April 2017 - UA-discuss - lists.iana.org

Re: [UA-discuss] IDN Implementation Guidelines [RE: Re : And now about phishing...]
by nalini.elkins＠insidethestack.com April 21, 2017

April 21, 2017

Edmon, > it is hardly an issue statistically I am certainly in agreement in not living in a fact-free world. So, I am collecting data on such sites. I am in the process of setting up a server to monitor 24 x 7 with a homographic domain finder product that we have written. I can tell you from my initial testing that there are a surprising number. Currently, they appear to be for domains which are known world-wide. More as it happens... Thanks, Nalini Elkins CEO and Founder Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/21/17, Edmon Chung <edmon(a)registry.asia> wrote: Subject: [UA-discuss] IDN Implementation Guidelines [RE: Re : And now about phishing...] To: "'Vittorio Bertola'" <vittorio.bertola(a)open-xchange.com>, ua-discuss(a)icann.org, "'Asmus Freytag'" <asmusf(a)ix.netcom.com> Date: Friday, April 21, 2017, 3:15 AM Starting a separate thread to focus on the IDN Implementation Guidelines Discussion. For the Draft IDN Guidelines you pointed to, please do submit your comments into the still open public comments period (recently extended):https://www.icann.org/public-comments/idn-guidelines-2017-03-03-en To the specific issue of wholescript confusables, there is a further explanation in point 17 why the current recommendation is a "may" rather than a "must"... But if we feel strongly it should move to a must, please do submit your comments in. As for our work at UASG, I feel that it is probably a good idea to collect the counter arguments. I recall there was a phishing/security report a couple years ago that highlighted the issue and indicated that while this (used to be "paypal" example), is possible it is hardly an issue statistically. Does anyone have that report/link? Edmon From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Vittorio Bertola Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 17:04 PM To: ua-discuss(a)icann.org; Asmus Freytag <asmusf(a)ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Re : And now about phishing... Il 21 aprile 2017 alle 0.52 Asmus Freytag <asmusf(a)ix.netcom.com> ha scritto: If you think about it, the following recommendation at the end is anathema to "Universal acceptance":"Zheng is encouraging Firefox users to limit their exposure to the bug by going to the browser’s about:config settings and setting network.IDN_show_punycode to true. By doing this Firefox will always display IDN domains in its Punycode form, something that should make it easier to identify malicious domains, the researcher claims."If you do that, you implicitly assume that only the "non-IDN" links are "real", in other words, you assume an English-only environment. (When stuff is displayed as punicode, you usually can't tell what domain it is, except you can guess for some European ones with very few special characters, but you can't be sure unless the Unicode form is at least also displayed, which I think is not what that config change means).Hello,excuse me if I jump into a discussion having just joined the list, but this issue is really troubling me for at least two reasons.First, many news sources are now filling up with calls and guides for disabling IDNs in browsers altogether, which is a death call for universal acceptance. It all started with this horrible post by Wordfence's CEO, basically equating IDNs to an instrument conceived for phishing:https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/04/chrome-firefox-unicode-phis… would be really good if anyone knew him and could have a chat with him, maybe even convince him to help spreading a better view of the issue.Secondly, browser makers are now reacting in opposite ways:1) Microsoft's browser (AFAIK) will enable or disable the display of Unicode in the URL bar depending on the operating system's language;2) Google's browser, with a newly released patch, will not display Unicode IDNs in ASCII TLDs if the IDNs are whole-script confusables ( https://codereview.chromium.org/2683793010 );3) Mozilla's browser will explicitly always display Unicode IDNs regardless of whether this may be used for phishing ( https://wiki.mozilla.org/IDN_Display_Algorithm_FAQ and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332714 ). However, multiple online sources are now advising people to use a Firefox configuration option that allows to disable the display of IDNs altogether.(Don't know about Apple, Opera and others.)As you see, this is going to hamper the usability of IDNs in URLs and, even worse, make it entirely unpredictable, depending on the user's browser choice.The only real solution to this is that all registries treat whole script confusables as variants, so that they cannot be registered to anyone different than the owner of the equivalent ASCII domain. Unicode TR-39 allows to do this programmatically. However, I just checked the proposed draft IDN guidelines that are currently undergoing public consultation at ICANN:https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-idn-guidelines-03ma… point 16, they say that the registry "may" do this, but that should really be a "must". If this does not happen, there will be more of these situations and the risk that all the Western world will then disable IDNs in URLs for good is quite significant. I think that this group could do several useful things:a) promote a better public understanding of the issue, countering the trend that "IDN URLs are for phishing";b) encourage browser makers to elaborate a common approach;c) push for ICANN and the registries to free the Internet from whole-script confusables.Regards,-- Vittorio Bertola Research & Innovation Engineer Cell:+39 348 7015022Skype:in-skype-ox@bertola.euEmail:vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com Twitter: @openexchange - Facebook: OpenXchange - Web: www.open-xchange.comOpen-Xchange AG, Rollnerstr. 14, 90408 Nuremberg, District Court Nuremberg HRB 24738 Managing Board: Rafael Laguna de la Vera, Carsten Dirks, Uwe Reumuth Chairman of the Board: Richard Seibt European Office: Open-Xchange GmbH, Olper Huette 5f, D-57462 Olpe, Germany, District Court Siegen, HRB 8718 Managing Directors: Frank Hoberg, Martin Kauss US Office: Open-Xchange. 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UASG - Linkification Review
by Don Hollander April 21, 2017

