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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com April 6, 2012

April 6, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Jacqueline. por favor, comprenda mi Punto de vista, abre tu mente, no es un documento legal posición. normas y procesos necesita una actualización permanente. Todo esto debido a la evolución y los problemas que surgen en el movimiento para el futuro. cambios se produce. Sé que hay Grupo de Trabajo en curso, le da más sentido a lo que digo. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > CC: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Carlos, > Please... > Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents, > and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the > actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has > been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited. > To try to make a change now is passing strange. What about the other > ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even > all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to > the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA > meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and > immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any > courtesy email being sent. > Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon > accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first > RALOs were formed. > > Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of > transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in > progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than > one. > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre > <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of > > view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a > > certain > > process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote > > of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be > > it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is > > TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency - > > > > Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or > > something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws > > rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in > > many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my > > point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage > > of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests. > > > > I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents > > point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many > > others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization. > > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > > former ALAC member by LACRALO > > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400 > > > >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > >> To: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com > >> CC: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > >> > >> Jose > >> Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true. > >> > >> The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain > >> process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. > >> That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote > >> ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and > >> hence part of the RALO structure. > >> As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at > >> the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such > >> vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of > >> the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to > >> whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating > >> ALSes in the RALO system. > >> > >> So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by > >> ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to > >> participate, and did so. > >> > >> It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the > >> Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and > >> supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that > >> explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the > >> process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not. > >> > >> Jacqueline A. Morris > >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce > >> <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and > >> > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in > >> > Costa > >> > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional > >> > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was > >> > aprove, > >> > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be > >> > possible > >> > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no > >> > reason > >> > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and > >> > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity > >> > was > >> > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been > >> > there. > >> > > >> > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list > >> > adressing > >> > this issue to formalize it. > >> > > >> > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this. > >> > > >> > Kind Regards > >> > > >> > Jose Arce.- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is > >> >> important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end > >> >> users in > >> >> the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and > >> >> give the > >> >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify > >> >> the > >> >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can > >> >> participate > >> >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end > >> >> users > >> >> and the transparency needed is not completed. > >> >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos > >> >> Dionisio > >> >> Aguirre > >> >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > >> >> former ALAC member by LACRALO > >> >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > >> >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > >> >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > >> >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 > >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > >> >> To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > >> >> CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com > >> >> > >> >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I > >> >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well > >> >> as > >> >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the > >> >> ALAC > >> >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a > >> >> courtesy. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but > >> >> rather, a > >> >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her > >> >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason > >> >> as > >> >> well. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> My $0.02 > >> >> Jacqueline > >> >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" > >> >> <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon > >> >> in > >> >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous > >> >> notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this > >> >> case > >> >> and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your > >> >> participatíon > >> >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must > >> >> be > >> >> revised. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do > >> >> the > >> >> correct things. > >> >> > >> >> And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Carlos Aguirre. > >> >> > >> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> > >> >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com> > >> >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 > >> >> > >> >> To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >> >> > >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the > >> >> general > >> >> > >> >> assembly and it was dealt with then. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the > >> >> > >> >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or > >> >> staff > >> >> > >> >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify > >> >> > >> >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay > >> >> (i'm > >> >> > >> >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this > >> >> email. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Regards > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Cintra > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> > >> >> > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of > >> >> > >> >> > acceptance of this > >> >> > >> >> > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just > >> >> > something > >> >> > >> >> > is not clear when it comes to transparency > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > JosOvidio Salgueiro A. > >> >> > >> >> > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > >> >> > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> >> > >> >> > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf > >> >> > Of > >> >> > >> >> > ICANN > >> >> > >> >> > At-Large Staff > >> >> > >> >> > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm > >> >> > >> >> > To: Cintra Sooknanan > >> >> > >> >> > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev > >> >> > Anand > >> >> > >> >> > Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; > >> >> > >> >> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier > >> >> > MJ > >> >> > >> >> > Crepin-Leblond > >> >> > >> >> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Dear Cintra Sooknanan: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You > >> >> > That > >> >> > >> >> > (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been > >> >> > certified > >> >> > as > >> >> > >> >> > an > >> >> > >> >> > At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups > >> >> > >> >> > Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward > >> >> > to > >> >> > >> >> > working > >> >> > >> >> > with you and your colleagues. