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Re: [tz] Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011
by Tobias Conradi April 30, 2012

April 30, 2012

1) I am not your mate. 2) The question was not rhetorical. 3) You are not the position to decide what is needed and what not. 4) I know Ado does this voluntary as anyone else that did contribute facts. Maybe you too. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Paw Boel Nielsen <pawboelnielsen(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey mate, > > About your latest mail to the tz-mail-list: > >>> Does >>> anyone know whether folks in Russia now think of themselves as being >>> on "permanent daylight saving time" or think of themselves as having >>> new, different standard times? >>"folks" sounds quite unspecific. Do you mean people living in areas that >> "did not turn its clocks back in the fall" as claimed in the first sentence? > > I am assuming you comment about "folks" is rhetorical in which case kindly > refrain from posting that kind of comments in the future, it doesn't add > anything positive to the forum. > Ado does his work voluntarily, and your comment is unneeded. > > Kind regards, > Paw > > > -----Original > Message----- > From: tz-bounces(a)iana.org [mailto:tz-bounces@iana.org] On Behalf Of Tobias > Conradi > Sent: 29 April 2012 20:24 > To: tz(a)iana.org > Subject: [tz] Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011 > > On Sun, Apr 29, > 2012 at 4:50 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson...> wrote: > >> 1. Some > areas of Russia reportedly changed time zones in 2011. Does >> anyone know > the exact instants at which these changes were made (both >> date and > time for each affected region, since the instant at which the >> change was > made may vary from region to region)? > Could you name > what areas you refer to, so people can search more precisely for what you > want > to know? > > Which reports do > you refer to? > > In 2011 there > were talks on the mailing list about issues with Yakutia and with Sakhalin. > > I myself did > suggest new zones that may be needed, given the old information in the tzdb > was > correct: > http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-September/008799.html > >> 2. In 2010 > much of Russia did not turn its clocks back in the fall. > Can you cite a > reference for that claim? > >> Does >> anyone know > whether folks in Russia now think of themselves as being >> on > "permanent daylight saving time" or think of themselves as having >> new, > different standard times? > "folks" > sounds quite unspecific. Do you mean people living in areas that "did not > turn its clocks back in the fall" as claimed in the first sentence? > > -- > Tobias Conradi > Rheinsberger > Str. 18 > 10115 Berlin > Germany > > http://tobiasconradi.com > -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011
by Tobias Conradi April 29, 2012

April 29, 2012

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson...> wrote: > 1. Some areas of Russia reportedly changed time zones in 2011. Does anyone > know the exact instants at which these changes were made (both date and time > for each affected region, since the instant at which the change was made may > vary from region to region)? Could you name what areas you refer to, so people can search more precisely for what you want to know? Which reports do you refer to? In 2011 there were talks on the mailing list about issues with Yakutia and with Sakhalin. I myself did suggest new zones that may be needed, given the old information in the tzdb was correct: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-September/008799.html > 2. In 2010 much of Russia did not turn its clocks back in the fall. Can you cite a reference for that claim? > Does > anyone know whether folks in Russia now think of themselves as being on > "permanent daylight saving time" or think of themselves as having new, > different standard times? "folks" sounds quite unspecific. Do you mean people living in areas that "did not turn its clocks back in the fall" as claimed in the first sentence? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Samoa error in backward file
by Timo Kähkönen April 7, 2012

April 7, 2012

Hi, I downloaded the file ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/tzdata-latest.tar.gz and noticed one error in a text file named "backward". Backward file has two zones, which both link to Pacific/Pago_Pago. These are the two rows: Link Pacific/Pago_Pago Pacific/Samoa Link Pacific/Pago_Pago US/Samoa I'm not sure, but I assume that the record is wrong. There are two countries: 1. Samoa (WS), which Capital is Apia. Timezone UTC+13, Summer Time UTC+14 (Note! The same offsets than in Pacific/Apia) 2. American Samoa (AS), whose capital is Pago Pago. Timezone Samoa Standard Time (SST), UTC-11 (Note! THe same offsets than in Pacific/Pago_Pago. So, I assume that the rows should be: Link Pacific/Apia Pacific/Samoa Link Pacific/Pago_Pago US/Samoa Please correct if I'm wrong. Timo Kähkönen

