March 2015 - UA-discuss - lists.iana.org

Speakers for IGF in Brazil
by Kurt Pritz March 27, 2015

March 27, 2015

Hi Everyone: The UASG members that volunteered to work on a Universal Acceptance IGF Workshop proposal met and discussed a strategy for putting together a winning proposal. While speakers do not have to be named at this stage we think it is important that prospective speakers be named. I am writing to ask for nominations for potential speakers. Here is what we think is the best approach. As I said, the IGF does not require that speakers be named at this stage because the event is not until November. If we do name them now, it is possible to change them later. (The IGF recognizes it is a long way until November.) However, we think that naming prospective speakers now would facilitate acceptance of our proposal for two reasons: it reflects planning, and it will allow us to highlight our pursuit of the meeting theme: inclusiveness and diversity. Given that, we are looking for potential speakers with an understanding and experience dealing with UA issues plus some of the following attributes: From a developing country Technical understanding of and experience with IDN / EAI UA issues Communications professional with experience with our target audiences Experience dealing with UA inside one's own company Solving ASCII UA issues New to IGF To us, the ideal speakers would be from developing countries and one or more of the attributes that follow that first one. This would give us the greatest chance at acceptance and matching the needs of many in the audience. I don't think we need to restrict ourselves to only those who are already planning to attend the meeting so nominate whoever you think would be great. While we think we will put IDN issues first, it is just as important that we address ASCII UA issues also, so there should be a mix at the table. I understand that not all speakers will be from developing countries. We will be using a modified roundtable format so long formal presentations are not required. The link to more information is at http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/workshop-proposals/igf-guidelines-for-worksh…. Please let me know your ideas right away, the deadline (30 Mar) is fast approaching. I can bring you or your proposed speaker up to speed. If you give me names, I can follow up with them directly. Regards, Kurt

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Internationalization volunteer
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis March 19, 2015

March 19, 2015

Dear UASG, et al I’d like to volunteer for the Internationalization Project Group and respectfully ask to be considered for the coordinator role. Best, Dennis SOI: https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=46498519# “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.”

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All UA Mailing Lists now available for subscription
by Don Hollander March 18, 2015

March 18, 2015

All the Universal Acceptance Project Group Mailing Lists are now available for subscription. Please self-subscribe to those where you have interest. If you are having trouble subscribing, just let me know and we’ll take care of it. Please also encourage those you know who are interested in the subject but not yet involved to also subscribe. Don Broad Discussion Forum – This is the existing list. https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-discuss Top Issues & Technical Solutions https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-priority-issues Community Outreach (the existing communications mailing list will be used) https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-comms Internationalisation https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-international Measurement and Monitoring https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-Measurement <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-Measurement>

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Notes from the Call on 2015-03-12
by Don Hollander March 18, 2015

March 18, 2015

Please find attached a PDF of the notes from the call last week. Please note the following: 1) These will be published on the ICANN UA Wiki soon 2) The mailing lists are being created. Two are available now and the others will be available soon. 3) The final version of the Charter will be published on the ICANN UA Wiki soon. It is also attached here. The principle actions are: 1) Subscribe to the mailing lists that you’re interested in 2) Think about the actions that you would like to participate in and the actions that you think need to be performed. 3) Review the notes to see if there are any errors and advice me. Thank you. Don

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Raising awareness: 39th i18n & Unicode conference
by Tan Tanaka, Dennis March 18, 2015

March 18, 2015

The upcoming Internationalization and Unicode Conference (Oct 2015) is calling for participation. It might be a good venue to continue awareness efforts of UA. -Dennis “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.”