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your > >> >> > organization > >> >> > >> >> > meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at > >> >> > the > >> >> > >> >> > local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization > >> >> > will > >> >> > >> >> > Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN > >> >> > Efforts > >> >> > >> >> > That > >> >> > >> >> > Affect end-users. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship > >> >> > >> >> > Between > >> >> > >> >> > organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and > >> >> > your > >> >> > >> >> > input > >> >> > >> >> > on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep > >> >> > your > >> >> > >> >> > ITS > >> >> > >> >> > Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN > >> >> > on > >> >> > >> >> > ICANN > >> >> > >> >> > Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to > >> >> > >> >> > Identifying the names staff(a)atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of > >> >> > one > >> >> > >> >> > or > >> >> > >> >> > Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and > >> >> > >> >> > correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, > >> >> > please > >> >> > let > >> >> > >> >> > us > >> >> > >> >> > know. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for > >> >> > each > >> >> > ' > >> >> > >> >> > region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: > >> >> > >> >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of > >> >> > contact > >> >> > >> >> > you > >> >> > >> >> > Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for > >> >> > >> >> > regions > >> >> > >> >> > Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list > >> >> > for > >> >> > >> >> > Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you > >> >> > are > >> >> > >> >> > Others Invited to join as you wish. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - ALS information. Information about your organization will be > >> >> > shared > >> >> > with > >> >> > >> >> > the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your > >> >> > group's > >> >> > >> >> > Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other > >> >> > groups > >> >> > >> >> > ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please > >> >> > complete > >> >> > >> >> > and email the form at the bottom of This note to > >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org > >> >> > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users > >> >> > >> >> > individually. We > >> >> > >> >> > Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies > >> >> > on > >> >> > >> >> > Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto > >> >> > information. > >> >> > >> >> > Translations of > >> >> > >> >> > documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to > >> >> > >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also > >> >> > Have > >> >> > >> >> > Been > >> >> > >> >> > to distribute information (including in local languages) on > >> >> > Activities, > >> >> > >> >> > events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. > >> >> > These > >> >> > are > >> >> > >> >> > maintained by the community. They are: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > African Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > European Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Latin America / Caribbean Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > North American Region: > >> >> > >> >> > www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > We look forward to working with you and your organization's members > >> >> > to > >> >> > >> >> > Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If > >> >> > you > >> >> > >> >> > Have Any > >> >> > >> >> > questions, or need additional information, please contact us at > >> >> > >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Sincerely, > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > The At-Large Advisory Committee > >> >> > >> >> > www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> > >> >> > >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > --------------------------- > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Name: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your > >> >> > >> >> > membership): > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Mission: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Member benefits: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional): > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Website: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Other (additional informational you would like included): > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/2b0660576c.html --]]

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Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el cap�tulo de certificaci�n
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo de certificación De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com sí, pero lo que pasa cuando no hace su trabajo? ¿Qué pasa cuando el ELA es sólo un sello de goma? cual es la defensa de los usuarios finales en estos casos? Fortalecimiento de Capacidades en San José era bueno ... Supongo. Hubiera sido mejor para completar los objetivos fijados para nuestra Asamblea General. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org. > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:33:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter certification > From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Isn't the job of the ALSes to take information to their members/end > users and get feedback and send that through to ALAC? So the way for > end users to do exactly what you are asking for is for the ALS to > publicise the information and ask for feedback. Isn't that what your > ALS does? That is the logic behind the RALO structure. > That's how the due diligence is supposed to be done, and how ALSes > have also functioned in regard to these applications... send the info > out, ask for feedback, summarise it and feed it into the regional > advice, or directly to ALAC. > > Seems to me that capacity building and the work of ALSes was something > that we should have spent a LOT more time on in San Jose! > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:01 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre > <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting. > > Something to be revised, in my humble point of view. > > The question is: When the Individual end user of LAC region could make observation to the procedure on the ALS applications?. > > Today, only the ALSs and Staff can analize application forms, I think we need to extend the due dilligence to every individual end user (thirds party) who want to say something over ALS applications. > > I think This is a truly Transparency & could give solution to few our problems on this sense. When everybody know about what happen and can give opinion, for this is needed the real & effective communication of facts for all, and not only for the actors. > > My position on this point, is general and abstract and nothing have to do directly with the T&T ISOC application . > > A thought in a loud voice: What excellent lost opportunity was the GA in Costa Rica to change & to make better our OPs. > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > > former ALAC member by LACRALO > > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > >> From: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > >> To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:23:59 -0700 > >> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter certification > >> > >> Dear All, > >> > >> The Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was certified on 14-Mar-2012 at the At-Large Regional Leadership Meeting which took place from 12:30 - 14:00, while the first LACRALO General Assembly was 14-Mar-2012 from 17:00-18:00. > >> > >> To clarify, once the ALAC approves an applicant, the applicant is accredited. > >> > >> The email welcoming the Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was simply a courtesy email welcoming the ALS to At-Large. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine > >> ICANN At-Large Staff > >> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-es mailing list > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > > > http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/fdc1820a58.html --]]

