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Position of Arthur David Olson and Paul Eggert regarding the status of Jerusalem
by Tobias Conradi May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

1) https://github.com/eggert/tz/commit/65a7988fe8b4007023ef2130064421eacd263e4c says "Arthur David Olson authored 17 years ago" "+IL +3146+03514 Asia/Jerusalem most locations" Was Arthur David Olson the one who first declared Jerusalem to be Israel territory? Maybe the one who put that in, could state the reasons for doing so and provide a patch if he thinks this should be changed now. 2) The current IANA time zone database maintainer is Paul Eggert. There is no reply to the proposal to change the zone identifying location for the Israel zone from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv. http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2013-April/019134.html "Proposal to use Asia/Tel_Aviv for Israel - Jerusalem is not internationally recognized as part of Israel" Does Paul Eggert endorse the decision to have Jerusalem (in fact even parts or all of East Jerusalem) declared Israel territory in the IANA time zone database? If so, what is the reason? Support of occupation, annexation and population exchange? -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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East Jerusalem as Israel territory in IANA zone.tab, demographics since occupation by Israel
by Tobias Conradi May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

ftp://ftp.iana.org/tz/data/zone.tab has IL +3146+03514 Asia/Jerusalem http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2B31deg+46N+%2B035+deg+14E computes 31.7667°N, 35.2333°E https://maps.google.com/maps?q=31.7667,35.2333 shows a dashed line labeled "1949 Armistice Agreement Line" to the West of that location. ------ http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/f45643a78fcba719852560f6005987ad/3077feeb… "The 1967 census conducted by the Israeli authorities indicated that 66,000 Palestinians resided in East Jerusalem, 44,000 of whom resided in the area known before the June war as East Jerusalem and 22,000 in the West Bank area annexed after the war. At the time there were a few hundred Jews living in East Jerusalem. In June 1993, the Israeli Government was able to proudly announce that a Jewish majority had been achieved in East Jerusalem; at the same time, 155,000 Jews were officially-registered residents, as compared to 150,000 Palestinians." ------- -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Re: [tz] tabs vs spaces
by Shawn Steele May 4, 2013

May 4, 2013

> Actually, I suggest that we should really be discouraging people from creating alternate parsers for the zone input files than zic - those two should remain closely tied together. From time to time we discover the need to add some new feature to the input language, doing that is really hard if all kinds of other implementations will suddenly break. That makes it even harder? Because presumably the code behavior changes too, which would be harder to adapt to. IMO this seems like a further argument for XML as it's pretty easy to extend some things w/o breaking other stuff > Further, the input file format is rather quirky, and hard to explain completely in a way that makes a lot of sense (though it is perfectly fine for zic). I don't find that comforting or reassuring. -Shawn

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Re: [tz] tabs vs spaces
by SM May 3, 2013

May 3, 2013

At 09:36 03-05-2013, random832(a)fastmail.us wrote: >The RFC itself is very inadequate to the task. It does not once define >what "the TZ database" actually contains, or the format of any files >within. To the extent that it defines it by reference, one could >interpret it as giving official standing to all of the documentation >files within the project. Or maybe all that authority is delegated to >the TZ coordinator. Please do not consider anything in this message as authoritative. The RFC was written to find a host for the TZ database. The TZ coordinator keeps things running. Regards, -sm

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Re: [tz] Ambiguous abbreviations for Australian timezones when daylight savings is in affect
by Tobias Conradi May 3, 2013

May 3, 2013

On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Paul Eggert <eggert(a)cs.ucla.edu> wrote: > For example, you gave a link to the > NSW Dept of Attorney General & Justice saying that in summer, eastern time > is abbreviated "AEDT". But that very web page also says, in another > place, that the abbreviation is "EDST". So this single source contradicts > the assertion that abbreviations are consistently used by the NSW > government. > > Here's that URL again: > > http://www.communityrelations.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/cru/daylight/definitions_o… > > And the EDST-related quote from that page: > > "Daylight saving or summer time is commonly expressed as EDST (Eastern Daylight Saving Time)." For the record: 2013-03-31 Tobias Conradi sent via http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/feedback/LawlinkCaselawFeedback.nsf/frmWebFee… --------------- Two abbreviations used for what looks like one thing at http://www.communityrelations.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/cru/daylight/definitions_o… 1) EDST: Daylight saving or summer time is commonly expressed as EDST (Eastern Daylight Saving Time). 2) AEDT: NSW, ACT,Vic and Tas move from AEST to Australian Eastern Daylight Time (AEDT), ... --------------- 2013-04-30 communityrelations.lawlink.nsw.gov.au emailed (to a wrong email address, so that's why I sent it today): --------------- 30/04/2013 10:54 AM Please respond to .... agd.nsw.gov.au To .... tobiasconradi.com cc Subject Your online feedback about daylight saving (matter13/002220) Dear Mr Conradi Thank you for the feedback, which you submitted regarding abbreviations that are used on the Department's website for daylight saving. You may be interested to know that the Department has noted your concerns and has updated its website accordingly. Thank you for taking the time to make your concerns known. .... Yours faithfully for Director Community Relations Unit NSW Department of Attorney General & Justice Locked Bag 5111, Parramatta NSW 2124 ....... --------------- -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Fwd: offtopic? csail.mit.edu - tabs vs spaces
by Tobias Conradi May 3, 2013