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Odg: Re: IGF Workshop Proposal: Universal Acceptance
by Dusan Stojicevic March 13, 2015

March 13, 2015

Another YES. We should do it. Regards, Dusan Poslato iz Samsung MobileEdmon Chung <edmon(a)registry.asia> je napisao/la:Yes we should do it. I think we can try to target the government community at the IGF. Edmon From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Pritz Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2015 4:05 PM To: UA-discuss(a)icann.org Subject: [UA-discuss] IGF Workshop Proposal: Universal Acceptance Dear UA Steering Group Team: The Internet Governance Forum (IGF) is soliciting Workshop Proposals for its November 2015 meeting in Brazil. I recommend that the ICANN UASG and the DNA jointly propose a workshop on Universal Acceptance. This seems like a good audience to promote UA awareness. Last year's IGF had about 2400 onsite participants, including about 25% from governments & IGOs, 25% private sector, and 110 participants from media. I understand that the private sector representatives includes many Fortune 500 companies. There is little overlap with the ICANN crowd. The responsibilities are to write the proposal according to the IGF-furnished outline (including identification of speakers), get the speakers to the meeting, and report on the proceedings. There is no fee for sponsorship. I read the proposal requirements and evaluation criteria - I and members of the DNA Tech and Marketing Committees (along with any UASG members who volunteer) can write the proposal, which is due at the end of March. The UASG and DNA can easily bring excellent speakers to the panel. Proposals must support the IGF themes each year. About 1 in 3 proposals get accepted but I think UA falls under a number of the themes for this IGF, they are: – Cybersecurity and Trust; – Internet Economy; – Inclusiveness and Diversity; – Openness; – Enhancing Multistakeholder Cooperation; – Internet and Human Rights; – Critical Internet Resources; – Emerging Issues. Please share your thoughts. If you agree with this proposal, you might write how we should organize this effort. Also state if you wish to volunteer to help draft a proposal. If we do make a proposal, the types of expertise required for the speaking panel will be identified and UASG members can volunteer for that at that time. More information can be found at: http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/ (second item on the page). Thanks & Regards, Kurt Kurt Pritz The DNA +1-310-400-4184

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Would this be in scope or not?
by Edward Lewis March 13, 2015

March 13, 2015

While listening to a presentation on UA given to staff, an issue related to internationalized email addresses came back to my mind. I haven't been tracking UA for a few months now, focusing on other projects. I learned of this list and flipped quickly through the archives. So may be my concern isn't quite on-topic. I mean, this is not about getting software to properly handle the spectrum of Unicode characters. Taking a step back, ICANN is about identifiers, and we are striving towards a globally available system that features uniqueness in the mapping of identifiers to "reality." (One of the core concerns about IDNA 2008 is that the mapping from what's-on-a-business-card to whats-in-the-DNS is two-way and repeatable.) Specifically this has been about domain names but by extension through Universal Acceptance, email addresses. Along those lines I have been thinking about they increasing use of email addresses as identifiers for just about all on-line sites. Stores, utilities, and more seriously, medical professionals have made me think of this, as well as the option to either 1) get a free identifier 2) get one tied to your ISP/utility or 3) create your own. I've come to be a bit afraid about stability of this system. On one hand, the identifier I use is used in many places and in many ways, hence changing it is a pain. On the other hand, who guarantees that the identifier will last "long enough" and not change hands if I (or an executor) don't maintain it. The standard for the mailbox name (as in mailbox@domainname) is that the treatment of the mailbox name is up to the domain name. "Dots" are immaterial to mail operators (which has proven to be a surprise), the "+" might be treated specially, etc. I squirm when I think that there's a desire to think of email names as global and unique. So, in a way, it seems like the wrong foundation for an ICANN effort. (Languages have had to adopt '@' already. Not sure about '+' and other syntactic sugar in mailbox names. Yet I understand the "killer" app necessity of IDN email for the new TLDs. I totally get that, and I bet so do the members of the list, so I won't belabor the point. The question though is - how to you build a castle on sand? It's not clear to me that ICANN could drive a standard handling of mailbox names, I think that would be quixotic. Then again maybe tackling mailbox names isn't necessary, maybe all we really need to do is get clients to work with an expanded definition of what a mailbox name is. (Lurking in me is the thought of "variants" and how they might cause trouble in mailbox names if there's no canonical form as defined in IDNA 2008 for domain names.) Ed Lewis Senior Technologist, Office of CTO

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Fwd: ICANN LAC News Letter
by Don Hollander March 11, 2015

March 11, 2015

Dear UASG folks: Please find attached the ICANN Latin America & Caribbean (LAC) newsletter - which features an article on Universal Acceptance. Don >

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2nd Conference Call - UA Steering Group
by Don Hollander March 11, 2015

March 11, 2015

Thank you for those who have replied to the Doodle Poll to find a convenient time to gather around a telephone (or computer). It appears that 22:00 UTC on Wednesday is the most convenient. Please find attached another copy of the agenda. (I have heard of no suggestions to alter it).

