November 2016 - UA-discuss

Re: [UA-discuss] EAI Implementation Issue
by Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila Nov. 7, 2016

Nov. 7, 2016

Thanks all for your replies , I already installed postfix “compile,installed” and I got the below warning although I already installed icu “dependencies” postfix: warning: smtputf8_enable is true, but EAI support is not compiled in and the Unicode files are already there as well. Did anyone face this issue before ? Or is there any advice ? Thnx All the Best, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila Deputy Manager, Dot Masr Registry, Operation Sector. 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If you have received this email in error please notify your system support manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the National Telecom Regulatory Authority (NTRA) . Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The NTRA accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. From: Don Hollander [mailto:don.hollander@icann.org] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 3:26 AM To: Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila; UA-discuss(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] EAI Implementation Abdalmonem: Postfix is an EAI Ready mail server application. Outlook2016 for PC is an EAI ready client. Don From: <ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org>> on behalf of Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <agalila(a)mcit.gov.eg<mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg>> Date: Sunday, 6 November 2016 at 7:42 PM To: "UA-discuss(a)icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org>" <UA-discuss(a)icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org>> Subject: [UA-discuss] EAI Implementation Dear Colleagues, I hope you are doing well, I am trying to implement EAI at my testing environment and as you know dovecot is not compatible with EAI so any advice ? Is there an email client who is compatible with EAI addresses ? Thanks in advance. Thnx All the Best, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila Deputy Manager, Dot Masr Registry, Operation Sector. 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دون@ملجأ.شبكArabaic Email Address now working
by Don Hollander Nov. 7, 2016

Nov. 7, 2016

Just a quick note to let you know that I have been able to send from and receive to my arabic.arabic@arabic email address. I am using XgenPlus’s email solution. We are finding some challenges with other applications not necessarily displaying the addresses correctly or being able to reply. I expect that we’ll get a clear picture once we get our EAI Evaluation underway. Thanks to Dr Ajay Data for his help. Don

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Relevant Reddit thread
by David Conrad Nov. 7, 2016

Nov. 7, 2016

https://www.reddit.com/r/msp/comments/5bh7iv/using_new_generic_tlds_for_cus… Regards, -drc

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EAI Implementation
by Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila Nov. 7, 2016

Nov. 7, 2016

Dear Colleagues, I hope you are doing well, I am trying to implement EAI at my testing environment and as you know dovecot is not compatible with EAI so any advice ? Is there an email client who is compatible with EAI addresses ? Thanks in advance. Thnx All the Best, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila Deputy Manager, Dot Masr Registry, Operation Sector. [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/268513_1801528887076…] National Telecommunication Regulatory Authority [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: 1365523405_telephone] Office Tel.: +2 02 35341582 - +2 02 35341300 [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Mobile] Mobile: +2 010 00049068 [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: ICON] Fax : +2 02 35370537 [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: oNLINE] Website : http:\\www.mcit.gov.eg<http://www.mcit.gov.eg/> : http:\\www.tra.gov.eg<http://www.mcit.gov.eg/> [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: 1365523294_email] E-mail : agalila(a)mcit.gov.eg<mailto:agalila@mcit.gov.eg> : atharwat(a)tra.gov.eg<mailto:atharwat@tra.gov.eg> [1447802547_skype] Skype : abdalmonem.galila [static_qr_code_without_logo] [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: 1365523469_error]DISCLAIMER This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your system support manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the National Telecom Regulatory Authority (NTRA) . Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The NTRA accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.

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Re: [UA-discuss] EAI Implementation
by Don Hollander Nov. 7, 2016

Nov. 7, 2016

Abdalmonem: Postfix is an EAI Ready mail server application. Outlook2016 for PC is an EAI ready client. Don From: <ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila <agalila(a)mcit.gov.eg> Date: Sunday, 6 November 2016 at 7:42 PM To: "UA-discuss(a)icann.org" <UA-discuss(a)icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] EAI Implementation Dear Colleagues, I hope you are doing well, I am trying to implement EAI at my testing environment and as you know dovecot is not compatible with EAI so any advice ? Is there an email client who is compatible with EAI addresses ? Thanks in advance. Thnx All the Best, Abdalmonem Tharwat Galila Deputy Manager, Dot Masr Registry, Operation Sector. National Telecommunication Regulatory Authority Office Tel.: +2 02 35341582 - +2 02 35341300 Mobile: +2 010 00049068 Fax : +2 02 35370537 Website : http:\\www.mcit.gov.eg : http:\\www.tra.gov.eg E-mail : agalila(a)mcit.gov.eg : atharwat(a)tra.gov.eg Skype : abdalmonem.galila DISCLAIMER This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your system support manager. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the National Telecom Regulatory Authority (NTRA) . Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The NTRA accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email.

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Presentations from UASG Community Update held today
by Don Hollander Nov. 6, 2016

Nov. 6, 2016

Attached are the presentations from today’s UASG Community Update. Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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Presentations from UASG Workshop - November 3, 2016
by Don Hollander Nov. 5, 2016

