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Local time hiccup in Brazil
by ado Feb. 2, 1993

Feb. 2, 1993

The attached from comp.protocols.time.ntp. --ado > From emv(a)msen.com Mon Feb 1 19:05:20 1993 > Path: nih-csl!darwin.sura.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!yale.edu!nigel.msen.com!emv > From: emv(a)msen.com (Edward Vielmetti) > Newsgroups: comp.protocols.time.ntp > Subject: [brazil-time] rio de janeiro asks 'what time is it ?' > Message-ID: <1kkdseINNn87(a)nigel.msen.com> > Date: 2 Feb 93 00:05:20 GMT > Distribution: inet > Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, Michigan > Lines: 50 > NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com > X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] > > Clock watchers take note... > > [ Article crossposted from msen.reuters.international ] > [ Posted on 1 Feb 1993 13:50:34 -0500 ] > > AM-BRAZIL-TIME > RIO DE JANEIRO ASKS 'WHAT TIME IS IT ?' > > RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil, Reuter - Residents of Rio de Janeiro > woke up Monday wondering what time it is. > The confusing clock situation arose when Rio Mayor Cesar > Maia defied a Brazilian government regulation to end summer's > daylight savings time Sunday and turn the clocks back an hour. > But Maia, saying Rio's tourism industry needs the extra hour > of daylight that daylight savings time provides, said the city > government and everyone and everything associated with it would > stick with the summertime time schedule until Feb. 28. > ``I am not going to turn my clock back, nor will the clocks > controlled by the city be turned back,'' Maia was quoted as > saying in the Jornal do Brasil newspaper Sunday. > Rio's banks, most businesses, airports, bus stations and the > stock market are abiding by the federal government's time. > Maia said Rio de Janeiro's tourism industry would be hurt by > moving the clocks back in the middle of the Southern > Hemisphere's summer. > ``The mayor said the jobs of 30,000 people depend on this > extra hour of sunlight, when residents and tourists stay on the > streets and beaches spending money and having fun,'' the > spokesman said. > Maia's decree, which does not apply to the city's suburbs, > has left most residents wondering whether they should begin > wearing two watches. > A spokeswoman for the business owners association said Rio > stores and shopping centers were using standard time on Monday, > but it was still not clear what they would do on Tuesday. > ``The official schedule in Rio is the national standard > time. The decree does not impose the summer schedule, but rather > suggests that businesses, services and industry operate on > summer's time,'' said the mayor's spokesman, adding that Rio's > public clocks will be reset to national standard time. > Maia was to meet President Itamar Franco later Monday to > discuss the time situation, among other things. > At least for the meeting, the mayor will have to think > standard time. The meeting is scheduled for 3:30 p.m. federal > government time, the spokesman said. > REUTER > > Edward Vielmetti, vice president for research, Msen Inc. emv(a)Msen.com > Msen Inc., 628 Brooks, Ann Arbor MI 48103 +1 313 998 4562 (fax: 998 4563)

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tzcode93.tar.Z and tzdata93.tar.Z
by ado Jan. 8, 1993

Jan. 8, 1993

A new version of the time zone stuff is available for anonymous ftp from elsie.nci.nih.gov (128.231.16.1), in the ~ftp/pub directory: -r--r--r-- 1 ado 91953 Jan 8 07:01 tzcode93.tar.Z -r--r--r-- 1 ado 44313 Jan 8 07:01 tzdata93.tar.Z At kre's suggestion, the package has been split in two--a code piece (which also includes documentation) that's only of use to folks who want to recompile things and a data piece useful to anyone who can run "zic". The new version has a few changes to the data files, a few portability changes, and an off-by-one fix (with thanks to Tom-Karzes(a)deshaw.com for providing a description and a solution). --ado

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elsie.nci.nih.gov:~ftp/pub/tz92c.tar.Z
by ado Nov. 21, 1992

