Chicago Central Time US +450628-0873651 America/Menominee Central Time - Michigan - Wisconsin border US +394421-1045903 America/Denver Mountain Time US +433649-1161209 America/Boise Mountain Time - south Idaho & east Oregon US +364708-1084111 America/Shiprock Mountain Time - Navajo US +332654-1120424 America/Phoenix Mountain Standard Time - Arizona US +340308-1181434 America/Los_Angeles Pacific Time US +611305-1495401 America/Anchorage Alaska Time US +581807-1342511 America/Juneau Alaska Time - Alaska panhandle US +593249-1394338 America/Yakutat Alaska Time - Alaska panhandle neck US +643004-1652423 America/Nome Alaska Time - west Alaska US +515248-1763929 America/Adak Aleutian Islands US +211825-1575130 Pacific/Honolulu Hawaii UY -3453-05611 America/Montevideo UZ +3940+06648 Asia/Samarkand west Uzbekistan UZ +4120+06918 Asia/Tashkent east Uzbekistan VA +4154+01227 Europe/Vatican VC +1309-06114 America/St_Vincent VE +1030-06656 America/Caracas VG +1827-06437 America/Tortola VI +1821-06456 America/St_Thomas VN +1045+10640 Asia/Saigon VU -1740+16825 Pacific/Efate WF -1318-17610 Pacific/Wallis WS -1350-17144 Pacific/Apia YE +1245+04512 Asia/Aden YT -1247+04514 Indian/Mayotte YU +4450+02030 Europe/Belgrade ZA -2615+02800 Africa/Johannesburg ZM -1525+02817 Africa/Lusaka ZW -1750+03103 Africa/Harare Jesper Nørgaard Email: jnorgard(a)Prodigy.Net.mx Programador/Analista CIMMYT - Centro Internacional de Mejoramiento de Maíz y Trigo Dirección: CIMMYT, Lisboa 27, 06600 Mexico, D.F. Tel.: +52 (5) 58-04-20-04 ext. 1374 Fax: +52 (5) 58-04-75-58 Tel. Casa: 53-10-05-95 ó 53-10-97-78 CIMMYT home page: http://cimmyt.cgiar.org Check out my Time Zone Converter: http://timezone50.homepage.com ---------- From: Nexo Informática[SMTP:nexo@ilhanet.com.br] Sent: Viernes 15 de Septiembre de 2000 15.29 To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: New in list <<File: ATT00000.htm>> Dear Friends, I'm new in this list and I'm look for some information. tz database is only time zone and daylight saving database or it also covers latitude and longitude of cities? where I can find latitude and longitude information of cities of the your, mainly some updated database. Thanks in advance, Floriano Caldeira from Brazil

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Re: Fw: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Yiango Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

