Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!

April 5, 2012

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 Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! 
 De: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com

 Jaqueline: Lo que Carlos dijo es verdad! Sólo es distinta a su punto de vista. En el otro lado, las organizaciones solicitantes se convierte en una ALS a través de una cierta 
 proceso. Ese proceso no termina, o al menos no podía acabar con el voto de la ALAC. Todo esto debido a que la comunicación de este acto, después de haber sido hecho, es ESENCIAL para dar publicidad (a todos) del mismo hecho. Esto es transparencia! - Una verdadera transparencia - 

 Im muy interesado en mi participación en el futuro cercano, para crear un grupo de trabajo o algo así, se encarga de controlar y hacer a la interpretación de las normas de Estatutos y las normas de OP, porque hay muchas reglas incumplido o violado en muchas CCAA de ICANN / OE, y no hay sanciones por eso, esto es, en mi punto de vista, una grave situación de resolver. Estoy viendo un manejo muy extraño de las reglas y su uso a fin de satisfacer ciertos intereses.

 He aprendido en mi vida de la ICANN, que hay muchas opiniones y puntos de vista differentes, y no siempre es mi propia opinión es la mejor, tal vez muchos otros comprender esto. Estoy seguro de que podemos construir una mejor organización. 

 Carlos Dionisio Aguirre 
 NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN 
 el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO 
 Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios 
 Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - 
 * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 
 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com
To: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com
CC: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Jose
Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote  is NOT true.
The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain
process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC.
That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote
ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and
hence part of the RALO structure.
As such, all the ALSes certified in  the vote on March 14th were, at
the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such
vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of
the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to
whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating
ALSes in the RALO system.
So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by
ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to
participate, and did so.
It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the
Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and
supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that
explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the
process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
Jacqueline A. Morris
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce
<josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
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It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and
publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in Costa
Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional
advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was aprove,
the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be possible
that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no reason
to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken,  and
representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity was
taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been
there.
Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list adressing
this issue to formalize it.
Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce.-
2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
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Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is
important for a validity of act, because it  give notice to our end users in
the region, and All around the world,  of the ALS certification and give the
transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify the
ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can participate
actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end users
and the transparency needed is not completed.
It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos Dionisio
Aguirre
NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
former ALAC member by LACRALO
Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
*54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com
To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com
CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I
know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well as
ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the ALAC
vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a
courtesy.
However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but rather, a
rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her
participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason as
well.
My $0.02
Jacqueline
On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre"
<carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon in
LACRALO GA. All of this because as you  know as lawyer, the previous
 notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in  this case
and due to lack of  communicatión of ALS certification, your participatíon
and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must be
revised.
We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do the
correct things.
And i want to see who are responsible  for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre.
Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the general
assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or staff
to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay (i'm
assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
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From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
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I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
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I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just something
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From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
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[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
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ICANN
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At-Large Staff
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Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
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To: Cintra Sooknanan
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CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev Anand
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Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
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lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier MJ
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Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
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Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
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ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You
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(163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been certified
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At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups
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Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward to
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working
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with you and your colleagues.
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The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your organization
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meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at
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local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization
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Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN Efforts
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Affect end-users.
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The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship
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Between
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organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and your
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input
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on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
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We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep
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ITS
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Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN on
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ICANN
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Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
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Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of
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Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto
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Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If you
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