May 3, 2013

Garrett Wollman has question that involves copyright. I am not a lawyer, maybe someone else can help. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Garrett Wollman <wollman(a)csail.mit.edu> Date: Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:37 AM Subject: [tz] offtopic? csail.mit.edu - tabs vs spaces To: Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> <<On Fri, 3 May 2013 01:10:29 +0200, Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> said: > Can someone help GAWollman how to only get emails that he wants? What part of "do not post private email to public mailing-lists without the copyright owner's permission" don't you understand? -GAWollman -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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offtopic? csail.mit.edu - tabs vs spaces
by Tobias Conradi May 2, 2013

May 2, 2013

Can someone help GAWollman how to only get emails that he wants? On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Garrett Wollman <wollman(a)csail.mit.edu> wrote: > <<On Fri, 3 May 2013 00:53:22 +0200, Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> said: > >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Garrett Wollman <wollman(a)csail.mit.edu> wrote: >>> <<On Thu, 2 May 2013 22:18:50 +0200, Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> said: >>> >>>>> you seem to be >>>>> being deliberately disingenuous. >>>> To you. >>> >>> No, to everyone. >> Not to me. > >>> Please go away. >> What BCP or Theory rule you are referring to? > > There is no BCP rule that says "don't be a twit in public"; you are > expected to have learned this in primary school. > >>> You are wasting everyone's valuable >>> time and attention. >> You cannot know that. > > You are certainly wasting my valuable time and attention, and I don't > believe that I am atypical. > > I do not recall giving you permission to repost my email to a public > mailing-list. > > -GAWollman -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Re: [tz] tabs vs spaces
by Tobias Conradi May 2, 2013

May 2, 2013

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Garrett Wollman <wollman(a)csail.mit.edu> wrote: > <<On Thu, 2 May 2013 22:18:50 +0200, Tobias Conradi <mail.2012(a)tobiasconradi.com> said: > >>> you seem to be >>> being deliberately disingenuous. >> To you. > > No, to everyone. Not to me. > Please go away. What BCP or Theory rule you are referring to? > You are wasting everyone's valuable > time and attention. You cannot know that. > -GAWollman -- Tobias Conradi Rheinsberger Str. 18 10115 Berlin Germany http://tobiasconradi.com

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Russian Asia/Khandyga Asia/Ust-Nera
by Marvel, Jim (CPCOE) April 30, 2013

April 30, 2013

Hi, Will there be a new shapefile due to the tz_data change? Thanks Jim Marvel Software Engineer II Honeywell ESEA/CMS/CP/CoE 8323 Lindbergh Court Sarasota FL 34243 Phone - 941.360.6209 (alt: 941.360.6213) Fax - 941.355.9241 Jim.Marvel(a)Honeywell.com<mailto:nancy.ramm@honeywell.com>

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Re: [tz] Ambiguous abbreviations for Australian timezones when daylight savings is in affect [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
by Timothy Arceri April 30, 2013

April 30, 2013

On 31/03/13 01:24, Paul Eggert wrote: >On 03/30/13 03:34, Timothy Arceri wrote: >> The links that I have presented in the other thread make it fairly clear that >> all states *are* using a consistent format for abbreviations. >I'm afraid that doesn't follow. One can easily find disagreements >with the contents of those links. For example, you gave a link to the >NSW Dept of Attorney General & Justice saying that in summer, eastern time >is abbreviated "AEDT". But that very web page also says, in another >place, that the abbreviation is "EDST". So this single source contradicts >the assertion that abbreviations are consistently used by the NSW >government. >Here's that URL again: >http://www.communityrelations.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/cru/daylight/definitions_o… >And the EDST-related quote from that page: >"Daylight saving or summer time is commonly expressed as EDST (Eastern Daylight Saving Time)." Just FYI I contacted the Department to enquire as to why they had included different abbreviations on that page and if they could clarify what abbreviation is officially used. While I did not get a direct response to my questions I did get a reply today: "Thank you for the feedback which you submitted regarding abbreviations the Department uses for daylight saving on its website. You may be interested to know that the Department has noted your concerns and has updated its website accordingly." Looking at the page they have now removed all reference to EDST and have also additionally added abbreviations for all other states mentioned. Tim

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