> Yiango, do you have any references to quote to the contrary? First of all I'd like to apologize for the somewhat slow reply. I've asked a friend (an other fellow Cypriot, Alexia Galati) to help out, and she very kindly spent some time at the library looking up information to re-enforce my original request that Cyprus should be listed under Europe instead of Asia. There is no doubt that indeed Cyprus in numerous locations is listed as being in Asia. This became especially more evident to me after reading Gwillim Law's reply. I'd still like a shot at convincing you guys to the contrary, even if my attempts end up being futile. A few relevant references are the following: - In the Readers' digest, Atlas of the World (1999), Cyprus and Turkey are included in the political map of Europe. (However this does not totally debunk your argument since it is also included in the Asian map). My point in mentioning this is that the evidence that you have presented is far from conclusive. - Cyprus is also included in "the political map of Europe in 1999" which is presented in the list of tables of the book "Nationalizing and Denationalising European Border Regions, 1800-2000: Views from Geography and History" ed. by Hands Knippenberg and Jan Markusse. I realise that the tz archive should actually be following "standard geographical practice" but is it not wrong to ignore basic facts such as Cyprus' participation in the European arena? Cyprus is politically, culturally and historically part of Europe and participates in most of its institutions (it has been a full member of the Council of Europe since 1961). How about Cyprus' potential future admission into the EU? At least on the Greek side, one could claim how the Greek-cypriot community upholds the Greek culture, language and religion that are undoubtably European (they are in fact the predescents of many aspects of European culture itself). Even the Turkish-cypriot community, although of Anatolian origin, has a claim over European identity proved by a) the fact there's a lot of cultural convergence between Greek and Turkish Cypriots and b) Turkey's endeavors to become an EU member. Though I'm definately not an expert in this subject, how could one prove that the existing boundaries are conclusive? From the Yearbook of European Studies (V6), ed. by J.Th.Leersen and M. Van Montfrans, 1993; there's an interesting article called "Political and Mental Borders" by Alexandru Dutu (who's President of the Center for South-East European studies at Bucharest). Here's a lovely quote: "Borders usually take shape in political circles and result from the talks among political representatives of the major powers. But politicians always pay attention to how people establish their identity and define "the others". Borders result from our need to settle limits to space and time and to discover ourselves in the "others": their roots are to be found in the world of imagination...It would be wrong to seperate "real" from "imaginary" borders, since frontiers are the products of our thought, feeling and imagination." With the above quotation, I'd like to contest the legitimacy and validity of purely geographical frontiers that are used in segmenting the globe (because frontiers are in themselves imaginary, determined on the negotiation table of political powers, etc.). I, therefore, do not wish to categorize Cyprus on the basis of cartographic evidence (as it could actually be really hard to prove that Cyprus is not also a part of Asia -- but we are nevertheless also presented as being a part of Europe in various references.) Regards, Yiango Yiangoullis

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Continents in tz database? (was: Cyprus)
by Janis.Papanagnou＠varetis.de Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

What is the practical necessity to support continent information with the tz database entries ? Are there any ambiguities otherwise, or is it just a historical convention ? Is it continent information at all ? Besides the continents you find also tags like Pacific and Atlantic in it, so I assume the main reason is to have some impression where this zone is. Inspecting the tz files it seems to me that this information is not necessarily needed, because the entries can be distinguished by the city name unambiguously. If that would not be the case I'd add the country. My understanding is that timezones are bound to countries and their legislation, while continents are mainly geologically defined. Removing continent information would remove the somewhat political question with Cyprus. If continent information is considered necessary in the tz database, then, from a practical point of view, I assume Cyprus would better fit in the European/EU sector - occasionally the same for Turkey in the future -, because of the orientation towards the EU. With the political, religious, social and cultural background of Cyprus, it would never come to my mind to search for Cyprus in Asia, Africa, or elsewhere. But that's just me :-) Janis --- Janis Papanagnou Janis.P(a)beer.com

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Timezone and Daylight Saving Time data
by Sara Eline Eide & Odin Roll-Hansen Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

Hello At the moment I am making an astrology computer program using Delphi 3 in a Windows 95 environment. I am in need of historic and present datas for timezones and daylight saving time of the countries of the world. Can you help me? Yours sincerely Odin Roll-Hansen

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Re: Fw: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Dik.Winter＠cwi.nl Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

[] > I realise that the tz archive should actually be following "standard > geographical practice" but is it not wrong to ignore basic facts such > as Cyprus' participation in the European arena? Cyprus is politically, > culturally and historically part of Europe and participates in most of > its institutions (it has been a full member of the Council of Europe > since 1961). How about Cyprus' potential future admission into the EU? Similar claims can be made by Israel, that does not make Israel an European country. But I would not oppose to make Cyprus part of both Europe and Asia, we have also Turkey in that position (but for that country the position is of course stronger). dik -- dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131 home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

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FW: New daylight savings time in Brazil
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) Sept. 14, 2000