April 21, 2017

Thank you for those who have responded to the recent Doodle Poll on availability. The time with most people available is the time of this call. Please review these documents before the meeting. Quick Guide to Linkification<https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/56990805/UASG010%20Quick%2…> Linkification in UASG007 <https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/UASG007-version-9-2017-02-02.p…> Help Wanted Ad - Evaluation <https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Help-Wanted...-Linkification-E…> Thank you. Don

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UASG @ ICANN59 meeting - Johannesburg
by Don Hollander April 20, 2017

April 20, 2017

Please note for planning purposes, that the UASG is NOT planning any activities at the ICANN meeting in Johannesburg. This is a short meeting and very policy focused. We are planning on participating in the ICANN60 meeting in Abu Dhabi. Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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Re : And now about phishing...
by deepak April 19, 2017

April 19, 2017

Hi, thanks for sharing this phishing technique . but it can be handle easily in email server . RegardsDeepak Singhal From: "Dusan Stojicevic" MailId : [68261406]To: "ua-discuss" Subject: [UA-discuss] And now about phishing...Date: 19 Apr 2017 12:24:34 AM Interesting and possible> https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/04/chrome-firefox-unicode-phishing/ Cheers, Dusan Virus-free. www.avast.com Do not Remove:[HID]20170419002433157[-HID] [XGENFOOTER] [-XGENFOOTER]

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Re: [UA-discuss] UA-discuss Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12
by Harish Chowdhary April 19, 2017

