February 2015 - UA-discuss

Odg: Re: IGF Workshop Proposal: Universal Acceptance
by Dusan Stojicevic March 13, 2015

March 13, 2015

Another YES. We should do it. Regards, Dusan Poslato iz Samsung MobileEdmon Chung <edmon(a)registry.asia> je napisao/la:Yes we should do it. I think we can try to target the government community at the IGF. Edmon From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Pritz Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:05 PM To: UA-discuss(a)icann.org Subject: [UA-discuss] IGF Workshop Proposal: Universal Acceptance Dear UA Steering Group Team: The Internet Governance Forum (IGF) is soliciting Workshop Proposals for its November 2015 meeting in Brazil. I recommend that the ICANN UASG and the DNA jointly propose a workshop on Universal Acceptance. This seems like a good audience to promote UA awareness. Last year's IGF had about 2400 onsite participants, including about 25% from governments & IGOs, 25% private sector, and 110 participants from media. I understand that the private sector representatives includes many Fortune 500 companies. There is little overlap with the ICANN crowd. The responsibilities are to write the proposal according to the IGF-furnished outline (including identification of speakers), get the speakers to the meeting, and report on the proceedings. There is no fee for sponsorship. I read the proposal requirements and evaluation criteria - I and members of the DNA Tech and Marketing Committees (along with any UASG members who volunteer) can write the proposal, which is due at the end of March. The UASG and DNA can easily bring excellent speakers to the panel. Proposals must support the IGF themes each year. About 1 in 3 proposals get accepted but I think UA falls under a number of the themes for this IGF, they are: – Cybersecurity and Trust; – Internet Economy; – Inclusiveness and Diversity; – Openness; – Enhancing Multistakeholder Cooperation; – Internet and Human Rights; – Critical Internet Resources; – Emerging Issues. Please share your thoughts. If you agree with this proposal, you might write how we should organize this effort. Also state if you wish to volunteer to help draft a proposal. If we do make a proposal, the types of expertise required for the speaking panel will be identified and UASG members can volunteer for that at that time. More information can be found at: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/ (second item on the page). Thanks & Regards, Kurt Kurt Pritz The DNA +1-310-400-4184

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Regarding "RTL"
by Mark Svancarek March 3, 2015

March 3, 2015

Hi, I had some questions regarding my recent usage of the term “RTL”. By this I mean “right to left”, a characteristic of Arabic and Hebrew. At Microsoft we also call this “bidi” (bidirectional). Here’s a discussion regarding RTL. (I’ve also attached a much more detailed explanation, which includes Microsoft’s recommendations, but it’s in PowerPoint. Hopefully you already use a compatible viewer.) Bidi display of IRIs (URLs/URIs) Bidirectional display of IRIs (an IRI with some Right-To-Left characters, eg: Arabic) has some odd quirks. There’s an IETF WG working on creating an IRI RFC. It’d be nice if we could help ensure that there were reasonable standards for the display of bidi IRIs. The existing IRI drafts suggest using the Unicode Bidi Algorithm to display IRIs, but that has some problems. User and government feedback indicates that our current behavior is a bit unexpected. Currently we have some odd quirks about the display of Bidi IRIs in Microsoft. This is just an example, other places may have different odd quirks. Logical Order IE with LTR context IE with RTL context http://www.microsoft.com http://www.microsoft.com http://www.microsoft.com http://اا1اا.بب2بب.ةة3ةة http://اا1اا.بب2بب.ةة3ةة http://اا1اا.بب2بب.ةة3ةة http://a1a.اا2اا.بب3بب.d4d http://a1a.اا2اا.بب3بب.d4d http://a1a.اا2اا.بب3بب.d4d http://اا1اا.b2b.c3c.بب4بب http://اا1اا.b2b.c3c.بب4بب http://اا1اا.b2b.c3c.بب4بب As we can see, the order of some of the elements may seem counter-intuitive. The highlighted sections start in one direction, but then jump or rearrange direction so that the elements don’t follow the same order. The Unicode Bidi algorithm has the idea that some characters aren’t inherently RTL or LTR. Instead they take on the properties of the characters surrounding them. This is why some pairs get “flipped” in the rendered order. User Expectations Limited usability investigations have demonstrated that users expect IRIs and other paths to be in the form of an ordered list. The “separators” of the various fields vary, but the entire unit is treated as a list. E.g.: http://www.microsoft.com is a list { “http”, “www”, “microsoft”, “com” }. Users expect it to be rendered “in order” with the first element, then second, etc. What is a bit unclear is exactly which direction the users expect the lists to be rendered in. There seem to be 2 main options for what users expect: · Always render the path elements from Left to Right (e.g. “www.microsoft.com<http://www.microsoft.com>”) regardless of the script. · Always render the path elements from Right to Left in a Bidi context (application), e.g.: “com.microsoft.www//:http”, EVEN FOR ASCII IRIs. We need to confirm what the user expectations are for Bidi Display, and ensure that any edits to IETF IRI standards match those expectations.

