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Internationalisation Workshop to school students
by Andre Schappo Jan. 17, 2018

Jan. 17, 2018

I decided that I had better write up my internationalisation workshop whilst it is still fresh in my mind. If I left it for a few days I would definitely forget stuff and it would probably never get written. It is a bit rough in places but I will tidy it up next weekend or the weekend after. So, here it is ➜ schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/computer-science-internationalization_17.html<https://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/computer-science-internationalizatio…> André Schappo

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We have recently added the UASG Quick Guide in Swahili based on a request.
by Don Hollander Jan. 17, 2018

Jan. 17, 2018

We’re also looking to get translation done in at least another 9 India languages over the course of this year. D Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group www.uasg.tech don.hollander(a)icann.org Skype: don_hollander

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The Latest EuRID/UNESCO IDN report is now available at https://idnworldreport.eu/year-2017/ Good reading as always. Thanks Emily!
by Don Hollander Jan. 17, 2018

Jan. 17, 2018

Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group www.uasg.tech don.hollander(a)icann.org Skype: don_hollander

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Fwd: [Fab5] Fwd: [lg policy] Kazakhstan to change from Cyrillic to Latinalphabet
by Asmus Freytag Jan. 16, 2018

Jan. 16, 2018

Neither apostrophes, nor the lookalike character (02BC), though PVALID, are legal for TLDs. Trouble... -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Kazakhstan to change from Cyrillic to Latin alphabet Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 10:21:27 -0500 Kazakhstan to change from Cyrillic to Latin alphabet The Kazakh language will change from Cyrillic to Latin script as part of a modernization and development effort. The move is also viewed as an attempt to distance the language from Russian and promote nationalism. Kasachstan | Kasachstan wechselt zum lateinischen Alphabet (REUTERS/illustration/S. Zhumatov) Kazakhstan's President Nursultan Nazarbayev on Friday announced the country's alphabet will gradually switch from Cyrillic to Latin script. Kazakh, a Turkic language, currently uses a modified Cyrillic alphabet with 42 letters. The Latin alphabet will have 32 letters. Certain sounds will be covered by the use of apostrophes. The change over is scheduled to be fully implemented by 2025. Officials said the switch is part of a modernization drive and an attempt to make use of technology easier. The Kazakh Cyrillic keyboard, for example, uses all number and punctuation keys in order to cover the 42 letters of Cyrillic alphabet. The Foreign Ministry said in September that the switch to Latin script would also benefit Kazakhstan's development. "[Latin] is used by approximately 70 percent of all countries, making it an essential part of communicating across the globe, especially in terms of technology, business, science and education," the ministry said. The oil-rich republic is a close ally of Russia and has the largest ethnic-Russian population of the former Soviet republics in Central Asia. Russian will remain an official language. Modernization and nationalism Nursultan Nazarbayev (picture-alliance/Pacific Press/J. Ratz) Nazarbayev himself uses both Russian and Kazakh in speeches. The switch is also seen as an attempt by Kazakhstan to distance itself from Russian influence and promote nationalism. According to the 2009 census, only 62 percent of the population is fluent in written and spoken Kazakh. Some 85 percent of the population is fluent in Russian. Kazakh briefly used the Latin script before switching to Cyrillic in 1940. Prior to 1929, the Arabic script had been used. The Soviet-era change to Cyrillic was implemented in other Turkic speaking Central Asian states and Azerbaijan in part to distance the countries from Turkey, which changed from a Persian-Arabic script to Latin in 1928 as part of a Westernization drive. Similarly, the switch from Arabic script to Cyrillic was designed to distance the Muslim Central Asian nations from the Islamic world. In an article published in state media in April, Nazarbayev described the use of the Cyrillic script as "political." Since the end of the Soviet Union in 1991, other Turkic countries including Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan have also switched to Latin alphabets. **** [Some irrelevant content deleted from this final section. N-Ostler] -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ Harold F. Schiffman Professor Emeritus of Dravidian Linguistics and Culture Dept. of South Asia Studies University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305 Phone: (215) 898-7475 Fax: (215) 573-2138 Email: haroldfs(a)gmail.com <mailto:haroldfs@gmail.com> http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/ <http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/%7Eharoldfs/> -------------------------------------------------

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Is there anywhere that lists the number of IDNs registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g?
by Don Hollander Jan. 16, 2018

Jan. 16, 2018

Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group www.uasg.tech don.hollander(a)icann.org Skype: don_hollander

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Re: [UA-discuss] UA-discuss Digest, Vol 37, Issue 9
by Harish Chowdhary Jan. 16, 2018