Sept. 14, 2000

Andre Gerhard is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Andre Gerhard [mailto:andre@mail.lme.usp.br] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:59 PM To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: New daylight savings time in Brazil Hello, This patch corrects a typo mistake in Brazil's timezone for 1999, and also introduces the new time zones for daylight savings time in 2000/2001, a decree from 09/06/2000. The daylight savings time for 1999/2000 is also included. Patch created with the command "diff -Naur tzdata/southamerica tzdata.new/southamerica", timezone is UTC0. The site http://www.presidencia.gov.br/CCIVIL/decreto/principal_ano.htm seems to be the "official" decrees site in Brazil, the site http://pcdsh01.on.br/DecHV.html is from the time service but apparently is storing a copy from the information of the site above (the DST information for this year was released first in the first site cited). Sincerely, Andre Gerhard System/Network Administrator University of Sao Paulo - Brazil --- tzdata/southamerica Thu Sep 14 18:08:11 2000 +++ tzdata.new/southamerica Thu Sep 14 14:11:44 2000 @@ -364,11 +364,16 @@ # Decree <a href="http://pcdsh01.on.br/figuras/HV3150.gif">3,150</a> # (1999-08-23) adopted by same states. # Decree <a href="http://pcdsh01.on.br/DecHV99.gif">3,188</a> (1999-09-30) -# adds SE, AL, PE, PR, RN, CE, PI, MA and RR. +# adds SE, AL, PE, PB, RN, CE, PI, MA and RR. +Rule Brazil 1999 only - Oct 3 0:00 1:00 S +Rule Brazil 2000 only - Feb 27 0:00 0 - +# Decree <a href="http://www.presidencia.gov.br/CCIVIL/decreto/D3592.htm">3592</a> (2000-09-06) adopted by RS, SC, PR, SP, RJ, ES, MG, GO, MT, MS, TO, BA, SE, AL, PE, PB, RN, CE, PI, MA and DF. +Rule Brazil 2000 only - Oct 8 0:00 1:00 S +Rule Brazil 2001 only - Feb 18 0:00 0 - # These give only one year's rules. After that, the rules are guesses # and are quite possibly wrong, but are more likely than no DST at all. -Rule Brazil 1999 max - Oct Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 S -Rule Brazil 2000 max - Feb lastSun 0:00 0 - +Rule Brazil 2001 max - Oct Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 S +Rule Brazil 2002 max - Feb lastSun 0:00 0 - # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL]

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Cyprus
by Manavendra Thakur Sept. 14, 2000

Sept. 14, 2000

My vote is to list Cyprus under both Europe and Asia. Users can then navigate to Cyprus' timezone settings via whichever path their inclinations lead them to use. Manavendra Thakur

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Cyprus
by Oscar van Vlijmen Sept. 13, 2000

Sept. 13, 2000

Cyprus would like to be a European coutry, not an Asian coutry: -------------------------------- >From the website of the Cypriotic government: http://www.pio.gov.cy/cyprus/facts.htm International Relations Cyprus is a member of: United Nations Organisation (UN) 1960, Council of Europe (CoE) 1961, Commonwealth of Nations 1961, Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) 1975, Non-Aligned Movement 1960, World Trade Organisation (WTO) 1995, and many other organisations, Relations with the European Union (EU) Customs Union Agreement 1987, Application for EU membership 1990, Commencement of substantive accession talks with EU 1998 -------------------------------- Still not a member of the European union though. Oscar van Vlijmen 2000-09-13

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FW: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) Sept. 12, 2000

Sept. 12, 2000

Yiango is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado > -----Original Message----- > From: Yiango [SMTP:yiango@programmer.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 6:36 AM > To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov > Subject: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia. > > Hello all, > > [Please CC: replies as I am not on the mailing list] > > For some reason Nicosia has been listed as being in Asia and not in > Europe. Can this please be changed? > > The tz database is obviously being used by sourceforge.net where I noticed > this error -- They redirected me to this list after reporting the bug. > > Thanks, > > -- > Yiango <yiango(a)programmer.net> [0xD818E622]

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Re: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Gwillim Law Sept. 12, 2000