Nov. 21, 1992

The fallout from the latest round of DST transitions is available as elsie.nci.nih.gov:~ftp/pub/tz92c.tar.Z There are changes for Portugal, Saskatchewan, and "Pacific-New"; there's also a change to "zic.c" that makes it portable to more systems. Any ideas for how to handle things are welcome; they are best mailed to tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov so that they can get wide consideration. --ado

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Re:East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan [forwarded with permission]
by ado Nov. 6, 1992

Nov. 6, 1992

> Date: 06 Nov 1992 16:13:04 -0600 (CST) > From: jones(a)skdad.usask.ca (W. Jones) > Subject: Re: East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan > To: ado(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov > Cc: eggert(a)twinsun.com, hardie(a)herald.usask.ca, henry(a)zoo.utoronto.ca, > peachey(a)pixar.com, tastad(a)sklib.usask.ca > ... > > Earlier I wrote: > >The most likely answer is that no-DST was adopted province-wide on some date > >(say in the late 1960s), and before that was subject to community variations. > >One thing I might ask is what precision you consider important for describing > >earlier practice. (Whatever the date, there were certainly no Unix systems > >running in affected areas.) > > The approximate answer below is based on information I got from our law > library, the provincial archives, and the provincial Community Services > department. A precise history would require digging through newspaper > archives, and since you didn't say what you wanted, I didn't bother. > > Saskatchewan is split by a time zone meridian (105W) and over the years > the boundary became pretty ragged as communities near it reevaluated > their affiliations in one direction or the other. In 1965 a provincial > referendum favoured legislating common time practices. > > On 15 April 1966 the Time Act (c. T-14, Revised Statutes of Saskatchewan > 1978) was proclaimed, and established that the eastern part of > Saskatchewan would use CST year round, that districts in northwest > Saskatchewan would by default follow CST but could opt to follow Mountain > Time rules (thus 1 hour difference in the winter and zero in the summer), > and that districts in southwest Saskatchewan would by default follow > MT but could opt to follow CST. > > It took a few years for the dust to settle (I know one story of a town > on one time zone having its school in another, such that a mom had to > serve her family lunch in two shifts), but presently it seems that only > a few towns on the border with Alberta (e.g. Lloydminster) follow MT > rules any more; all other districts appear to have used CST year round > since sometime in the 1960s. > > Here's how I would summarize things. Establish a "Saskatchewan" CST time > zone, and note that it officially exists as of 15 April 1966. Any current > exceptions can put themselves in the "Mountain" zone, since those are the > rules they follow. Any past exceptions can be forgotten, since that's > what those who live here have done.

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East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan [forwarded with permission]
by ado Oct. 28, 1992

Oct. 28, 1992

> From: henry(a)zoo.toronto.edu > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 92 11:58:53 EST > Subject: Re: East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan > To: ado(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov, eggert(a)twinsun.com > Cc: jones(a)skorpio.usask.ca (W. Jones), peachey(a)pixar.com > > >... Anyway, I agree with Darwyn that the situation since around the > >Unix epoch is CST year round for the whole province, not just some flakes > >in the eastern corner. > > Actually, I think the province *is* split, but it's not an eastern corner > vs. everybody else. I grew up in Saskatoon, which is roughly central (and > one of the two major cities), and as a kid (1960s) I never knew DST *existed*. > (DST still strikes me as strange and stupid, actually.) Saskatoon, and at > least the immediate vicinity, has been on CST year round for a long time. > > On the other hand, other areas of the province haven't been... I first > became aware of DST when visiting relatives in Fort Qu'Appelle, a small > town south and east of Saskatoon. That was mid-late 1960s. I haven't been > back there for a long time and don't know the current situation. > > Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology > henry(a)zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry

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East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan [forwarded with permission]
by ado Oct. 28, 1992

Oct. 28, 1992

> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 15:40:24 PST > From: eggert(a)twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) > Message-Id: <9210272340.AA13750(a)farside.twinsun.com> > To: ado(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov > ... > Subject: East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan > ... > W. Jones works in Saskatoon, which (according to my dictionary) is in Central > Saskatchewan. Assuming he's correct about the clocks in his immediate > neighborhood, at least the `East-' in `East-Saskatchewan' must be wrong. > Of your sources, Bur and Peachey (another Saskatchewan resident) agree with > Jones, whereas Devine disagrees. Given the current evidence, I'd tend to go > with Bur, Jones, and Peachey -- after all, two of them live there.