Jan. 16, 2018

Hi,Kindly see if this link may help to get the statistics on IDN'shttps://namestat.org/s/top-idnsThanks,Harish Chowdhary,ISOC IETF FELLOWinSIG 2017 FELLOWwww.nixi.in | www.indiaig.in From: ua-discuss-request(a)icann.orgSent: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 17:35:27 GMT+0530To: ua-discuss(a)icann.orgSubject: UA-discuss Digest, Vol 37, Issue 9Send UA-discuss mailing list submissions to   ua-discuss(a)icann.orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit   https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discussor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to   ua-discuss-request(a)icann.orgYou can reach the person managing the list at   ua-discuss-owner(a)icann.orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of UA-discuss digest..."Today's Topics:  1. UA Ambassadors (Don Hollander)  2. Is there anywhere that lists the number of IDNs registered?  &nb sp;  Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g? (Don Hollander)  3. Re: Is there anywhere that lists the number of IDNs     registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g? (Michael Palage)  4. Re: Is there anywhere that lists the number of IDNs     registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g? (Andre Schappo)  5. Re: Is there anywhere that lists the number of IDNs     registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g? (Don Hollander)  6. Re: Is there anywhere that lists the number of IDNs     registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g? (Maxim Alzoba)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2018 21:51:49 +0000From: Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org>To: Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] UA AmbassadorsMessage-ID: <8AC6B697-640A-4550-9923-4BC6354CAD45@icann .org>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"The UASG is currently seeking applicants to be UA Ambassadors.Details are available at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/UA-Ambassadors-18-01-15.pdf <https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/UA-Ambassadors-18-01-15.pdf>While there is no ?fee for service?, the UASG is willing to provide travel, accommodation and meeting registration support for our ambassadors to help share the message of the need for Universal Acceptance and Email Address Internationalisation (EAI) to our target audience of developers, system architects and CIOs.   Besides financial support for travel, accommodation and meeting registration, the UASG will also provide presentation material.If you know anyone who you think might be very good for this role, please forward this to them.DonDon HollanderUniversal Acceptance Steering Groupwww.uasg.techdon.hollander(a)icann.orgSkype: don_hollander-------------- next part --------------An HTM L attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180115/9b812326/attachment-0001.html>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: smime.p7sType: application/pkcs7-signatureSize: 3869 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180115/9b812326/smime-0001.p7s>------------------------------Message: 2Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 04:10:49 +0000From: Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org>To: Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] Is there anywhere that lists the number of IDNs   registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g?Message-ID: <6F77D377-DBE5-4388-A89D-7701F69BB8A4(a)icann.org>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Don HollanderUniversal Acceptance Steering Groupwww.uasg.techdon.hollander(a)icann.orgSkype: don_hollander-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment wa s scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180116/11dad53c/attachment-0001.html>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: smime.p7sType: application/pkcs7-signatureSize: 3869 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180116/11dad53c/smime-0001.p7s>------------------------------Message: 3Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 00:11:07 -0500From: "Michael Palage" <michael(a)palage.com>To: "'Don Hollander'" <don.hollander(a)icann.org>, "'Universal   Acceptance'" <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Is there anywhere that lists the number of   IDNs   registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g?Message-ID: <014d01d38e88$6b26aeb0$41740c10$(a)palage.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"Hello Don,So the best way is to perhaps ask IC ANN for these numbers in the aggregatein connection IDN TLDs. ICANN delays posting the monthly registry reportsfor a period of three months. Probably the best public resource is to use asite such as ntldstats and look at the size of the zone files in these TLDswhich are generally accurate with a day or two.  