Sept. 12, 2000

I wrote, > ... The > Columbia Encyclopedia's article on Asia says, "The conventional boundary > with Europe--which may be said geographically to be a peninsula of the > Eurasian land mass--lies approximately along the Ural mts., the Ural river, > and the Caspian Sea. Thus defined, Asia, including Ceylon but excluding the > islands of Japan, ...". I didn't find any reference books that place Ceylon > in Europe. I'm sorry, my mind was wandering. The Encyclopedia does say Ceylon, which is irrelevant to the thread. It doesn't mention Cyprus at all. In the last sentence, I meant to write Cyprus instead of Ceylon. Yours, Gwillim Law

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FW: time converters
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) Sept. 12, 2000

Sept. 12, 2000

Y. garcia is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Y. Garcia [mailto:yyhg@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:06 PM To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: time converters Do you know of any resources that convert time between different world zones for years prior to 1970 (at least as early as 1936)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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time converters
by Y. Garcia Sept. 12, 2000

Sept. 12, 2000

Do you know of any resources that convert time between different world zones for years prior to 1970 (at least as early as 1936)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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FW: change in Brazil TS: diff -u
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) Sept. 11, 2000

Sept. 11, 2000

Marcos is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado > -----Original Message----- > From: Marcos Tadeu von Lützow Vidal [SMTP:marcos@Microlink.com.br] > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 7:48 PM > To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov > Subject: change in Brazil TS: diff -u > > --- southamerica.orig Thu Aug 10 10:31:37 2000 > +++ southamerica Fri Sep 8 20:25:06 2000 > @@ -365,10 +365,17 @@ > # (1999-08-23) adopted by same states. > # Decree <a href="http://pcdsh01.on.br/DecHV99.gif">3,188</a> > (1999-09-30) > # adds SE, AL, PE, PR, RN, CE, PI, MA and RR. > +Rule Brazil 1999 only - Oct Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 > S > +Rule Brazil 2000 only - Feb lastSun 0:00 0 > - > # These give only one year's rules. After that, the rules are guesses > # and are quite possibly wrong, but are more likely than no DST at all. > -Rule Brazil 1999 max - Oct Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 > S > -Rule Brazil 2000 max - Feb lastSun 0:00 0 > - > +# > +# From Marcos Tadeu <marcos(a)telecom.uff.br> (2000-09-08): > +# Decree 3,592 (2000-08-09): > +# adopted by the states: RS, SC, PR, SP, RJ, ES, MG, GO, MT, MS, TO, > +# BA, SE, AL, PE, PB, RN, CE, PI, MA, RR and DF. > +Rule Brazil 2000 max - Oct Sun>=5 0:00 1:00 > S > +Rule Brazil 2001 max - Feb Sun>=14 0:00 0 > - > > > # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL]

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(Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Yiango Sept. 9, 2000

Sept. 9, 2000

Hello all, [Please CC: replies as I am not on the mailing list] For some reason Nicosia has been listed as being in Asia and not in Europe. Can this please be changed? The tz database is obviously being used by sourceforge.net where I noticed this error -- They redirected me to this list after reporting the bug. Thanks, -- Yiango <yiango(a)programmer.net> [0xD818E622]

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change in Brazil TS: diff -u
by Marcos Tadeu von Lützow Vidal Sept. 8, 2000

Sept. 8, 2000

--- southamerica.orig Thu Aug 10 10:31:37 2000 +++ southamerica Fri Sep 8 20:25:06 2000 @@ -365,10 +365,17 @@ # (1999-08-23) adopted by same states. # Decree <a href="http://pcdsh01.on.br/DecHV99.gif">3,188</a> (1999-09-30) # adds SE, AL, PE, PR, RN, CE, PI, MA and RR. +Rule Brazil 1999 only - Oct Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 S +Rule Brazil 2000 only - Feb lastSun 0:00 0 - # These give only one year's rules. After that, the rules are guesses # and are quite possibly wrong, but are more likely than no DST at all. -Rule Brazil 1999 max - Oct Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 S -Rule Brazil 2000 max - Feb lastSun 0:00 0 - +# +# From Marcos Tadeu <marcos(a)telecom.uff.br> (2000-09-08): +# Decree 3,592 (2000-08-09): +# adopted by the states: RS, SC, PR, SP, RJ, ES, MG, GO, MT, MS, TO, +# BA, SE, AL, PE, PB, RN, CE, PI, MA, RR and DF. +Rule Brazil 2000 max - Oct Sun>=5 0:00 1:00 S +Rule Brazil 2001 max - Feb Sun>=14 0:00 0 - # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL]

