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New Time Zone for Mexico- Quintana Roo state
by Alexander Krivenyshev May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

According to news, Mexico Senate approved creating a new time zone for Quintana Roo state (Cancun, Cozumel) (in Spanish) Nuevo Huso Horario para QR será una hora de diferencia y no dos, aclara Senadora (audio); datos equivocados generaron confusión: EQR http://www.expedientequintanaroo.com/2012/04/nuevo-huso-horario-para-qr-ser… una.html Senado aprueba nuevo huso horario para Quintana Roo http://noticias.terra.com.mx/mexico/estados/senado-aprueba-nuevo-huso-horar… para-quintana-roo,9f5c873e0d7e6310VgnVCM5000009ccceb0aRCRD.html (brief in English) http://www.worldtimezone.com/dst_news/dst_news_mexico10.html This measure passed by the Senate and now have to be passed by the Chamber of Deputies. Alexander Krivenyshev- WorldTimeZone.com http://www.worldtimezone.com

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Bugs in Russia - Seven month past since 2011-09-17 - still not fixed
by Tobias Conradi May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

Can these bugs please be fixed http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-September/008809.html http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-October/008937.html ? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/tobias_conradi

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Re: [tz] Bugs in Russia - Seven month past since 2011-09-17 - still not fixed
by Robert Elz May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

I received a copy of this message via private mail, not copied to the list - and replied (as below) - then I saw another copy of the message was sent to the list, so I am forwarding my reply to the list as well... Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:42:58 +0200 From: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> Message-ID: <CAAGevbUqw308pGi7bYYNeZrwwvwtinqqskvW0Jv8aTOcESzMnA@mai= l.gmail.com> | Suggested new zone: | Asia/Barnaul, split from Asia/Omsk But why? What's different about the zones, aside from their names? | Moves to Omsk Time That tells me nothing. | FIX: oblast should be Republic. Do you mean that we should change the word we use? Could you explain why (and it would be better on the list than in private mail to m= e). | > that isn't "making up new rules on the fly" | If not on the fly, it should be specified in the Theory file, so that= | contributors are warned that their fixes may not be added for 7+ | months if they don't affect current time stamps. No, that's not why the changes you want didn't get made - it is because no-one understands what was supposed to be changed, or why. It might be obvious to you, it isn't to anyone else. | I think you are misinformed here. E.g. for | "Zone Asia/Omsk" it says in tzdata2012c\europe | #... [This region consists of] | # Respublika Altaj, Altajskij kraj, Omskaya oblast'. Sure, we attempt to indicate what region the zone applies in, and we will fix bugs in that if we understand what the bug is, but the purpose of the project isn't to make those mappings, that's one of the frills - we collect that data more so we know that we have all of the needed zones, not so the region data can be used for anything very useful. If that's allowed you to find a missing zone, that's great, but we can't just make a new zone with no data in it, we need to know what to put there, and it needs to be different from the existing zones, we avoid making duplicates (within a country). kre

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Re: [tz] Bugs in Russia - Seven month past since 2011-09-17 - still not fixed
by Tobias Conradi May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

> "Suggested new zone: > Asia/Barnaul, split from Asia/Omsk" > >>or why. > "Moves to Omsk Time" > > > I think I see the problem. "Split from Asia/Omsk" implies that the area > involved was already on Omsk time. If it moved to Omsk time, then it was > in some other zone previously, and is split from that zone. Andy, thanks for this. Actually both /could/ be true. The two Altais (proposed "Asia/Barnaul") could have observed the time of Asia/Omsk in the past (Omsk Time), then for some years they didn't, because Omsk changed it's offset from Moscow. So the split from Omsk occurred in reality too. Later they join Omsk Time (Omsk Time Zone), i.e. observe the time of Asia/Omsk tz zone, but they stay in Asia/Barnaul tz zone. But at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Time I see no indication that the Altais did observe Omsk Time in the past. It looks as if it was Novosibirsk Time, i.e. when Novosibirsk changed to Omsk Time, Novosibirsk and the Altais split. So the real split occurred from Asia/Novosibirsk. -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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Morroco changes
by Sebastien WILLEMIJNS May 1, 2012

May 1, 2012

http://www.lavieeco.com/news/actualites/gmt-1-officialise-pour-de-bon-21957… http://french.cri.cn/621/2012/04/29/442s279539.htm dunno if TZ change has been done recently or it is for next year...

