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UASG011 - DRAFT - FAQ's
by Don Hollander Aug. 8, 2016

Aug. 8, 2016

We’ve been developing an FAQ. The 1st draft is attached. Again, can I please get comments by the end of the month? Thanks. Don

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Re: [UA-discuss] UA-discuss Digest, Vol 20, Issue 2
by Harish Chowdhary Aug. 4, 2016

Aug. 4, 2016

Hi,This is my first post in the list and i am not sure ,the questions i am going to ask ,are relevant to ongoing discussion.Kindly help me to find out the answer or kindly direct me to right location if i am not asking at correct platform.1. I would like to know number of users having internationalized email IDs across the world.2. Is there any report or survey by ICANN or any other organization on the demand  of Internationalized e-mail ID's.3. Do we have any case study of successful deployment of internationalized e-mail.Harish ChowdharyNational Internet Exchange of India (NIXI)From: ua-discuss-request(a)icann.orgSent: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 17:30:22To: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: UA-discuss Digest, Vol 20, Issue 2Send UA-discuss mailing list submissions to   ua-discuss(a)icann.orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit   https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discussor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'h! elp' to   ua-discuss-request(a)icann.orgYou can reach the person managing the list at   ua-discuss-owner(a)icann.orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of UA-discuss digest..."Today's Topics:  1. Re: Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to a     non-technical audience? (Naomi Pearce)  2. Re: Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to a     non-technical audience? (Andrew Sullivan)  3. Re: Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to a     non-technical audience? (Naomi Pearce)  4. Re: Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to   a     non-technical audience? (Mark Svancarek)  5. Notes from UA Coordination Group Call (Don Hollander)  6. Re: Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII   to   a     non-technical audience? (Dusan Stojic! evic)  7. Re: Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII &nbsp ; to   a     non-technical audience? (Andrew Sullivan)  8. Re: Language - how do you refer to   non-ASCII   to   a     non-technical audience? (Dusan Stojicevic)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Wed,  3 Aug 2016 11:44:07 -0700From: Naomi Pearce <naomi(a)well.com>To: UA-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to   a   non-technical audience?Message-ID:   <r470Ps-1095i-650F63827FE14E858BEE71247142E11D@75-101-50-192.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowedI keep tripping up on referring to language being "non-" something.Here's why. If I ask you to think of an elephant that isn'tblue, what's the first thing you think of?  Often, it's ! a blueelephant first, then one works to get to non-blue.In sports, coaches deal with this all the time. For example, ifa coach tells a baseball pitcher to avoid pitching low andinside, sure enough, the tendency will be low, or inside.Therefore, the coach is the one who has to do the translation ofwhat it is they actually want, rather than what they don't want-- in the example, to pitch to the outside, or to pitch higher.[Feel free to adjust the example to any sport, or coachedactivity, that you like.]In our case, I ask myself if it would be better to focus on whatthe language is, rather than isn't. That's where it gets challenging.A half-step would be talking about languages 'beyond' English.It still has a fair amount of the blue-elephant problem.I think 'domains in world languages' is heading in the rightdirection, though it's a tad dense in that I have no idea what a'world language' is unless I mentally work really hard. Ergo,some b! rainstormed notions below... take what you need and leavethe rest.On 7 /22/16 at 12:41 PM, jothan(a)jothan.com (Jothan Frakes) wrote:>Not sure if 'domains in world languages'In case any of these suggestions or ideas resonate, how about:'domains in all languages''domains in all written languages''domains in every language''domains in any major language''domains in any language used in the world''domains in most major languages''domains in many kinds of languages''domains in various languages used in the world''domains in the native languages used in the world''domains in native languages''domains in local languages'Just thoughts...--TTFN, tah tah for now,Naomi PearcePearce Communications510/528-0824***********************************************************             "Any fool can farm flatland!"                            -- Walter Ca! mp***********************************************************------------------------------Message: 2Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 15:07:14 -0400From: Andrew Sullivan <ajs(a)anvilwalrusden.com>To: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to   a non-technical audience?Message-ID: <20160803190714.GM18305(a)mx2.yitter.info>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiOn Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 11:44:07AM -0700, Naomi Pearce wrote:> I keep tripping up on referring to language being "non-" something.And again, I'll point out that language is the wrong word, no matter_what_ you pick.I'm not being merely bloody-minded here.  