May 2017 - UA-discuss - lists.iana.org

FW: I-D Action: draft-klensin-idna-rfc5891bis-00.txt
by Mark Svancarek July 6, 2017

July 6, 2017

FYI, too much stuff from John for me to dig into this a.m. -----Original Message----- From: Idna-update [mailto:idna-update-bounces@alvestrand.no] On Behalf Of John C Klensin Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:25 AM To: idna-update(a)alvestrand.no Subject: FWD: I-D Action: draft-klensin-idna-rfc5891bis-00.txt Hi. For the information of those who may be watching this list but not the IETF announcement one... Asmus Freytag and I have started to put together a draft that addresses a problem with the IDNA2008 specs, specifically that we failed to make the responsibility of registries to define code point and label acceptability rules that were considerably more narrow (and better understood by them) than the full set of labels allowed by RFC 5891-5893. It doesn't actually change anything because that requirement is in the existing specs; it just makes (or tries to make) the requirements painfully clear to those who have been missing or misreading them. It also provides an explicit link between IDNA2008 requirements and ICANN work on repertoires and label generation rules without endorsing that work as more than one thoughtful approach that might be examined for either reference or inspiration. Comments (obviously) welcome. For anyone who might wonder, this document avoids the more controversial IDNA2008 issues including: * Multiple suggestions that we should add emoji, a subset of code points with General Category "So", to the list of code points allowed by IDNA. There are many reasons to not do that but it seems clear that, at some point, the IETF will need to either document those reasons or make the change. Volunteers to put together or work on a document would be welcome. * The non-decomposing code point problem, formerly (and incorrectly) known as the Hamza problem. There has been no discernable activity on this since the IAB Statement and LUCID BOF almost exactly two years ago. I've further updated the working copy of draft-klensin-idna-5892upd-unicode70 to cover additional cases and issues, but, in part because it is clearly inappropriate for a quick-patch individual submission, have been advised to not post it until we have a plan to make progress. So far, there is no such plan. * The (IMO, growing) problem of multiple and inconsistent specifications for IDNs and IDN handling, with different ones being used in different higher-level protocols and areas of the Internet. The use of different specifications and definitions creates opportunities for user and implementer confusion, interoperability difficulties, domain names that cannot be resolved under some circumstances, and various sorts of attacks. The specifications involved include IDNA2008, IDNA2003, assorted local "updates" to IDNA2003 that use versions of Stringprep locally updated to assorted versions of Unicode, and the various versions of UTR#46. The latest version of the latter explicitly allows emoji along with other symbols. A few months ago, I suggested to the IAB I18N program that a document be produced that at least pointed out the problems associated with multiple divergent specifications, but the idea got no traction. It appears to me that, although almost everyone agrees that IDNs, and well- and clearly-functional IDNs, are important, virtually no one is willing to do the hard work, at least unless they are being supported by ICANN (disclosure: I am not) or organizations whose interests lie in selling names, preferably as many of them as possible (I have no support from any of them either). Until and unless that changes, I don't see much prospect for getting those other issues addressed in a way that might lead to consensus documents. john ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Saturday, March 11, 2017 07:22 -0800 From: internet-drafts(a)ietf.org To: i-d-announce(a)ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-klensin-idna-rfc5891bis-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA): Registry Restrictions and Recommendations Authors : John C Klensin Asmus Freytag Filename : draft-klensin-idna-rfc5891bis-00.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2017-03-11 Abstract: The IDNA specifications for internationalized domain names combine rules that determine the labels that are allowed in the DNS without violating the protocol itself and an assignment of responsibility, consistent with earlier specifications, for determining the labels that are allowed in particular zones. Conformance to IDNA by registries and other implementations requires both parts. Experience strongly suggests that the language describing those responsibility was insufficiently clear to promote safe and interoperable use of the specifications and that more details and some specific examples would have been helpful. This specification updates the earlier ones to provide that guidance and to correct some technical errors in the descriptions. It does not alter the protocols and rules themselves in any way. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klensin-idna-rfc5891bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-klensin-idna-rfc5891bis-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce(a)ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- _______________________________________________ Idna-update mailing list Idna-update(a)alvestrand.no http://www.alvestrand.no/mailman/listinfo/idna-update

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SAC095 - SSAC Advisory on the Use of Emoji in Domain
by Don Hollander June 1, 2017

June 1, 2017

FYI https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-095-en.pdf

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UA Materials for Domains for Marketers Event
by Miguel Ignacio Estrada May 31, 2017

