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by Marvel, Jim (CPCOE) April 19, 2013

April 19, 2013

Hi, I posted before about Asia/Khandyga and Asia/Ust-Nera, wondering if they will show up in the efele tz_database with their own Tzid Can't find them as of October 8th file. Please let me know which polygons to be assigned to each of these Tzid. Thanks Jim Marvel Software Engineer II Honeywell ESEA/CMS/CP/CoE 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota FL 34243 Phone - 941.360.6209 (alt: 941.360.6213) Fax - 941.355.9241 Jim.Marvel(a)Honeywell.com<mailto:nancy.ramm@honeywell.com>

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Re: [tz] EST/EDT vs AEST/AEDT in AQ [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
by Timothy Arceri April 18, 2013

April 18, 2013

>From: tobias.conradi(a)gmail.com [mailto:tobias.conradi@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tobias Conradi > >>> This is a vote to use AEST/AEDT, or switch completely to Internationalized time point unique abbreviations. >> >> I have been very clear since my very first email that may main concern is with the daylight savings abbreviations. >>Again switching completely to Internationalized time point unique abbreviations is outside the scope of the tz database. >Again? Where did you say it is outside the scope of the tz database before? >Where is the scope defined to have EDT? Going for "out of scope" >without citing policy looks like trying to conceal that fact that it is only outside your scope. For the scope of changes that can be made to the tz database please read: http://www.iana.org/go/rfc6557 No one is trying to conceal anything I'm simply following the procedures outlined in that document. > You seem to not care about anything outside Australia and deteriorating the database by introducing new meanings of D is not problem for you. I can accuse you of trying to introduce a new meaning to Australians. Please show me where it says that we must use the abbreviations used elsewhere in the database. Your own table shows that the abbreviations letters can mean different things. AGAIN you are trying to enforce unique and standardised abbreviations, as I have said this would be great if the world as a whole decided to use such standards but there is no such thing currently, if I'm wrong please enlighten me. Again: "Changes to existing entries SHALL reflect the consensus on the ground in the region covered by that entry." >> We are simply trying to get the daylight savings abbreviations changed >> to what is *actually* used in Australia. >Macquarie Island in the IANA time zone database is AQ and not Australia. Macquarie island is part of Australia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macquarie_Island Timothy Arceri

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Request to apply patch for Russian Siberia and create Asia/Tomsk Asia/Barnaul
by Tobias Conradi April 18, 2013

April 18, 2013

Patch was mailed 2012-05-05 http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-May/017696.html -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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[PATCH0/1] Propose new zone for Crozet Islands
by Antoine Leca April 18, 2013

April 18, 2013

Hi Paul, I also have a patch submitted some time ago which seems to have been forgotten. I reworked it to match git workflow. For easier work, I have also put it as a new branch on my github repository: https://github.com/antoineL/tz/commits/crozet About the content from the former discussion <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2012-May/017804.html> that I scrapped from the commit message, there were a reference to an official reference (in French) that can be read at the bottom of page 30 of <http://www.taaf.fr/IMG/pdf/guidehivernant2011.pdf< (taaf.fr is the official site of the territory), which spells the rules using the old GMT+4 moniker, and as a reference to the Europe/Paris rules. Since that URL is likely to change (!) you might want to refer to http://www.taaf.fr instead; or just drop it completely, which was my option. Antoine

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Re: [tz] EST/EDT vs AEST/AEDT in AQ [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
by Tobias Conradi April 18, 2013

April 18, 2013

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman(a)csail.mit.edu> wrote: > <<On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:22:47 +0200, Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> said: > >>> It is entirely unimportant to "avoid ambiguity". >> How did you come to this conclusion? > > By watching you make an ass of yourself. How is that relevant for the IANA time zone database? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Abreviation(s) for Daylight Saving Time in Australia [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
by Peter Stagg April 18, 2013

April 18, 2013

I have one simple question that I'm hoping to get a straight forward answer to. Has enough been done by Timothy, Myself and other contributors to convince the coordinators that the current situation where Daylight Saving Time (for Australian time zones) is abbreviated as ST = Summer Time is in error and should be changed? Regards, Peter Stagg | Web Developer, Radar Systems Bureau of Meteorology Australian Meteorological Data Information Services System (AMDISS) Bureau of Meteorology GPO Box 1289 Melbourne VIC 3001 Level 6, 700 Collins Street, Docklands VIC 3008 Tel: +61 3 9669 4232 | Fax: +61 3 9669 4128 www.bom.gov.au

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Re: [tz] EST/EDT vs AEST/AEDT in AQ [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
by Tobias Conradi April 17, 2013

April 17, 2013

On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Garrett Wollman <wollman(a)csail.mit.edu> wrote: > <<On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:38:42 +0200, Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> said: > > >> And one of them is important to avoid ambiguity (D means 1:00) and the >> other (1:00 has to be D) is not. > > It is entirely unimportant to "avoid ambiguity". How did you come to this conclusion? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Complete list of IANA time zone abbreviations
by Tobias Conradi April 16, 2013

April 16, 2013

Is a complete list of IANA time zone abbreviations available in the WWW? I found: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_time_zone_abbreviations * http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/ * http://www.timegenie.com/timezones.php All list ACDT which, as of today, is not an IANA abbreviation, so these listings are not what I am looking for. -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Suggesting an ISO standard for time zone identification - possible replacement of IANA abbreviations
by Tobias Conradi April 16, 2013

April 16, 2013

Dear Mr. Carpenter, this email is send to you, because you are listed as the secretary for the "TC 46/SC 9 Identification and description". Maybe you can forward it to the relevant office or tell me where else I can email to. I suggest that the ISO creates an ISO standard for time zone identification. Current abbreviations in the IANA time zone database are ambiguous, e.g. IST may refer to Israel Standard Time or India Standard Time. The standard could be used in the IANA time zone database and projects that collect time zone related data, e.g. laws and translations of names. Since time zone law is country related one could look whether ISO 3166 can be used. The IANA time zone database has the stated aim of being correct for all regions in the world after the year 1970. Although the earliest ISO 3166 country code standard on the ISO website is ISO 3166:1981, web search for ISO 3166 1974 gives several hits claiming the first publication was in 1974. If there have been countries between 1970 and 1974 that have no ISO 3166 code one can use codes from the user-assigned code space. So the first two letters might be ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 country code based. But I suggest checking whether the alpha-3 codes or numeric codes are a better fit. Further letters may then mark regions inside a country and special restricted time shifts, e.g. daylight saving time. Such a structured set could look like: AUEDT - Australia Eastern Daylight saving Time AUCDT - United States Central Daylight saving Time AUWDT - Australia Western Daylight saving Time EUEDT - EU Eastern Daylight saving Time EUCDT - EU Central Daylight saving Time EUWDT - EU Western Daylight saving Time IDEST - Indonesia Eastern Standard Time IDCST - Indonesia Central Standard Time IDWST - Indonesia Western Standard Time USEDT - United States Eastern Daylight saving Time USCDT - United States Central Daylight saving Time USPDT - United States Pacific Daylight saving Time Kind regards Tobias Conradi -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Palestine DST starts on 2013-03-29
by Steffen Thorsen April 15, 2013

April 15, 2013

The following news sources tells that Palestine will " start daylight saving time from midnight on Friday, March 29, 2013" (translated). http://www.samanews.com/index.php?act=Show&id=154120 (Gaza) http://safa.ps/details/news/99844/%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%… (Ramallah, West Bank) No end date given, but we assume it will end the last Sunday of September. Our background info: http://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/palestine-starts-dst-2013.html Best regards, Steffen Thorsen - timeanddate.com

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