November 2015 - UA-discuss

Contacts at...
by Don Hollander June 23, 2016

June 23, 2016

G’day all… I’m hoping that you can help. I'm currently looking for the following contacts: - Yahoo - Someone who is familiar with their e-mail platform and plans for EAI - Adobe - Someone within their Flash Development Team - Mozilla - Someone within their Firefox team who’s working on Flash implementations - Twitter - Someone who is familiar with how they handle Linkifications If you are such a person, or you personally know such a person - or even know someone who will know someone (3 degrees of separation) - can you please let me know off the list? Thanks. Don don.hollander(a)icann.org

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IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Dec. 8, 2015

Dec. 8, 2015

Often times I hear that IDNs are not indexed by certain search engines. While I know this is not true, the example below doesn’t help my case either (at least not 100%). Here is an example where the IDN I’m looking for is showing up in the first 5 search results on Baidu (see picture below). However, the string is displayed as the punycode-encoded label instead of the corresponding Chinese IDN (i.e. xn--ebr05n.com) . Google and Yandex appear to work as expected. Bing didn’t display the domain name in the results (first two pages). Is there someone interested (and with the language skills) in taking the action item to reach out to Baidu? This might be in the form of opening a bug ticket to explain the problem (IDN is displayed as punycode-encoded label. Example: xn--ebr05.com) and what the expected result should have been (IDN displayed as Chinese domain nam. Example: 墨刀.com) [cid:image001.png@01D125D4.E6F49C60] Dennis Tan Sr. Product Manager Naming Services DTanTanaka(a)Verisign.com<mailto:DTanTanaka@Verisign.com> m: 571-246-7303 t: 703-948-4197 12061 Bluemont Way, Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com<http://www.verisigninc.com/> [Verisign(tm)]

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Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results
by Mark Svancarek Nov. 25, 2015