Here, for instance, are thenames in the NS set for one of my mail domains:crankycanuck.ca.   86400   IN   NS   ns3159.dns.dyn.com.crankycanuck.ca.   86400   IN   NS  !  ns4152.dns.dyn.com.crankycanuck.ca.   86400    IN   NS   ns1138.dns.dyn.com.crankycanuck.ca.   86400   IN   NS   ns2176.dns.dyn.com.Maybe if you squint, "crankycanuck" is a compound word in English."DNS" might be a word, but it's not merely in English: it's the nameof the service, and so it's a word in every language.  Dyn is the nameof my employer, so there again it's not in English.  (Indeed, it's notin English anyway.  It's pronounced "dine" as in "Dynamic NetworkServices", but any English pronunciation rule says it should bepronounced "din".  In China, I find, it's pronounced "dee-wye-en",with very little pause where the hyphens are.)  It's quite clear thatca, com, and nsNNNN are not words in English."The writing systems of the whole world" is accurate.  "Your local wayof writing&qu! ot; is accurate.  "The writing systems of many differentlanguages" is correct.  "Your language" is not, ever, period.A--Andrew Sullivanajs(a)anvilwalrusden.com------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed,  3 Aug 2016 12:26:24 -0700From: Naomi Pearce <naomi(a)well.com>To: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to   a   non-technical audience?Message-ID:   <r470Ps-1095i-EAE56438A4C24C09BB6524F885603E1C@75-101-50-192.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Nice!  Good stuff.On 8/3/16 at 12:07 PM, ajs(a)anvilwalrusden.com (Andrew Sullivan) wrote:> "Your local way> of writing" is accurate.  > "The writing systems of many different> languages" is correct.------------------------------Message: 4Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 20:57:39 +0000From: Mark Svancarek <m! arksv(a)microsoft.com>To: Naomi Pearce <naomi(a)well.com>, " ua-discuss@icann.org"   <ua-discuss@icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to   a   non-technical audience?Message-ID:   <CO2PR03MB2135078B7A94C64A78CE335AD1060@CO2PR03MB2135.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8""Your local way of writing" is terrific.  It's accurate and concise and conveys the emotional impact that people should get when they realize the benefit they will receive.-----Original Message-----From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Naomi PearceSent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 12:26 PMTo: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to a non-technical audience?Nice!  Good stuff.On 8/3/16 at 12:07 PM, ajs(a)anvilwalrusden.com (Andrew Sullivan) wrote:> "Your local way> of writ! ing" is accurate.  > "The writing systems of many different languages" is correct.------------------------------Message: 5Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 02:02:52 +0000From: Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org>To: "ua-coordination(a)icann.org" <ua-coordination(a)icann.org>Cc: "UA-discuss(a)icann.org" <UA-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] Notes from UA Coordination Group CallMessage-ID: <638CC3AB-CE8F-4F0A-A8BD-09485ECAD787(a)icann.org>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Attached are the notes from today?s UASG Coordination Group call.Please review and advise for accuracy and completeness.Thanks.Don-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: Notes - UA Coordination - August 2016.pdfType: application/pdfSize: 94521 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20160804/f35e81ea/Notes-UACoordination-August2016-0001.pdf>------! 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Simplified script or ...?Or - "Oh, I don't need to write those dots in domain name, I can use without them and put the dot at the end of the sentence" :).There is a lot of meanings for "Your local way of writing", so "accurate" is under a question.Secondly, "Your local way of writing", without referring to specific script, put "emotional impact" in a position where it depends on the person who say that and who is in the audience.Do You mean Cyrillic, or Thai, or some other script, or all... Can be confusing.Person - if it's a native English speaker, probably ok. If it's me or other non-native English speaker - does it means that Cyrillic is excluded, or it's about just a domestic, local script.And, you have better knowledge about PR for sure, but - "Your" without referring to specific script CAN be offensive someti! me - depends on the audience and "the moment".If it's wr itten - it creates another confusing dimension. Let say, do we have Rusyn Cyrillic? Are we sure about ALL scripts for all possible readers of that doc?Or simply: "Oh, Serbia (or name it) is a small country, probably there is no Serbian script there".And finally, in broader sense - "Your local way of writing" is a set of all scripts, including ASCII which we want to exclude on the first place.We need a simple term, few words, that can be understood properly by all, which doesn't mean that we need to be technically precise...My two cents...Dusan-----Original Message-----From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Mark Svancarek via UA-discussSent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:58 PMTo: Naomi Pearce <naomi(a)well.com>; ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to a non-technical audience?"Your local way of writing" is terrific.  