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Problem with FTP and TZ database distribution
by Casto, Richard Sept. 6, 2000

Sept. 6, 2000

Friends, The web page at http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm (as well as some other sources on the web) shows you as the source for the TZ code and database. I have been unable to successfully FTP the files from your FTP site. I can... * connect via FTP (anonymous) * change to the /pub directory But when I try to do the 'dir' command I get the following error... "425 Can't build data connection: Connection timed out." Am I doing something wrong? Is there a mirror or alternate location for those files? Richard Casto Sr. Database Developer PeopleClick.com 877.820.4400 voice 919.645.2872 voice (direct) 919.645.2801 fax richard.casto(a)peopleclick.com "Referential Integrity is your friend"

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Spelling
by Jesper Nørgaard Sept. 4, 2000

Sept. 4, 2000

Just a small spelling mistake in the note from Steffen Thorsen in the 'southamerica' file, I think "San Paulo" should be "Sao Paulo" Regards, Jesper Nørgaard Email: jnorgard(a)df1.telmex.net.mx Programador/Analista CIMMYT - Centro Internacional de Mejoramiento de Maíz y Trigo Dirección: CIMMYT, Lisboa 27, 06600 Mexico, D.F. Tel.: +52 (5) 7267541 ext. 1374 Fax: +52 (5) 7267558 Tel. Casa: 53-10-05-95 ó 53-10-97-78 CIMMYT home page: http://www.cimmyt.mx

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Lord Howe Island DST switches
by Jesper Nørgaard Sept. 4, 2000

Sept. 4, 2000

The secretary of Lord Howe Island Board, James Lonergan, said that the island always tries to stay in sync with the rest of NSW at all time except for the fact that they stay ahead half an hour when DST is not observed. If this is interpreted literally, they should change clocks at the exact moment that e.g. Canberra changes from normal to daylight saving and vice versa. In that case I believe Lord Howe should be going on DST at 2:30 local time as well as leaving DST at 3:00 local time. This would make the following change in the tz database: # Lord Howe Island # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S -Rule LH 1996 max - Mar lastSun 2:00s 0 - -Rule LH 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:00s 0:30 - -Rule LH 2001 max - Oct lastSun 2:00s 0:30 - +Rule LH 1996 max - Mar lastSun 2:30s 0 - +Rule LH 2000 only - Aug lastSun 2:30s 0:30 - +Rule LH 2001 max - Oct lastSun 2:30s 0:30 - This would mean that Lord Howe Island changes to DST at 2:30 local time, and leaves DST at 3:00 local time. This would at the same time be 2:00 local time in Canberra entering DST, and 3:00 local time leaving DST. Regards, Jesper Nørgaard Email: jnorgard(a)df1.telmex.net.mx Programador/Analista CIMMYT - Centro Internacional de Mejoramiento de Maíz y Trigo Dirección: CIMMYT, Lisboa 27, 06600 Mexico, D.F. Tel.: +52 (5) 7267541 ext. 1374 Fax: +52 (5) 7267558 Tel. Casa: 53-10-05-95 ó 53-10-97-78 CIMMYT home page: http://www.cimmyt.mx

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RE: Kentucky county switching time zones
by Jesper Nørgaard Sept. 4, 2000

