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tzdata2009o - southamerica
by Pablo Nazar Oct. 21, 2009

Oct. 21, 2009

Regards, The Argentinian DST time change for Oct-19 was *not* done in the whole country; several Provinces did *not* change the clocks. Is this the reason why tzdata2009o doesn't contain these changes? (just guessing, I need to ask) Thanks -- Pablo Nazar

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Argentina DST change.
by Veiga Jorge Oct. 21, 2009

Oct. 21, 2009

As you may know, the time zone change to DST time in Argentina was not realized last sunday October 18th. Even though the file southamerica file in current tzdata compilation is right, the DST change in my country is only taken yearly under a political presidential decreet (per decreet basis). I hope this information becomes usefull for you. Regards, Jorge Veiga Telefónica de Argentina * mailto:veigaj@telefonica.com.ar

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proposed time zone packages for Argentina in general and San Juan in particular
by Arthur David Olson Oct. 21, 2009

Oct. 21, 2009

Below you'll find proposed changes to the "southamerica" for Argentina; most of Argentina is not using DST in 2009-2010, but San Juan is. If no problems are found, the ftp package will be updated on 2009-10-26. --ado ------- southamerica ------- *** /tmp/geta114 Wed Oct 21 09:11:40 2009 --- /tmp/getb114 Wed Oct 21 09:11:40 2009 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)southamerica 8.37 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)southamerica 8.39 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 215,223 **** # http://www.jujuy.gov.ar/index2/partes_prensa/18_10_08/235-181008.doc # </a> Rule Arg 2007 only - Dec 30 0:00 1:00 S ! Rule Arg 2008 max - Mar Sun>=15 0:00 0 - ! Rule Arg 2008 max - Oct Sun>=15 0:00 1:00 S # From Mariano Absatz (2004-05-21): # Today it was officially published that the Province of Mendoza is changing --- 215,237 ---- # http://www.jujuy.gov.ar/index2/partes_prensa/18_10_08/235-181008.doc # </a> + # From fullinet (2009-10-18): + # As announced in + # <a hef="http://www.argentina.gob.ar/argentina/portal/paginas.dhtml?pagina=356"> + # http://www.argentina.gob.ar/argentina/portal/paginas.dhtml?pagina=356 + # </a> + # (an official .gob.ar) under title: "Sin Cambio de Hora" (english: "No hour change") + # + # "Por el momento, el Gobierno Nacional resolvio no modificar la hora + # oficial, decision que estaba en estudio para su implementacion el + # domingo 18 de octubre. Desde el Ministerio de Planificacion se anuncio + # que la Argentina hoy, en estas condiciones meteorologicas, no necesita + # la modificacion del huso horario, ya que 2009 nos encuentra con + # crecimiento en la produccion y distribucion energetica." + Rule Arg 2007 only - Dec 30 0:00 1:00 S ! Rule Arg 2008 2009 - Mar Sun>=15 0:00 0 - ! Rule Arg 2008 only - Oct Sun>=15 0:00 1:00 S # From Mariano Absatz (2004-05-21): # Today it was officially published that the Province of Mendoza is changing *************** *** 389,433 **** # during 2009, this timezone change will run from 00:00 the third Sunday # in March until 24:00 of the second Saturday in October. ! # From Arthur David Olson (2009-03-16): ! # The unofficial claim at ! # <a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/san-luis-new-time-zone.html"> ! # http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/san-luis-new-time-zone.html ! # </a> ! # is that "The province will most likely follow the next daylight saving schedule, ! # which is planned for the second Sunday in October." ! ! # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2009-09-19): ! # Some Argentinian Provinces (Buenos Aires, Entre Ríos) are opposing to the ! # Daylight Saving Time