Nov. 5, 2016

Please find attached the PDF’s of the presentations given during the UASG Workshop in India. Some key points from the meeting: There is significant amount of work being done in terms of UA and EAI. Work in India and in China is impressive. See particularly presentations 05 & 10 The community asked to see whether IDN TLD ranking in search engine results are affected by their being IDNs and if so to see if we can determine if these are conscious or inadvertent affects. If they are inadvertent events then we will actively reach out to Search Engines to bring the issue to their attention. The Programming Language Review Criteria has been circulated and we are encouraging people to either respond directly or pass it to their programming teams for their consideration. The Beta version of an Automated Evaluation Tool produced by Zensar was very well received. (http://ua-analyser.zensar.com/web-crawler/home <http://ua-analyser.zensar.com/web-crawler/home>) They will circulate the criteria that they’ve applied in their evaluation for comment and refinement. Significant discussions occurred around EAI Regrettably, we ran out of time for a substantive discussion around EAI. I’m wondering if there would be enough interest in finding some space on Monday afternoon. Please let me know (off list) if you’d like me to try to find some space. (See presentations 10, 10a, 10b, & 10c) It was heartening to hear of the launch of xgenplus’ EAI capable platform. There needs to be discussion among practitioners on how to deal with a variety of issues, including normalisation and how to deal with delivery to non-EAI compliant mail services. There’s an initiative to create a Good Practice Guide within the IETF structure. We didn’t get a chance to discuss this and how it might affect the work of the UASG. A thread in EAI mail group will be raised. There is an issue around IDNA & Unicode. There’s a need to create some critical mass within the IETF to move review and possible solutions forward. Community Outreach Influencers Group to include Universities. We didn’t get a chance to hear our usual update from ICANN IT, but their prepared slides are included. There’s a very good presentation (14) looking at the work being done in the Arabic Script community to measure UA compliance (similar to presentation 5). I would encourage people to review this when they get a chance. So, in summary: - THere’s good work happening in China, India and the Middle East - There’s good support for the work that the UASG is doing and no suggestions that we need to alter our course - People feel very well informed and are supportive of the work. Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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GAC UA Outreach
by Michael D. Palage Nov. 4, 2016

Nov. 4, 2016

Hello All, This is the specific issue that I raised during our UA session today. I believe this represents an opportunity for the UA to engage in a constructive dialog with the GAC as UA is clearing an issue for them. I think when the UA issue can be linked to those departments/branches associated with income/revenue it may catch their attention. Best regards, Michael

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Re: [UA-discuss] Presentations from UASG Workshop - November 3, 2016
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis Nov. 3, 2016

Nov. 3, 2016

Don, Great workshop! I’m very excited about the progress the UASG community has made thus far. Congratulation to you and all of us ☺ I’d like to make one clarification on bullet #2 since I was the one that brought the topic about search engines and IDNs. It is not so much about whether IDNs are ranked or not in search results, which depends on business logic by the search engine companies but more so on how IDNs are displayed in search results. There are some search engines, most notably Baidu, that displays IDNs in the punycode form rather than using Unicode. In my opinion, this is the issue worth investigating. Thanks, -Dennis From: <ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org> on behalf of Don Hollander <don.hollander(a)icann.org> Date: Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 9:34 AM To: "UA-discuss(a)icann.org" <UA-discuss(a)icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] Presentations from UASG Workshop - November 3, 2016 Please find attached the PDF’s of the presentations given during the UASG Workshop in India. Some key points from the meeting: 1. There is significant amount of work being done in terms of UA and EAI. Work in India and in China is impressive. See particularly presentations 05 & 10 2. The community asked to see whether IDN TLD ranking in search engine results are affected by their being IDNs and if so to see if we can determine if these are conscious or inadvertent affects. If they are inadvertent events then we will actively reach out to Search Engines to bring the issue to their attention. 3. The Programming Language Review Criteria has been circulated and we are encouraging people to either respond directly or pass it to their programming teams for their consideration. 4. The Beta version of an Automated Evaluation Tool produced by Zensar was very well received. (http://ua-analyser.zensar.com/web-crawler/home) They will circulate the criteria that they’ve applied in their evaluation for comment and refinement. 5. Significant discussions occurred around EAI * Regrettably, we ran out of time for a substantive discussion around EAI. I’m wondering if there would be enough interest in finding some space on Monday afternoon. Please let me know (off list) if you’d like me to try to find some space. (See presentations 10, 10a, 10b, & 10c) * It was heartening to hear of the launch of xgenplus’ EAI capable platform. * There needs to be discussion among practitioners on how to deal with a variety of issues, including normalisation and how to deal with delivery to non-EAI compliant mail services. * There’s an initiative to create a Good Practice Guide within the IETF structure. We didn’t get a chance to discuss this and how it might affect the work of the UASG. A thread in EAI mail group will be raised. 1. There is an issue around IDNA & Unicode. There’s a need to create some critical mass within the IETF to move review and possible solutions forward. 2. Community Outreach Influencers Group to include Universities. 3. We didn’t get a chance to hear our usual update from ICANN IT, but their prepared slides are included. There’s a very good presentation (14) looking at the work being done in the Arabic Script community to measure UA compliance (similar to presentation 5). I would encourage people to review this when they get a chance. So, in summary: - THere’s good work happening in China, India and the Middle East - There’s good support for the work that the UASG is doing and no suggestions that we need to alter our course - People feel very well informed and are supportive of the work. Don Hollander Universal Acceptance Steering Group Skype: don_hollander

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Unicode Consortium pitch
by Dave Crocker Nov. 3, 2016

Nov. 3, 2016

Just to add this into the list record: At the Unicode Consortium yesterday I did a very quick pitch about the Universal Access effort, during the Lighting Talks session. Main goal was to put the URL uasg.tech into their brains. I suggest formulating a couple of standard powerpoint packages, for introducing people to the topic. One of perhaps 3-5 slides and one with some more detail. (I was going to use a few slides from the SAT-UA-@-AfDNSF presentation that is online, but the projector wasn't working.) d/ ps. I was introduced to the topic of Unicode 25 years ago, during the development of MIME and we spent months listening to a few character/writing experts debate what we should do. It convinced me and some others that a) we should just package and label, which is what MIME does, and b) this topic was far too complicated for me to get my brain around. So I went to one of the tutorials 2 days ago and discovered that my assessment of the topic's complexity severely underestimated things... On the other hand, this seems to be a pretty tight-knit and happy community. -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net

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