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Quick Guides and Definition of UA document
by Mark Svancarek Dec. 16, 2015

Dec. 16, 2015

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D98BC73B22A44C18!110095&authkey=!AFoc… This folder contains some Quick Guides and a UA definition document. These are intended to complement the CIO, IT Pro and Developer detail documents we are already creating. Quick guides are meant to be exactly that - they should not be complex or comprehensive. It's possible that these versions are even *too* complex... I'm eager for your feedback regarding the effectiveness of these documents.

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UA Coordination Call - Continued - 23:00 UTC
by Don Hollander Dec. 16, 2015

Dec. 16, 2015

The UA Coordination call from last week will continue today at 23:00 UTC https://icann.adobeconnect.com/universalacceptance MobileUSA tel://1-719-325-2630,*,,7375086559#<tel://1-719-325-2630,*,,7375086559> MobileNZ: tel://0800-459-127,*,,7375086559# MobileHK tel://800-968-082,*,,7375086559# MobileUK tel://0800-368-0950,*,,7375086559#

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UA Coordination Call
by Don Hollander Dec. 16, 2015

Dec. 16, 2015

There is a UA Coordination Group call @ 23:00 UTC on Wednesday,9 December 2015 The UA Coordination Group consists of the Chair, Vice-Chairs and Project Group Coordinators. The calls are open to observers. We’ll also distribute notes from the call. For those interested, please find attached the agenda and papers.

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UA Article
by Michael D. Palage Dec. 14, 2015

Dec. 14, 2015

Hello All I thought I would share the following article, see http://domainnamewire.com/2015/12/14/new-tlds-engineering/ Best regards, Michael

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Notes from today's UA M&M Call
by Don Hollander Dec. 9, 2015

Dec. 9, 2015

Please find attached the draft notes from today’s UA M&M Call. Of particular note: - There were no clear ideas for Soft Measures. - The idea of a Bounty for making programming packages UA ready was raised.

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IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Dec. 8, 2015

Dec. 8, 2015

Often times I hear that IDNs are not indexed by certain search engines. While I know this is not true, the example below doesn’t help my case either (at least not 100%). Here is an example where the IDN I’m looking for is showing up in the first 5 search results on Baidu (see picture below). However, the string is displayed as the punycode-encoded label instead of the corresponding Chinese IDN (i.e. xn--ebr05n.com) . Google and Yandex appear to work as expected. Bing didn’t display the domain name in the results (first two pages). Is there someone interested (and with the language skills) in taking the action item to reach out to Baidu? This might be in the form of opening a bug ticket to explain the problem (IDN is displayed as punycode-encoded label. Example: xn--ebr05.com) and what the expected result should have been (IDN displayed as Chinese domain nam. Example: 墨刀.com) [cid:image001.png@01D125D4.E6F49C60] Dennis Tan Sr. Product Manager Naming Services DTanTanaka(a)Verisign.com<mailto:DTanTanaka@Verisign.com> m: 571-246-7303 t: 703-948-4197 12061 Bluemont Way, Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com<http://www.verisigninc.com/> [Verisign(tm)]

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UA M&M Call
by Don Hollander Dec. 7, 2015

Dec. 7, 2015

Agenda UA M&M Group Call Wednesday, 2015-12-08 23:00 UTC https://icann.adobeconnect.com/universalacceptance MobileUSA tel://1-719-325-2630,*,,7375086559#<tel://1-719-325-2630,*,,7375086559> MobileNZ: tel://0800-459-127,*,,7375086559# MobileHK tel://800-968-082,*,,7375086559# MobileUK tel://0800-368-0950,*,,7375086559# Phone Only Controls : https://go.conferencinghub.com/1n1zr Other numbers available by request. 1. Attendance 2. Agenda Ajustments 3. Review of minutes from Last Meeting 4. Actions arising a. Michael to test the idea of leveraging a trade associations mana with the folks from .realtor 5. Website Evaluation - Partnerships 6. Other Measurement Activities a. What i. Email Server & Client Evaluation - Evaluate the 25 largest email service and software providers for their ability to handle EAI and new gTLDs. For a broad sample of new TLDs (IDNs and ASCII), determine if an account can be created and if mail can be sent and received. ii. Popular Software - Evaluate the 50 most popular programming and scripting languages and determine their UA Readiness. iii. Popular Browsers - Evaluate the 25 most popular browser & their platforms (browser + operating system) to determine their UA Readiness. iv. Soft Measures - Provide a report from the ICANN Global Survey which focuses specifically on the UA issues and their acceptance by users and registrants b. Who c. Concurrent Mitigation Efforts 7. AoB