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Historical material on Saskatchewan
by ado Oct. 28, 1992

Oct. 28, 1992

I've attached some historical material on the original of East-Sask. --ado > From seismo!mit-eddie!spock.ee.mcgill!mannix.decnet!burj Fri Mar 6 08:58:05 1987 > Received: by elsie.UUCP (5.51/4.7) > id AA13319; Fri, 6 Mar 87 08:57:48 EST > Received: by seismo.CSS.GOV (5.54/1.14) > id AA12469; Fri, 6 Mar 87 05:13:00 EST > Received: by harvard.harvard.edu; Fri, 6 Mar 87 05:13:14 EST > Received: by EDDIE.MIT.EDU (5.31/4.7) id AA25906; Fri, 6 Mar 87 05:12:12 EST > Received: from spock by musocs.cs.mcgill id aa00376; 6 Mar 87 4:40 EST > Received: from Mannix.UdeM (mannix.ARPA) by spock.EE.MCGILL (4.12) > id AA00684; Fri, 6 Mar 87 04:50:05 est > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 87 03:37:17 est > From: Justin Bur <seismo!harvard!spock.ee.mcgill!mannix.decnet!burj> > Message-Id: <8703050837.AA00977(a)Mannix.UdeM> > Poslfit: poslfit > To: musocs!tz%elsie.uucp > Subject: DST in Saskatchewan, Canada > > The province of Saskatchewan, normally in the Central time zone, > has not used daylight savings time for the past several years. > I think there was some talk of using it for the first time this > year, but I don't remember. I also don't know if DST has never > been used in Sask. or if it used to be used some time ago: my > source is the national radio schedules of the Canadian Broadcasting > Corporation, and my subscription started in 198?. I will send more > precise information if I can find it, but it would probably be best > to find a local source of information. I *think* sask.uucp is the > University of Saskatchewan; I don't have a uucp map handy. > > Justin Bur -- Universite de Montreal > <burj(a)iros1.uucp> seismo!think!mosart!mcgill-vision!iros1!burj > > From seismo!ihnp4!sask!skorpio.UUCP!peachey Mon Mar 16 21:59:53 1987 > Received: by elsie.UUCP (5.51/4.7) > id AA00162; Mon, 16 Mar 87 21:59:38 EST > Received: from cbosgd.UUCP by seismo.CSS.GOV (5.54/1.14) with UUCP > id AA13632; Mon, 16 Mar 87 17:31:56 EST > Received: by cbosgd.MIS.OH.ATT.COM (smail2.2) > id AA07856; 16 Mar 87 17:31:04 EST (Mon) > Received: by ihnp4.ATT.COM id AA03508; 16 Mar 87 15:10:26 CST (Mon) > Received: by sask.USask.UUCP (4.12/USask-2.01/9-Feb-87) > id AA24861; Mon, 16 Mar 87 15:03:37 cst > Received: by skorpio.USask.UUCP (4.12/USask-2.0/17-Dec-86) > id AA02480; Mon, 16 Mar 87 14:54:46 cst > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 87 14:54:46 cst > From: seismo!ihnp4!skorpio!peachey (Darwyn Peachey) > Message-Id: <8703162054.AA02480(a)skorpio.USask.UUCP> > To: elsie!tz > Subject: northamerica timezones & Saskatchewan > Cc: peachey > > > If I am reading your "northamerica" (version 3.1) timezone file correctly, > it appears to be inaccurate concerning the province of Saskatchewan in > Canada. You seem to assume that all of Canada observes the DST rules. > In fact, Saskatchewan is always on standard time and has been for several > years (up to 20, I'd guess). To be more precise, we are always on daylight > time, since we are geographically in the Mountain zone, but we use Central > Standard Time year round! Thus, there is always a four hour time difference > between us and Hawaii (whereas the temperature difference varies from > -130F to +20F). > > Darwyn Peachey peachey(a)sask.UUCP peacheyd(a)sask.BITNET (306) 966-4909 > > From seismo!nbires!vianet!devine Tue Mar 17 14:33:32 1987 > Received: by elsie.UUCP (5.51/4.7) > id AA03816; Tue, 17 Mar 87 14:33:18 EST > From: seismo!nbires!vianet!devine > Received: from nbires.UUCP by seismo.CSS.GOV (5.54/1.14) with UUCP > id AA14658; Tue, 17 Mar 87 12:36:49 EST > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 87 12:36:49 EST > Message-Id: <8703171736.AA14658(a)seismo.CSS.GOV> > To: elsie!tz > Subject: Re: northamerica timezones & Saskatchewan > Cc: devine > > Darwyn Peachey peachey(a)sask.UUCP writes: > > If I am reading your "northamerica" (version 3.1) timezone file correctly, > > it appears to be inaccurate concerning the province of Saskatchewan in > > Canada. You seem to assume that all of Canada observes the DST rules. > > In fact, Saskatchewan is always on standard time and has been for several > > years (up to 20, I'd guess). To be more precise, we are always on daylight > > time, since we are geographically in the Mountain zone, but we use Central > > Standard Time year round! > > The information I have found on Saskatchewan Daylight Time is this: > > 1962-1971 Variable (each locality may have done something different) > but it seems to be last Sunday in April to last Sunday > in October (September in 1960-1) > > 1972-present? Observed in entire province except in the far-eastern > part (that part is on Central Standard time all year) > The western part is on the last Sunday in April to > last Sunday in October schedule > > I don't know where the machine 'skorpio' is but I infer that it is in > the Eastern part of Saskatchewan. Does anyone have access to an official > publication of Canada that describes DST? Does such a publication exist? > > Bob Devine