It's accurate and ! concise and conveys the emotional impact that people should get when they realize the benefit they will receive.-----Original Message-----From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Naomi PearceSent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 12:26 PMTo: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to a non-technical audience?Nice!  Good stuff.On 8/3/16 at 12:07 PM, ajs(a)anvilwalrusden.com (Andrew Sullivan) wrote:> "Your local way> of writing" is accurate.  > "The writing systems of many different languages" is correct.------------------------------Message: 7Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 23:05:16 -0400From: Andrew Sullivan <ajs(a)anvilwalrusden.com>To: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII   to   a   non-technical audience?Message-ID: <20160804030516.GR18305(a)mx2.yitter.info>Co! ntent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiOn Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 04:55: 53AM +0200, Dusan Stojicevic wrote:> And finally, in broader sense - "Your local way of writing" is a set of all scripts, including ASCII which we want to exclude on the first place.>I don't know what it would mean to try to exclude ASCII from the DNS.In a registry, I suppose you could accept only U-labels forregistration.  That wouldn't constrain subordinate names anyway.> We need a simple term, few words, that can be understood properly by all, which doesn't mean that we need to be technically precise...>Well, it needs not to be actually wrong, too.  Domain names aren't ina language, and the repetition of the trope that this or that domainname is "in" some language is doing a lot of harm.  It leads people tobelieve in variant systems, tests of meaningfulness of domain names,and other fairy stories that create lots of opportunities for demandsthat cannot be satisfied.  If the goal of this project is univers! alacceptance, then we'd best not create conditions where we make it evenmore likely people will reject these domain names.A--Andrew Sullivanajs(a)anvilwalrusden.com------------------------------Message: 8Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 06:20:03 +0200From: "Dusan Stojicevic" <dusan(a)dukes.in.rs>To: <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to   non-ASCII   to   a   non-technical audience?Message-ID: <023c01d1ee07$79ee7ef0$6dcb7cd0$(a)dukes.in.rs>Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"I apologize for the first thing, probably I was not precise. We don't knowwho is reading (or is in the audience), and if we assume that all people canread this doc (or hear this term), then we include "everybody" - meaningalso those who use ASCII in "local way of writing". And we are trying tofind something to represent "non-A! SCII".For the second one, I agree to the point that it needs not to be actuallywrong. For the rest, I still think that most convenient is non-English, butonly for this target audience. I don't want to go further into discussionwhy nba.com for those people is "in" English language, or why 123456 is anumber for them (and that's how they remember and read this) but it'sactually PIN which is numeric password or it can be vehicle registrationplate with different meaning for each digit (without numeric value as awhole number)... Let say, we agree that we disagree on this one :)Cheers,Dusan-----Original Message-----From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] OnBehalf Of Andrew SullivanSent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 5:05 AMTo: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to anon-technical audience?On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 04:55:53AM +0200, Dusan Stojicevic wrote:> And finally, in broader sense - "Your local way of writing" is a set ofall scrip! ts, including ASCII which we want to exclude on the first place.>I don't know what it would mean to try to exclude ASCII from the DNS.In a registry, I suppose you could accept only U-labels for registration.That wouldn't constrain subordinate names anyway.> We need a simple term, few words, that can be understood properly by all,which doesn't mean that we need to be technically precise...>Well, it needs not to be actually wrong, too.  Domain names aren't in alanguage, and the repetition of the trope that this or that domain name is"in" some language is doing a lot of harm.  It leads people to believe invariant systems, tests of meaningfulness of domain names, and other fairystories that create lots of opportunities for demands that cannot besatisfied.  If the goal of this project is universal acceptance, then we'dbest not create conditions where we make it even more likely people willreject these domain names.A--Andrew S! ullivanajs(a)anvilwalrusden.com------------------------------___________ ____________________________________UA-discuss mailing listUA-discuss@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discussEnd of UA-discuss Digest, Vol 20, Issue 2***************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [NIXI is on Social-Media too. 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Notes from UA Coordination Group Call
by Don Hollander Aug. 3, 2016