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tzdata2012c contains tz@elsie.nci.nih.gov, change to tz@iana.org?
by Tobias Conradi May 1, 2012

May 1, 2012

# This data is by no means authoritative; if you think you know better, # go ahead and edit the file (and please send any changes to # tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov for general use in the future). Maybe change tz(a)elsie.nci.nih.gov to tz(a)iana.org ? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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Re: [tz] Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011
by Tobias Conradi April 30, 2012

April 30, 2012

Thanks for explaining how you see things. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:00 AM, Marc Lehmann <schmorp(a)schmorp.de> wrote: > On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:28:20PM +0200, Tobias Conradi <tobias.conradi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> 3) You are not the position to decide what is needed and what not. >> 4) I know Ado does this voluntary as anyone else that did contribute >> facts. Maybe you too. > > Did you just post a private mail to a public mailinglist? If yes, that's > really rude. > > In any case, he was right, your comment and tone were (are) completely > uncalled for. There is also a big difference between what you did and > what ado did, so pulling him down on your level of contribution is very > arrogant of you. > > Last not least, dealing this out, and then being superpicky because > somebody called you "mate" (which is nothing special) is rather childish - > maybe this can be attributed to a lack of understanding of the english > language? > > If that's the case, you should listen when people react "weirdly": English > is full of subtleties - it's often a hint that you sounded more arrogant > than you actually intended to. > > Just a well-meant hint. > > -- > The choice of a > -----==- _GNU_ > ----==-- _ generation > ---==---(_)__ __ ____ __ Marc Lehmann > --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / schmorp(a)schmorp.de > -=====/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/tobias_conradi

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New zone for DE, split from Europe/Berlin
by Mr tobias conradi April 30, 2012

April 30, 2012

The German exclave of Büsingen (http://www.buesingen.de/) surrounded by the Swiss canton Schaffhausen, did not start observing DST in 1980 as the rest of DE (West Germany at that time) and DD (East Germany at that time) did. DD merged into DE, the area is currently covered by code DE in ISO 3166-1, which in turn is covered by the zone Europe/Berlin. Source for the time in Büsingen 1980: http://www.videoportal.sf.tv/video?id=c012c029-03b7-4c2b-9164-aa5902cd58d3 Suggested zone name: Europe/Busingen (removing diacritics as does UN/LOCODE) OR Europe/Buesingen (resolving as in German language) -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin, Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Re: [tz] Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011
by Tobias Conradi April 30, 2012

April 30, 2012

1) I am not your mate. 2) The question was not rhetorical. 3) You are not the position to decide what is needed and what not. 4) I know Ado does this voluntary as anyone else that did contribute facts. Maybe you too. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Paw Boel Nielsen <pawboelnielsen(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey mate, > > About your latest mail to the tz-mail-list: > >>> Does >>> anyone know whether folks in Russia now think of themselves as being >>> on "permanent daylight saving time" or think of themselves as having >>> new, different standard times? >>"folks" sounds quite unspecific. Do you mean people living in areas that >> "did not turn its clocks back in the fall" as claimed in the first sentence? > > I am assuming you comment about "folks" is rhetorical in which case kindly > refrain from posting that kind of comments in the future, it doesn't add > anything positive to the forum. > Ado does his work voluntarily, and your comment is unneeded. > > Kind regards, > Paw > > > -----Original > Message----- > From: tz-bounces(a)iana.org [mailto:tz-bounces@iana.org] On Behalf Of Tobias > Conradi > Sent: 29 April 2012 20:24 > To: tz(a)iana.org > Subject: [tz] Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011 > > On Sun, Apr 29, > 2012 at 4:50 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson...> wrote: > >> 1. Some > areas of Russia reportedly changed time zones in 2011. Does >> anyone know > the exact instants at which these changes were made (both >> date and > time for each affected region, since the instant at which the >> change was > made may vary from region to region)? > Could you name > what areas you refer to, so people can search more precisely for what you > want > to know? > > Which reports do > you refer to? > > In 2011 there > were talks on the mailing list about issues with Yakutia and with Sakhalin. > > I myself did > suggest new zones that may be needed, given the old information in the tzdb > was > correct: > http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-September/008799.html > >> 2. In 2010 > much of Russia did not turn its clocks back in the fall. > Can you cite a > reference for that claim? > >> Does >> anyone know > whether folks in Russia now think of themselves as being >> on > "permanent daylight saving time" or think of themselves as having >> new, > different standard times? > "folks" > sounds quite unspecific. Do you mean people living in areas that "did not > turn its clocks back in the fall" as claimed in the first sentence? > > -- > Tobias Conradi > Rheinsberger > Str. 18 > 10115 Berlin > Germany > > http://tobiasconradi.com > -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com/

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Russia questions regarding 2010 and 2011
by Tobias Conradi April 29, 2012

April 29, 2012

On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Arthur David Olson <arthurdavidolson...> wrote: > 1. Some areas of Russia reportedly changed time zones in 2011. Does anyone > know the exact instants at which these changes were made (both date and time > for each affected region, since the instant at which the change was made may > vary from region to region)? Could you name what areas you refer to, so people can search more precisely for what you want to know? Which reports do you refer to? In 2011 there were talks on the mailing list about issues with Yakutia and with Sakhalin. I myself did suggest new zones that may be needed, given the old information in the tzdb was correct: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2011-September/008799.html > 2. In 2010 much of Russia did not turn its clocks back in the fall. Can you cite a reference for that claim? > Does > anyone know whether folks in Russia now think of themselves as being on > "permanent daylight saving time" or think of themselves as having new, > different standard times? "folks" sounds quite unspecific. Do you mean people living in areas that "did not turn its clocks back in the fall" as claimed in the first sentence? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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