Sept. 4, 2000

Funny, I did not know of any exceptions in Nevada, that is also new to me. The exceptions in Indiana (for instance Gary, Evansville and Hammond) are well know to the tz database. The changes in Kansas and Nevada are mentioned below. I have found some interesting information on ISBISTERs page http://www.worldtimeserver.com which I think deserves to be mentioned on http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm by the way (e.g. a link to that page). ISBISTER claims that there are parts of several states that have different timezone information than the default for the state, basically they are: 1. Florida far west on GMT-6.0 with DST (e.g. city Pensacola), in contrast to the rest of Florida which is on GMT-5.0 with DST. 2. Idaho North on either GMT-8.0 with DST or GMT-7.0 without DST, in contrast to Idaho South on GMT-7.0 with DST. 3. Kansas Western on either GMT-7.0 with DST or on GMT-6.0 without DST, in contrast to Kansas Eastern on GMT-6.0 with DST. 4. Michigan Western on either GMT-6.0 with DST or on GMT-5.0 without DST, in contrast to the rest of Michigan (East & South) on GMT-5.0 with DST. 5. Nebraska Western on either GMT-7.0 with DST or on GMT-6.0 without DST (for instance represented by Scottsbluff), in contrast to Nebraska Eastern on GMT-6.0 with DST. 6. North Dakota (South West area) on either GMT-7.0 with DST or on GMT-6.0 without DST, in contrast to North Dakota (North East area) on GMT-6.0 with DST. 7. Oregon East (small area) on either GMT-7.0 with DST or GMT-6.0 without DST, in contrast to the Oregon West area of GMT-8.0 with DST. 8. South Dakota (Western area) on either GMT-7.0 with DST or GMT-6.0 without DST (represented by Rapid City) in contrast to South Dakota (Eastern area) on GMT-6.0 with DST. 9. Tennessee Western on either GMT-6.0 with DST or GMT-5.0 without DST (e.g. Nashville), in contrast to Tennessee Eastern on GMT-5.0 with DST (Knoxville) 10.Texas West on either GMT-7.0 with DST or GMT-6.0 without DST (El Paso), in contrast to Texas East on GMT-6.0 with DST. The interesting about this is also that each region is shown on a little map so you will get a clear idea which part of a state the rule is covering. I don't know if this is authoritative, but it sure looks worth an investigation. If I understand it correctly, tz database is mostly documenting entries without DST as exceptions, not exceptions which cover different GMT offset with DST within a specific state. Just for the record, this is how I interpret the above towards a list of regions based on states: GMT-8.0 with DST: California, Idaho North, Nevada, Oregon West, Washington. GMT-7.0 with DST: Colorado, Idaho South, Montana, Nebraska West (Scottsbluff), New Mexico, North Dakota (South West area), Oregon East, South Dakota (Western part, e.g. Rapid City), Texas West (El Paso), Utah, Wyoming. GMT-7.0 without DST: Arizona. GMT-6.0 with DST: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida West (Pensacola), Illinois, Indiana (Evansville), Iowa, Kansas West, Kentucky West, Louisiana, Michigan West, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska East, North Dakota (Eastern region), Oklahoma, South Dakota (Eastern region), Tennessee West (Nashville), Texas East, Wisconsin. GMT-5.0 with DST: Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida East, Georgia, Kentucky East, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan East, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee East (Knoxville), Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia. GMT-5.0 without DST: Indiana (Indianapolis). ---------- From: Paul Eggert[SMTP:eggert@twinsun.com] Sent: Martes 29 de Agosto de 2000 12.54 To: richw(a)webcom.com Cc: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: Re: Kentucky county switching time zones Thanks for the info; I'll included it in my next proposed patch. I guess Clinton and Russell Counties are next, huh? That article says: During the past 15 years, communities in Kansas, North Dakota, Indiana, and Nevada have changed time zones. Does anybody know more about this? The current tz data lists changes only in Indiana.