May 31, 2017

Dear all, I am organizing an exclusive event in Argentina, together with ICANN, just for people from Communications and Marketing. The event is the first step of a regional strategy on awareness on the new gTLDs. The idea is to target both digital strategy advisors and final users with different sort of actions (events, media etc.) funded by interested Registries, Registrars and Resellers. I was wondering how we could address UA issues for this audience (comms and mktg), I thought maybe we could show them some cases from around the world. In that case, does anyone of the group has any list to share? And also, which UA materials do you think we could share with the audience? For more information on the event and strategy: http://dfm.lat Thanks in advance for your help. -- Nacho Estrada | @acmuzic <http://twitter.com/acmuzic>

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Re : HTTPS Certificates in IDNs
by deepak May 28, 2017

May 28, 2017

Hi,please check https://मेल.डाटामेल.भारत/RegardsDeepak Singhal From: Don Hollander MailId : [69457913]To: "ua-discuss(a)icann.org" Subject: [UA-discuss] HTTPS Certificates in IDNsDate: 24 May 2017 02:31:27 PM Does anyone have any experience in getting certificates for an IDN address? If you have one, can you please send me a URL that we can use for a quick test? Ideally: Chinese.chinese (we want to est an open dot) Arabic.arabic Somethingelse.somethingelse Thanks in advance. Do not Remove:[HID]20170524143125399[-HID] [XGENFOOTER] [-XGENFOOTER]

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Re: [UA-discuss] Feedback from GDD summit
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Thanks Michele. I believe you are correct. -Dennis From: Michele Blacknight <michele(a)blacknight.com> Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 5:07 AM To: Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com>, "UA-discuss(a)icann.org" <ua-discuss(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-discuss] Feedback from GDD summit Dennis I think the numbers we got there suggested that to date there had only been about a dozen issues logged .. Another data point ☺ Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: <ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss(a)icann.org> Reply-To: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Tuesday 16 May 2017 at 22:23 To: "ua-discuss(a)icann.org" <ua-discuss(a)icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] Feedback from GDD summit Don, During the GDD Summit in Madrid a small group broke out to talk about Universal Acceptance. We mainly talked about the Issue Logging tool and its usage rate. Jothan Frakes did a good job advertising it among the audience. There was one gentleman asking whether the Issue Logging Tool was available in other languages, to which the answer was no. He said that the tool being in English was a constraint. I’m not suggesting the UASG should spend time and resources localizing its website. Use it as a data point. -Dennis

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Re: [UA-discuss] Feedback from GDD summit
by Michele Neylon - Blacknight May 26, 2017

May 26, 2017

Dennis I think the numbers we got there suggested that to date there had only been about a dozen issues logged .. Another data point ☺ Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: <ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss(a)icann.org> Reply-To: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com> Date: Tuesday 16 May 2017 at 22:23 To: "ua-discuss(a)icann.org" <ua-discuss(a)icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] Feedback from GDD summit Don, During the GDD Summit in Madrid a small group broke out to talk about Universal Acceptance. We mainly talked about the Issue Logging tool and its usage rate. Jothan Frakes did a good job advertising it among the audience. There was one gentleman asking whether the Issue Logging Tool was available in other languages, to which the answer was no. He said that the tool being in English was a constraint. I’m not suggesting the UASG should spend time and resources localizing its website. Use it as a data point. -Dennis

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HTTPS Certificates in IDNs
by Don Hollander May 24, 2017

May 24, 2017

Does anyone have any experience in getting certificates for an IDN address? If you have one, can you please send me a URL that we can use for a quick test? Ideally: Chinese.chinese (we want to est an open dot) Arabic.arabic Somethingelse.somethingelse Thanks in advance.

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.arab & .عرب
by Andre Schappo May 24, 2017

May 24, 2017

New gTLDs .عرب and .arab are now live http://nic.عرب http://nic.arab André Schappo

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AUTO: Ahmed Bakhat Masood is out of the office. (returning 05/25/2017)
by Ahmed Bakhat Masood May 23, 2017

May 23, 2017

I am out of the office until 05/25/2017. I will not be able to respond to your mail. For urgent queries, please contact Mr. Shageel Ahmed Dy Director (ICT) at shargeel(a)pta.gov.pk or Mr. Anwar Zeb IT Officer at anwar(a)pta.gov.pk Note: This is an automated response to your message "UA-discuss Digest, Vol 29, Issue 14" sent on 05/23/2017 5:00:05 PM. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away.

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UA101 - Introduction to Universal Acceptance - Published on LinkedIN
by Don Hollander May 23, 2017

May 23, 2017

G’day: I’ve published the UA101 article on my LinkedIn page. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/making-new-internet-domains-work-everyone-do… If you read it, like it, and share it, the profile of Universal Acceptance will be raised. Even more so if you get your colleagues to do the same. We’re recently started publishing our UA102 (introduction to EAI). I’ll put that on Linked in next month. Don

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