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Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el cap�tulo de certificaci�n
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo de certificación De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com ¿No es el trabajo de los ALS para llevar la información a sus miembros o finales los usuarios y obtener retroalimentación y enviar que a través de ALAC? Así el camino para los usuarios finales para hacer exactamente lo que usted está pidiendo es para la ELA a dar a conocer la información y pedirle su opinión. ¿No es eso lo que su ELA hace? Esa es la lógica detrás de la estructura RALO. Así es como la diligencia debida se supone que debe hacerse, y cómo ALS también han funcionado en lo que respecta a estas aplicaciones ... enviar la información a cabo, pedir información, sintetizarla e introdúzcalo en la región asesoramiento, o directamente a la ALAC. Me parece que la creación de capacidades y el trabajo de ALS era algo que debería haber pasado mucho más tiempo en la de San José! Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicua, necesaria, invisible y Gratis. (AfterChris Lehmann) El Jue, 05 de abril 2012 a las 7:01 PM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> escribió: > > > Interesting. > Something to be revised, in my humble point of view. > The question is: When the Individual end user of LAC region could make observation to the procedure on the ALS applications?. > Today, only the ALSs and Staff can analize application forms, I think we need to extend the due dilligence to every individual end user (thirds party) who want to say something over ALS applications. > I think This is a truly Transparency & could give solution to few our problems on this sense. When everybody know about what happen and can give opinion, for this is needed the real & effective communication of facts for all, and not only for the actors. > My position on this point, is general and abstract and nothing have to do directly with the T&T ISOC application . > A thought in a loud voice: What excellent lost opportunity was the GA in Costa Rica to change & to make better our OPs. > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > >> From: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:23:59 -0700 >> Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter certification >> >> Dear All, >> >> The Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was certified on 14-Mar-2012 at the At-Large Regional Leadership Meeting which took place from 12:30 - 14:00, while the first LACRALO General Assembly was 14-Mar-2012 from 17:00-18:00. >> >> To clarify, once the ALAC approves an applicant, the applicant is accredited. >> >> The email welcoming the Internet Society Trinidad and Tobago Chapter was simply a courtesy email welcoming the ALS to At-Large. >> >> Regards, >> >> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie Peregrine >> ICANN At-Large Staff >> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/4bd52c1030.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Carlos, Por favor ... Lea las reglas, el proceso de lectura, leer los archivos, los antecedentes, y leer la respuesta del personal. No es sólo mi Punto de vista, es la proceso real. Se pone en un lenguaje sencillo, no jerga legal. Tiene ha seguido para cada uno de ALS que actualmente acreditado. Para tratar de hacer un cambio ahora está pasando extraño. ¿Qué pasa con la otra ALS que hayan sido acreditados en la misma reunión el 14 de marzo, o incluso todos los otros ALS acreditadas. Por ejemplo, podemos referirnos a de la AF y el Ralo de la UE en las reuniones de Lisboa en 2007, o la de ALC y NA reuniones en San Juan también en 2007, en la que fueron acreditados y ALS de inmediato participó en las reuniones y decisiones sin ningún tipo de mensaje de cortesía que se envía. O cualquiera de los otros ALS que nunca recibieron un mensaje de cortesía al acreditación, ya que este proceso no se encontraba en el lugar hasta después de la primera RALO se formaron. Por supuesto, si usted desea poner en práctica dichas normas, en aras de la la transparencia como usted dice, hay grupos que trabajan actualmente en el progreso que está buscando en este tipo de cosas. Únete a uno o más de una. Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicua, necesaria, invisible y Gratis. (AfterChris Lehmann) El Jue, 05 de abril 2012 a las 5:36 PM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> escribió: > > > Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of > view. On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a > certain > process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote > of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be > it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is > TRANSPARENCY ! - a true transparency - > > Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or > something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws > rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in > many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my > point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage > of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests. > > I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions and differents > point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many > others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization. > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com >> To: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com >> CC: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> >> Jose >> Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true. >> >> The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain >> process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. >> That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote >> ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and >> hence part of the RALO structure. >> As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at >> the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such >> vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of >> the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to >> whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating >> ALSes in the RALO system. >> >> So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by >> ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to >> participate, and did so. >> >> It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the >> Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and >> supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that >> explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the >> process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not. >> >> Jacqueline A. Morris >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce >> <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and >> > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in >> > Costa >> > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional >> > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was >> > aprove, >> > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be >> > possible >> > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no >> > reason >> > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and >> > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity >> > was >> > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been >> > there. >> > >> > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list >> > adressing >> > this issue to formalize it. >> > >> > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this. >> > >> > Kind Regards >> > >> > Jose Arce.- >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is >> >> important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end >> >> users in >> >> the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and >> >> give the >> >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify >> >> the >> >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can >> >> participate >> >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end >> >> users >> >> and the transparency needed is not completed. >> >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos >> >> Dionisio >> >> Aguirre >> >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN >> >> former ALAC member by LACRALO >> >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios >> >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - >> >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 >> >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org >> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com >> >> To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com >> >> CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I >> >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well >> >> as >> >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the >> >> ALAC >> >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a >> >> courtesy. >> >> >> >> >> >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but >> >> rather, a >> >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her >> >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason >> >> as >> >> well. >> >> >> >> >> >> My $0.02 >> >> Jacqueline >> >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" >> >> <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon >> >> in >> >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous >> >> notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this >> >> case >> >> and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your >> >> participatíon >> >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must >> >> be >> >> revised. >> >> >> >> >> >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do >> >> the >> >> correct things. >> >> >> >> And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Carlos Aguirre. >> >> >> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 >> >> >> >> To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the >> >> general >> >> >> >> assembly and it was dealt with then. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the >> >> >> >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or >> >> staff >> >> >> >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify >> >> >> >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay >> >> (i'm >> >> >> >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this >> >> email. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cintra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> >> >> > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of >> >> >> >> > acceptance of this >> >> >> >> > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just >> >> > something >> >> >> >> > is not clear when it comes to transparency >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > JosOvidio Salgueiro A. >> >> >> >> > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> >> >> > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf >> >> > Of >> >> >> >> > ICANN >> >> >> >> > At-Large Staff >> >> >> >> > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm >> >> >> >> > To: Cintra Sooknanan >> >> >> >> > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev >> >> > Anand >> >> >> >> > Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; >> >> >> >> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier >> >> > MJ >> >> >> >> > Crepin-Leblond >> >> >> >> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Dear Cintra Sooknanan: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You >> >> > That >> >> >> >> > (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been >> >> > certified >> >> > as >> >> >> >> > an >> >> >> >> > At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups >> >> >> >> > Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward >> >> > to >> >> >> >> > working >> >> >> >> > with you and your colleagues. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your >> >> > organization >> >> >> >> > meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization >> >> > will >> >> >> >> > Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN >> >> > Efforts >> >> >> >> > That >> >> >> >> > Affect end-users. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship >> >> >> >> > Between >> >> >> >> > organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and >> >> > your >> >> >> >> > input >> >> >> >> > on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep >> >> > your >> >> >> >> > ITS >> >> >> >> > Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN >> >> > on >> >> >> >> > ICANN >> >> >> >> > Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to >> >> >> >> > Identifying the names staff(a)atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of >> >> > one >> >> >> >> > or >> >> >> >> > Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and >> >> >> >> > correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, >> >> > please >> >> > let >> >> >> >> > us >> >> >> >> > know. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for >> >> > each >> >> > ' >> >> >> >> > region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: >> >> >> >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of >> >> > contact >> >> >> >> > you >> >> >> >> > Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for >> >> >> >> > regions >> >> >> >> > Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list >> >> > for >> >> >> >> > Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you >> >> > are >> >> >> >> > Others Invited to join as you wish. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > - ALS information. Information about your organization will be >> >> > shared >> >> > with >> >> >> >> > the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your >> >> > group's >> >> >> >> > Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other >> >> > groups >> >> >> >> > ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please >> >> > complete >> >> >> >> > and email the form at the bottom of This note to >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org >> >> > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source >> >> >> >> >> >> > for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users >> >> >> >> > individually. We >> >> >> >> > Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies >> >> > on >> >> >> >> > Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto >> >> > information. >> >> >> >> > Translations of >> >> >> >> > documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to >> >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also >> >> > Have >> >> >> >> > Been >> >> >> >> > to distribute information (including in local languages) on >> >> > Activities, >> >> >> >> > events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. >> >> > These >> >> > are >> >> >> >> > maintained by the community. They are: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > African Region: >> >> >> >> > www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: >> >> >> >> > www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > European Region: >> >> >> >> > www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Latin America / Caribbean Region: >> >> >> >> > www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > North American Region: >> >> >> >> > www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > We look forward to working with you and your organization's members >> >> > to >> >> >> >> > Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If >> >> > you >> >> >> >> > Have Any >> >> >> >> > questions, or need additional information, please contact us at >> >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The At-Large Advisory Committee >> >> >> >> > www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> >> >> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > --------------------------- >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Name: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your >> >> >> >> > membership): >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Mission: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Member benefits: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional): >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Website: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Other (additional informational you would like included): >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/a0b9c78afb.html --]]

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Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el cap�tulo de certificaci�n
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo de certificación De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Queridos todos, La Sociedad de Internet de Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo fue certificado el 14-Mar-2012 en la Reunión de Liderazgo Regional At-Large, que se llevó a cabo de 12:30 - 14:00, mientras que la primera Asamblea General de LACRALO fue 14-Mar-2012 del 17: 00-18:00. Para aclarar, una vez que el ALAC aprueba un solicitante, el solicitante está acreditado. El correo electrónico de bienvenida a la Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo era simplemente un mensaje de cortesía la bienvenida a los ALS de At-Large. Un cordial saludo, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gruber Gisela, y Peregrine Nathalie ICANN At-Large Personal E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c05146ac32.html --]]

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Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el cap�tulo de certificaci�n