Note however these numbersonly include domains in the zone file, but NOT the total in theauthoritative database.So I did some quick massaging of data available from ntldstats and my quickmath shows 655,565 (CELL H95)second levels domains in IDN TLDs although ahandful of these may be ascii, i.e NIC.IDN.Hopefully this helps.Best regards,MichaelFrom: UA-discuss [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of DonHollanderSent: Monday, January 15, 2018 11:11 PMTo: Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: [UA-discuss] Is there anywhere that lists the number of IDNsregistered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g?Don HollanderUniversal Acceptance Steerin g Groupwww.uasg.tech <http://www.uasg.tech>don.hollander@icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>Skype: don_hollander-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180116/d8d6189c/attachment-0001.html>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IDN-TLD-Stats.xlsxType: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.spreadsheetml.sheetSize: 41476 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180116/d8d6189c/IDN-TLD-Stats-0001.xlsx>------------------------------Message: 4Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 07:58:54 +0000From: Andre Schappo <A.Schappo(a)lboro.ac.uk>To: Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Is there anywhere that lists the number of   IDNs registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g?Message-ID: <965CB46E-3FD5-4844-AB69-1751F9FE3 575(a)lboro.ac.uk>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"namestat.org/s/top-idns<https://namestat.org/s/… Schappo-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180116/6ef6c138/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 5Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 08:18:02 +0000From: Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org>To: Andre Schappo <A.Schappo(a)lboro.ac.uk>, Michael Palage   <michael(a)palage.com>Cc: Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Is there anywhere that lists the number of   IDNs registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g?Message-ID: <70347835-91D6-448E-83EB-836F0CB908CA(a)icann.org>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Thanks Andre & Michael.Different numbers, interesting.   But they give me a scale.Any idea where I might find IDN ccTLD registration numbers?And how many have MX records?D> On 16/01/2018, at 8:58 PM, Andre Schappo <A.Schappo(a)lboro.ac.uk> wrote:>>> namestat.org/s/top-idns[namestat.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__namestat.org_s_top-2Didns&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=4GItUqNSoZ3ortbJEORR7kWeWbiyyARPFtIpkXYXSZM&s=zcJsTdgnJlyo98aDzY0OKOf8WuINN6lil6gPKHScPjM&e=>>> Andr? Schappo>>>Don HollanderUniversal Acceptance Steering Groupwww.uasg.techdon.hollander(a)icann.orgSkype: don_hollander-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180116/9744aa69/attachment-0001.html>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: smime.p7sType: application/pkcs7-signatureSize: 3869 bytesDesc: not availableURL: <http://mm.icann.or g/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180116/9744aa69/smime-0001.p7s>------------------------------Message: 6Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:03:14 +0300From: Maxim Alzoba <m.alzoba(a)gmail.com>To: Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org>Cc: Universal Acceptance <ua-discuss(a)icann.org>Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Is there anywhere that lists the number of   IDNs registered? Or names registered in IDN TLDs? cc & g?Message-ID: <3D6510CE-1A05-4971-A5B8-50D5BA8795AA(a)gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Hello Don,if you are going for gtld numbers - it could be done via CZDS (and a script checking for an IDN in the zone files)and ccTLD numbers could be obtained via ccNSO (at least I think so, due to some of ccTLDs not willing to share zone files)?P.s: some of old tlds offering access to their zone files too (others could be asked for the estimate numbers of IDNs).Sincerely Yours,Maxim AlzobaSpecial projects manager,International Relat ions Department,FAITIDm. +7 916 6761580(+whatsapp)skype oldfroggerCurrent UTC offset: +3.00 (.Moscow)> On 16 Jan 2018, at 11:18, Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org> wrote:>> Thanks Andre & Michael.>> Different numbers, interesting.   But they give me a scale.>> Any idea where I might find IDN ccTLD registration numbers?>> And how many have MX records?>> D>>>> On 16/01/2018, at 8:58 PM, Andre Schappo <A.Schappo(a)lboro.ac.uk <mailto:A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk>> wrote:>>>>>> namestat.org/s/top-idns[namestat.org] <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__namestat.org_s_top-2Didns&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=YI0XKyKCabKQi3GVWLvuoyCWjH9WBgEBxLbMnmhSRwo&m=4GItUqNSoZ3ortbJEORR7kWeWbiyyARPFtIpkXYXSZM&s=zcJsTdgnJlyo98aDzY0OKOf8WuINN6lil6gPKHScPjM&e=>>>>> Andr? Schappo>>>>>>>> Don Hollander> Univers al Acceptance Steering Group> www.uasg.tech <http://www.uasg.tech/>> don.hollander(a)icann.org <mailto:don.hollander@icann.org>> Skype: don_hollander>>>-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/attachments/20180116/5d6a365c/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________UA-discuss mailing listUA-discuss@icann.orghttps://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discuss------------------------------End of UA-discuss Digest, Vol 37, Issue 9***************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [NIXI is on Social-Media too. 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UA Ambassadors
by Don Hollander Jan. 15, 2018