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Paul Eggert as new coordinator?
by Arthur David Olson April 7, 2012

April 7, 2012

I've been in touch with Paul Eggert; Paul is willing to serve as time zone coordinator. Paul has been part of the time zone community since the early 1990s; folks can read the database files to see the depth of Paul's involvement. I'd appreciate reactions to Paul's offer; please respond within the next week. (I hope to have a new coordinator in place sooner rather than later.) --ado

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tzdata2012c released
by Robert Elz April 2, 2012

April 2, 2012

The file ftp://munnari.oz.au/pub/tzdata2012c.tar.gz is now available. This reflects the changes circulated last week by the tz co-ordinator (Arthur David Olson). Just in case it isn't obvious, this is a data only update (no code changes) tzcode2012b remains the current code version. The executive summary of the changes: africa Summer time changes for Morocco (to start late April 2012) asia Changes for 2012 for Gaza & the West Bank (Hebron) and Syria northamerica Haiti following US/Canada rules for 2012 (and we're assuming, for now anyway, for the future). Crypto hashes using several algorithms from NetBSD's pkgsrc digest program are appended, you can use these to verify that you have successfully fetched the same file that I intended to distribute (which is a tar.gz file that ado sent me to distribute). A few words on the logistics of all of this ... my term maintaining this stuff ended when ado & Paul returned after the law suit was withdrawn. For now, Arthur is the co-ordinator again, but as you have all seen on the list, the plan is for Paul to take over soon, in accordance with Arthur's long stated plan to retire sometime this year. The files are still being distributed from munnari.oz.au as (as I understand it) elsie is no longer available for this function, and arrangements to make it convenient to use the IANA site as a distribution point will probably not be made until after Paul has taken over. I expect the file will be copied to the IANA site sometime later today. kre MD5 (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = cfdc2710bd05c26dbd624441d57028f6 RMD160 (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = cf38b711231e0ddba2b4c0f7be4d18658d751774 SHA1 (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = e0cd9c2cc0ac8d90ed842133b910d4bb3bc1a6dd SHA512 (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = c43630f0bf1973b368229c788da90965d7c8b0d6dc8aa0f4bcbfac018a8c8291e1eb21cae05282df2eba6ec9a647c53c02fd92fea91fd5cb93855808387e52b9 TIGER (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = 75f21b8b8645630cf679fbdd37f5d5789ace4ad69ebe9f26 WHIRLPOOL (tzdata2012c.tar.gz) = 119d8076a88287eb5063bd977aa63eaf918310e33b1d1f4fc60ad9ad72ed9b1d62918345e6f5786ca0ce6d5b938db1e33d05c0bdfdf70d1bd22a10ee825cf99d

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Re: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator?
by ctoraman＠isbank.net.tr March 29, 2012

March 29, 2012

+1 Gönderen: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <cdl(a)asgaard.org> Tarih: Perşembe, Mart 29, 2012 2:38 pm Konu: Re: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator? > +1 > > Chris > > On 28Mar2012, at 19.12, Robert Masters wrote: > > > I think Paul is an excellent choice. > > > > My deepest thanks to him for agreeing to take over, and to you, > Arthur, for all your work in creating this. > > > > -Rob > > > > From: tz-bounces(a)iana.org [tz-bounces(a)iana.org] On Behalf Of > Arthur David Olson > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2012 10:51 AM > > To: tz(a)iana.org > > Subject: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator? > > > > I've been in touch with Paul Eggert; > > Paul is willing to serve as time zone coordinator. > > Paul has been part of the time zone community since the early 1990s; > > folks can read the database files to see the depth of Paul's > involvement.> > > I'd appreciate reactions to Paul's offer; > > please respond within the next week. > > (I hope to have a new coordinator in place sooner rather than > later.)> > > --ado > > > > > ************************************************************************> Bunnings Legal Disclaimer: > > > > 1) This email is confidential and may contain legally privileged > > information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not > > disclose or use the information contained in it. If you have > received> this email in error, please notify us immediately by > return email and > > delete the document. > > > > 2) All emails sent to and sent from Bunnings Group Limited. > > are scanned for content. Any material deemed to contain > inappropriate> subject matter will be reported to the email > administrator of all > > parties concerned. > > > ************************************************************************ > -- > 李柯睿 > Check my PGP key here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.asc > Current vCard here: https://www.asgaard.org/~cdl/cdl.vcf > Check my calendar availability: https://tungle.me/cdl > > >