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East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan [forwarded with permission]
by ado Oct. 28, 1992

Oct. 28, 1992

> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 13:38:07 PST > From: eggert(a)twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) > Message-Id: <9210272138.AA13450(a)farside.twinsun.com> > To: ado(a)ncifcrf.gov > Subject: East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan [slightly revised patch] > > Here's a slightly revised patch for the East-Saskatchewan problem. The only > change to the previous patch is the last one -- the change to Mexico/General. > This version thus saves a bit of disk space, since Canada/Saskatchewan and > Mexico/General are identical. > > *** northamerica Thu Apr 23 10:34:33 1992 > --- northamerica.fix Tue Oct 27 13:32:04 1992 > *************** > *** 215,220 **** > --- 215,224 ---- > # be same as Pacific. Stick with rules posted in 1988 until more authoritative > # information is available. > > + # From W. Jones (October 27, 1992): > + # Since (I believe) around 1964, all of Saskatchewan is on CST year round, > + # by law [the U.S. Naval Observatory notwithstanding]. > + > # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S > Rule Canada 1969 max - Oct lastSun 2:00 0 S > Rule Canada 1969 1986 - Apr lastSun 2:00 1:00 D > *************** > *** 226,232 **** > Zone Canada/Atlantic -4:00 Canada A%sT > Zone Canada/Eastern -5:00 Canada E%sT > Zone Canada/Central -6:00 Canada C%sT > ! Zone Canada/East-Saskatchewan -6:00 - CST # No DST as of 1987 > Zone Canada/Mountain -7:00 Canada M%sT > Zone Canada/Pacific -8:00 Canada P%sT > Zone Canada/Yukon -9:00 Canada Y%sT > --- 230,236 ---- > Zone Canada/Atlantic -4:00 Canada A%sT > Zone Canada/Eastern -5:00 Canada E%sT > Zone Canada/Central -6:00 Canada C%sT > ! Zone Canada/Saskatchewan -6:00 - CST > Zone Canada/Mountain -7:00 Canada M%sT > Zone Canada/Pacific -8:00 Canada P%sT > Zone Canada/Yukon -9:00 Canada Y%sT > *************** > *** 290,296 **** > # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES/SAVE FORMAT [UNTIL] > Zone Mexico/BajaNorte -8:00 Mexico P%sT > Zone Mexico/BajaSur -7:00 - MST > ! Zone Mexico/General -6:00 - CST > > ############################################################################### > > --- 294,300 ---- > # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES/SAVE FORMAT [UNTIL] > Zone Mexico/BajaNorte -8:00 Mexico P%sT > Zone Mexico/BajaSur -7:00 - MST > ! Link Canada/Saskatchewan Mexico/General > > ###############################################################################