Jan. 15, 2018

The UASG is currently seeking applicants to be UA Ambassadors. Details are available at https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/UA-Ambassadors-18-01-15.pdf <https://uasg.tech/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/UA-Ambassadors-18-01-15.pdf> While there is no ‘fee for service’, the UASG is willing to provide travel, accommodation and meeting registration support for our ambassadors to help share the message of the need for Universal Acceptance and Email Address Internationalisation (EAI) to our target audience of developers, system architects and CIOs. Besides financial support for travel, accommodation and meeting registration, the UASG will also provide presentation material. If you know anyone who you think might be very good for this role, please forward this to them. Don Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group www.uasg.tech don.hollander(a)icann.org Skype: don_hollander

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New blog article + Leading by example
by Andre Schappo Jan. 14, 2018

Jan. 14, 2018

New Blog Article — I have just started a new blog article schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/computer-science-internationalization_14.html<https://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2018/01/computer-science-internationalizatio…> It will be an ongoing article, probably for some 3 years. In this article I will be listing real functioning internationalised (i15d) email addresses. Currently I have listed 2 such addresses. So, what I am after is more examples of real functioning i15d email addresses. Do you know of any? I am after emails for my article that are:- 1️⃣ Public domain emails - can you please provide a link to the email, say a webpage showing the link, or say a tweet announcing the email publicly or a blog article announcing the email 2️⃣ A personal i15d email address that you would like to be known publicly. There may be a human interest story behind your email. My reasoning here is that if there is a human interest story attached to an i15d email then people are more likely to take note, and and remember it. See my blog article for an example. If you would like to share that story on my article please give me some text along with the email. Please keep the story brief or give me a link to your i15d email human interest story. I will in due course be making the email addresses in my article clickable. So please send me working i15d email addresses that I can include in my blog article Leading by example — I think uasg should have one or more i15d email addresses.These addresses should appear publicly on the landing page of uasg.tech<http://uasg.tech> and should be emphasised. Maybe you already have plans for such emails? Ajay: I have seen both वसुंधरा(a)xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c<http://xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c> and वसुधरा(a)xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c<http://xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c> on the net. The first with the Devanagri Anusvara and the second without. Which is the correct form? Which is the one registered with you or are both forms registered with you. Are there any other forms of वसुंधरा(a)xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c<http://xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c> that are registered with you. Oh, and is this address(es) actually being used? How much email is going to वसुंधरा(a)xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c<http://xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c>? If you are not bound by a confidentiality agreement could you give us an indication of how much traffic to going to वसुंधरा(a)xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c<http://xn--81bsj3a4b8ad2j.xn--h2brj9c> TIA André Schappo

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UA & Chicken + Egg problems
by Mark Svancarek Jan. 8, 2018

Jan. 8, 2018

Lots of references today of UA as a "chicken and egg" type problem. Here's my favorite chicken/egg UA video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39MbIb2PlS4

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presentation of links to users - my current working practice
by Andre Schappo Jan. 7, 2018

Jan. 7, 2018

Here is my, since this morning, current practice for presentation of links to users. Most of the following I have been doing for some time but I have not been consistent. I will endeavour to be more consistent but sometimes I will forget to do it. Here are my current personal rules for presenting links to users http(s) will be presented without the scheme name nor www (there are a small number of websites that have been setup with only the www prefixed form). I will also, as has been my practice for years, show the real address eg uasg.tech<https://uasg.tech> If it is a really long address which I cannot reasonably fit on say, a presentation slide, I will use ellipsis to indicate there is more eg once.upon/a/time/there/was/a/beautiful/princess/that/…<http://once.upon/a/time/there/was/a/beautiful/princess/that/lived/in/an/anc…> One thing I will definitely not do is have anything like — " … click here<http://WeAreGoingToStealAllYourMoney.mafia> for more information. " email addresses I will of course linkify. That has been common practice in many apps for many years and common practice not to present to the user the scheme name mailto: . It is though still a bit difficult to get apps to auto linkify idn email addresses. But one can do it manually quite easily, well sometimes. Very easy with DataMail 邮.电邮.在线<http://xn--ue4a.xn--wny099c.xn--3ds443g> Other schemes I will present to the user with the scheme name to distinguish them from email and website links eg sftp://store.in.the.street/mine/file.txt I have given my email sig a makeover to conform with this working practice. If you have time can you please test the email link in my email sig below. I do not know what different mail clients will do with it. I hope that when you click the email link you will see in the email message To: field = my chinese email address 小山(a)xn--wny099c.xn--3ds443g and in the From: field - 你好小山😜 in your email client/App/webmail. That is what I see and that is what I set it up to do. Anyone from Apple on this list? There is an issue with OSX High Sierra Mail App. When I add an email link I have to specify "mailto://" rather than "mailto:". That in itself is not the issue but rather it is that Mail then treats the "//" as part of the email address and puts it into the email message To; field. I got round it by editing my mailsignature file and removed the "//". An easy fix would be to allow both "mailto://" and "mailto:" when adding links. Any chance of flagging this problem with the OSX Mail team? André 🌏 🌍 🌎 André Schappo 小山(a)xn--wny099c.xn--3ds443g<mailto:%E5%B0%8F%E5%B1%B1@%E7%94%B5%E9%82%AE.%E5%9C%A8%E7%BA%BF?Subject=%E4%BD%A0%E5%A5%BD%E5%B0%8F%E5%B1%B1%F0%9F%98%9C> schappo.blogspot.co.uk<https://schappo.blogspot.co.uk> twitter.com/andreschappo<https://twitter.com/andreschappo> weibo.com/andreschappo<https://weibo.com/andreschappo> groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/computer-science-curriculum-internationaliz…<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/computer-science-curriculum-interna…>

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