for the 2009-2010 season. # ! # (Spanish) ! # "El cambio de huso horario en Entre Ríos deberá ser aprobado por la ! # Legislatura": ! # <a href="http://www.analisisdigital.com.ar/noticias.php?ed=1&di=0&no=110168"> ! # http://www.analisisdigital.com.ar/noticias.php?ed=1&di=0&no=110168 # </a> ! # English translation - "The time zone change in Entre Rios must be approved by ! # the Legislature." # ! # (Spanish) ! # "Mar del Plata no quiere cambiar la hora." ! # <a href="http://www.mensajeroweb.com.ar/index.php?x=nota/33861/1/mar-del-plata-no-qu…"> ! # http://www.mensajeroweb.com.ar/index.php?x=nota/33861/1/mar-del-plata-no-qu… ! # </a> ! # English translation - "Mar del Plata is not to change the time" # ! # or ! # (some English translation) ! # <a href="http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_argentina07.html"> ! # http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_argentina07.html ! # </a> - # From Arthur David Olson (2009-09-22): - # "Mar del Plata no quiere cambiar la hora" translates to - # "Mar del Plata doesn't want to change the time" - # (less definitive than "is not to"). - # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] # # Buenos Aires (BA), Capital Federal (CF), --- 403,442 ---- # during 2009, this timezone change will run from 00:00 the third Sunday # in March until 24:00 of the second Saturday in October. ! # From Mariano Absatz (2009-10-16): ! # ...the Province of San Luis is a case in itself. # ! # The Law at ! # <a href="http://www.diputadossanluis.gov.ar/diputadosasp/paginas/verNorma.asp?NormaI…>" ! # http://www.diputadossanluis.gov.ar/diputadosasp/paginas/verNorma.asp?NormaI… # </a> ! # is ambiguous because establishes a calendar from the 2nd Sunday in ! # October at 0:00 thru the 2nd Saturday in March at 24:00 and the ! # complement of that starting on the 2nd Sunday of March at 0:00 and ! # ending on the 2nd Saturday of March at 24:00. # ! # This clearly breaks every time the 1st of March or October is a Sunday. # ! # IMHO, the "spirit of the Law" is to make the changes at 0:00 on the 2nd ! # Sunday of October and March. ! # ! # The problem is that the changes in the rest of the Provinces that did ! # change in 2007/2008, were made according to the Federal Law and Decrees ! # that did so on the 3rd Sunday of October and March. ! # ! # In fact, San Luis actually switched from UTC-4 to UTC-3 last Sunday ! # (October 11th) at 0:00. ! # ! # So I guess a new set of rules, besides "Arg", must be made and the last ! # America/Argentina/San_Luis entries should change to use these... ! # ! # I'm enclosing a patch that does what I say... regretfully, the San Luis ! # timezone must be called "WART/WARST" even when most of the time (like, ! # right now) WARST == ART... that is, since last Sunday, all the country ! # is using UTC-3, but in my patch, San Luis calls it "WARST" and the rest ! # of the country calls it "ART". ! # ... # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] # # Buenos Aires (BA), Capital Federal (CF), *************** *** 560,565 **** --- 569,578 ---- -3:00 - ART # # San Luis (SL) + + Rule SanLuis 2008 max - Mar Sun>=8 0:00 0 - + Rule SanLuis 2008 max - Oct Sun>=8 0:00 1:00 S + Zone America/Argentina/San_Luis -4:25:24 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 -4:16:48 - CMT 1920 May -4:00 - ART 1930 Dec *************** *** 574,581 **** -3:00 - ART 2004 May 31 -4:00 - WART 2004 Jul 25 -3:00 Arg AR%sT 2008 Jan 21 ! -3:00 - ART 2009 Mar 15 ! -4:00 Arg WAR%sT # # Santa Cruz (SC) Zone America/Argentina/Rio_Gallegos -4:36:52 - LMT 1894 Oct 31 --- 587,593 ---- -3:00 - ART 2004 May 31 -4:00 - WART 2004 Jul 25 -3:00 Arg AR%sT 2008 Jan 21 ! -4:00 SanLuis WAR%sT # # Santa Cruz (SC) Zone America/Argentina/Rio_Gallegos -4:36:52 - LMT 1894 Oct 31