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please remove US/Pacific-New [forwarded with permission]
by ado Oct. 28, 1992

Oct. 28, 1992

[My inclination would be to comment out the last two lines of the "pacificnew" file rather than making the changes indicated below, perhaps also adding a comment as to why they've been commented out. What do other folks feel? --ado] > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 13:09:45 PST > From: eggert(a)twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) > Message-Id: <9210272109.AA11863(a)farside.twinsun.com> > To: ado(a)ncifcrf.gov > Subject: please remove US/Pacific-New > > The following patch removes US/Pacific-New, which causes more problems than it > cures (as I described in yesterday's message). Also, remove the file > `pacificnew'. > > *** Makefile Thu Jul 9 12:51:31 1992 > --- Makefile.fix Tue Oct 27 13:08:11 1992 > *************** > *** 189,195 **** > MANS= newctime.3 newtzset.3 tzfile.5 zic.8 zdump.8 > DOCS= Patchlevel.h README Theory $(MANS) date.1 Makefile > YDATA= africa antarctica asia australasia \ > ! europe northamerica southamerica pacificnew etcetera factory > NDATA= systemv > SDATA= solar87 solar88 solar89 > TDATA= $(YDATA) $(NDATA) $(SDATA) > --- 189,195 ---- > MANS= newctime.3 newtzset.3 tzfile.5 zic.8 zdump.8 > DOCS= Patchlevel.h README Theory $(MANS) date.1 Makefile > YDATA= africa antarctica asia australasia \ > ! europe northamerica southamerica etcetera factory > NDATA= systemv > SDATA= solar87 solar88 solar89 > TDATA= $(YDATA) $(NDATA) $(SDATA) >

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East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan [forwarded with permission]
by ado Oct. 28, 1992