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AUTO: Ahmed Bakhat Masood is out of the office. (returning 03/12/2015)
by Ahmed Bakhat Masood March 10, 2015

March 10, 2015

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Community Outreach Project Group
by Lars Steffen March 10, 2015

March 10, 2015

The agenda by Don (thank you!) shows, that the working groups still need staffing. So I would like to offer my support. My name is Lars Steffen (www.linkedin.com/in/larssteffen) and I am currently working for eco Association of the German Internet Industry (www.international.eco.de) With around 800 member companies, it is the largest internet industry association in Europe. Together with Thomas Rickert, who some of you know from GNSO and CCWG, I am responsible for the eco Names & Numbers Forum as a Member Services Manager based in Cologne, Germany. The eco Names & Numbers Forum unites world-wide more than 120 registries, registrars, resellers, secondary market companies and consultants from the domain industry (www.numbers.eco.de/international.html) To represent the interests of our members from the domain industry, we are active in a range of committees, including EuroISPA (European Internet Service Providers Association), ICANN (GNSO, ISPCP, ICG, CCWG), IETF, IGF and EuroDIG. eco also runs DE-CIX (www.de-cix.net) the worlds leading Internet exchange point and the Certified Senders Alliance (www.certified-senders.eu) With this background of valuable networks and due to the fact that UA is a very important issue for a respectable number of eco members, I´d like to join the Community Outreach Project Group to contribute Business community & consumer outreach. After working for eco for 15 months and attending three ICANN meetings so far, for me this will be the first engagement in an ICANN working group. So I will both try to do my best supporting the UASGs goals and appreciate any advice for ICANN rookies :) Before joining eco I worked six years for a smaller ISP and Registrar/Reseller iWelt AG in Franconia, Germany (www.iwelt.de) in different positions: head of Marketing/Communications, head of Web Development, head of Sales.

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e-mail Archives of this list are now public...
by Don Hollander March 9, 2015

March 9, 2015

Further to the action item from the last conference call and subsequent notification to this list, without objection, the archives are now publicly available. The archives are now publicly available http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ua-discuss/ Don

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Doodle Poll for Conference call and Updated Agenda
by Don Hollander March 7, 2015

March 7, 2015

There been some confusion (on my part) about the time zone for the last Doodle Poll. So, to be clear, attached please find a link to a revised poll based on UTC: http://doodle.com/pq2nzkmcqvcc5pwh Also attached is a revised DRAFT Agenda. Please note that there is no time shown. That is the purpose of the Doodle Poll. Please also note the following: - The deadline for comments on the draft Charter has passed and Christian has taken the comments and suggestions into account to produce what may be the final version. - There is still time to put forward a nomination for one of the leadership positions - The mailing list archives will be made public since I’ve heard no objection. - There is already an ICANN Wiki - https://community.icann.org/display/TUA/TLD+Universal+Acceptance+Home and it has been going for quite a long time. - I now have an ICANN e-mail address. don.hollander(a)icann.org<mailto:don.hollander@icann.org> My old e-mail address still works. Don

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Re: [UA-discuss] Candidate SOIs - Edmon
by Edmon Chung March 7, 2015