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Cancelled - This week's UA Discuss list call
by Don Hollander Dec. 3, 2015

Dec. 3, 2015

Dear all, The UA Discuss call, tentatively scheduled for 23:00 UTC today, will not occur. There are, however, still things happening in smaller working groups, including: - Local Community Engagement Model development. Currently in first draft having moved on from an outline - Registry/Registrar Guidebook - Dennis & Rich continue to build this out - Help Wanted - We’ve had four applications and they are going through evaluation and selection - Monthly Newsletter - this is being built. Waiting for the financials expected by the 10th. - Template formats - expected the end of next week - Wiki update - progress expected the end of next week - Activities in China - - EAI Gathering - working on an agenda and logistics for next year. Plenty to talk about for a call on the 16th. Don

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Re: [UA-discuss] Regarding bug 4074446
by Mark Svancarek Dec. 2, 2015

Dec. 2, 2015

Jeromie, I'm checking in to see the status on this bug. I can't tell if there is any progress at https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=4074446 /marksv From: Mark Svancarek Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 11:13 AM To: 'jeclark(a)adobe.com' Cc: ua-discuss(a)icann.org Subject: Regarding bug 4074446 Hi Jeromie, I have filed bug 4074446 at www.bugbase.adobe.com<http://www.bugbase.adobe.com> regarding the Flash plug-in issues detected by APNIC and reported at http://www.potaroo.net/reports/Universal-Acceptance/UA-Report.pdf. It should really be multiple bugs (multiple browsers, multiple OS platforms) but I'll let you determine what/how many there should be. Please keep us informed if you have to create new bugs. Thank you for your consideration. Mark Svancarek Microsoft Corporation - Customer and Partner Experience Engineering Universal Acceptance Steering Group - Measurement and Monitoring

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Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results
by Mark Svancarek Nov. 25, 2015