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo de certificación De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Queridos todos, La Sociedad de Internet de Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo fue certificado el 14-Mar-2012 en la Reunión de Liderazgo Regional At-Large, que se llevó a cabo de 12:30 - 14:00, mientras que la primera Asamblea General de LACRALO fue 14-Mar-2012 del 17: 00-18:00. Para aclarar, una vez que el ALAC aprueba un solicitante, el solicitante está acreditado. El correo electrónico de bienvenida a la Internet Society Trinidad y Tobago, el capítulo era simplemente un mensaje de cortesía la bienvenida a los ALS de At-Large. Un cordial saludo, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gruber Gisela, y Peregrine Nathalie ICANN At-Large Personal E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/5d863648bb.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Jaqueline: Lo que Carlos dijo es verdad! Sólo es distinta a su punto de vista. En el otro lado, las organizaciones solicitantes se convierte en una ALS a través de una cierta proceso. Ese proceso no termina, o al menos no podía acabar con el voto de la ALAC. Todo esto debido a que la comunicación de este acto, después de haber sido hecho, es ESENCIAL para dar publicidad (a todos) del mismo hecho. Esto es transparencia! - Una verdadera transparencia - Im muy interesado en mi participación en el futuro cercano, para crear un grupo de trabajo o algo así, se encarga de controlar y hacer a la interpretación de las normas de Estatutos y las normas de OP, porque hay muchas reglas incumplido o violado en muchas CCAA de ICANN / OE, y no hay sanciones por eso, esto es, en mi punto de vista, una grave situación de resolver. Estoy viendo un manejo muy extraño de las reglas y su uso a fin de satisfacer ciertos intereses. He aprendido en mi vida de la ICANN, que hay muchas opiniones y puntos de vista differentes, y no siempre es mi propia opinión es la mejor, tal vez muchos otros comprender esto. Estoy seguro de que podemos construir una mejor organización. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > To: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com > CC: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Jose > Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true. > > The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain > process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC. > That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote > ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and > hence part of the RALO structure. > As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at > the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such > vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of > the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to > whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating > ALSes in the RALO system. > > So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by > ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to > participate, and did so. > > It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the > Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and > supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that > explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the > process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not. > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce > <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and > > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa > > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional > > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove, > > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible > > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason > > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and > > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was > > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been > > there. > > > > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing > > this issue to formalize it. > > > > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this. > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Jose Arce.- > > > > > > > > > > > > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > >> > >> > >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is > >> important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in > >> the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the > >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the > >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate > >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users > >> and the transparency needed is not completed. > >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio > >> Aguirre > >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > >> former ALAC member by LACRALO > >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org > >> > >> > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 > >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > >> To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > >> CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com > >> > >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I > >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as > >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC > >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a > >> courtesy. > >> > >> > >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a > >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her > >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as > >> well. > >> > >> > >> My $0.02 > >> Jacqueline > >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" > >> <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in > >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous > >> notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case > >> and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon > >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be > >> revised. > >> > >> > >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the > >> correct things. > >> > >> And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. > >> > >> > >> > >> Carlos Aguirre. > >> > >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com> > >> > >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 > >> > >> To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >> > >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> > >> > >> > >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. > >> > >> > >> > >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general > >> > >> assembly and it was dealt with then. > >> > >> > >> > >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the > >> > >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff > >> > >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify > >> > >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm > >> > >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email. > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> > >> Cintra > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> > >> > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of > >> > >> > acceptance of this > >> > >> > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something > >> > >> > is not clear when it comes to transparency > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > JosOvidio Salgueiro A. > >> > >> > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> > >> > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > >> > >> > ICANN > >> > >> > At-Large Staff > >> > >> > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm > >> > >> > To: Cintra Sooknanan > >> > >> > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand > >> > >> > Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; > >> > >> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ > >> > >> > Crepin-Leblond > >> > >> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Dear Cintra Sooknanan: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You > >> > That > >> > >> > (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified > >> > as > >> > >> > an > >> > >> > At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups > >> > >> > Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to > >> > >> > working > >> > >> > with you and your colleagues. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization > >> > >> > meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at > >> > the > >> > >> > local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization > >> > will > >> > >> > Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts > >> > >> > That > >> > >> > Affect end-users. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship > >> > >> > Between > >> > >> > organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your > >> > >> > input > >> > >> > on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep > >> > your > >> > >> > ITS > >> > >> > Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on > >> > >> > ICANN > >> > >> > Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to > >> > >> > Identifying the names staff(a)atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of > >> > one > >> > >> > or > >> > >> > Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and > >> > >> > correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please > >> > let > >> > >> > us > >> > >> > know. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each > >> > ' > >> > >> > region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: > >> > >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact > >> > >> > you > >> > >> > Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for > >> > >> > regions > >> > >> > Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for > >> > >> > Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you > >> > are > >> > >> > Others Invited to join as you wish. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared > >> > with > >> > >> > the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's > >> > >> > Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other > >> > groups > >> > >> > ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please > >> > complete > >> > >> > and email the form at the bottom of This note to > >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org > >> > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source > >> > >> > >> > for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users > >> > >> > individually. We > >> > >> > Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on > >> > >> > Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto > >> > information. > >> > >> > Translations of > >> > >> > documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to > >> > >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have > >> > >> > Been > >> > >> > to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities, > >> > >> > events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These > >> > are > >> > >> > maintained by the community. They are: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > African Region: > >> > >> > www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: > >> > >> > www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > European Region: > >> > >> > www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Latin America / Caribbean Region: > >> > >> > www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > North American Region: > >> > >> > www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to > >> > >> > Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you > >> > >> > Have Any > >> > >> > questions, or need additional information, please contact us at > >> > >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Sincerely, > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > The At-Large Advisory Committee > >> > >> > www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> > >> > >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > --------------------------- > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Name: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your > >> > >> > membership): > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Mission: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Member benefits: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional): > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Website: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Other (additional informational you would like included): > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/6c74c995e4.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com José Siento que estar en desacuerdo con usted, pero lo que Carlos escribió NO es cierto. Las reglas son muy claras. Un ALS se convierte una ALS a través de un cierto proceso. Este proceso termina con el voto de la ALAC. Ese voto a favor de la organización convertirse en una licencia previa, y ese voto SOLO es lo que es necesario contar con una organización convertirse en una ELA y por lo tanto, parte de la estructura RALO. Como tal, todos los ALS certificadas en la votación el 14 de marzo fueron, en el cierre de la votación y el anuncio de los resultados de tales voto, ALS, y dio la bienvenida como tal en el At-Large por el Presidente del el ALAC. Yo estaba allí, vi que esto suceda. No puede haber controversia en cuanto a ya se trate de ALS fueron, desde ese momento, y la participación activa ALS en el sistema Ralo. Así pues, dado que la Asamblea General comenzó después de que el voto, todos los ALS certificada por ALAC, incluidos los certificados en el mismo día, fueron elegibles para participar, y así lo hizo. Es extremadamente claro en la lectura de los documentos, como es el hecho de que el Bienvenido de correo electrónico que desató toda esta discusión circular y supuesto es un correo electrónico de bienvenida a la nueva esclerosis lateral amiotrófica, una cortesía, que explica un poco sobre la AtLarge. No tiene nada que ver con el proceso de certificación de una organización que por sí mismos o no. Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicua, necesaria, invisible y Gratis. (AfterChris Lehmann) El Jue, 05 de abril 2012 a las 10:46 AM, JosFrancisco Arce <josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com> escribiÃ³: > It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and > publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa > Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional > advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove, > the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible > that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason > to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken, and > representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was > taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been > there. > > Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing > this issue to formalize it. > > Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this. > > Kind Regards > > Jose Arce.- > > > > > > 2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> >> >> >> Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is >> important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users in >> the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give the >> transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the >> ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate >> actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users >> and the transparency needed is not completed. >> It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio >> Aguirre >> NCA GNSO Council - ICANN >> former ALAC member by LACRALO >> Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios >> Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - >> *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 >> http://ar.ageiadensi.org >> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com >> To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com >> CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com >> >> As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I >> know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as >> ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC >> vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a >> courtesy. >> >> >> However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a >> rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her >> participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as >> well. >> >> >> My $0.02 >> Jacqueline >> On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" >> <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in >> LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous >> notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case >> and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon >> and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be >> revised. >> >> >> We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the >> correct things. >> >> And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. >> >> >> >> Carlos Aguirre. >> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com> >> >> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 >> >> To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> >> >> Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. >> >> >> >> Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general >> >> assembly and it was dealt with then. >> >> >> >> It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the >> >> responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff >> >> to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify >> >> that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm >> >> assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> Cintra >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com >> >> > >> >> > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of >> >> > acceptance of this >> >> > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something >> >> > is not clear when it comes to transparency >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > JosOvidio Salgueiro A. >> >> > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of >> >> > ICANN >> >> > At-Large Staff >> >> > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm >> >> > To: Cintra Sooknanan >> >> > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand >> >> > Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; >> >> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ >> >> > Crepin-Leblond >> >> > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Dear Cintra Sooknanan: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You >> > That >> >> > (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified >> > as >> >> > an >> >> > At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups >> >> > Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to >> >> > working >> >> > with you and your colleagues. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization >> >> > meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at >> > the >> >> > local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization >> > will >> >> > Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts >> >> > That >> >> > Affect end-users. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship >> >> > Between >> >> > organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your >> >> > input >> >> > on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep >> > your >> >> > ITS >> >> > Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on >> >> > ICANN >> >> > Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to >> >> > Identifying the names staff(a)atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of >> > one >> >> > or >> >> > Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and >> >> > correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please >> > let >> >> > us >> >> > know. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each >> > ' >> >> > region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: >> >> > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact >> >> > you >> >> > Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for >> >> > regions >> >> > Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for >> >> > Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you >> > are >> >> > Others Invited to join as you wish. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > - ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared >> > with >> >> > the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's >> >> > Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other >> > groups >> >> > ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please >> > complete >> >> > and email the form at the bottom of This note to >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org >> > <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source >> >> >> > for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users >> >> > individually. We >> >> > Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on >> >> > Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto >> > information. >> >> > Translations of >> >> > documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have >> >> > Been >> >> > to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities, >> >> > events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These >> > are >> >> > maintained by the community. They are: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > African Region: >> >> > www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: >> >> > www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > European Region: >> >> > www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Latin America / Caribbean Region: >> >> > www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > North American Region: >> >> > www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to >> >> > Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you >> >> > Have Any >> >> > questions, or need additional information, please contact us at >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The At-Large Advisory Committee >> >> > www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> >> >> > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --------------------------- >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Name: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your >> >> > membership): >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Mission: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Member benefits: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional): >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Website: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Other (additional informational you would like included): >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/6b007fbdbd.html --]]

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Re: RECORDATORIO - Convocatoria para la Membres�a / Grupo de Trabajo de Indicadores
by cintra.sooknanan＠gmail.com April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: RECORDATORIO - Convocatoria para la Membresía / Grupo de Trabajo de Indicadores De: cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com Hola, Creo que me expresé mi intención de unirse a este grupo de trabajo en el wiki, pero en todo caso, por favor agregue mi nombre a este grupo de trabajo. Muchas gracias, Cintra Sooknanan El Jue, 05 de abril 2012 a las 10:05 AM, At-Large Personal <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> escribió: > Dear Members of LACRALO, > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr, the Chair of this WG, has requested > a reminder call for membership of the ROP's Review and its Sub-Committee > Metrics Work Group . The Chair is seeking to have at least two > representatives from the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) in addition to > the ALAC Liaison (already appointed) and at least two regional members > appointed as representative from each RALO. Additional Regional, ALS or > Individual Membership involvement is also welcomed. > > To see the list of > current Membership see https://community.icann.org/x/HJfbAQ. > > If you are interested in joining the ROP Review / > Metrics WG, please be so kind to declare your interest (noting any > preference for ROP's, Metrics, or both) to At-Large staff at: > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by 06 April, 2012. At-Large Staff will add your > name > to the list of members. > > Thank you. > Regards, > > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and Nathalie > Peregrine > ICANN At-Large Staff > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > On 01/04/2012 10:19, "ICANN At-Large Staff" <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> > wrote: > > > Dear Members of At-Large, > > > > The Metrics Working Group was created as part of the ALAC / At-Large > > Improvements Project and approved by the ALAC at their February Meeting, > to > > be a Sub Committee of the 'parent' Rules of Procedure (ROP) Review Work > > Group (see https://community.icann.org/x/RJPbAQ) to conduct a review of > the > > ALAC Member and At-Large > > participation metrics, including RALO Member and ALS performance > metrics / > > measures / reportage. > > > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr, the Chair of this WG, has requested > > a reminder call for membership of the ROP's Review and its Sub-Committee > > Metrics Work Group . The Chair is seeking to have at least two > > representatives from the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) in addition > to > > the ALAC Liaison (already appointed) and at least two regional members > > appointed as representative from each RALO. Additional Regional, ALS or > > Individual Membership involvement is also welcomed. To see the list of > > current Membership see https://community.icann.org/x/RJPbAQ. > > > > If you are interested in joining the ROP Review / > > Metrics WG, please be so kind to declare your interest (noting any > > preference for ROP's, Metrics, or both) to At-Large staff at: > > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by 06 April, > > 2012. At-Large Staff will add your name to the list of members. > > > > The ROP's > > Review SC on Metrics Workspace is available at: > > https://community.icann.org/x/HJfbAQ > > > > Thank you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and > Nathalie > > Peregrine > > ICANN At-Large Staff > > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > APAC-Discuss mailing list > > APAC-Discuss(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/apac-discuss > > > > Homepage for the region: http://www.apralo.org > > > > On 01/04/2012 10:18, "ICANN At-Large Staff" <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> > wrote: > > > Dear Members of At-Large, > > > > The Metrics Working Group was created as part of the ALAC / At-Large > > Improvements Project and approved by the ALAC at their February Meeting, > to > > be a Sub Committee of the 'parent' Rules of Procedure (ROP) Review Work > > Group (see https://community.icann.org/x/RJPbAQ) to conduct a review of > the > > ALAC Member and At-Large > > participation metrics, including RALO Member and ALS performance > metrics / > > measures / reportage. > > > > Cheryl Langdon-Orr, the Chair of this WG, has requested > > a reminder call for membership of the ROP's Review and its Sub-Committee > > Metrics Work Group . The Chair is seeking to have at least two > > representatives from the At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) in addition > to > > the ALAC Liaison (already appointed) and at least two regional members > > appointed as representative from each RALO. Additional Regional, ALS or > > Individual Membership involvement is also welcomed. To see the list of > > current Membership see https://community.icann.org/x/RJPbAQ. > > > > If you are interested in joining the ROP Review / > > Metrics WG, please be so kind to declare your interest (noting any > > preference for ROP's, Metrics, or both) to At-Large staff at: > > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by 06 April, > > 2012. At-Large Staff will add your name to the list of members. > > > > The ROP's > > Review SC on Metrics Workspace is available at: > > https://community.icann.org/x/HJfbAQ > > > > Thank you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisella Gruber, and > Nathalie > > Peregrine > > ICANN At-Large Staff > > E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/a98f0417fa.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com April 5, 2012

