Re: [lac-discuss-es] Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large!

April 6, 2012

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 Asunto: Re: Bienvenido a la ICANN At-Large! 
 De: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com

 Jacqueline. por favor, comprenda mi Punto de vista, abre tu mente, no es un documento legal 
 posición. normas y procesos necesita una actualización permanente. Todo 
 esto debido a la evolución y los problemas que surgen en el movimiento para 
 el futuro. cambios se produce. Sé que hay Grupo de Trabajo en curso, le da más sentido a lo que digo. 

 Carlos Dionisio Aguirre 
 NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN 
 el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO 
 Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios 
 Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - 
 * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 
 http://ar.ageiadensi.org
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 19:26:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com
To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com
CC: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Carlos,
Please...
Read the rules, read the process, read the archives, the precedents,
and read the response from the staff. It's not just my POV, it's the
actual process. It's put down in plain language, not legalese. It has
been followed for every single one of he ALSes currently accredited.
To try to make a change now is passing strange.  What about  the other
ALSes that were accredited at the same meeting on March 14th; or even
all the other ALSes that were accredited. For example, we can refer to
the AF and EU Ralo meetings in Lisbon in 2007, or the LAC and NA
meetings in San Juan also in 2007, at which ALSes were accredited and
immediately participated in meetings and decisions without any
courtesy email being sent.
Or any of the other ALSes who NEVER received a courtesy email upon
accreditation, as this process was not in place until after the first
RALOs were formed.
Of course, if you wish to implement such rules, in the interest of
transparency as you say, there are working groups currently in
progress that are looking at things like this. Join one, or more than
one.
Jacqueline A. Morris
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 5:36 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre
<carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Jaqueline: What Carlos said is true! only different than your point of
view.  On the other side, Applicant Organizations becomes an ALS via a
certain
process. That process NOT FINISH, or at least COULD NOT FINISH with the vote
of the ALAC. All of this because the communication of this act, after to be
it done, is esential to give publicity (TO ALL) of the same fact. This is
TRANSPARENCY  ! - a true transparency -
Im very Interested on my near future participation, to create a WG or
something like that, in charge to control and to do interpretation of Bylaws
rules and O.P rules, because there are many rules unfulfilled or violated in
many ICANN ACs/SOs, and there are no sanctions for that, this is, on my
point of view, a serious situation to solve. Im seeing a very strange manage
of the rules and using it in order to satisfy some interests.
I learnt in my ICANN life, that there are many opinions  and differents
point of view, and not always my own opinion is the best, perhaps many
others understand this. Im sure we can build a better organization.
Carlos Dionisio Aguirre
NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
former ALAC member by LACRALO
Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
*54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
http://ar.ageiadensi.org
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Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 17:07:13 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com
To: josefranciscoarce@gmail.com
CC: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com; lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
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Jose
Sorry to have to disagree with you, but what Carlos wrote is NOT true.
The rules are very clear. An ALS becomes an ALS via a certain
process. That process TERMINATES with the vote of the ALAC.
That vote in favor of the organisation becoming an ALS, and that vote
ALONE is what is necessary to have an organisation become a ALS and
hence part of the RALO structure.
As such, all the ALSes certified in the vote on March 14th were, at
the close of the vote and the announcement of the results of such
vote, ALSes, and welcomed as such into the At Large by the Chair of
the ALAC. I was there, I saw it happen. There can be no dispute as to
whether those ALSes were, from that moment, active and participating
ALSes in the RALO system.
So, given that the GA began AFTER that vote, all ALSes certified by
ALAC, including those certified on the same day, were eligible to
participate, and did so.
It's extremely clear on reading the documents, as is the fact that the
Welcome email that sparked all this circular discussion and
supposition is a Welcome email to the new ALS, a COURTESY, that
explains a bit about the AtLarge. It has nothing to do with the
process of certifying an organisation to be an ALS or not.
Jacqueline A. Morris
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 10:46 AM, José Francisco Arce
<josefranciscoarce@gmail.com> wrote:
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It is true what Carlos Aguirre said about the previous notificatión and
publicity, but what happend in this particulary situation is that in
Costa
Rica the President and Secretariat of LACRALO were ask for the regional
advice for ISOC T&T, and then ALAC voted for that. When ISOC T&T was
aprove,
the presidnte of that organization ask me personally if it would be
possible
that ISOC T&T can participate in the events in Costa Rica. I found no
reason
to deny this request, ALAC desicion had already been taken,  and
representatives were there in the meeting. So notificatión and publicity
was
taken because the ALAC meeting is public and everyone should have been
there.
Maybe was my mistake for not send an information email to the list
adressing
this issue to formalize it.
Please let me know if someone have any doubt about this.
Kind Regards
Jose Arce.-
2012/4/5 carlos dionisio aguirre <carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com>
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Jacqueline. The communication, more than to be a simple courtesy, is
important for a validity of act, because it  give notice to our end
users in
the region, and All around the world,  of the ALS certification and
give the
transparency needed and mandatory in our ICANN bylaws. After to notify
the
ALS certification, and not receive it any objection, the ALS can
participate
actively. Before that, the act of certification is unknown for the end
users
and the transparency needed is not completed.
It is my point of view, and of course could be discussed. Carlos
Dionisio
Aguirre
NCA GNSO Council - ICANN
former ALAC member by LACRALO
Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios
Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina -
*54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423
http://ar.ageiadensi.org
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:53:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
From: jam@jacquelinemorris.com
To: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com
CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com
As I'm not a lawyer, maybe there's something I missed, but from what I
know as ALAC procedures, from sitting on both the Interim ALAC, as well
as
ALAC and being Chair of both, the ALS is certified at the end of the
ALAC
vote, and fully able to participate, and the welcome email is simply a
courtesy.
However, given that Cintra was NOT the ISOCTT rep at the GA, but
rather, a
rep of an ALS certified since 2006, I think your point about her
participation in the GA being null and void fails based on this reason
as
well.
My $0.02
Jacqueline
On Apr 4, 2012 11:57 PM, "carlos dionisio aguirre"
<carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Cintra. Im sharing with José the concerns about your participatíon
in
LACRALO GA. All of this because as you  know as lawyer, the previous
 notificatión and publicity became valid the next act . So, in  this
case
and due to lack of  communicatión of ALS certification, your
participatíon
and votes made by tpu ón LACRALO GA are no válids , and desitions must
be
revised.
We need give transparency and you as lawyer have the obligatíon to do
the
correct things.
And i want to see who are responsible  for serious errors commíted.
Carlos Aguirre.
Enviado desde mi dispositivo inalámbrico BlackBerry®
-----Original Message-----
From: Cintra Sooknanan <cintra.sooknanan@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 02:43:36