April 19, 2017

Thanks a lot for this information.Thanks,Harish Chowdhary From: ua-discuss-request(a)icann.orgSent: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 17:30:17 GMT+0530To: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: UA-discuss Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12Send UA-discuss mailing list submissions to   ua-discuss(a)icann.orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit   https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discussor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to   ua-discuss-request(a)icann.orgYou can reach the person managing the list at   ua-discuss-owner(a)icann.orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of UA-discuss digest..."Today's Topics:  1. And now about phishing... (Dusan Stojicevic)  2. Re: And now about phishing... (Richard Merdinger)  3. Re: [Ext] RE: UASG White Paper: EOW Report (Mark Svancarek)  4. Linkification Documentation Review (Don Hollander)&nbsp ; 5. Re :  And now about phishing... (deepak)  6. Re: Re : And now about phishing... (Satish Babu)  7. Re :  And now about phishing... (deepak)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 20:53:34 +0200From: "Dusan Stojicevic" <dusan(a)dukes.in.rs>To: "'ua-discuss'" <UA-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] And now about phishing...Message-ID: <087301d2b875$19a0d1e0$4ce275a0$(a)dukes.in.rs>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Interesting and possible>https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/04/chrome-firefox-unicode-p… email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.https://www.avast.com/antivirus-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170418/fb61a1ac/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Mes sage: 2Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:45:30 +0000From: Richard Merdinger <rmerdinger(a)godaddy.com>To: Dusan Stojicevic <dusan(a)dukes.in.rs>, 'ua-discuss'   <UA-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] And now about phishing...Message-ID: <6780E9BE-EBC2-4990-98F6-B56BBC890EE2(a)godaddy.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Thanks for sharing Dusan.  Pretty much underscores the how an edge case can put the reputation of the good actors at risk?Richard MerdingerVP, Domains - GoDaddyFrom: <ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Dusan Stojicevic <dusan(a)dukes.in.rs>Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 at 1:53 PMTo: 'ua-discuss' <UA-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] And now about phishing...Interesting and possible>https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/04/chrome-firefox-unicode-p… https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&ut…. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_s… next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170418/b7109f70/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 3Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 21:47:09 +0000From: Mark Svancarek <marksv(a)microsoft.com>To: Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org>, "ua-discuss@icann.org"   <ua-discuss@icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [Ext] RE: UASG White Paper: EOW ReportMessage-ID:   <MWHPR21MB07030889BBF729F5ADFF36DAD1190@MWHPR21MB0703.namprd21.prod.outlook.com>   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8&quo t;Very exciting!  It?s great to see the uptake.From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Don HollanderSent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 12:26 AMTo: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: [UA-discuss] FW: [Ext] RE: UASG White Paper: EOW ReportFYI:  Here?s the summary of the media coverage of the launch of the UASG White Paper.In case you haven?t seen it, The Whitepaper, blogpost and media release can be found https://uasg.tech/whitepaper/Please feel free to share this through your own local media office (you might want to append an introduction showing your relationship to the project) and on social media.Don[CANN]UASG White Paper Announcement: End of Week Report14 April 2017SummaryAs we close out launch week, we?ve seen 27 pieces of coverage globally (Australia, India, Italy, Jordan, Nigeria, Russia, UAE, UK and US), including a piece that was just published today in Bloomberg BNA[bna.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A __www.bna.com_software-2Dupdates-2Dnet-2Dn57982086711_&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=KfxQMiwY9tCKuCiwySyBpwVfzRivckHGNYNZxuwTopg&e=>, a top business publication in the U.S, as well as a hit in Gadgets Now[gadgetsnow.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__…, the technology destination of The Times of India. (If you would like to listen to Ram?s interview with the reporter Kim Aora, you can do so by clicking here[dropbox.com]<https://urldefen se.