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FW: Argentina 2009-2010: No DST officialy
by Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] Oct. 21, 2009

Oct. 21, 2009

I'm forwarding this message from "fullinet", an address that's not on the time zone mailing list. Those of you who are on the list, lease direct replies appropriately. --ado From: Full Inet [mailto:fullinet@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:17 To: tz(a)lecserver.nci.nih.gov Subject: Argentina 2009-2010: No DST officialy As announced in http://www.argentina.gob.ar/argentina/portal/paginas.dhtml?pagina=356 (an official .gob.ar) under title: "Sin Cambio de Hora" (english: "No hour change") "Por el momento, el Gobierno Nacional resolvió no modificar la hora oficial, decisión que estaba en estudio para su implementación el domingo 18 de octubre. Desde el Ministerio de Planificación se anunció que la Argentina hoy, en estas condiciones meteorológicas, no necesita la modificación del huso horario, ya que 2009 nos encuentra con crecimiento en la producción y distribución energética." So, the database should be updated.

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tzdata report - Argentina's time change
by JAP Oct. 20, 2009

Oct. 20, 2009

Itś necessary to add this change at tzdata/southamerica file: Change this lines Rule Arg 2008 max - Mar Sun>=15 0:00 0 - Rule Arg 2008 max - Oct Sun>=15 0:00 1:00 S to this others Rule Arg 2008 2009 - Mar Sun>=15 0:00 0 - Rule Arg 2008 only - Oct Sun>=15 0:00 1:00 S If you need more information, see http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1186963 "The government suspended the time change" Javier Piendibene

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tzdata2009o.tar.gz
by Olson, Arthur David (NIH/NCI) [E] Oct. 19, 2009

Oct. 19, 2009

The file... ftp://elsie.nci.nih.gov/pub/tzdata2009o.tar.gz ...is now available; this reflects the Samoa (commentary only), Paikstan, and Bangladesh changes circulated last week on the time zone mailing list. I plan to send out proposed changes for South America in two days, with tzdata2009p.tar.gz appearing in seven days; some folks may want to wait a week before updating. --ado

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[Fwd: Fwd: Please stop the change to Argentina's summer time.]
by Mariano Absatz - El Baby Oct. 19, 2009

Oct. 19, 2009

Hi, Margarita is not on the tz mailing list and she asked me to forward this to you.... if you want replies to reach her, don't forget to add her address to the Cc: As this paper news (http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1187055 <http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1187055>) that Arnaldo just sent to the list, confirms, there will be no DST change in Argentina this weekend (although the Decree wasn't published in time). I checked Margarita's patch and it seems OK to me (for what I read last year, she works with the Debian people helping them maintain the tzdata package at least in stuff related to Argentina). Regards. -- Mariano Absatz - "El Baby" baby(a)baby.com.ar www.clueless.com.ar ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Margarita Manterola <margamanterola(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:30 AM Subject: Please stop the change to Argentina's summer time. To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov It looks like it's almost certain that no change will take place on Sunday: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/nota.asp?nota_id=1186963&pid=7542694&toi=6275 "El Gobierno suspende el cambio de hora" -> Government postpones the time change. http://www.boletinsantafesino.com.ar/noticia.php?subaction=showfull&id=1255… "El domingo no cambiará la hora oficial, el gobierno nacional dio marcha atrás" -> the time won't change on Sunday, national government has changed its mind. And several others like that. I'm really sorry for living in such a stupid country that can't take decisions like these with more than 2 days of anticipation. The worse thing is that the news say that they might finally decide to implement it later on, and I'm sure it'll be done with the same amount of time of anticipation :(. I'm attaching a patch to fix it for now, until they decide to tell us when the time will change, if it changes. -- Besos, Marga -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - Theory is when you know something but it doesn't work. - Practice is when something works but you don't know why. - Usually we combine theory and practice: Nothing works and we don't know why. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org

