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by David Patte ₯ May 7, 2013

May 7, 2013

I will suggest, as I did a month ago for Australia, that we prepare an alternate patch for the tz database - this time for Israel. We can prepare it offline, to cut down on the noise here, and submit it for approval to the maintainers of the tz database, for their perusal. In the mean time, I am willing to host the preparation and patch on my own site and ftp server. The goal in the patch will be to try to follow the decisions re Jerusalem mandated by the UN security council, the UN general assembly, and accepted by all countries in the world (save Israel), which is to consider Israel's unilateral declaration of Jerusalem as its own as 'null and void', and fully remove Jerusalem as being listed within Israel. Those that consider this decision valuable could then apply it to the tz database themselves. Please contact me offline if you would like more information on how to contribute to this patch, or how to access the result.

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Re: [tz] Proposal to use Asia/Tel_Aviv for Israel - Jerusalem is not internationally recognized as part of Israel
by SM May 7, 2013

May 7, 2013

Hi Malcolm, At 09:55 07-05-2013, Wallace, Malcolm wrote: >One technical point worth considering is that a goodly proportion of >the clocks in Jerusalem do not show the time that the tz database >would claim they do. Given rough current estimates that the Arab >population of (East) Jerusalem is upwards of 35%, and the likelihood >that many of their clocks follow the Palestinian rules for DST >rather than the Israeli rules, it seems awkward and inaccurate to >use the name of the city for one set of rules but not the other. Thanks for the link. It's difficult to pick a source from that part of the world without bias. It's an unusual case. It's easier to leave it as it is until someone figures out how people at that location keep track of time. Regards, -sm

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Tobias Conradi blocked for six months
by Paul Eggert May 5, 2013

May 5, 2013

Recent emails to the tz mailing list by Tobias Conradi are an inappropriate and disruptive use of the list. I privately warned him about this earlier, to no avail. I will therefore block him posting for a period of six months.

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suprfsat@hotmail.com - Fwd:
by Tobias Conradi May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

And this was the first. I assume they are all from Paul Eggert. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: supr fsat <suprfsat(a)hotmail.com> Date: Sat, May 26, 2012 at 8:33 PM Subject: To: tobias.conradi(a)gmail.com shut the fuck up -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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suprfsat@hotmail.com - Fwd: you fucking psychopath
by Tobias Conradi May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

Is this email coming from Paul Eggert? Last time I got such an email around the time my emails got censored by the tz mailing list administrators. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: supr fsat <suprfsat(a)hotmail.com> Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 at 9:13 PM Subject: you fucking psychopath To: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> don't you have a life? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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History of zone name changes
by Tobias Conradi May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

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suprfsat@hotmail.com Fwd: ACTIONS
by Tobias Conradi May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

That was the last email by suprfsat(a)hotmail.com before the one I received today. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: supr fsat <suprfsat(a)hotmail.com> Date: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 2:44 PM Subject: ACTIONS To: tobias.conradi(a)gmail.com CONSEQUENCES -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Position of Arthur David Olson and Paul Eggert regarding the status of Jerusalem
by Tobias Conradi May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

1) https://github.com/eggert/tz/commit/65a7988fe8b4007023ef2130064421eacd263e4c says "Arthur David Olson authored 17 years ago" "+IL +3146+03514 Asia/Jerusalem most locations" Was Arthur David Olson the one who first declared Jerusalem to be Israel territory? Maybe the one who put that in, could state the reasons for doing so and provide a patch if he thinks this should be changed now. 2) The current IANA time zone database maintainer is Paul Eggert. There is no reply to the proposal to change the zone identifying location for the Israel zone from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv. http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2013-April/019134.html "Proposal to use Asia/Tel_Aviv for Israel - Jerusalem is not internationally recognized as part of Israel" Does Paul Eggert endorse the decision to have Jerusalem (in fact even parts or all of East Jerusalem) declared Israel territory in the IANA time zone database? If so, what is the reason? Support of occupation, annexation and population exchange? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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East Jerusalem as Israel territory in IANA zone.tab, demographics since occupation by Israel
by Tobias Conradi May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/data/zone.tab has IL +3146+03514 Asia/Jerusalem http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2B31deg+46N+%2B035+deg+14E computes 31.7667°N, 35.2333°E https://maps.google.com/maps?q=31.7667,35.2333 shows a dashed line labeled "1949 Armistice Agreement Line" to the West of that location. ------ http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/f45643a78fcba719852560f6005987ad/3077feeb… "The 1967 census conducted by the Israeli authorities indicated that 66,000 Palestinians resided in East Jerusalem, 44,000 of whom resided in the area known before the June war as East Jerusalem and 22,000 in the West Bank area annexed after the war. At the time there were a few hundred Jews living in East Jerusalem. In June 1993, the Israeli Government was able to proudly announce that a Jewish majority had been achieved in East Jerusalem; at the same time, 155,000 Jews were officially-registered residents, as compared to 150,000 Palestinians." ------- -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Re: [tz] tabs vs spaces
by Shawn Steele May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

> Actually, I suggest that we should really be discouraging people from creating alternate parsers for the zone input files than zic - those two should remain closely tied together. From time to time we discover the need to add some new feature to the input language, doing that is really hard if all kinds of other implementations will suddenly break. That makes it even harder? Because presumably the code behavior changes too, which would be harder to adapt to. IMO this seems like a further argument for XML as it's pretty easy to extend some things w/o breaking other stuff > Further, the input file format is rather quirky, and hard to explain completely in a way that makes a lot of sense (though it is perfectly fine for zic). I don't find that comforting or reassuring. -Shawn

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