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.dropbox.com_s_aik52yb5iocpm3q_Ram-… expect additional coverage to be forthcoming over the next several days and weeks. We?re continuing to work with the reporter from MIT Technology Review, who expressed interest in writing. A recent Q&A interview with CNews Russia and ICANN?s Michael Yakushev, VP Stakeholder Engagement for Eastern Europe and Central Asia should also be published in the near future.Additionally, we are continuing to follow up with WSJ CIO Journal as a warm lead, as well as other target publications. The white paper provides a solid proof point with which the teams can continue to have ongoing conversations with press.Finally, the press release was picked up 127 times, reach ing an estimated audience of nearly 7.3 million (full Marketwired report attached for reference).The full coverage citation list is below, as well as a social snapshot.Coverage Citation ListU.S.NEW Bloomberg BNASoftware Updates for Net Domains Could Spur $9.8B in Revenue[bna.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ww… April 2017NEW Washington Internet DailyUniversal Acceptance of Internationalized Domains is Economic Opportunity, Steering Group Says[gallery.mailchimp.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=h… omic-5FOpportunity-5FSteering-5FGroup-5FSays.pdf&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=oRlsNA2YIJJxv8bBTSnowFAJD_Zx5F0O-DAe__jiILM&e=>12 April 2017Quartz17 million people have no reason to join the internet because it?s dominated by English[qz.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__qz.… April 2017CircleIDStudy Finds $9.8B Opportunity In Universal Acceptance of All New Generic and Internationalized TLDs[circleid.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__w… d.com_posts_20170411-5Fstudy-5Ffinds-5Fover-5F9b-5Fopportunity-5Fin-5Funiversal-5Facceptance-5Fof-5Ftlds_&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=ySZqGFg1s6QWFv86BVDUnQoZHqP27l1nGyJrDT8b1G4&e=>11 April 2017EMEAITALYNEW WIRED ItalyWhen the Internet is in English only, 17 million people cannot use it[wired.it]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.wi… (picked up from Quartz; headline has been translated)11 April 2017JORDANNEW Addustour$ 9.8 billion investment is expected in the size ranges online[addustour.co m]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.addustour.com… (headline has been translated)13 April 2017NIGERIANEW Nigeria Communications WeekNew Study Shows Domain Names Worth $9.8Bn Opportunity[nigeriacommunicationsweek.com.ng]<https://urldefense.proofpo… 8bn-2Dopportunity&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=SC9Sg3WRK2fy5WJnj97mH_LTfN8h9KGCoWI9Xfi1S7c&e=>13 April 2017RUSSIA**All headlines have been translated; all press release pick-up is the result of direct pitchingNEW CONNECTCOMPANIES AROUND THE WORLD ALONE 10 BILLION DOLLARS[connect-wit.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-… PC MagazineWhat will give universal acceptance of Internet domains?[ru.pcmag.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2 /url?u=http-3A__ru.pcmag.com_news_30814_chto-2Ddast-2Duniversalnoe-2Dpriniatie-2Dinternet-2Ddomenov&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=5SlsyvKrrPtw8pSXm-tgEHbxbhbbbcjv65oPSLsq_Ig&e=>NEW IT-Weekly.ru$ 10 billion of losses due to imperfections in Internet systems[it-weekly.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A… April 2017NEW AV-Tribune.ruCompanies around the world are losing 10 billion dollars because of the imperfection of their Internet systems.[av-tribune.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-… news-2Dtechnologii_8197-2Dkompanii-2Dvo-2Dvsem-2Dmire-2Dnedopoluchayut-2D10-2Dmlrd-2Ddollarov-2Diz-2Dza-2Dnesovershenstva-2Dsvoikh-2Dinternet-2Dsistem.html&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=bd_alrtFyWs_LvvxNZD7ttxpJYbZm9sXbxvrJRZlnIA&e=>12 April 2017NEW ICT-OnlineCompanies around the world are losing almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfection of their Internet systems[ict-online.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3… April 2017NEW MobilecommImperfections Internet systems. Price - $ 10 billion[mobilecomm.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3… comm.ru_nesovershenstva-2Dinternet-2Dsistem-2Dtsena-2D10-2D000-2D000-2D000&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=wz03LoBKYwbxjWxZQDk7FqIv-3FXKmgRqblIifUgoWU&e=>12 April 2017NEW Mobile TelecommunicationsImperfections of Internet systems. The price is $ 10,000,000,000[mobilecomm.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u… April 2017NEW SpbIT.ruCompanies around the world are losing almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfection of their Internet systems[spbit.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__sp… 42128_&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=wCOWLaTjkpXwYuRzA0rHhT0hJh9ICqG5B2CtmtJve28&e=>12 April 2017NEW Astera.ruA simple update of websites could increase online revenue by $ 3.6 billion a year as a result of universal acceptance[astera.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A… April 2017NEW CNewsAnalysys Mason: the company loses almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfections of Internet systems[internet.cnews.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=ht… mp;d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=yftWauzGwVFoRcDlwQCelXFXKrNSEvOZ0cll-MdixPY&e=>11 April 2017NEW CRNCompanies around the world are losing almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfection of their Internet systems[crn.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www… April 2017NEW IKSCompanies suffer huge losses due to imperfections in Internet systems[iksmedia.