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Re: Fw: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Yiango Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

> Yiango, do you have any references to quote to the contrary? First of all I'd like to apologize for the somewhat slow reply. I've asked a friend (an other fellow Cypriot, Alexia Galati) to help out, and she very kindly spent some time at the library looking up information to re-enforce my original request that Cyprus should be listed under Europe instead of Asia. There is no doubt that indeed Cyprus in numerous locations is listed as being in Asia. This became especially more evident to me after reading Gwillim Law's reply. I'd still like a shot at convincing you guys to the contrary, even if my attempts end up being futile. A few relevant references are the following: - In the Readers' digest, Atlas of the World (1999), Cyprus and Turkey are included in the political map of Europe. (However this does not totally debunk your argument since it is also included in the Asian map). My point in mentioning this is that the evidence that you have presented is far from conclusive. - Cyprus is also included in "the political map of Europe in 1999" which is presented in the list of tables of the book "Nationalizing and Denationalising European Border Regions, 1800-2000: Views from Geography and History" ed. by Hands Knippenberg and Jan Markusse. I realise that the tz archive should actually be following "standard geographical practice" but is it not wrong to ignore basic facts such as Cyprus' participation in the European arena? Cyprus is politically, culturally and historically part of Europe and participates in most of its institutions (it has been a full member of the Council of Europe since 1961). How about Cyprus' potential future admission into the EU? At least on the Greek side, one could claim how the Greek-cypriot community upholds the Greek culture, language and religion that are undoubtably European (they are in fact the predescents of many aspects of European culture itself). Even the Turkish-cypriot community, although of Anatolian origin, has a claim over European identity proved by a) the fact there's a lot of cultural convergence between Greek and Turkish Cypriots and b) Turkey's endeavors to become an EU member. Though I'm definately not an expert in this subject, how could one prove that the existing boundaries are conclusive? From the Yearbook of European Studies (V6), ed. by J.Th.Leersen and M. Van Montfrans, 1993; there's an interesting article called "Political and Mental Borders" by Alexandru Dutu (who's President of the Center for South-East European studies at Bucharest). Here's a lovely quote: "Borders usually take shape in political circles and result from the talks among political representatives of the major powers. But politicians always pay attention to how people establish their identity and define "the others". Borders result from our need to settle limits to space and time and to discover ourselves in the "others": their roots are to be found in the world of imagination...It would be wrong to seperate "real" from "imaginary" borders, since frontiers are the products of our thought, feeling and imagination." With the above quotation, I'd like to contest the legitimacy and validity of purely geographical frontiers that are used in segmenting the globe (because frontiers are in themselves imaginary, determined on the negotiation table of political powers, etc.). I, therefore, do not wish to categorize Cyprus on the basis of cartographic evidence (as it could actually be really hard to prove that Cyprus is not also a part of Asia -- but we are nevertheless also presented as being a part of Europe in various references.) Regards, Yiango Yiangoullis

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Continents in tz database? (was: Cyprus)
by Janis.Papanagnou＠varetis.de Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

What is the practical necessity to support continent information with the tz database entries ? Are there any ambiguities otherwise, or is it just a historical convention ? Is it continent information at all ? Besides the continents you find also tags like Pacific and Atlantic in it, so I assume the main reason is to have some impression where this zone is. Inspecting the tz files it seems to me that this information is not necessarily needed, because the entries can be distinguished by the city name unambiguously. If that would not be the case I'd add the country. My understanding is that timezones are bound to countries and their legislation, while continents are mainly geologically defined. Removing continent information would remove the somewhat political question with Cyprus. If continent information is considered necessary in the tz database, then, from a practical point of view, I assume Cyprus would better fit in the European/EU sector - occasionally the same for Turkey in the future -, because of the orientation towards the EU. With the political, religious, social and cultural background of Cyprus, it would never come to my mind to search for Cyprus in Asia, Africa, or elsewhere. But that's just me :-) Janis --- Janis Papanagnou Janis.P(a)beer.com

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Timezone and Daylight Saving Time data
by Sara Eline Eide & Odin Roll-Hansen Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

Hello At the moment I am making an astrology computer program using Delphi 3 in a Windows 95 environment. I am in need of historic and present datas for timezones and daylight saving time of the countries of the world. Can you help me? Yours sincerely Odin Roll-Hansen

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Re: Fw: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Dik.Winter＠cwi.nl Sept. 15, 2000

Sept. 15, 2000

[] > I realise that the tz archive should actually be following "standard > geographical practice" but is it not wrong to ignore basic facts such > as Cyprus' participation in the European arena? Cyprus is politically, > culturally and historically part of Europe and participates in most of > its institutions (it has been a full member of the Council of Europe > since 1961). How about Cyprus' potential future admission into the EU? Similar claims can be made by Israel, that does not make Israel an European country. But I would not oppose to make Cyprus part of both Europe and Asia, we have also Turkey in that position (but for that country the position is of course stronger). dik -- dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131 home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

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FW: New daylight savings time in Brazil
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) Sept. 14, 2000