Nov. 25, 2015

Here’s what Bing says: At Bing indexing, we convert all IDN into punycode-encoded form and we are indexing those domains equally as the English ones. Specific to this DSATs, we have both modao.cc and xn--ebr05n.com (墨刀.com) in index, indicating there is no systematic issue handling IDN indexing. However, we do realize punycode-encoded form is less user friendly compared with the original form and we will further discuss internally on how we can improve the search UX. From: Jin Wang [mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info] Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 1:26 AM To: Mark Svancarek Cc: liuyue(a)catr.cn; Yaling Tan; Pinky Brand Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results Hi Mark, Greetings from Beijing! We really appreciate the great help you offered! I am passing the info to a small group of colleagues from the industry- policy makers, registries and registrars. We think it might be better to firstly gather as many ideas or questions as possible from our side so that we can offer a list of UA issues to companies like Microsoft and teams like the Bing. I will keep you posted for any update here in China, and please feel free to contact me for any possible question or tasks. Warmest Regards, Jin On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:59 AM, Mark Svancarek <marksv(a)microsoft.com<mailto:marksv@microsoft.com>> wrote: LMK if you need any assistance with the Microsoft Bing team. They are aware of this topic. From: Jin Wang [mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info>] Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:21 AM To: Tan Tanaka, Dennis Cc: ua-discuss; ua-international(a)icann.org<mailto:ua-international@icann.org>; yaojk; Brent London; Don Hollander; Mark Svancarek Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results Hi Dennis, Sorry for the confusion caused, I did miss your point, and yes of course you are definitely right about the a-label showing on the search result. As for the plan for China UA task, actually there is an existing yet very strong 'ICANN community' in China. we are working together to form a combined effort in UA by: Firstly identify the major stakeholders (policy makers, IDN tld registries, top registrars, top search application/service providers, internet research organisations), Secondly gather the demands from registries' side, Thirdly we need to interview the search engines and input methods companies to analyse the potential technical obstacles-- with the interests of a stakeholder group rather than one tld at a time, Last but not least, we should raise the awareness among the CIOs and CMOs in China through as many channels/methods as possible. The current obstacles for this China group to join the UA discuss are their working language (which is mainly Chinese) & the time difference. Nonetheless we still want to make more contribution to ICANN UA by helping the localization of any UA related document and sharing first-hand feedbacks from Chinese 'netizens' and internet service providers. Best Regards, Jin On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:19 PM, Tan Tanaka, Dennis <dtantanaka(a)verisign.com<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com>> wrote: Hi Jin, Perhaps I was not clearly enough in my note. I was referring to the fifth search result on the picture. Note that the URL is “xn—ebr05n.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2febr05n.com&…>” instead of ”墨刀.com”. The point is that the a-label should not be displayed to the end user. The application should have identified the label as an IDN and as such transformed it to Unicode. That didn’t happen here. On your other note, if you can elaborate a plan on how to engage these companies in China, that would be extremely welcome. Could we discuss your high level plan in two weeks from today? Thanks, Dennis From: Jin Wang [mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info>] Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 1:44 AM To: Tan Tanaka, Dennis Cc: ua-discuss; ua-international(a)icann.org<mailto:ua-international@icann.org>; yaojk; Brent London; Don Hollander; Mark Švančárek Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results Hi Gentelmen, I reckoned the term Dennis used is an IDN.com but all the BAIDU results just took the Chinese key words (the parts that were high-lighted in red)--- it barely has anything to do with domain name. It is really hard to come to the conclusion that BAIDU is supporting IDNs in their search engine. At present, Baidu is the leading search engine in China but there are still a handful companies providing similar services in China. Therefore, instead of having one or two experts talking to the companies one by one, I suggest we'd better make a combined effort to talk to a group of companies - search engines, mailbox service provider, input methods (for Chinese pinyin), and also some of the smartphone manufacturers. As most of them are competing locally rather than globally, it might works better to start within China, especially when some of the world's biggest player is in absence in China. I can voluntarily embark on finding out a viable communication channel so that we can have a dialog mechanism in the future. Best Regards, Jin On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Jiankang Yao <yaojk(a)cnnic.cn<mailto:yaojk@cnnic.cn>> wrote: I can help to talk to baidu and forward your message to them. ________________________________ Jiankang Yao From: Tan Tanaka, Dennis<mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com> Date: 2015-11-24 05:45 To: UA-discuss(a)icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> CC: ua-international(a)icann.org<mailto:ua-international@icann.org> Subject: [UA-International] IDN-as-punycode-encoded-label in Baidu search engine results Often times I hear that IDNs are not indexed by certain search engines. While I know this is not true, the example below doesn’t help my case either (at least not 100%). Here is an example where the IDN I’m looking for is showing up in the first 5 search results on Baidu (see picture below). However, the string is displayed as the punycode-encoded label instead of the corresponding Chinese IDN (i.e. xn--ebr05n.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fxn--ebr05n.…>) . Google and Yandex appear to work as expected. Bing didn’t display the domain name in the results (first two pages). Is there someone interested (and with the language skills) in taking the action item to reach out to Baidu? This might be in the form of opening a bug ticket to explain the problem (IDN is displayed as punycode-encoded label. Example: xn--ebr05.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fxn--ebr05.c…>) and what the expected result should have been (IDN displayed as Chinese domain nam. Example: 墨刀.com) [cid:image001.png@01D12780.A8E51E60] Dennis Tan Sr. Product Manager Naming Services DTanTanaka(a)Verisign.com<mailto:DTanTanaka@Verisign.com> m: 571-246-7303<tel:571-246-7303> t: 703-948-4197<tel:703-948-4197> 12061 Bluemont Way, Reston, VA 20190 VerisignInc.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.verisig…> [Verisign™] -- 王瑨中国区总经理 Mr. Jin Wang China General Manager 域通联达 [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/145935004/tld%20registry%20english%20lo…] 中文新顶级域名市场领航者 The Market-leading New Chinese Domains 北京 | 香港 | 赫尔辛基 | 纽约 | 奥斯汀 | 奥斯陆 Beijing | Hong Kong | Helsinki | New York | Austin | Oslo 移动电话: +86 159 0110 8743 电子邮件: jin.wang(a)internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info> -- 王瑨中国区总经理 Mr. Jin Wang China General Manager 域通联达 [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/145935004/tld%20registry%20english%20lo…] 中文新顶级域名市场领航者 The Market-leading New Chinese Domains 北京 | 香港 | 赫尔辛基 | 纽约 | 奥斯汀 | 奥斯陆 Beijing | Hong Kong | Helsinki | New York | Austin | Oslo 移动电话: +86 159 0110 8743 电子邮件: jin.wang(a)internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info> -- 王瑨中国区总经理 Mr. Jin Wang China General Manager 域通联达 [https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/145935004/tld%20registry%20english%20lo…] 中文新顶级域名市场领航者 The Market-leading New Chinese Domains 北京 | 香港 | 赫尔辛基 | 纽约 | 奥斯汀 | 奥斯陆 Beijing | Hong Kong | Helsinki | New York | Austin | Oslo 移动电话: +86 159 0110 8743 电子邮件: jin.wang(a)internetregistry.info<mailto:jin.wang@internetregistry.info>

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