To: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
Jose and Staff thank you for your welcome.
Jose I believe you raised this query during the first day of the
general
assembly and it was dealt with then.
It is really for the ALAC representatives from LACRALO who had the
responsibility to vote on this ALS application or the secretariat or
staff
to respond to you, but in the interest of time maybe I can clarify
that ISOC-TT was ratified as an ALS on 14 March, there was some delay
(i'm
assuming because of other pressing matters) in staff sending this
email.
Regards
Cintra
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:21 PM, <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> wrote:
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Subject: Re: Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
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From: salgueiro.jo@gmail.com
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I do not understand. If today we are receiving the notification of
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ALS is permitiparticipar that the Assembly three weeks ago.
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I have nothing against this ALS or tell their members, just
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From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
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[Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf
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ICANN
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At-Large Staff
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Posted on: Wednesdays, April 4, 2012 05:52 pm
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To: Cintra Sooknanan
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CC: Carlton Samuels, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org, Dev
Anand
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Teelucksingh (Confluence), ICANN At-Large Staff;
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lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; ALAC Internal List, Olivier
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Crepin-Leblond
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Subject: [lac-discuss-en] Welcome to ICANN At-Large!
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Dear Cintra Sooknanan:
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ICANN's At-Large Advisory Committee (ALAC) is pleased to inform You
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(163) Trinidad and Tobago Internet Society Chapter Has Been
certified
as
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an
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At-Large Structure (ALS). The ALAC Greatly appreciates your groups
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Involving users in an individual interest in ICANN and looks forward
to
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working
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with you and your colleagues.
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The purpose of ALS certification is to Recognize That your
organization
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meets the criteria to Involve necesario Individual Internet users at
the
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local or issue level in ICANN Activities, And That your organization
will
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Individual ITS support members' informed participation in ICANN
Efforts
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That
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Affect end-users.
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The ALAC is eager to Promote Productive working at your relationship
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Between
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organization, other ALS, and the ALAC (ICANN and in general), and
your
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input
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on how we can make this a success would be Greatly appreciated.
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We would like to offer tools to help Some initial organization keep
your
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ITS
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Informed members (about significant news and information from ICANN
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ICANN
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Efforts policy-development) and Engaged in Activities of interest:
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- Point of Contact for your Organisation: Please send an email to
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Identifying the names staff@atlarge.icann.org and email addresses of
one
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or
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Individuals who will be two the point of contact for information and
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correspondence regarding ICANN At-Large. If This changes file,
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know.
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- At Large Mailing Lists. There are Many At Large email lists, for
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region, you can signup for Them and manage your subscriptions at:
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http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo. The points of
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you
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Accredited to discuss regional issues ALSes and to the mailing list
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Others Invited to join as you wish.
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the At-Large community to enable interested in. individuos your
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Activities to contact you, and to Encourage cooperation with other
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ICANN interested in. Activities in your geographic region. Please
complete
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and email the form at the bottom of This note to
staff@atlarge.icann.org.
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- ALAC website.The ALAC website (www.atlarge.icann.org
<http://www.atlarge.icann.org> ) is a good source
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for ICANN news and information of interest to Internet users
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individually. We
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Encourage your members to Provide you With A link. The ALAC relies
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Volunteers to translate multiple languages \u200b\u200bInto
information.
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Translations of
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documents on the website are welcome and Should Be Sent to
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staff@atlarge.icann.org.
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to distribute information (including in local languages) on
Activities,
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events and issues of special interest to people in Each region.
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maintained by the community. They are:
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African Region:
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Asia / Australia / Pacific Region:
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www.apralo.org <http://www.apralo.org>
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European Region:
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www.euralo.org <http://www.euralo.org>
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Latin America / Caribbean Region:
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www.lacralo.org <http://www.lacralo.org>
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North American Region:
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www.naralo.org <http://www.naralo.org>
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We look forward to working with you and your organization's members
to
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Individual Internet users advance 'interests within The ICANN. If
you
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Have Any
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questions, or need additional information, please contact us at
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staff@atlarge.icann.org.
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Sincerely,
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The At-Large Advisory Committee
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