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smithy tools
by akl＠aol.com Sept. 3, 2000

Sept. 3, 2000

hello just wonted to tell ever body to stay a way from SMITHY unless you wont to throw a way money i bought a granite 1339 and all tools 5000.00 worth junk you see they had broken it and then put it in a box the box was not damage in any way what so ever but the equipment was broken i called them at 1-800-476-4849 they said they have my money and there was nothing i could do about i asked them a bout the 30 day warranty they said it was up i told them i only had it 2 weeks and then they hung up on me ive called them many times but they wont talk to me when they find out it is me they put me to voice mail and never call me back but they are wrong i bought a mass mailer program and i am sending thes letters out ever day 100000 of them ever day thank you for your time may be this will save some one ther money

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Update on Australian Time Zone changes for Olympics
by Paul Hill Sept. 2, 2000

Sept. 2, 2000

In case anyone was thrown off by the information at holidayfestival.com related to some of the recent timezone issues in Australia, Brian Prescott-Decie owner of the site reported to me: > >Dear Paul, > >My data comes entirely from tzdata so either I've missed something when >setting up the software that handles this, or else my data file is out of >date. I'll check. Anyway, as stated on the site, our info should not be >regarded as a primary source. The reader is referred back to tzdata! > >Regards, > >Brian > Which was in part a response to: >Paul Hill wrote: >> >> Brian, >> >[...] > Do you have any thoughts on what is going on Australia w/ regard to TZs? This was initiated be Alex Livingston's comments a few weeks back on a discrepancy between The World Holiday site and tzdata. > Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:02:01 +1000 > > 2. the Worldwide Holiday & Festival Site, > http://www.holidayfestival.com/, seems to believe that Broken Hill > (or the shire that contains it, which I can't remember the name of > right now) will be starting daylight saving with the rest of NSW. > This I do not believe: it would make it an island of UT+10:30 with > UT+09:30 to its west and UT+11:00 to its east. Does this reflect the > current tzdata? If so it needs to be corrected. It would be > extraordinary in the extreme for Broken Hill not to stick on the same > time as South Australia, as it has done for I don't know how long. [...] Hope that helps, -Paul

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Summer time and double summer time in the UK, 1940-6
by Joseph S. Myers Sept. 2, 2000

Sept. 2, 2000

I may have mentioned before that the records of summer time in the UK from 1940 to 1946 in the Public Record Office were subject to a 100 year extended closure period. After I requested the Home Office to review this extended closure period in February, they concluded after three months that the records could be opened to the public in their entirety (rather than needing to wait until 2047), and after a further three months for the administrative procedure of actually opening them, they recently became available. I examined them (HO 144/22703 and HO 144/22704) yesterday. They serve to confuse the question of whether the double summer time applied was BDST or DBST; both appear in the records, so Howse's DBST needn't be a typo. On 18th April 1941, Sir Stephen Tallents of the BBC wrote to Sir Alexander Maxwell of the Home Office asking whether there was any official designation; the reply of the 21st was that there wasn't but he couldn't think of anything better than the "Double British Summer Time" that the BBC had been using informally. I've put a copy of the Home Office letter at http://student.cusu.cam.ac.uk/~jsm28/british-time/ho-19410421.png and the BBC letter may follow if I get permission from the BBC. The files contain many objections from irate clergymen to the start of double summer time on Easter Sunday in 1942; one entitled "Pilate---Pharaoh---1942" referring to "Scripture history is being repeated this year through decisions of the Government"; another to "the tyrants of Whitehall, who probably never attend church, & even possibly have never heard of Easter". There are also many newspaper clippings (mainly from Scottish papers) objecting to double summer time in general. -- Joseph S. Myers jsm28(a)cam.ac.uk

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FW: Looking for TZ list
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) Aug. 30, 2000

Aug. 30, 2000

David Feig is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado > -----Original Message----- > From: David Feig [SMTP:david@postinicorp.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:48 PM > To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov > Subject: Looking for TZ list > > I'm looking for a (complete) list of TZ strings in the format like: > > PST8PDT7,116/2:00:00,298/2:00:00 > > Can anyone give me a pointer? > > Please respond directly to me, as I am not on the mailing list. > > Thanks. > > -- David Feig

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