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New initiative for DST in Juarez, Chihuahua (Mexico)
by Alexander Krivenyshev Oct. 19, 2009

Oct. 19, 2009

There is a new initiative or intention to redeem the proposal ("frozen" in the previous legislature) to approve the new DST schedule in the municipality of Juarez, Chihuahua state (Mexico): (Spanish) http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.php?notaid=26d0da68d4e7efd3e7c7f4fed0b6c466 (Spanish) A eso se le añadiría “en el caso del municipio de Juárez, en el estado de Chihuahua, esta aplicación surtirá efecto desde las dos horas del segundo domingo de marzo y concluirá a las dos horas del primer domingo de noviembre”. or (English) http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_mexico05.html …would add "in the municipality of Juarez, Chihuahua State, the DST application shall take from two hours the second Sunday in March and end at two hours the first Sunday in November." DST starts in El Paso, USA (second Sunday in March) 3 weeks before DST starts in Juarez, Mexico (First Sunday in April). DST ends in El Paso, USA (first Sunday in November) 1 week after DST ends in Juarez, Mexico (Last Sunday in October). 4 weeks of DST mismatch in USA and Mexico (3 weeks in spring and 1 week in autumn) is affecting communities on both sides of the border. -------------------- Alexander Krivenyshev (World Time Zone) http://www.worldtimezone.com

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Regarding Argentina/San_Luis
by Mariano Absatz - El Baby Oct. 18, 2009

Oct. 18, 2009

Hi, this one I missed... Besides today's breaking news about Argentina not changing to DST this summer, the Province of San Luis is a case in itself. The Law at http://www.diputadossanluis.gov.ar/diputadosasp/paginas/verNorma.asp?NormaI… is ambiguous because establishes a calendar from the 2nd Sunday in October at 0:00 thru the 2nd Saturday in March at 24:00 and the complement of that starting on the 2nd Sunday of March at 0:00 and ending on the 2nd Saturday of March at 24:00. This clearly breaks every time the 1st of March or October is a Sunday. IMHO, the "spirit of the Law" is to make the changes at 0:00 on the 2nd Sunday of October and March. The problem is that the changes in the rest of the Provinces that did change in 2007/2008, were made according to the Federal Law and Decrees that did so on the 3rd Sunday of October and March. In fact, San Luis actually switched from UTC-4 to UTC-3 last Sunday (October 11th) at 0:00. So I guess a new set of rules, besides "Arg", must be made and the last America/Argentina/San_Luis entries should change to use these... I'm enclosing a patch that does what I say... regretfully, the San Luis timezone must be called "WART/WARST" even when most of the time (like, right now) WARST == ART... that is, since last Sunday, all the country is using UTC-3, but in my patch, San Luis calls it "WARST" and the rest of the country calls it "ART". The patch includes the previous patch from Margarita. Of course, there is no indication that any time soon, the Federal Government says anything about what will happen next year... probably they will decide by mid-October 2010 :-( Regards. -- Mariano Absatz - "El Baby" baby(a)baby.com.ar www.clueless.com.ar -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Justify my text? I'm sorry but it has no excuse. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org

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Argentina 2009-2010: No DST officialy
by Full Inet Oct. 18, 2009

Oct. 18, 2009

As announced in http://www.argentina.gob.ar/argentina/portal/paginas.dhtml?pagina=356 (an official .gob.ar) under title: "Sin Cambio de Hora" (english: "No hour change") "Por el momento, el Gobierno Nacional resolvió no modificar la hora oficial, decisión que estaba en estudio para su implementación el domingo 18 de octubre. Desde el Ministerio de Planificación se anunció que la Argentina hoy, en estas condiciones meteorológicas, no necesita la modificación del huso horario, ya que 2009 nos encuentra con crecimiento en la producción y distribución energética." So, the database should be updated.

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