March 7, 2015

For me: ========================= Edmon Chung ========================= I am currently serving as the CEO of DotAsia Organisation, which is the Sponsoring Organization for the ".ASIA" gTLD. DotAsia is a not-for-profit organisation with an open membership to ccTLDs in the Asia Pacific region, e.g. .CN, .JP, .KR, .IN, .IR, .NZ, etc., some are members of the ccNSO and/or GAC, and regional internet organizations, e.g. APNIC, APTLD, APRALO, APNG, APCERT, etc., APNIC is an RIR, APTLD is an observer at ccNSO and APRALO is a RALO of At-Large (http://www.dot.asia/dotasia-organisation/community-governance/#dotasiamembe rs). DotAsia is a major shareholder of: Namesphere Holdings Ltd., which has shareholdings and/or serve as a registry service provider for a number of new gTLDs; and, HNET.Asia Ltd. which is the registry operator for the .MO ccTLD for Macau. I am also serving as a director for Internet Society Hong Kong (ISOC HK). ISOC HK is an ALS in APRALO and also serves as its secretariat. From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Richard Merdinger Sent: Friday, March 6, 2015 6:30 AM To: Christian Dawson; UA-discuss(a)icann.org Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Candidate SOIs - CHRISTIAN DAWSON And mine here. https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Richard+Merdinger+SOI Best, --Rich Richard Merdinger VP, Domains e: <mailto:rmerdinger@godaddy.com> rmerdinger(a)godaddy.com s: richard.merdinger m: 319.530.4100 From: ua-discuss-bounces(a)icann.org <mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Christian Dawson Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:27 AM To: UA-discuss(a)icann.org <mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: [UA-discuss] Candidate SOIs - CHRISTIAN DAWSON Colleagues, Candidates have been requested to provide links to their Statements of Interest. Mine is here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Christian+Dawson+SOI Thanks! Christian Dawson Chairman & Co-founder Internet Infrastructure Coalition (i2C) c: 703 623 2612 <http://i2coalition.com/> http://i2coalition.com PGP: 22DF5493 Fingerprint: 7C95 A3BE 1E10 4864 8417 DCED B9E1 C8FD 22DF 5493

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Draft Agenda
by Don Hollander March 6, 2015

March 6, 2015

With Christian now working to finalise the Draft Charter and nominations still open for the leadership position, it will be useful to develop the agenda for next week’s call. I offer the following as a point of departure: Attendance and Apologies Review of notes and action points from the previous call Review of Draft Charter Review of leadership position nominations and procedures going forward Review and populating of the working groups. Other Your contribution would be most welcome. Don Hollander

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Candidate SOIs - CHRISTIAN DAWSON
by Christian Dawson March 5, 2015

March 5, 2015

Colleagues, Candidates have been requested to provide links to their Statements of Interest. Mine is here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Christian+Dawson+SOI <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Christian+Dawson+SOI> Thanks! Christian Dawson Chairman & Co-founder Internet Infrastructure Coalition (i2C) c: 703 623 2612 http://i2coalition.com <http://i2coalition.com/> PGP: 22DF5493 Fingerprint: 7C95 A3BE 1E10 4864 8417 DCED B9E1 C8FD 22DF 5493

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Candidate SOI - Ram Mohan
by Ram Mohan March 5, 2015

March 5, 2015

Here is mine: https://www.icann.org/profiles/ram-mohan Ram is an Employee Officer of Afilias, which is a contracted party with ICANN and which is under contract for services to registry operators that are under contract to ICANN. Ram is the president of the Philadelphia chapter of the Internet Society. Afilias is the registry service provider for the Public Interest Registry, operator of .ORG, .NGO, .ONG and several IDN TLDs. Ram’s sister-in-law is the owner and CEO of a small boutique ICANN accredited registrar. Afilias is a minority shareholder in ICM Registry, Inc. Afilias is involved in some way in numerous new gTLD applications. -Ram *From:* Christian Dawson [mailto:dawson@i2coalition.com] *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 11:27 AM *To:* UA-discuss(a)icann.org *Subject:* [UA-discuss] Candidate SOIs - CHRISTIAN DAWSON Colleagues, Candidates have been requested to provide links to their Statements of Interest. Mine is here: https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Christian+Dawson+SOI Thanks! Christian Dawson *Chairman & Co-founder* Internet Infrastructure Coalition (i2C) c: 703 623 2612 http://i2coalition.com PGP: 22DF5493 Fingerprint: 7C95 A3BE 1E10 4864 8417 DCED B9E1 C8FD 22DF 5493