Nov. 25, 2015

Here’s what Bing says: At Bing indexing, we convert all IDN into punycode-encoded form and we are indexing those domains equally as the English ones. Specific to this DSATs, we have both modao.cc and xn--ebr05n.com (墨刀.com) in index, indicating there is no systematic issue handling IDN indexing. However, we do realize punycode-encoded form is less user friendly compared with the original form and we will further discuss internally on how we can improve the search UX. From: Jin Wang [mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info] Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:26 AM To: Mark Svancarek Cc: liuyue(a)catr.cn; Yaling Tan; Pinky Brand Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results Hi Mark, Greetings from Beijing! We really appreciate the great help you offered! I am passing the info to a small group of colleagues from the industry- policy makers, registries and registrars. We think it might be better to firstly gather as many ideas or questions as possible from our side so that we can offer a list of UA issues to companies like Microsoft and teams like the Bing. I will keep you posted for any update here in China, and please feel free to contact me for any possible question or tasks. Warmest Regards, Jin On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:59 AM, Mark Svancarek <marksv(a)microsoft.com<mailto:marksv@microsoft.com>> wrote: LMK if you need any assistance with the Microsoft Bing team. They are aware of this topic. From: Jin Wang [mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info>] Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:21 AM To: Tan Tanaka, Dennis Cc: ua-discuss; ua-international(a)icann.org<mailto:ua-international@icann.org>; yaojk; Brent London; Don Hollander; Mark Svancarek Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results Hi Dennis, Sorry for the confusion caused, I did miss your point, and yes of course you are definitely right about the a-label showing on the search result. As for the plan for China UA task, actually there is an existing yet very strong 'ICANN community' in China. we are working together to form a combined effort in UA by: Firstly identify the major stakeholders (policy makers, IDN tld registries, top registrars, top search application/service providers, internet research organisations), Secondly gather the demands from registries' side, Thirdly we need to interview the search engines and input methods companies to analyse the potential technical obstacles-- with the interests of a stakeholder group rather than one tld at a time, Last but not least, we should raise the awareness among the CIOs and CMOs in China through as many channels/methods as possible. The current obstacles for this China group to join the UA discuss are their working language (which is mainly Chinese) & the time difference. Nonetheless we still want to make more contribution to ICANN UA by helping the localization of any UA related document and sharing first-hand feedbacks from Chinese 'netizens' and internet service providers. Best Regards, Jin On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Tan Tanaka, Dennis <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>> wrote: Hi Jin, Perhaps I was not clearly enough in my note. I was referring to the fifth search result on the picture. Note that the URL is “xn—ebr05n.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2febr05n.com&…>” instead of ”墨刀.com”. The point is that the a-label should not be displayed to the end user. The application should have identified the label as an IDN and as such transformed it to Unicode. That didn’t happen here. On your other note, if you can elaborate a plan on how to engage these companies in China, that would be extremely welcome. Could we discuss your high level plan in two weeks from today? Thanks, Dennis From: Jin Wang [mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info>] Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 1:44 AM To: Tan Tanaka, Dennis Cc: ua-discuss; ua-international(a)icann.org<mailto:ua-international@icann.org>; yaojk; Brent London; Don Hollander; Mark Švančárek Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results Hi Gentelmen, I reckoned the term Dennis used is an IDN.com but all the BAIDU results just took the Chinese key words (the parts that were high-lighted in red)--- it barely has anything to do with domain name. It is really hard to come to the conclusion that BAIDU is supporting IDNs in their search engine. At present, Baidu is the leading search engine in China but there are still a handful companies providing similar services in China. Therefore, instead of having one or two experts talking to the companies one by one, I suggest we'd better make a combined effort to talk to a group of companies - search engines, mailbox service provider, input methods (for Chinese pinyin), and also some of the smartphone manufacturers. As most of them are competing locally rather than globally, it might works better to start within China, especially when some of the world's biggest player is in absence in China. I can voluntarily embark on finding out a viable communication channel so that we can have a dialog mechanism in the future. Best Regards, Jin On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Jiankang Yao <yaojk(a)cnnic.cn<mailto:yaojk@cnnic.cn>> wrote: I can help to talk to baidu and forward your message to them. ________________________________ Jiankang Yao From: Tan Tanaka, Dennis<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: 2015-11-24 05:45 To: UA-discuss(a)icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> CC: ua-international(a)icann.org<mailto:ua-international@icann.org> Subject: [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results Often times I hear that IDNs are not indexed by certain search engines. While I know this is not true, the example below doesn’t help my case either (at least not 100%). Here is an example where the IDN I’m looking for is showing up in the first 5 search results on Baidu (see picture below). However, the string is displayed as the punycode-encoded label instead of the corresponding Chinese IDN (i.e. xn--ebr05n.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fxn--ebr05n.…>) . Google and Yandex appear to work as expected. Bing didn’t display the domain name in the results (first two pages). Is there someone interested (and with the language skills) in taking the action item to reach out to Baidu? This might be in the form of opening a bug ticket to explain the problem (IDN is displayed as punycode-encoded label. Example: xn--ebr05.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fxn--ebr05.c…>) and what the expected result should have been (IDN displayed as Chinese domain nam. Example: 墨刀.com) [cid:image001.png@01D12780.A8E51E60] Dennis Tan Sr. Product Manager Naming Services DTanTanaka(a)Verisign.com<mailto:DTanTanaka@Verisign.com> m: 571-246-7303<tel:571-246-7303> t: 703-948-4197<tel:703-948-4197> 12061 Bluemont Way, Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.verisig…> [Verisign™] -- 王瑨中国区总经理 Mr. Jin Wang China General Manager 域通联达 [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/145935004/tld%20registry%20english%20lo…] 中文新顶级域名市场领航者 The Market-leading New Chinese Domains 北京 | 香港 | 赫尔辛基 | 纽约 | 奥斯汀 | 奥斯陆 Beijing | Hong Kong | Helsinki | New York | Austin | Oslo 移动电话: +86 159 0110 8743 电子邮件: jin.wang(a)internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info> -- 王瑨中国区总经理 Mr. Jin Wang China General Manager 域通联达 [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/145935004/tld%20registry%20english%20lo…] 中文新顶级域名市场领航者 The Market-leading New Chinese Domains 北京 | 香港 | 赫尔辛基 | 纽约 | 奥斯汀 | 奥斯陆 Beijing | Hong Kong | Helsinki | New York | Austin | Oslo 移动电话: +86 159 0110 8743 电子邮件: jin.wang(a)internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info> -- 王瑨中国区总经理 Mr. Jin Wang China General Manager 域通联达 [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/145935004/tld%20registry%20english%20lo…] 中文新顶级域名市场领航者 The Market-leading New Chinese Domains 北京 | 香港 | 赫尔辛基 | 纽约 | 奥斯汀 | 奥斯陆 Beijing | Hong Kong | Helsinki | New York | Austin | Oslo 移动电话: +86 159 0110 8743 电子邮件: jin.wang(a)internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info>

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FYI: This week's UA Coordination Group call, usually set for Wednesday's @ 23:00, has been cancelled.
by Don Hollander Nov. 25, 2015

Nov. 25, 2015

NB: The UA Coordination Group call is usually focused on administrative issues. All are welcome to attend and participate. Don

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Notes from UA M&M Call
by Don Hollander Nov. 24, 2015

Nov. 24, 2015

Please find attached the draft notes from yesterday’s UA M&M Call. Don

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Dynamic Coalition on Accessibility and Disability Discussion of My Proposal
by Ron Baione Nov. 23, 2015