Sept. 14, 2000

Andre Gerhard is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Andre Gerhard [mailto:andre@mail.lme.usp.br] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 5:59 PM To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: New daylight savings time in Brazil Hello, This patch corrects a typo mistake in Brazil's timezone for 1999, and also introduces the new time zones for daylight savings time in 2000/2001, a decree from 09/06/2000. The daylight savings time for 1999/2000 is also included. Patch created with the command "diff -Naur tzdata/southamerica tzdata.new/southamerica", timezone is UTC0. The site http://www.presidencia.gov.br/CCIVIL/decreto/principal_ano.htm seems to be the "official" decrees site in Brazil, the site http://pcdsh01.on.br/DecHV.html is from the time service but apparently is storing a copy from the information of the site above (the DST information for this year was released first in the first site cited). Sincerely, Andre Gerhard System/Network Administrator University of Sao Paulo - Brazil --- tzdata/southamerica Thu Sep 14 18:08:11 2000 +++ tzdata.new/southamerica Thu Sep 14 14:11:44 2000 @@ -364,11 +364,16 @@ # Decree <a href="http://pcdsh01.on.br/figuras/HV3150.gif">3,150</a> # (1999-08-23) adopted by same states. # Decree <a href="http://pcdsh01.on.br/DecHV99.gif">3,188</a> (1999-09-30) -# adds SE, AL, PE, PR, RN, CE, PI, MA and RR. +# adds SE, AL, PE, PB, RN, CE, PI, MA and RR. +Rule Brazil 1999 only - Oct 3 0:00 1:00 S +Rule Brazil 2000 only - Feb 27 0:00 0 - +# Decree <a href="http://www.presidencia.gov.br/CCIVIL/decreto/D3592.htm">3592</a> (2000-09-06) adopted by RS, SC, PR, SP, RJ, ES, MG, GO, MT, MS, TO, BA, SE, AL, PE, PB, RN, CE, PI, MA and DF. +Rule Brazil 2000 only - Oct 8 0:00 1:00 S +Rule Brazil 2001 only - Feb 18 0:00 0 - # These give only one year's rules. After that, the rules are guesses # and are quite possibly wrong, but are more likely than no DST at all. -Rule Brazil 1999 max - Oct Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 S -Rule Brazil 2000 max - Feb lastSun 0:00 0 - +Rule Brazil 2001 max - Oct Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 S +Rule Brazil 2002 max - Feb lastSun 0:00 0 - # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL]

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Cyprus
by Manavendra Thakur Sept. 14, 2000

Sept. 14, 2000

My vote is to list Cyprus under both Europe and Asia. Users can then navigate to Cyprus' timezone settings via whichever path their inclinations lead them to use. Manavendra Thakur

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Cyprus
by Oscar van Vlijmen Sept. 13, 2000

Sept. 13, 2000

Cyprus would like to be a European coutry, not an Asian coutry: -------------------------------- >From the website of the Cypriotic government: http://www.pio.gov.cy/cyprus/facts.htm International Relations Cyprus is a member of: United Nations Organisation (UN) 1960, Council of Europe (CoE) 1961, Commonwealth of Nations 1961, Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) 1975, Non-Aligned Movement 1960, World Trade Organisation (WTO) 1995, and many other organisations, Relations with the European Union (EU) Customs Union Agreement 1987, Application for EU membership 1990, Commencement of substantive accession talks with EU 1998 -------------------------------- Still not a member of the European union though. Oscar van Vlijmen 2000-09-13

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FW: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) Sept. 12, 2000

Sept. 12, 2000

Yiango is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado > -----Original Message----- > From: Yiango [SMTP:yiango@programmer.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 6:36 AM > To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov > Subject: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia. > > Hello all, > > [Please CC: replies as I am not on the mailing list] > > For some reason Nicosia has been listed as being in Asia and not in > Europe. Can this please be changed? > > The tz database is obviously being used by sourceforge.net where I noticed > this error -- They redirected me to this list after reporting the bug. > > Thanks, > > -- > Yiango <yiango(a)programmer.net> [0xD818E622]

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Re: (Cyprus), Nicosia is in Europe not Asia.
by Gwillim Law Sept. 12, 2000

Sept. 12, 2000

I wrote, > ... The > Columbia Encyclopedia's article on Asia says, "The conventional boundary > with Europe--which may be said geographically to be a peninsula of the > Eurasian land mass--lies approximately along the Ural mts., the Ural river, > and the Caspian Sea. Thus defined, Asia, including Ceylon but excluding the > islands of Japan, ...". I didn't find any reference books that place Ceylon > in Europe. I'm sorry, my mind was wandering. The Encyclopedia does say Ceylon, which is irrelevant to the thread. It doesn't mention Cyprus at all. In the last sentence, I meant to write Cyprus instead of Ceylon. Yours, Gwillim Law

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FW: time converters
by Olson, Arthur David (NCI) Sept. 12, 2000

Sept. 12, 2000

Y. garcia is not on the time zone mailing list; direct replies appropriately. --ado -----Original Message----- From: Y. Garcia [mailto:yyhg@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:06 PM To: tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov Subject: time converters Do you know of any resources that convert time between different world zones for years prior to 1970 (at least as early as 1936)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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