Aug. 3, 2016

Attached are the notes from today’s UASG Coordination Group call. Please review and advise for accuracy and completeness. Thanks. Don

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Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to a non-technical audience?
by Don Hollander Aug. 1, 2016

Aug. 1, 2016

I’ve been grappling with this for la very long and now find out I’m not the only one. So, how would you simply refer to IDNs. a) non-ASCII - probably technically correct, but would your grandmother know what this meant? b) non-Latin - Not even close to being correct as Latin character sets have all sorts of extra bits and bobs c) non-English - Currently my favourite at the moment. I’m looking for something really short. Your thoughts? Don

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UA Coordination Group August Call
by Don Hollander July 30, 2016

July 30, 2016

This is notice of a UA Coordination Group call on 3 August 2016 @ 23:00 UTC - our normal meeting time and place Please note other upcoming calls: - EAI Working Group - 1st week of August. Let me know if you're running or building an EAI system and want to attend - Programming Evaluation Criteria. Currently waiting for the first draft of this to be completed. Once this is done, we'll convene a call to go over it. - UA Ready Criteria working group. Depending on the outcome of this UA Coordination Group call, if we decide to work on this, then we'll convene a call in August - UA Issue Logging. Depending on the outcome of this UA Coordination Group call, if we decide to work on this, then we'll convene a call in August. - There may also be a continuation of this call if we don't get to everything. Any questions or comments and request for speaking slots, please let me know. Don Agenda UA Coordination Group August 2016 Date: 3 August 16 23:00 UTC https://icann.adobeconnect.com/universalacceptance MobileUSA tel://1-719-325-2630,*,,7375086559#<tel://1-719-325-2630,*,,7375086559/> MobileNZ: tel://0800-459-127,*,,7375086559# MobileHK tel://800-968-082,*,,7375086559# MobileUK tel://0800-368-0950,*,,7375086559# Phone Only Controls : https://go.conferencinghub.com/1n1zr Other numbers available by request. August 2016 1. Attendance/Apologies 2. Review of June 2016 Meeting Notes 3. Actions from June 2016 Meeting * We'll develop an on-line survey on the UASG's performance and opportunities for the future. This will probably be issued immediately at the end of the UA presentation in Helsinki - Only just started * Unicode Conference in Santa Clara November 1 - 3. Possible inclusion in the Breaking All Barriers section. 4. UA @ ICANN56 5. Current Projects Update * UA Use Case o Do we include an emoji.TLD Use case? * Browser Review * Programming Language Frameworks Review & Mitigation o Criteria o Reviews o Mitigation * White Paper * IETF/Unicode Consortium * Website Evaluations * IDG CIO Executive Council 6. Current Document Review * UASG003 - Revision of UA Fact Sheet * UASG011 - FAQs 7. Potential Projects * Problem Logging * UA Readiness Criteria * UA Readiness Automated Evaluation Tool(s) * UA in the Internet Industry * University Lectures - UA & EAI * M3WAAG Membership ($1,000 - not for profit, but ICANN is already a member) * UA Conference * Whack-a-mole? How to engage the North American and European CIOs? 8. EAI * Group Creation * EAI Ready Evaluation Criteria o Client o Server * EAI Readiness Evaluation Project o Criteria for inclusion in the evaluation * Quick Guide to EAI 9. Communications/PR Activities * Local Outreach o Australian Pilot * Case Studies * Analyst Briefings 10. Events * Face to Face Meeting * Program for India 11. Administration * Procurement Processes * FY 15/16 End of Year Results 12. AoB *

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Email client marketshare
by Dusan Stojicevic July 27, 2016

July 27, 2016

FYI https://emailclientmarketshare.com/

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UASG002 - Website Administrator Outreach Note TRANSLATIONS - Request for help, please
by Don Hollander July 25, 2016

July 25, 2016

Dear all: The revised UASG002 has been out for a week now. Besides the supporting comments, there was one comment that suggested those doing work on behalf of the UASG should use a more structured and advanced text. We’ll work on that. In the meantime, I would very much appreciate it if those of you who are bi- or multi-lingual could apply your skills to translate the following: ---- English Dear Website Administrator, I tried to create an account using my email address: xxxxx(a)xxxxx.xxxxx. Your site does not accept it and I’m reaching out to you to please look into and fix this issue. I found more information on new domain names and email addresses at www.uasg.tech <http://www.uasg.tech/>. You might find the information there helpful as you work to fix this problem. Thank you. —— Here’s the link for adding your own translations. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DeofaHmtntEgeU1wJPZceiRVUcbaSDMDPMxq18r… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DeofaHmtntEgeU1wJPZceiRVUcbaSDMDPMxq18r…> Last time we did this we got 7 languages. This time, with more than 200 subscribers to the UA-Discuss list, I hope that we can get more. Here are some suggestions. Afrikaans Arabic French Gaelic German Hebrew Hindi Italian Maori Persian Portuguese Russian Serbian Spanish Tongan Welsh Thanks. Don

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Re: [UA-discuss] Language - how do you refer to non-ASCII to a non-technical audience?
by Hazem Hezzah July 23, 2016

July 23, 2016

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Revised UASG003 - Fact Sheet
by Don Hollander July 22, 2016

July 22, 2016

Please find attached a revised version of UASG003 It’s changed to reflect the clear communication messages that we went over in Helsinki. Could you please make comments or corrections by the end of July? Thanks. Don

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Video from Thailand on Importance of Universal Acceptance
by Eric Zelenka July 18, 2016

July 18, 2016

All, A couple months ago I saw an excellent, albeit funny, video from Thailand on the importance of Universal Acceptance. Does anyone remember the video and/or where I can find it? I searched The Google but I could not find. Thanks, — Eric

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