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A_… LvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=k1M0nKGC3tkFlSh8K52EnR8GTwKqH6KS-hpCMSG8AbQ&e=> (Press release pick up)11 April 2017NEW ITRN.ruCompanies around the world are losing almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfection of their Internet systems[itrn.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ww… April 2017NEW PCWEEKAnalysys Mason: the company loses almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfections of Internet systems [pcweek.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.pcwe… p;m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=Sa0CuwZAb7MfefyFOKX1gHD9tHs9L1-cLtI3tXQM5P0&e=>11 April 2017NEW RusbaseCompanies around the world do not receive nearly $ 10 billion due to imperfections in their Internet systems[rb.ru]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rb.ru… April 2017UAENEW Zawya$ 9.8 Billion Investment Is Expected In The Ranges Of Size Of The Internet[zawya.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__… 25D8-25A7-25D9-2584-25D9-2585-25D8-25AA-25D9-2588-25D9-2582-25D8-25B9-5F-25D9-2581-25D9-258A-5F-25D9-2586-2525D&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=LeqOUtDPMSnCCJdkVXRRkZyFLBe72R4nf2eZRCQlhe4&e=> (headline has been translated)13 April 2017UKNEW Domain PulseTruly Multilingual Internet Could Mean $9.8 Billion Growth Opportunity: Report[domainpulse.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-… April 2017Domain InciteCompanies losing $10 BILLION by ignoring new gTLDs ? report[domainincite.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoin t.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__domainincite.com_21682-2Dcompanies-2Dlosing-2D10-2Dbillion-2Dby-2Dignoring-2Dnew-2Dgtlds-2Dreport&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=whH8xMsCvvWOJrH3v7DxlRitg_INlNERIWWnR1TqruY&s=CgcdMLJWrNYTegNOhOiDFbEHO9IcZpCNlxyqDK6AEVI&e=>11 April 2017APACAUSTRALIANEW Goldstein Report (also included in newsletter)Truly Multilingual Internet Could Mean $9.8 Billion Growth Opportunity: Report[goldsteinreport.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=h… April 2017INDIANEW Times of India: Gadgets NowRevenue of $9.8 billion possible from 100% acceptance of new domain names: Study[gadgetsnow.co m]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.gadgetsnow.co… April 2017Social by the NumbersTwitter: *   #Internet4All has reached 129,997 accounts and generated 143,373 impressions throughout the week *   We?ve seen original tweets from Quartz[twitter.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A_…, Domain Incite [twitter.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitte…, Analysys Mason[twitter.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__…, ICANN[twitter.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__… 2dLbJbt0hkHE6yv1fplRcKzSothDIjX4X4vEqri7g&e=>, Ram Mohan[twitter.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__… and others *   #Internet4All traffic has seen 16 tweets, 13 retweets and 23 likesHighlights:[cid:image003.png@01D2B852.A5FE9640][cid:image004.png@01D2B852.A5FE9640][cid:image005.png@01D2B852.A5FE9640]LinkedIn: *   Analysys Mason[linkedin.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A_… shared the report on its account, resulting in 2 likesFacebook: *   Quartz?s post[facebook.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__…, ?The web has an inclusion problem,? has generated two comments, 31 reactions and three shares *   Domain Incite?s post[facebook.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__… generated three comments, two reactions and one share (As is sometimes typical with Domain In cite readers, some commenters expressed skepticism.)?????????Collin Elizabeth RobertsSenior Account Supervisor   |   Edelman Seattle[edelman.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A_…: 206.664.7839    m: 206.227.3439-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170418/3879ca34/attachment-0001.html>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: image001.jpgType: image/jpegSize: 3572 bytesDesc: image001.jpgURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170418/3879ca34/image001-0001.jpg>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name : image002.jpgType: image/jpegSize: 2565 bytesDesc: image002.jpgURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170418/3879ca34/image002-0001.jpg>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: image003.pngType: image/pngSize: 139191 bytesDesc: image003.pngURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170418/3879ca34/image003-0001.png>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: image004.pngType: image/pngSize: 126246 bytesDesc: image004.pngURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170418/3879ca34/image004-0001.png>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: image005.pngType: image/pngSize: 55680 bytesDesc: image005.pngURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170418/3879ca34/image005-0001.png>------------------------------Message: 4Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:25:54 +0000From: Don Hollande r <don.hollander(a)icann.org>To: ua-discuss <UA-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] Linkification Documentation ReviewMessage-ID: <12A003A2-4178-48D1-88BD-54CB4B38F2DD(a)icann.org>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Dear all?Following the UASG Face-to-Face meeting in Redmond last week, we?ll be doing a review of the UASG Quick Guide to Linkification.To find a time that works for those who want to participate, I?ve created a Doodle Poll.  