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Re: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator?
by SM March 29, 2012

March 29, 2012

At 19:50 26-03-2012, Arthur David Olson wrote: >I've been in touch with Paul Eggert; >Paul is willing to serve as time zone coordinator. >Paul has been part of the time zone community since the early 1990s; The time zone database will be in good hands with Paul Eggert serving as time zone coordinator. Regards, -sm

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Re: [tz] Paul Eggert as new coordinator?
by Ephraim Silverberg March 28, 2012

March 28, 2012

> I'd appreciate reactions to Paul's offer; > please respond within the next week. I wholeheartedly support the choice of Paul Eggert as TZ coordinator. Ephraim _____________________________________ Ephraim Silverberg, CSE System Group, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel. Phone/Fax number: +972-2-5494521

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Nagorno-Karabakh abolishing Daylight Saving Time
by Alexander Krivenyshev March 28, 2012

March 28, 2012

According to news Nagorno-Karabakh (de facto independent republic, disputed between Armenia and Azerbaijan) is abolishing Daylight Saving Time. about Nagorno-Karabakh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_Republic (in Russian) Nagorno-Karabakh rejects daylight saving time. http://nbnews.com.ua/news/34302/ http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/203632/ some translation from Russian: According to the Department of Information and Public Relations of the government of Nagorno-Karabakh, the government void decision "On a new procedure for the calculation time of the Nagorno-Karabakh" (October 25, 1996), which used to regulate transition to DST or (brief) http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_nagorno-karabakh01.html P.S. Armenia will not observe DST in 2012 and Azerbaijan begins DST on March 25, 2012. Alexander Krivenyshev- WorldTimeZone.com http://www.worldtimezone.com

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proposed time zone package changes (Morocco, Haiti, Syria, West Bank, Gaza)
by Arthur David Olson March 27, 2012