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UASG Draft Charter
by Christian Dawson March 3, 2015

March 3, 2015

Colleagues, Here is a link to a copy of a UASG Draft Charter for community review. The ability to comment has been turned on. The ability to directly edit the document has been turned off for now. The goal at this stage isn’t to wordsmith the Charter but to discuss its scope and core concepts. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Y6AkpPjlCHBw50sfFXIegTuEOCeeXfv1l_tp4… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Y6AkpPjlCHBw50sfFXIegTuEOCeeXfv1l_tp4…> I hope this is a good jumping off point for a successful UASG. See you all on the call in a few minutes. All the best, Christian Dawson Chairman & Co-founder Internet Infrastructure Coalition (i2C) c: 703 623 2612 http://i2coalition.com <http://i2coalition.com/> PGP: 26F8DBD8 Fingerprint: 35A1 12C9 8CBC 8F72 3706 52EA 23F2 CA0C 26F8 DBD8

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Preparing a Budget request
by Kurt Pritz Feb. 28, 2015

Feb. 28, 2015

Hi Everyone: I am writing to request your input on an approach to making a budget / funding request to ICANN. I make some recommendations below but am open to others. During the Singapore meeting many identified the formulation of a budget or funding request to ICANN as a high-priority item: high priority because funding of a communication effort is required to promote Universal Awareness of the issue and and also because ICANN's budgeting season is in full swing and the ICANN timetable calls for "community" budget requests very shortly. I recommend that our immediate action is to write to Akram & Cyrus, who kicked off the UA session in Singapore with a commitment of ICANN support to let them know we are formulating a request and ask them how we should submit it. I'd be happy to draft that. I also recommend that we form a team to formulate a proposal. There are a number of marketing and communications professionals on our UA team and, believing the most significant portion of the proposal will have to do with communication, we should recruit them into this effort. We can utilize the existing UA-Comms email list to conduct the discussion and add those that want to participate. I can work with Don Hollander to coordinate the launch of that discussion. Besides a communications effort, there might be other efforts: building and staffing a UA issues desk of the handling "complaints" about UA issues building software or other tools Please reply with funding efforts you think could be funded. I hope this is helpful and in line with the thinking of others. Best regards, Kurt Kurt Pritz +1-310-400-4184 Skype: kjpritz

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Odg: Re: Preparing a Budget request
by Dusan Stojicevic Feb. 28, 2015

