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Re: [UA-discuss] UA Poster
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Feb. 16, 2017

Feb. 16, 2017

I concur. Additionally, I suggest changing or adding fully IDN domain names instead of the Latin/Non-Latin combinations. Thanks, Dennis From: <ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Richard Merdinger <rmerdinger(a)godaddy.com> Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 8:43 PM To: Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org>, "UA-discuss(a)icann.org" <UA-discuss(a)icann.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [UA-discuss] UA Poster Don, I like it conceptually a lot and think the layout is good. It’s kind of hard to tell “small” but it seems a but text heavy. It might help to bold key words in te h sentences that highlight each. Nice work; I can’t wait to put some up at GoDaddy’s TechFest conference where we host all of our technical teams for an internal conference. Richard Merdinger rmerdinger(a)godaddy.com<mailto:rmerdinger@godaddy.com> From: <ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 7:17 PM To: ua-discuss <UA-discuss(a)icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] UA Poster We’ve been doing some work on getting a poster designed that we can use at a variety of events. Many thanks to Nicole for her contribution to this and all the other excellent design work that we’ve had. Please find attached a draft. Plan is to produce these at A0 size (e.g. poster size). I would envision making these available at gatherings of software developers and such. Your thoughts are welcome. Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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Re: [UA-discuss] UA Poster
by Richard Merdinger Feb. 16, 2017

Feb. 16, 2017

Don, I like it conceptually a lot and think the layout is good. It’s kind of hard to tell “small” but it seems a but text heavy. It might help to bold key words in te h sentences that highlight each. Nice work; I can’t wait to put some up at GoDaddy’s TechFest conference where we host all of our technical teams for an internal conference. Richard Merdinger rmerdinger(a)godaddy.com<mailto:rmerdinger@godaddy.com> From: <ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org> Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 at 7:17 PM To: ua-discuss <UA-discuss(a)icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] UA Poster We’ve been doing some work on getting a poster designed that we can use at a variety of events. Many thanks to Nicole for her contribution to this and all the other excellent design work that we’ve had. Please find attached a draft. Plan is to produce these at A0 size (e.g. poster size). I would envision making these available at gatherings of software developers and such. Your thoughts are welcome. Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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DRAFT Help Wanted Ad - Local Initiative
by Don Hollander Feb. 16, 2017

Feb. 16, 2017

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1etkxueLWmoqYeNKWT_eLMnFWEoGAERqQH1PmBaG… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1etkxueLWmoqYeNKWT_eLMnFWEoGAERqQH1PmBaG…> The UASG Is looking for organisations to raise UA & EAI Awareness in local (National/State/Large city) communities. We’ve developed a draft help wanted ad based on UASG008 - Local Initiatives. I would appreciate your thoughts and comments and suggestions for this. A PDF is attached and above is a link to an editable Google Doc version. I would appreciate comments back by the 23rd of February (NZ time). Thanks. Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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We have just published the first version of the Quick Guide to EAI
by Don Hollander Feb. 15, 2017

Feb. 15, 2017

Quick Guide to Email Address Internationalization (EAI) <https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/UASG014_20170206.pdf> We expect a revised edition to come out in late April or May. Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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Election Nomination - Update
by Don Hollander Feb. 15, 2017

Feb. 15, 2017

I’ve had a request to provide running updates on nominations. Half-way through the nomination period, the following nominations have been received and confirmed by the nominees: Elections 2017 Chair - Ram Mohan Vice-Chair - Ajay Data Vice-Chair - Jothan Frakes Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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Re : [UA-EAI] Final version of Quick Guide to EAI
by Dr. AJAY D A T A Feb. 13, 2017