I?ll look at the results this Friday (NZ time) and choose the most popular time for the call.https://doodle.com/poll/aq46x883kg3pszym <https://doodle.com/poll/aq46x883kg3pszym>Options are:  April 25 or 26 @ 02:00, 03:00, 04:00 UTCAgenda:Quick Guide to LinkificationLinkification in UASG007Help Wanted Ad - EvaluationDon HollanderUniversal Acceptance Steering GroupSkype: don_hollander-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss /attachments/20170418/b1dec727/attachment-0001.html>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: smime.p7sType: application/pkcs7-signatureSize: 3869 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170418/b1dec727/smime-0001.p7s>------------------------------Message: 5Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:23:27 +0530 (IST)From: deepak <deepak.singhal(a)dil.in>To: `dusan stojicevic` <dusan(a)dukes.in.rs>, `ua-discuss`   <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] Re :  And now about phishing...Message-ID:   <794102466.216711492577610334.JavaMail.root@mx2.datainfosys.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Hi,    thanks for sharing this phishing technique . but it can be handle easily in email server .  RegardsDeepak SinghalFrom: "Dusan Stojicevic"   MailId : [68261406]To: "ua-discuss" Subject: [UA-dis cuss] And now about phishing...Date: 19 Apr 2017 12:24:34 AMInteresting and possible>https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/04/chrome-firefox-unicode-p…. www.avast.comDo not Remove:[HID]20170419002433157[-HID][XGENFOOTER][-XGENFOOTER]-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170419/e11a9576/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 6Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:36:58 +0530From: Satish Babu <sb(a)inapp.com>To: deepak <deepak.singhal(a)dil.in>Cc: `ua-discuss` <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Re : And now about phishing...Message-ID:   <CAA8UJvBTZvOeHb2k-JLNgFuCA_cvMV5YMhiEsKqTzb14aya9tQ@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"A different, but related, security risk is malicious homoglyphs in sourcecode. In languages like Go (which directly supports Unicode strings), thesource code could contain confusable strings leading to exploits (forinstance, substituting a legitimate code library with a malicious one thathas a look-alike name).Here is a library in Go that does source-code scans for confusables:https://github.com/NebulousLabs/glyphchecksatishOn Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM, deepak <deepak.singhal(a)dil.in> wrote:> Hi,>>     thanks for sharing this phishing technique . but it can be handle> easily in email server .>> Regards> Deepak Singhal>>>>> ------------------------------> *From:* "Dusan Stojicevic" <dusan(a)dukes.in.rs>  MailId : [68261406]> *To:* "ua-discuss" <UA-discuss(a)icann.org>> *Subject: *[UA-discuss] And now about phishing...> *Date:* 19 Apr 2017 12:24:34 AM>> Interesting and possible>>> https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/04/chrome-firefox-unicode-phishing/>… Cheers,>> Dusan>>> <h ttps://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm… Virus-free.> www.avast.com> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>> Do not Remove:> [HID]20170419002433157[-HID]>> [XGENFOOTER]>> [-XGENFOOTER]>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170419/1df9d4e7/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 7Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 11:03:32 +0530 (IST)From: deepak <deepak.singhal(a)dil.in>To: `dusan stojicevic` <dusan(a)dukes.in.rs>, `ua-discuss`   <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] Re :  And now about phishing...Message-ID:   <1365597833.224571492580015158.JavaMail.root@mx2.datainfosys.com>Co ntent-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Hi,       These are  homoglyph character  http://homoglyphs.net/   which can be use in phishing ..RegardsDeepak SinghalFrom: "Dusan Stojicevic"   MailId : [68261406]To: "ua-discuss" Subject: [UA-discuss] And now about phishing...Date: 19 Apr 2017 12:24:34 AMInteresting and possible>https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/04/chrome-firefox-unicode-p…. www.avast.comDo not Remove:[HID]20170419002433157[-HID][XGENFOOTER][-XGENFOOTER]-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20170419/8ca57f24/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------_______________________________________________UA-discuss mailing listUA-discuss@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discussEnd of UA-discuss Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12**************************************** ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [NIXI is on Social-Media too. 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Linkification Documentation Review
by Don Hollander April 18, 2017