Feb. 28, 2015

Don and Mike +1 At this stage, I don't want to talk about the budget. Regards, Dusan Poslato iz Samsung MobileMike Silber <mike.silber(a)icann.org> je napisao/la:Don +1 IMO if this group can be clear on the role of ICANN (the organization, rather than the community), the rest should flow. I would like to suggest that the ICANN role is that of catalyst. Not hiring developers. It's role should be seed funding initiatives to allow some space to seek co-funding, not running or sole funding the initiatives. My reason for saying this is not to avoid responsibility, but rather to see how we can maximize impact and partner with commercial players, language communities, entrepreneurs and individuals. Just my personal opinion. Mike On 27 Feb 2015, at 06:39, Don Hollander <don(a)i2.org.nz> wrote: Kurt, et al… I wouldn’t worry so much about the budget process but instead focus on the tasks that the community thinks need to be done (including those that will require cash) and some indication of the amount that might required. We’ve already heard from Akram and Cyrus about how important this is within ICANN, so let’s let them handle the internal process. A few examples that I have heard over the past month or so: 1) Host a Hackathon so that validation and transformation code can be developed in many different programming languages. 2) Provide travel support for UA Ambassadors to get the message out. 3) Support a trouble ticket logging system, possibly with resources devoted to educating remedies 4) Developing documentation aimed at: Software Engineers; Systems Architects; CIOs, CEOs, Sales & Marketing Executives, Government Officials, Government Ministers 5) Seeding open sources solutions for a mail client. (CNNIC funded an open source mail transport agent last year). 6) Developing some metrics and regularly measuring them. These are just some ideas that I’ve heard. I hope that this group will spend some time thinking of where they would want effort made rather than worry about ICANN’s internal budget process. (and not everything may happen in the first year, but let’s see what we, as a community, think needs to happen and then how we schedule things. And, of course, I hope that people are thinking about which area they want to spend some of their time and effort to move this forward. As I noted yesterday, the draft Charter is still open for comments. Don On 26/02/2015, at 12:08 pm, Kurt Pritz <kpritz(a)thedna.org> wrote: Hi Everyone: I am writing to request your input on an approach to making a budget / funding request to ICANN. I make some recommendations below but am open to others. During the Singapore meeting many identified the formulation of a budget or funding request to ICANN as a high-priority item: high priority because funding of a communication effort is required to promote Universal Awareness of the issue and and also because ICANN's budgeting season is in full swing and the ICANN timetable calls for "community" budget requests very shortly. I recommend that our immediate action is to write to Akram & Cyrus, who kicked off the UA session in Singapore with a commitment of ICANN support to let them know we are formulating a request and ask them how we should submit it. I'd be happy to draft that. I also recommend that we form a team to formulate a proposal. There are a number of marketing and communications professionals on our UA team and, believing the most significant portion of the proposal will have to do with communication, we should recruit them into this effort. We can utilize the existing UA-Comms email list to conduct the discussion and add those that want to participate. I can work with Don Hollander to coordinate the launch of that discussion. Besides a communications effort, there might be other efforts: building and staffing a UA issues desk of the handling "complaints" about UA issues building software or other tools Please reply with funding efforts you think could be funded. I hope this is helpful and in line with the thinking of others. Best regards, Kurt Kurt Pritz +1-310-400-4184 Skype: kjpritz

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IGF Workshop Proposal: Universal Acceptance
by Kurt Pritz Feb. 28, 2015

Feb. 28, 2015

Dear UA Steering Group Team: The Internet Governance Forum (IGF) is soliciting Workshop Proposals for its November 2015 meeting in Brazil. I recommend that the ICANN UASG and the DNA jointly propose a workshop on Universal Acceptance. This seems like a good audience to promote UA awareness. Last year's IGF had about 2400 onsite participants, including about 25% from governments & IGOs, 25% private sector, and 110 participants from media. I understand that the private sector representatives includes many Fortune 500 companies. There is little overlap with the ICANN crowd. The responsibilities are to write the proposal according to the IGF-furnished outline (including identification of speakers), get the speakers to the meeting, and report on the proceedings. There is no fee for sponsorship. I read the proposal requirements and evaluation criteria - I and members of the DNA Tech and Marketing Committees (along with any UASG members who volunteer) can write the proposal, which is due at the end of March. The UASG and DNA can easily bring excellent speakers to the panel. Proposals must support the IGF themes each year. About 1 in 3 proposals get accepted but I think UA falls under a number of the themes for this IGF, they are: – Cybersecurity and Trust; – Internet Economy; – Inclusiveness and Diversity; – Openness; – Enhancing Multistakeholder Cooperation; – Internet and Human Rights; – Critical Internet Resources; – Emerging Issues. Please share your thoughts. If you agree with this proposal, you might write how we should organize this effort. Also state if you wish to volunteer to help draft a proposal. If we do make a proposal, the types of expertise required for the speaking panel will be identified and UASG members can volunteer for that at that time. More information can be found at: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/ (second item on the page). Thanks & Regards, Kurt Kurt Pritz The DNA +1-310-400-4184

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Reminders and actions...
by Don Hollander Feb. 26, 2015