Oct. 28, 1992

> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 13:04:32 PST > From: eggert(a)twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) > Message-Id: <9210272104.AA11841(a)farside.twinsun.com> > To: ado(a)ncifcrf.gov > Subject: East-Saskatchewan -> Saskatchewan > > W. Jones <jones(a)skdad.usask.ca> writes that all of Saskatchewan is on CST year > round. I'll enclose his comments at the end of this message. So I propose > the following patch to the tz package: > > *** northamerica Thu Apr 23 10:34:33 1992 > --- northamerica.fix Tue Oct 27 12:58:38 1992 > *************** > *** 215,220 **** > --- 215,224 ---- > # be same as Pacific. Stick with rules posted in 1988 until more authoritative > # information is available. > > + # From W. Jones (October 27, 1992): > + # Since (I believe) around 1964, all of Saskatchewan is on CST year round, > + # by law [the U.S. Naval Observatory notwithstanding]. > + > # Rule NAME FROM TO TYPE IN ON AT SAVE LETTER/S > Rule Canada 1969 max - Oct lastSun 2:00 0 S > Rule Canada 1969 1986 - Apr lastSun 2:00 1:00 D > *************** > *** 226,232 **** > Zone Canada/Atlantic -4:00 Canada A%sT > Zone Canada/Eastern -5:00 Canada E%sT > Zone Canada/Central -6:00 Canada C%sT > ! Zone Canada/East-Saskatchewan -6:00 - CST # No DST as of 1987 > Zone Canada/Mountain -7:00 Canada M%sT > Zone Canada/Pacific -8:00 Canada P%sT > Zone Canada/Yukon -9:00 Canada Y%sT > --- 230,236 ---- > Zone Canada/Atlantic -4:00 Canada A%sT > Zone Canada/Eastern -5:00 Canada E%sT > Zone Canada/Central -6:00 Canada C%sT > ! Zone Canada/Saskatchewan -6:00 - CST > Zone Canada/Mountain -7:00 Canada M%sT > Zone Canada/Pacific -8:00 Canada P%sT > Zone Canada/Yukon -9:00 Canada Y%sT > > > Here are Jones's comments: > > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 14:37:34 CST > From: jones(a)skdad.usask.ca (W. Jones) > To: eggert(a)twinsun.com > Cc: wright(a)sask.usask.ca > Organization: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada > > ... for this site, in order to follow local time correctly > requires choosing the ruleset named "East-Saskatchewan". Sounds > plausible, until you consider that the measure of places for which a > ruleset "Saskatchewan" or "West-Saskatchewan" applies is zero. > > How did this come about? Since (I believe) around 1964, all of > Saskatchewan is on CST year round, by law; but since that distinction > makes us rebels to North American convention, it tends to get left out of > discussions for simplicity. Thus when the timezone package appeared in > 1987, lo and behold we were lumped with the other Central places, as > implied in this table in the documentation: > > # From U. S. Naval Observatory (January 19, 1989): > # CANADA NEW FDL 3.5H BEHIND UTC ST.JOHN'S > # CANADA NEW FDL 1.5H BEHIND UTC APR 3 - OCT 29 > # CANADA ATLANTIC 4 H BEHIND UTC HALIFAX > # CANADA ATLANTIC 3 H BEHIND UTC APR 3 - OCT 29 > # CANADA EASTERN 5 H BEHIND UTC TORONTO, MONTREAL, OTTAWA > # CANADA EASTERN 4 H BEHIND UTC APR 3 - OCT 29 > # CANADA CENTRAL 6 H BEHIND UTC REGINA, WINNIPEG > # CANADA CENTRAL 5 H BEHIND UTC APR 3 - OCT 29 > # CANADA MOUNTAIN 7 H BEHIND UTC CALGARY, EDMONTON > # CANADA MOUNTAIN 6 H BEHIND UTC APR 3 - OCT 29 > # CANADA PACIFIC 8 H BEHIND UTC VANCOUVER > # CANADA PACIFIC 7 H BEHIND UTC APR 3 - OCT 29 > # CANADA YUKON SAME AS PACIFIC DAWSON > > I complained, and the eventual result was the adjustment below: > > # Zone NAME GMTOFF RULES/SAVE FORMAT [UNTIL] > # Bob Devine says that DST *is* observed in Newfoundland > Zone Canada/Newfoundland -3:30 Canada N%sT > Zone Canada/Atlantic -4:00 Canada A%sT > Zone Canada/Eastern -5:00 Canada E%sT > Zone Canada/Central -6:00 Canada C%sT > Zone Canada/East-Saskatchewan -6:00 - CST # No DST as of 1987 > Zone Canada/Mountain -7:00 Canada M%sT > Zone Canada/Pacific -8:00 Canada P%sT > > apparently the U.S. Naval Observatory was believed infallible, thus the > fellow from Saskatchewan must be following some kooky (and new) local > practice, thus we'll just throw him a sop....

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