Feb. 13, 2017

Hello Don, There seems to be more into this... likeClient Software (MUA &ndash Mail User Agent)Should pass the domain name to the MTA (Mail Transport Agent) in A-Label format (RFC 5890).looks mismatch with clients... as Our test suggests that Outlook 2016 and Mobile Mail Client passes U-Label , not A-Label , Irrespective of SMTP Server is advertising SMTPUTF8 or not. This is probably ok, as when outlook is being configured if server do not support SMTPUPF8, user won`t be able to configure outlook at all, and obviously won`t be able to send email. It looks like Outlook assumes that if the EAI account is configured, than configuration host/server supports necessary standards. Server SoftwareShould confirm EAI-readiness (e.g. advertise SMTPUTF8 support) when making connection to another MTA. may be replaced with1) When Server connects to another SMTP Server, receiving server should advertise SMTPUTF8 in Hello/Ehlo response. 2) When Mail Client connection to SMTP Server, It should advertise SMTPUTF8 in Hello/Ehlo response. The sending server need not to advertise any support for SMTPUTF8, however must follow EAI guidelines while sending data to receiving server. Now people who wishes to test their servers against EAI support, may use this tool https://eai.xgenplus.com/ to check.Regards Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder &amp CEO Get email id like अजय(a)xn--c2bd1gb.xn--h2brj9c in your own language,visit www.xgenplus.com From: Don Hollander MailId : [65926677]To: "ua-eai(a)icann.org" Subject: [UA-EAI] Final version of Quick Guide to EAIDate: 07 Feb 2017 12:11:33 AM Please find attached the final version of the Quick Guide to EAI.Unless I hear of a SERIOUS error, we&rsquoll publish later this week.Don Don HollanderUniversal Acceptance Steering GroupSkype: don_hollander _______________________________________________UA-EAI mailing listUA-EAI@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-eaiDo not Remove:[HID]20170207001132427[-HID]

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Mobile Apps for EAI - UA Ready
by Dr. AJAY D A T A Feb. 12, 2017

Feb. 12, 2017

Dear Friends,Sharing Email Client Mobile apps supporting EAI. IOS App &ndash EAI Mail App ( https://itunes.apple.com/in/app/eai-mail/id1185502308?mt=8) is specially designed for EAI on iphone. You may be aware that iphone DO NOT support EAI configuration on its default email client. Bharatsync Communicator App (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bharatsync.communicator) is available for Android supporting EAI. Best Wishes Dr. Ajay DATA | Founder &amp CEO Get email id like अजय(a)xn--c2bd1gb.xn--h2brj9c in your own language,visit www.xgenplus.com Do not Remove: [HID]2017021300044848[-HID]

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UASG Elections - Call for nominations
by Don Hollander Feb. 12, 2017

Feb. 12, 2017

The UASG is now accepting nominations, including self-nominations, for the positions of Chair and Vice Chair. The charter at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/UniversalAcceptanceSteeringGro… <https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/UniversalAcceptanceSteeringGro…> refers The UASG can have two or three vice-chairs. The nomination period will close in 7 days - Sunday, 19 February 2017 at Midnight New Zealand time. Nominations should be sent to: don.hollander(a)icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org> After the nomination period closes, I will verify eligibility and acceptance of nominations. If there’s a need for an election, then we’ll proceed from there. Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
by Asmus Freytag (c) Feb. 9, 2017