April 18, 2017

Dear all… Following the UASG Face-to-Face meeting in Redmond last week, we’ll be doing a review of the UASG Quick Guide to Linkification. To find a time that works for those who want to participate, I’ve created a Doodle Poll. I’ll look at the results this Friday (NZ time) and choose the most popular time for the call. https://doodle.com/poll/aq46x883kg3pszym <https://doodle.com/poll/aq46x883kg3pszym> Options are: April 25 or 26 @ 02:00, 03:00, 04:00 UTC Agenda: Quick Guide to Linkification Linkification in UASG007 Help Wanted Ad - Evaluation Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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FW: [Ext] RE: UASG White Paper: EOW Report
by Don Hollander April 18, 2017

April 18, 2017

FYI: Here’s the summary of the media coverage of the launch of the UASG White Paper. In case you haven’t seen it, The Whitepaper, blogpost and media release can be found https://uasg.tech/whitepaper/ Please feel free to share this through your own local media office (you might want to append an introduction showing your relationship to the project) and on social media. Don UASG White Paper Announcement: End of Week Report 14 April 2017 Summary As we close out launch week, we’ve seen 27 pieces of coverage globally (Australia, India, Italy, Jordan, Nigeria, Russia, UAE, UK and US), including a piece that was just published today in Bloomberg BNA[bna.com], a top business publication in the U.S, as well as a hit in Gadgets Now[gadgetsnow.com], the technology destination of The Times of India. (If you would like to listen to Ram’s interview with the reporter Kim Aora, you can do so by clicking here[dropbox.com].) We expect additional coverage to be forthcoming over the next several days and weeks. We’re continuing to work with the reporter from MIT Technology Review, who expressed interest in writing. A recent Q&A interview with CNews Russia and ICANN’s Michael Yakushev, VP Stakeholder Engagement for Eastern Europe and Central Asia should also be published in the near future. Additionally, we are continuing to follow up with WSJ CIO Journal as a warm lead, as well as other target publications. The white paper provides a solid proof point with which the teams can continue to have ongoing conversations with press. Finally, the press release was picked up 127 times, reaching an estimated audience of nearly 7.3 million (full Marketwired report attached for reference). The full coverage citation list is below, as well as a social snapshot. Coverage Citation List U.S. NEW Bloomberg BNA Software Updates for Net Domains Could Spur $9.8B in Revenue[bna.com] 14 April 2017 NEW Washington Internet Daily Universal Acceptance of Internationalized Domains is Economic Opportunity, Steering Group Says[gallery.mailchimp.com] 12 April 2017 Quartz 17 million people have no reason to join the internet because it’s dominated by English[qz.com] 11 April 2017 CircleID Study Finds $9.8B Opportunity In Universal Acceptance of All New Generic and Internationalized TLDs[circleid.com] 11 April 2017 EMEA ITALY NEW WIRED Italy When the Internet is in English only, 17 million people cannot use it[wired.it] (picked up from Quartz; headline has been translated) 11 April 2017 JORDAN NEW Addustour $ 9.8 billion investment is expected in the size ranges online[addustour.com] (headline has been translated) 13 April 2017 NIGERIA NEW Nigeria Communications Week New Study Shows Domain Names Worth $9.8Bn Opportunity[nigeriacommunicationsweek.com.ng] 13 April 2017 RUSSIA* *All headlines have been translated; all press release pick-up is the result of direct pitching NEW CONNECT COMPANIES AROUND THE WORLD ALONE 10 BILLION DOLLARS[connect-wit.ru] NEW PC Magazine What will give universal acceptance of Internet domains?[ru.pcmag.com] NEW IT-Weekly.ru $ 10 billion of losses due to imperfections in Internet systems[it-weekly.ru] 13 April 2017 NEW AV-Tribune.ru Companies around the world are losing 10 billion dollars because of the imperfection of their Internet systems.[av-tribune.ru] 12 April 2017 NEW ICT-Online Companies around the world are losing almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfection of their Internet systems[ict-online.ru] 12 April 2017 NEW Mobilecomm Imperfections Internet systems. Price - $ 10 billion[mobilecomm.ru] 12 April 2017 NEW Mobile Telecommunications Imperfections of Internet systems. The price is $ 10,000,000,000[mobilecomm.ru] 12 April 2017 NEW SpbIT.ru Companies around the world are losing almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfection of their Internet systems[spbit.ru] 12 April 2017 NEW Astera.ru A simple update of websites could increase online revenue by $ 3.6 billion a year as a result of universal acceptance[astera.ru] 11 April 2017 NEW CNews Analysys Mason: the company loses almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfections of Internet systems[internet.cnews.ru] 11 April 2017 NEW CRN Companies around the world are losing almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfection of their Internet systems[crn.ru] 11 April 2017 NEW IKS Companies suffer huge losses due to imperfections in Internet systems[iksmedia.ru] (Press release pick up) 11 April 2017 NEW ITRN.ru Companies around the world are losing almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfection of their Internet systems[itrn.ru] 11 April 2017 NEW PCWEEK Analysys Mason: the company loses almost $ 10 billion due to the imperfections of Internet systems [pcweek.ru] 11 April 2017 NEW Rusbase Companies around the world do not receive nearly $ 10 billion due to imperfections in their Internet systems[rb.ru] 11 April 2017 UAE NEW Zawya $ 9.8 Billion Investment Is Expected In The Ranges Of Size Of The Internet[zawya.com] (headline has been translated) 13 April 2017 UK NEW Domain Pulse Truly Multilingual Internet Could Mean $9.8 Billion Growth Opportunity: Report[domainpulse.com] 12 April 2017 Domain Incite Companies losing $10 BILLION by ignoring new gTLDs — report[domainincite.com] 11 April 2017 APAC AUSTRALIA NEW Goldstein Report (also included in newsletter) Truly Multilingual Internet Could Mean $9.8 Billion Growth Opportunity: Report[goldsteinreport.com] 12 April 2017 INDIA NEW Times of India: Gadgets Now Revenue of $9.8 billion possible from 100% acceptance of new domain names: Study[gadgetsnow.com] 12 April 2017 Social by the Numbers Twitter: #Internet4All has reached 129,997 accounts and generated 143,373 impressions throughout the week We’ve seen original tweets from Quartz[twitter.com], Domain Incite[twitter.com], Analysys Mason[twitter.com], ICANN[twitter.com], Ram Mohan[twitter.com] and others #Internet4All traffic has seen 16 tweets, 13 retweets and 23 likes Highlights: LinkedIn: Analysys Mason[linkedin.com] shared the report on its account, resulting in 2 likes Facebook: Quartz’s post[facebook.com], ‘The web has an inclusion problem,’ has generated two comments, 31 reactions and three shares Domain Incite’s post[facebook.com] generated three comments, two reactions and one share (As is sometimes typical with Domain Incite readers, some commenters expressed skepticism.) ••••••••• Collin Elizabeth Roberts Senior Account Supervisor | Edelman Seattle[edelman.com] o: 206.664.7839 m: 206.227.3439

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And now about phishing...
by Dusan Stojicevic April 18, 2017

April 18, 2017

Interesting and possible> https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/04/chrome-firefox-unicode-phishing/ Cheers, Dusan --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Branded stickers are the new branded emoji keyboards - Digiday
by Don Hollander April 17, 2017