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Regarding "RTL"
by Mark Svancarek March 3, 2015

March 3, 2015

Hi, I had some questions regarding my recent usage of the term “RTL”. By this I mean “right to left”, a characteristic of Arabic and Hebrew. At Microsoft we also call this “bidi” (bidirectional). Here’s a discussion regarding RTL. (I’ve also attached a much more detailed explanation, which includes Microsoft’s recommendations, but it’s in PowerPoint. Hopefully you already use a compatible viewer.) Bidi display of IRIs (URLs/URIs) Bidirectional display of IRIs (an IRI with some Right-To-Left characters, eg: Arabic) has some odd quirks. There’s an IETF WG working on creating an IRI RFC. It’d be nice if we could help ensure that there were reasonable standards for the display of bidi IRIs. The existing IRI drafts suggest using the Unicode Bidi Algorithm to display IRIs, but that has some problems. User and government feedback indicates that our current behavior is a bit unexpected. Currently we have some odd quirks about the display of Bidi IRIs in Microsoft. This is just an example, other places may have different odd quirks. Logical Order IE with LTR context IE with RTL context http://www.microsoft.com http://www.microsoft.com http://www.microsoft.com http://اا1اا.بب2بب.ةة3ةة http://اا1اا.بب2بب.ةة3ةة http://اا1اا.بب2بب.ةة3ةة http://a1a.اا2اا.بب3بب.d4d http://a1a.اا2اا.بب3بب.d4d http://a1a.اا2اا.بب3بب.d4d http://اا1اا.b2b.c3c.بب4بب http://اا1اا.b2b.c3c.بب4بب http://اا1اا.b2b.c3c.بب4بب As we can see, the order of some of the elements may seem counter-intuitive. The highlighted sections start in one direction, but then jump or rearrange direction so that the elements don’t follow the same order. The Unicode Bidi algorithm has the idea that some characters aren’t inherently RTL or LTR. Instead they take on the properties of the characters surrounding them. This is why some pairs get “flipped” in the rendered order. User Expectations Limited usability investigations have demonstrated that users expect IRIs and other paths to be in the form of an ordered list. The “separators” of the various fields vary, but the entire unit is treated as a list. E.g.: http://www.microsoft.com is a list { “http”, “www”, “microsoft”, “com” }. Users expect it to be rendered “in order” with the first element, then second, etc. What is a bit unclear is exactly which direction the users expect the lists to be rendered in. There seem to be 2 main options for what users expect: · Always render the path elements from Left to Right (e.g. “www.microsoft.com<http://www.microsoft.com>”) regardless of the script. · Always render the path elements from Right to Left in a Bidi context (application), e.g.: “com.microsoft.www//:http”, EVEN FOR ASCII IRIs. We need to confirm what the user expectations are for Bidi Display, and ensure that any edits to IETF IRI standards match those expectations.

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UASG Draft Charter
by Christian Dawson March 3, 2015

March 3, 2015

Colleagues, Here is a link to a copy of a UASG Draft Charter for community review. The ability to comment has been turned on. The ability to directly edit the document has been turned off for now. The goal at this stage isn’t to wordsmith the Charter but to discuss its scope and core concepts. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Y6AkpPjlCHBw50sfFXIegTuEOCeeXfv1l_tp4… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D4Y6AkpPjlCHBw50sfFXIegTuEOCeeXfv1l_tp4…> I hope this is a good jumping off point for a successful UASG. See you all on the call in a few minutes. All the best, Christian Dawson Chairman & Co-founder Internet Infrastructure Coalition (i2C) c: 703 623 2612 http://i2coalition.com <http://i2coalition.com/> PGP: 26F8DBD8 Fingerprint: 35A1 12C9 8CBC 8F72 3706 52EA 23F2 CA0C 26F8 DBD8

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