Feb. 9, 2017

Well, now, this is ironic! (Read to the end) A./ -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:42:18 -0500 From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon(a)elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To: asmusf(a)ix.netcom.com This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: ajay(a)data.in SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<asmusf(a)ix.netcom.com>: host tls.spamjadoo.com [202.157.83.36]:550 Sender has been blocked due to spam activity ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: <asmusf(a)ix.netcom.com> Received: from [71.212.94.37] (helo=[192.168.0.5]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from <asmusf(a)ix.netcom.com>) id 1cbXBp-0004rw-RT for ajay(a)data.in; Wed, 08 Feb 2017 13:42:02 -0500 Subject: Re: Re : [ajay.uasg(a)data.in] Re: [UA-discuss] Spam Filtering To: "Dr. AJAY D A T A" <ajay(a)data.in> References: <1610141549.1508501486577296761.JavaMail.root(a)mx2.datainfosys.com> From: "Asmus Freytag (c)" <asmusf(a)ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <c8c80f8e-99fb-9069-123b-d60d0c5ec9ee(a)ix.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2017 10:42:02 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1610141549.1508501486577296761.JavaMail.root(a)mx2.datainfosys.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B57A0E642D71E98CC02C605E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B57A0E642D71E98CC02C605E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 2/8/2017 10:08 AM, Dr. AJAY D A T A wrote: > Asmus.. which would mean that you will not treat all domains (ascii / > non-ascii) same thus not UA ready. > > Am I missing something ? Correct; in order to keep my forum free from spam, I'm merciless. The forum is for owners of a particular item that was manufactured in the US and sold mainly there, but also in significant numbers in Brazil. Copies are known to exist in Germany, Italy, Guam and Australia. It is not impossible that isolated owners may be found in other locations, but it would be exceptional. Every once in a while, the forum gets hit by spammers. So far, they are invariably linked with certain countries that do not overlap with our user base. That makes filters based on location / country / language / script really attractive (and effective). We do not have the volume that allows us to run a Bayesian filter with any success. We are moderately active forum, which means that even one active spammer able to register can dominate; we found that all the standard deterrents (such as captchas) have unacceptable rates of leakage. So, I'm sad to say, for this particular case, there's absolutely no upside to Universal Acceptance. (At least not until my user base starts registering domains with emojis :) ). A./ PS: actually, I'm not particularly happy with this, because other than surviving spammers, there's no good reason to close off access. > *Dr. Ajay DATA* *| Founder & CEO * > Get email id like *अजय(a)xn--c2bd1gb.xn--*-ovd0am3e in your own language, > visit www.xgenplus.com <http://www.xgenplus.com/> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Asmus Freytag <asmusf(a)ix.netcom.com> MailId : [66024103] > *To:* ua-discuss(a)icann.org > *Subject: *[ajay.uasg(a)data.in] Re: [UA-discuss] Spam Filtering > *Date:* 08 Feb 2017 11:27:42 PM > > On 2/8/2017 9:31 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 04:47:52PM +0000, Andre Schappo wrote: > >> Recently I tested sending email from my DataMail 小山(a)xn--wny099c.xn--3ds443g to > >> some people on gmail. Mostly they report that my email to them goes > >> into their gmail Spam/Junk folder. I deduce that the gmail spam > >> filtering software is treating chinese/unicode email addresses less > >> favourably than ascii email addresses. > > That seems like a leap. How many of those people speak Chinese > > natively? > > > > Most spam systems are Bayesian and have been taught to look for > > patterns that match other spam. Everyone who has taught gmail to > > recognize "Han in the headers == spam" will have to un-teach it that. > > I don`t know about you, but since I`m not a native user of Han > > characters I have certainly taught my spam filters such rules of > > thumb. > > > > A > Precisely. As a forum admin, I would cheerfully ban all non-ASCII > e-mails for > registration, because my user base is not world-wide, but the spammers > are. Only reason I am not doing that today, is that the software doesn`t > know about non-ascii e-mails yet :) > > A./ > . > > Do not Remove: > [HID]20170208232741783[-HID]

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Spam Filtering
by Andre Schappo Feb. 9, 2017

Feb. 9, 2017

I have previously tested email exchanges between my DataMail 小山(a)xn--wny099c.xn--3ds443g and my gmail. All fine, without any problems. Recently I tested sending email from my DataMail 小山(a)xn--wny099c.xn--3ds443g to some people on gmail. Mostly they report that my email to them goes into their gmail Spam/Junk folder. I deduce that the gmail spam filtering software is treating chinese/unicode email addresses less favourably than ascii email addresses. There does appear to be a UA problem with the gmail spam detection software. I think there will be UA issues with other spam detection/filtering systems. Anyone from Google on this list? André Schappo

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