April 17, 2017

Further to recent discussions on emojis… > > http://digiday.com/marketing/branded-stickers-new-branded-emoji-keyboards/ <http://digiday.com/marketing/branded-stickers-new-branded-emoji-keyboards/> > > Branded stickers are the new branded emoji keyboards > Sponsored by LiveIntent <http://digiday.com/author/liveintent/>April 14, 2017 > Prepare yourself: Brands may have reached peak emoji <http://digiday.com/marketing/brands-may-time-move-past-emojis/>, but they’re just about getting started on stickers. > > FOMO-infected marketers see audiences ballooning on messaging apps like WhatsApp, WeChat, Line and others. The initial focus on infiltrating these communication channels fell to emoji keyboards, which naturally became ubiquitous. Now, brands including Disney, Starbucks, Sephora and Garfield — as well as their budgets — are moving onto branded stickers. > > But emoji keyboards were never anything more than another dubious marketing tactic, making for a good press release and adding to brands’ “hip” credentials, but not much more. At least 250 brands created their own emoji keyboards in 2015 and trumpeted their releases — but never actually disclosed how many downloads the emoji keyboards got, how many people actively used them or whether they drove any ROI. > > Branded stickers are not only more customizable but also far more accessible. Users had to download branded emoji keyboards outside of other apps, which in itself was a big barrier. Branded stickers, on the other hand, are often found within messaging apps themselves. Apple’s iMessage, for example, has an app store within the app with thousands of sticker packs, no need to go to the actual Apple app store. > > “Branded stickers are the new branded emoji keyboards,” said Robert Ferrari, CEO at Bare Tree Media, a company that has created stickers for brands including the New England Patriots and Garfield. “The experience is more frictionless, and they are not just a marketing but also a revenue opportunity for brands.” > > Evan Wray, co-founder at Swyft Media, a messaging technology company that makes branded stickers and emojis for brands across different messaging apps, agreed. He said that brands were going beyond emoji keyboards <http://digiday.com/marketing/useless-artifacts-brands-keep-making-emoji-key…>, which were “just the first step in the education process of brands” to get acquainted with the world of messaging apps. > > > A Burger King sticker > “In general, there’s a lot more brand activity in messaging today,” he said. “But the conversation has definitely shifted from ‘what is messaging?’ to ‘let’s do emoji keyboards,’ to ‘let’s now deploy an overarching strategy.’” > > The number of consumers using mobile messaging apps could reach 2 billion by 2018, according to eMarketer. Stickers are particularly popular, with some 6 billion stickers being sent around the world every day on mobile messaging apps, according to Swyft Media. Plus, everyone from Facebook to Twitter and even Apple, is turning its attention to stickers. > > <http://digiday.com/event/digiday-video-anywhere-summit-2017-may-new-orleans/> > What’s more, stickers are also lucrative, presenting both brands and messaging apps an opportunity to generate new revenue streams through sticker sales. Line, for instance, generates over $270 million a year just through in-app sticker sales. On the iMessage app store, brands typically put up a mix of both free and paid sticker packs, which are priced anywhere between $0.99 and $1.99. The New England Patriots, for instance, have general packs as well as special paid packs like the “Champs” pack, which the brand introduced after its team’s Super Bowl win this year. > > Brands are flocking to stickers because they are also far more personalized than branded emojis, allowing them to showcase their brands far better. For instance, if KFC were creating a branded emoji keyboard featuring the Colonel, he would most likely be an animated caricature. Now, it can use the face of the actor that plays him and make it into a sticker. > > > A Garfield sticker on iMessage > Stickers also make for a far more frictionless experience as compared to emoji keyboards. Emoji keyboards did not prioritize the user experience, according to Wray, because they were often cumbersome to find and then download. On the other hand, stickers are often found within messaging apps directly, and users can obtain or purchase them without any additional steps or downloads. Engagement with branded sticker packs and app sticker add-ons are encouraging too, with users spending an average of 3.5 minutes per session with them, according to Bare Tree Media. > > “Stickers are far more streamlined than having the user go and install an app and get keyboards,” said Jana Gauthier, director of digital media for the New England Patriots, which has dabbled in both emoji keyboards as well as stickers for its own app as well as on iMessage. “It’s not always the best idea to force consumers to go to your owned and operated platforms; it helps more to be where they are.” > > As far as platforms go, stickers have been widely used in Asian markets on platforms like WeChat and Line for years. But in the U.S., Apple’s iMessage is a clear winner, with 50 percent of branded stickers being shared through iMessage, according to Bare Tree Media (20 percent are being shared through Facebook Messenger and 10 percent through Snapchat.) Apple launched a dedicated app store for its messaging app iMessage, with virtual stickers and other animations, back in September. Since then, brands from Disney <http://digiday.com/marketing/burger-king-betty-boop-others-make-branded-sti…> and the New England Patriots to Starbucks and Garfield have launched branded stickers on Apple iMessage. According to both the Patriots and Garfield, their stickers are most popular on the iPhone over any other device and iMessage dominates the adoption and usage. > > “Seventy percent of our users are on iMessage on the iPhone,” said Madelyn Ferris, vp of digital marketing at Paws, Inc., Garfield’s parent company. “These users have shared 50 million stickers so far.” > > One concern for brands marketing in messaging apps — be it through emojis or stickers — has been measurement. But that has become a priority for many messaging tech companies they partner with, from Emogi to Swyft. Emogi, for example, began partnering with analytics company Moat <http://digiday.com/marketing/third-party-measurement-comes-branded-emojis-s…> in January, to bring brand-focused metrics and measurement to mobile messaging apps like Kik and others. Swyft Media too has several third-party measurement partnerships in place. > > “Stickers help drive both brand awareness and revenue,” said Bare Tree’s Ferrari. “And the conversion is significantly higher than keyboards. These partnerships help us show that.” > Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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Fwd: Re: [Idna-update] List
by Asmus Freytag April 17, 2017

April 17, 2017

Please use this address, idna-update(a)ietf.org to comment on the two internet drafts discussed in today's meeting. A./

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