Nov. 23, 2015

After taking UA's advice and bringing my wordbanks and celebrities for the visually impaired proposal to a group which was more interested in internet accessibility (not ICANN's one person, inactive accessibility group), the Dynamic Coalition for Accessibility and Disability, after a week or so of discussions, the following is my conclusive observation as I also sent to their group: "My argument on this matter, and on internet governance in general, is that ICANN, the IGF, MAG, ISOC, DCAD, AKIN, etc act like glorified travel agencies. But traveling does not equal leadership. Regardless of how a DC group conducts its democratic discussions on the maiking list, the Chair of a DC group should be spending the majority of time talking to the Secretariat or other higher ups at MAG, the IGF and the UN about gaining more funding, more legal representation, more of everything for the DC, zero time should be spent explaining to the group why something meaningful like the project I proposed cannot get accomplished. I'm no longer participating in this discussion or any subsequent discussion on this mailing list, so please, everyone go back to the new 21st century "pretend we are working" mindset where traveling is now the primary accomplishment of world leaders. The DC groups were only created by MAG so that the IGF would have something to gesture towards and say, "Look we are involved in 'progress', we are accomplishing, heck or dynamic coalitions traveled to a conference just last week and discussed important issues! But don't worry, the chair will get you a summary of our conference discussions soon!" There is a reason why the greatest technological accomplishments in the past 5 years have been driverless cars, drone technology and the apple IWatch, progress is stalled because people in power are saying to themselves, things are good the way they are but people always want more progress. To remedy that "human want for continuing progress", let's do our best to pretend we are progressing, and if anyone figures out the IG scheme to define an utter lack of progress as progress, we will just pretend they are crazy and kick them out of the mailing list or quiet them down somehow, then go back to the planning the next trip. As long as humanity sees the illusion of progress. the less humanity is likely to object to the lack of progress. That is what the G8, the G20 and every other world conference is all about, the illusion of progress for the poor and middle classes of the world to observe and say to themselves, hey that is real progress, they traveled and met and talked, that is progress. No it isn't, it is the maitenance of the status quo, because when you got millions or billions of dollars who really wants to spend any time on real progress when you can create the illusion of progress and spend the majority of time enjoying the good life. Ron"

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Notes from UA Discuss call on 2015-11-18
by Don Hollander Nov. 20, 2015

Nov. 20, 2015

Thanks to all those who participated in yesterday's (my time) call. Attached are the notes. Of particular attention: If you know someone who’s working on EAI, would you please let me and/or Brent know? Thanks. Don

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UA Plans for the next 3 months
by Ram Mohan Nov. 19, 2015

Nov. 19, 2015

Folks, It’s been a few weeks since the UA group met virtually and in person in Dublin, sustaining the momentum and drive that has made this effort an important and community supported initiative that is going from strength to strength. In the next few weeks, I will provide an update of the activities to date, and of the plans that we are making for the upcoming year. In 2016, the UA effort must move from effort to effect, and demonstrate the outcomes of the hard work of the many volunteers contributing. I’m updating my 2014 blog post on CircleID on Universal Acceptance [More Problems Crop Up With Universal Acceptance of Top Level Domains <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140207_more_problems_crop_up_universal_acce…>] – Christian Dawson has volunteered to help. *If you have data regarding problems or successes with UA in your TLD, please send me an email.* Brent London is making progress on the Technical topics, and Mark Svancarek is kicking off the metrics component. Rich Merdinger & Christian are focusing on outreach and communications efforts for 2016. Dennis Tan & Dusan Stojicevic are concentrating on the IDN and EAI pieces, an area that overlaps the work that Brent is doing. We are planning to kick off 2016 with a face to face meeting on January 14 and 15 in Washington DC, and will take up the kind offer from ICANN to host at their downtown DC offices. As is our norm, there will be an open conference bridge, and the meeting will be recorded. *Those who would like to attend in person should inform Don* cc’ing me about your intent to attend. The conference room in DC holds about 20 people comfortably, and 25 in a stretch. As you know, the work we are doing is not possible without your attention, energy and ability. We are grateful for the work you are already doing, and we need more of it in the year coming up. Regards, Ram Chair, UASG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ram Mohan Executive Vice President & CTO Afilias |Ireland|Canada|USA|India o: +1.215.706.5700 x103; m: +1.215.431.0958; f: +1.215.706.5701 Skype: gliderpilot30

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Hackathon @ ICANN55 - Update
by Don Hollander Nov. 18, 2015

Nov. 18, 2015

A quick update on the idea of a Hackathon @ ICANN55 Ram, Dennis & I had a call with folks at ICANN about a Hackathon @ ICANN55. We indicated that the UASG was not prepared to run a Hackathon there, but we would be happy to participate as one of the potential projects should ICANN want to pursue one. We provided some indicative information on costs and approaches used by AngelHack for their consideration. The ICANN folks are going to reconsider the idea with this information and will let us know if they decide to proceed. Don

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Update on Time...
by Don Hollander Nov. 18, 2015

Nov. 18, 2015

Dear all… Brent quite rightly noted that my time zone was wrong – again. It’s 23:00 UTC. I’m so sorry. Don

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