Feb. 26, 2015

Dear subscribers: A couple of reminders: 1) Comments are still open on the draft charter. You can see the current state of play at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Y6AkpPjlCHBw50sfFXIegTuEOCeeXfv1l_tp4… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Y6AkpPjlCHBw50sfFXIegTuEOCeeXfv1l_tp4…>. If you have any difficulties seeing this or want to make comments outside the document, please contact Christian Dawson at dawson(a)i2coalition.com <mailto:dawson@i2coalition.com>. 2) During the last conference call there was a request to make the mailing list archives public. We can certainly do this from this point forward. As a matter of courtesy, if anyone has an objection to making earlier mailing list archives public, would you please let me know - either on this list or off this list. If I don’t hear an objection by the 4th of March, we’ll make it all publicly accessible. 3) If you have friends or colleagues who might have an interest in Universal Acceptance issues and you think they are not subscribed, point them to https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discuss <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discuss> where they can subscribe themselves. The following is a link to a Doodle Poll to help schedule the next UA Steering Group Call. http://doodle.com/t6gau2fkr4b544br <http://doodle.com/t6gau2fkr4b544br> A detailed Agenda will follow, but this is after the Charter has been finalised and after the nominations for Chair and Vice Chairs have been received. Don

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Reporting a TLD Universal Acceptance Issue
by Christian Dawson Feb. 23, 2015

Feb. 23, 2015

Colleagues, I may have missed this, and it may not be news to others - but I got a copy of the email below which seems to showcase an ICANN operated UA reporting tool: https://www.icann.org/forms/universalacceptances/new Christian Dawson Chairman & Co-founder Internet Infrastructure Coalition (i2C) c: 703 623 2612 http://i2coalition.com <http://i2coalition.com/> PGP: 22DF5493 Fingerprint: 7C95 A3BE 1E10 4864 8417 DCED B9E1 C8FD 22DF 5493 Please see below. From: Fahd Batayneh <fahd.batayneh(a)icann.org> Date: Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 3:29 AM To: GSE Team <gse(a)icann.org> Subject: [gse] Reporting a TLD Universal Acceptance Issue Colleagues, A reporting tool has been created at https://www.icann.org/forms/universalacceptances/new [www.icann.org] for those willing to report an issue/glitch related to TLDs and their universal acceptance. You might want to spread the word amongst your relevant communities. Thank you, Fahd Batayneh ICANN

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Notes from the Universal Acceptance Steering Group Call - 2015-02-19
by Don Hollander Feb. 23, 2015

Feb. 23, 2015

Please find attached my notes and actions from the call held last week. Please don’t forget to review the draft Charter and make comments & suggestions there. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask. Don

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What is the scope of Universal Acceptance? (was Re: this would be amusing if it wasn't so predictable)
by Francisco Arias Feb. 20, 2015

Feb. 20, 2015

I’m not arguing about this, just would like to understand what is being proposed since, as far as I understand, so far, the scope has been the three issues I mentioned below. What would be the new scope of Universal Acceptance that is being proposed? -- Francisco. On 2/19/15, 11:40 AM, "Mark Svancarek" <marksv(a)microsoft.com<mailto:marksv@microsoft.com>> wrote: It seems like it should be UA; we will need to add another requirement list for user input controls (can enter, renders, RTL, storage, APIs). From: Ram Mohan [mailto:rmohan@afilias.info] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 11:23 AM To: Francisco Arias; M3 Sweatt; Mark Svancarek; UA-discuss(a)icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] this would be amusing if it wasn't so predictable I’d consider this still in the UA area – since non-ASCII characters are not being accepted “natively” From: Francisco Arias [mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org<mailto:francisco.arias@icann.org>] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 2:17 PM To: M3 Sweatt; Mark Svancarek; UA-discuss(a)icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] this would be amusing if it wasn't so predictable Thanks for reporting this Mark, I’ll pass this report internally. Now, this is not UA related since there is no new TLD, IDNs, or EAI involved, correct? -- Francisco. On 2/19/15, 10:26 AM, "M3 Sweatt" <msweatt(a)microsoft.com<mailto:msweatt@microsoft.com>> wrote: I expect to see similar results when others attempt such updates. ;) Perhaps this limitation can be addressed? Sent from my Windows Phone. Replies may be brief and may have spelling errors. ________________________________ From: Mark Svancarek<mailto:marksv@microsoft.com> Sent: ‎2/‎19/‎2015 8:16 AM To: UA-discuss(a)icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss@icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] this would be amusing if it wasn't so predictable I tried to update my ICANN profile page today:

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