March 27, 2012

I've attached "2012c.txt" with proposed time zone package changes; for convenience, the text appears below (as munged by Gmail). A summary: africa Morocco 2012 DST from last Sunday in April through last Sunday in September. asia Insert missing html directive at top of file. Change start of DST in Syria to last Friday in March in 2012 and (as a guess) forward. Starts and (guessed) ends of DST in West Bank and Gaza for 2012. northamerica Start and end of DST in Haiti in 2012 according to US rules. I'll send tarballs to KRE for possible use at munnari. --ado diff -r -c old/africa new/africa *** old/africa 2012-03-27 11:38:41.434131900 -0400 --- new/africa 2012-03-27 11:39:34.942225900 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)africa 8.33 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)africa 8.35 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 768,773 **** --- 768,804 ---- # wall clock time (i.e. 11pm UTC), but that's what I would assume. It has # also been like that in the past. + # From Alexander Krivenyshev (2012-03-09): + # According to Infomédiaire web site from Morocco (infomediaire.ma ), + # on March 9, 2012, (in French) Heure légale: + # Le Maroc adopte officiellement l'heure d'été + # <a href=" http://www.infomediaire.ma/news/maroc/heure-l%C3%A9gale-le-maroc-adopte-off… "> + # http://www.infomediaire.ma/news/maroc/heure-l%C3%A9gale-le-maroc-adopte-off… + # </a> + # Governing Council adopted draft decree, that Morocco DST starts on + # the last Sunday of March (March 25, 2012) and ends on + # last Sunday of September (September 30, 2012) + # except the month of Ramadan. + # or (brief) + # <a href="http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_morocco06.html"> + # http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_morocco06.html + # </a> + + # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-10): + # The infomediaire.ma source indicates that the system is to be in + # effect every year. It gives 03H00 as the "fall back" time of day; + # it lacks a "spring forward" time of day; assume 2:00 XXX. + # Wait on specifying the Ramadan exception for details about + # start date, start time of day, end date, and end time of day XXX. + + # From Christophe Tropamer (2012-03-16): + # Seen Morocco change again: + # <a href="http://www.le2uminutes.com/actualite.php"> + # http://www.le2uminutes.com/actualite.php + # </a> + # "...à partir du dernier dimance d'avril et non fins mars, + # comme annoncé précédemment." + # RULE NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule Morocco 1939 only - Sep 12 0:00 1:00 S *************** *** 793,798 **** --- 824,832 ---- Rule Morocco 2010 only - Aug 8 0:00 0 - Rule Morocco 2011 only - Apr 3 0:00 1:00 S Rule Morocco 2011 only - Jul 31 0 0 - + Rule Morocco 2012 max - Apr lastSun 2:00 1:00 S + Rule Morocco 2012 max - Sep lastSun 3:00 0 - + # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone Africa/Casablanca -0:30:20 - LMT 1913 Oct 26 0:00 Morocco WE%sT 1984 Mar 16 diff -r -c old/asia new/asia *** old/asia 2012-03-27 11:38:41.449731900 -0400 --- new/asia 2012-03-27 12:17:45.198848600 -0400 *************** *** 1,4 **** ! # @(#)asia 8.70 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- ! # <pre> ! # @(#)asia 8.73 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 2247,2252 **** --- 2248,2276 ---- # http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=424808 # </a> + # From Steffen Thorsen (2012-03-26): + # Palestinian news sources tell that both Gaza and West Bank will start DST + # on Friday (Thursday midnight, 2012-03-29 24:00). + # Some of many sources in Arabic: + # <a href="http://www.samanews.com/index.php?act=Show&id=122638"> + # http://www.samanews.com/index.php?act=Show&id=122638 + # </a> + # + # <a href=" http://safa.ps/details/news/74352/%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%… "> + # http://safa.ps/details/news/74352/%D8%A8%D8%AF%D8%A1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%… + # </a> + # + # Our brief summary: + # <a href=" http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/gaza-west-bank-dst-2012.html"> + # http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/gaza-west-bank-dst-2012.html + # </a> + + # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-27): + # The timeanddate article for 2012 says that "the end date has not yet been + # announced" and that "Last year, both...paused daylight saving time during... + # Ramadan. It is not yet known [for] 2012." + # For now, assume both switch back on the last Friday in September. XXX + # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule EgyptAsia 1957 only - May 10 0:00 1:00 S Rule EgyptAsia 1957 1958 - Oct 1 0:00 0 - *************** *** 2279,2284 **** --- 2303,2310 ---- 2:00 Jordan EE%sT 1999 2:00 Palestine EE%sT 2011 Apr 2 12:01 2:00 1:00 EEST 2011 Aug 1 + 2:00 - EET 2012 Mar 30 + 2:00 1:00 EEST 2012 Sep 28 2:00 - EET Zone Asia/Hebron 2:20:23 - LMT 1900 Oct *************** *** 2292,2297 **** --- 2318,2325 ---- 2:00 1:00 EEST 2011 Aug 1 2:00 - EET 2011 Aug 30 2:00 1:00 EEST 2011 Sep 30 3:00 + 2:00 - EET 2012 Mar 30 + 2:00 1:00 EEST 2012 Sep 28 3:00 2:00 - EET # Paracel Is *************** *** 2583,2592 **** # http://sns.sy/sns/?path=news/read/11421 (Arabic) # </a> Rule Syria 2008 only - Apr Fri>=1 0:00 1:00 S Rule Syria 2008 only - Nov 1 0:00 0 - Rule Syria 2009 only - Mar lastFri 0:00 1:00 S ! Rule Syria 2010 max - Apr Fri>=1 0:00 1:00 S Rule Syria 2009 max - Oct lastFri 0:00 0 - # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] --- 2611,2638 ---- # http://sns.sy/sns/?path=news/read/11421 (Arabic) # </a> + # From Steffen Thorsen (2012-03-26): + # Today, Syria's government announced that they will start DST early on Friday + # (00:00). This is a bit earlier than the past two years. + # + # From Syrian Arab News Agency, in Arabic: + # <a href="http://www.sana.sy/ara/2/2012/03/26/408215.htm"> + # http://www.sana.sy/ara/2/2012/03/26/408215.htm + # </a> + # + # Our brief summary: + # <a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/syria-dst-2012.html"> + # http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/syria-dst-2012.html + # </a> + + # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-27): + # Assume last Friday in March going forward XXX. + Rule Syria 2008 only - Apr Fri>=1 0:00 1:00 S Rule Syria 2008 only - Nov 1 0:00 0 - Rule Syria 2009 only - Mar lastFri 0:00 1:00 S ! Rule Syria 2010 2011 - Apr Fri>=1 0:00 1:00 S ! Rule Syria 2012 max - Mar lastFri 0:00 1:00 S Rule Syria 2009 max - Oct lastFri 0:00 0 - # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] diff -r -c old/northamerica new/northamerica *** old/northamerica 2012-03-27 11:38:41.449731900 -0400 --- new/northamerica 2012-03-27 11:39:34.957825900 -0400 *************** *** 1,5 **** # <pre> ! # @(#)northamerica 8.53 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. --- 1,5 ---- # <pre> ! # @(#)northamerica 8.54 # This file is in the public domain, so clarified as of # 2009-05-17 by Arthur David Olson. *************** *** 2970,2975 **** --- 2970,2998 ---- # From Stephen Colebourne (2007-02-22): # Some IATA info: Haiti won't be having DST in 2007. + # From Steffen Thorsen (2012-03-11): + # According to several news sources, Haiti will observe DST this year, + # apparently using the same start and end date as USA/Canada. + # So this means they have already changed their time. + # + # (Sources in French): + # <a href="http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article12510"> + # http://www.alterpresse.org/spip.php?article12510 + # </a> + # <a href="http://radiovision2000haiti.net/home/?p=13253"> + # http://radiovision2000haiti.net/home/?p=13253 + # </a> + # + # Our coverage: + # <a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/haiti-dst-2012.html"> + # http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/haiti-dst-2012.html + # </a> + + # From Arthur David Olson (2012-03-11): + # The alterpresse.org source seems to show a US-style leap from 2:00 a.m. to + # 3:00 a.m. rather than the traditional Haitian jump at midnight. + # Assume a US-style fall back as well XXX. + # Do not yet assume that the change carries forward past 2012 XXX. # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S Rule Haiti 1983 only - May 8 0:00 1:00 D *************** *** 2981,2986 **** --- 3004,3011 ---- Rule Haiti 1988 1997 - Oct lastSun 1:00s 0 S Rule Haiti 2005 2006 - Apr Sun>=1 0:00 1:00 D Rule Haiti 2005 2006 - Oct lastSun 0:00 0 S + Rule Haiti 2012 only - Mar Sun>=8 2:00 1:00 D + Rule Haiti 2012 only - Nov Sun>=1 2:00 0 S # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES FORMAT [UNTIL] Zone America/Port-au-Prince -4:49:20 - LMT 1890 -4:49 - PPMT 1917 Jan 24 12:00 # P-a-P MT

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