April 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Una vez más, mi hermano, yo entiendo muy bien que hubiera sido más cómodo sabiendo lo que ocurrió. Y la comunicación a la ELA es una función principal de los representantes de LACRALO a ALAC. Observe con cuidado el destinatario de la comunicación de Personal; ISOC-TT. Son miembros de LACRALO simplemente se copian por cortesía. Que ni la comunicación de ALAC thru LACRALO ALAC representantes ni el mensaje de copiado de Personal no ocurrió en un corto período de tiempo no puede ser en su contra ISOC-TT. Tampoco sería una razón suficiente para negar o retener cualquier de los beneficios de la membresía de la LACRALO otorgado a la ISOC-TT por el ALAC. Eso sería una grave violación de los principios de la física la justicia. Saludos, - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= El Jue, 05 de abril 2012 a las 9:06 AM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre < > carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com escribió: > > Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is > important for a validity of act, because it give notice to our end users > in the region, and All around the world, of the ALS certification and give > the transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify > the ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can > participate actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for > the end users and the transparency needed is not completed. > It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio > Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > From: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > To: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com > > As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I > know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as > ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC > vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a > courtesy. > > > However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a > rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her > participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as > well. > > > My $0.02 > Jacqueline > On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre" < > carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in > LACRALO GA. All of this because as you know as lawyer, the previous > notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in this case > and due to lack of communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon > and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be > revised. > > > We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the > correct things. > > And i want to see who are responsible for serious errors commíted. > > > > Carlos Aguirre. > > Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry® > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan(a)gmail.com> > > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36 > > To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > > > > Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome. > > > > Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general > > assembly and it was dealt with then. > > > > It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the > > responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff > > to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify > > that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm > > assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email. > > > > Regards > > > > Cintra > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > > > > Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > > > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > > > > > > I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of > > > acceptance of this > > > ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago. > > > > > > > > > I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something > > > is not clear when it comes to transparency > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JosOvidio Salgueiro A. > > > salgueiro.jo @ gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > > > ICANN > > > At-Large Staff > > > Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm > > > To: Cintra Sooknanan > > > CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand > > > Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff; > > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ > > > Crepin-Leblond > > > Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large! > > > > > > > > > Dear Cintra Sooknanan: > > > > > > > > > ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You That > > > (163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified as > > > an > > > At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups > > > Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to > > > working > > > with you and your colleagues. > > > > > > > > > The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization > > > meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at the > > > local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization > will > > > Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts > > > That > > > Affect end-users. > > > > > > > > > The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship > > > Between > > > organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your > > > input > > > on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > > We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep your > > > ITS > > > Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on > > > ICANN > > > Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest: > > > > > > > > > - Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to > > > Identifying the names staff(a)atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of > one > > > or > > > Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and > > > correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file, please > let > > > us > > > know. > > > > > > > > > - At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for each > ' > > > region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at: > > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of contact > > > you > > > Automatically identify identity will be added to your list just for > > > regions > > > Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list for > > > Staff announcements (only staff can post messages to That list), you are > > > Others Invited to join as you wish. > > > > > > > > > - ALS information. Information about your organization will be shared > with > > > the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your group's > > > Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other > groups > > > ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please > complete > > > and email the form at the bottom of This note to > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > > > > > > > > > - ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org < > http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source > > > > for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users > > > individually. We > > > Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies on > > > Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto information. > > > Translations of > > > documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to > > > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > > > > > > > > > - At-Large Regional Websites. Regional wiki created webpages Also Have > > > Been > > > to distribute information (including in local languages) on Activities, > > > events and issues of special interest to people in Each region. These > are > > > maintained by the community. They are: > > > > > > > > > African Region: > > > www.afralo.org <http://www.afralo.org> > > > > > > > > > Asia / Australia / Pacific Region: > > > www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org> > > > > > > > > > European Region: > > > www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org> > > > > > > > > > Latin America / Caribbean Region: > > > www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org> > > > > > > > > > North American Region: > > > www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org> > > > > > > > > > We look forward to working with you and your organization's members to > > > Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you > > > Have Any > > > questions, or need additional information, please contact us at > > > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The At-Large Advisory Committee > > > www.atlarge.icann.org <http://www.atlarge.icann.org> > > > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Name: > > > > > > > > > Location (city / country / region, whatever is relevant to your > > > membership): > > > > > > > > > Mission: > > > > > > > > > Member benefits: > > > > > > > > > Contacts (name / s and email address / es - title / s optional): > > > > > > > > > Website: > > > > > > > > > Other (additional informational you would like included): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/2e28111bc4.html --]]

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