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Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votaci�n sobre Moci�n Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moci�n Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votación sobre Moción Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moción Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Con respecto Dev, al comentar sobre el movimiento ahora sería lo peor que hacer. La convocatoria de la votación es lo que la ley juzgaría como "ultra vires". Ese es decir la Secretaría ofende las reglas para llevar este movimiento a la voto, ya que está más allá de su autoridad legal. Si no se detiene el voto, estamos bien aconsejaron a ignorarlo. y el movimiento sigue siendo un desconocido hasta que se expone a debate. Otros remedios también están abiertos a los agraviados. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 5:56 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee(a)gmail.com> escribió: > I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco > in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat. > > As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall > be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently > in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the > working languages of the Assembly. > > THIS WAS NOT DONE. > > Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion > there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest. > > Kind Regards, > > Dev Anand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > >> == EN == >> >> Dear All, >> >> Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisantyâs motion? Formal Motion from >> Alejandro Pisanty: >> >> a. LACRALOâs Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues >> for discussion. >> b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate >> of current ICANN public consultations. >> >> * Yes >> * No >> * Abstain >> >> == ES == >> >> Hola a todos, >> >> Â¿Usted apoya la mociÃ³n de Alejandro Pisanty? >> >> a. que la Presidencia y la SecretarÃa hagan una agenda de temas de >> polÃticas para su discusiÃ³n >> b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesiÃ³n mensual se dediquen a temas >> sustantivos de debate de polÃticas en curso en consultas pÃºblicas de ICANN >> >> *Si >> *No >> *AbstenciÃ³n >> >> Regards, >> >> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie >> Peregrine and Terri Agnew >> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC >> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge >> <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/82ad456ce5.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Solicitud
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Solicitud De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com José Ovidio: Supongo que está llamando para la protección de mi uso de Inglés por el Defensor del Pueblo de la ICANN, sí? Ahora, entiendo que el chico es de Nueva Zelanda, pero creo que tiene instalaciones con el Idioma Inglés. Yo soy el experto en el uso de Inglés donde importa ahora, aquí mismo. Así que yo le puedo ayudar adecuadamente según sea necesario, nos harías un favor y señalar específicamente EN INGLÉS la construcción lenguaje que utilicé ofende a su alteza? Con amabilidad, -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= 07.29.2015 17:09 GMT-05: 00 José Ovidio Salgueiro <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> : > Pido formalmente a las autoridades del LACRALO se le solicite al Sr. > Carlton Samuels a moderar su lenguaje a la hora de dirigirse a los miembros > de la comunidad. > > -- > > > > > JosÃ© Ovidio Salgueiro A. > salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b3dc01bf3f.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ????
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ???? De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com No, eso no importa. Nota lugar la terminología ahora introducido; un '* percibida conflicto de intereses*'. Sé que las palabras comadreja cuando los veo, en Inglés o Español. Así que ahora, uno se queda preguntar quién era el agente de esta percepción? Cómo fue ¿se desarrollo? ¿Y qué medidas se utilizaron para calificar la percepción? Y teniendo en cuenta los hechos tal como los conocemos ahora, ¿qué medidas se emplearon para desengañar a la 'percepción'? -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 2:57 de la tarde, Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > wrote: > Hi > I think there's some confusion. We have had a couple of consensus polls, > in 2008 it was an objection to a single nomination, as it is here. > In the other cases, it was because the teleconference was not quorate, and > the list is a quorum, so the consensus poll was done to ensure that the > decision was quorate. These cases are different on the face, and so should > not serve as precedent for this case. > The only precedent to be considered should be the 2008 one. > Sincerely > Jacqueline Morris > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> wrote: > >> >> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> >> Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? >> From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org >> >> >> Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel >> Voting: >> >> >> Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics >> applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who >> voted no, others abstained and others voted yes. >> >> >> The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC >> Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent. >> >> >> Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need >> make choice for that position. >> >> >> We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision >> Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent >> the case >> Natalia Enciso. >> >> >> ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot. >> >> >> This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which >> no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result: >> >> >> Before the results of the current survey on whether or not >> Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 >> LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara >> determine the results. >> >> >> Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the >> survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process >> of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero >> reiniciarcon a new call for applications. >> >> >> Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO >> ALAC member for 2015-2017. >> >> >> Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus >> we have made a choice according explained, taking three background >> Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the >> meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was >> incomplete. >> >> >> In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the >> Voting next steps. >> >> >> In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why >> It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot. >> >> >> It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not >> expressly estn >> regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos >> in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation >> expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting >> prior to the community. >> >> >> This is rational only solution we have found to solve this >> such drawbacks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> best regards >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Alberto Soto >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Avast antivirus software has analyzed this e-mail for viruses. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c181ca6f90.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Roosevelt: Asuntos de ICANN lleva con Inglés, pero se ha recorrido un largo camino para incluir otros idiomas en sus operaciones. Algunos de nosotros luchó largo y duro para ese. Con respecto a las RALO, cada uno opera por reglas que desarrolla. Así que a partir de su creación, nos pusimos de acuerdo LACRALO sería multilingüe. Yo era un papel decisivo en esa decisión porque en principio, creo que uno debe tener el derecho a comunicar y defender el interés de uno en el idioma se habla mejor. Mis principios no mutan para mayor comodidad. Así por ejemplo, me animé que no hablan inglés a presentarse para el liderazgo en las mismas condiciones que los angloparlantes. Y en los primeros días nos en realidad los representantes electos que no hablan Inglés en el momento. Mirando hacia atrás, tal vez nos equivocamos con las operaciones multilingües campeón. Comparando LACRALO a los demás, utilice AFRALO Inglés y Francés, y APRALO EURALO, simplemente Inglés.Ellos no parecen tener los problemas que hacemos. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 2:34 de la tarde, BANGO <admin(a)bango.org.bb> escribió: > My! My! The official language of ICANN is English. Is it different in the > regions? Of course if you deem the official language to be Spanish in > LACRALO, Long live the Emperor. > > ROK > > -----Original Message----- > From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto > Carrasco > Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:30 > To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' > Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 > > Dear Roosvelt, > > Why do you think the official language is English in LACRALO? > > Regards > > El 29/07/2015 a las 08:27 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: > > "In no case" means "under any circumstances", even if you say there are > exceptions, the exceptions would be one case/circumstance... the rule says, > "in no case". I am not sure what is so difficult about that to understand > or is it a case of unwillingness to understand? The English version does > not confirm your interpretation and hence there is no way that the Spanish > version could. Using language as a Red Herring? Is not the official > language English? The Spanish translators need to get it right? You > questioning the translation? That does not make you right??? > > > > ROK > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Humberto Carrasco [mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:49 > > To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' > > Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 > > > > I disagree. > > > > Furthermore, if you read the Spanish version, the wording confirms our > interpretation. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > El 29/07/2015 a las 07:23 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: > >> Bartlett is correct. > >> > >> ROK > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > >> Bartlett Morgan > >> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:31 > >> To: Humberto Carrasco > >> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 > >> > >> Hi Humberto, > >> The controlling phrase in the rule is "in no case less than two weeks". > >> Therefore even in the case of exceptions, that requirement would have > to be complied with. > >> > >> I don't think your interpretation is faithful to the plain literal > meaning of the rule. > >> > >> $.02 > >> > >> -- > >> Bartlett Morgan > >> > >> Sent from my Cyanogen phone > >> > >> On Jul 29, 2015 9:33 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> Dear Dev, > >>> > >>> There is no misunderstanding. > >>> > >>> The rule says "As a general rule", in spanish "Como regla General". > This wording means, that there could be some exceptions. We used this > exception. > >>> > >>> I explained the reasons before. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> > >>> El 29/07/2015 a las 02:06 p.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: > >>>> I'll repost Rule 11.2 since there seems to be a misunderstanding. > >>>> > >>>> 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be > discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in > advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the > working languages of the Assembly. > >>>> > >>>> 11.2 Como regla general. sÃ³lo se tratarÃ¡n y se someterÃ¡n a votaciÃ³n > las resoluciones o enmiendas que se hayan distribuido con al menos dos > semanas de anticipaciÃ³n, a todos los participantes de la Asamblea, en todos > los idiomas con los que Ã©sta trabaje. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dev Anand > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >>>> > >>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>> > >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > >> > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b62db86bea.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Um, bueno, aquí vamos de nuevo. La ignorancia de LACRALO institucional arreglos ya está pasado problemático. Una vez más, insto a los dirigentes a tomar y estudiar los instrumentos. Usted no están haciendo a ti mismo orgullosa en estos episodios. Y peor aún, hay una cierta arrogancia toparse con la ignorancia. El lenguaje se define en los Principios de funcionamiento, una lectura obligada para el Secretaría. Aquí está la sección correspondiente, en Inglés: Principios de funcionamiento: * "El LacRALO será multilingüe desde su inicio. Todos los documentos * * Serán escritos y todos los debates se llevarán a cabo en Inglés y Español. Ello* * Se planea añadir el portugués y el francés en un futuro próximo y hasta * * Reevaluar periódicamente la necesidad de añadir otros idiomas utilizados en la región. "* Esa es una definición de funcionario como podamos. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 2:43 de la tarde, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Well, > > I am not saying that Spanish is the official language. I say that we have > no official language in LACRALO because our Operative principles and RoP > say nothing about that. > > Regards > > El 29/07/2015 a las 08:34 p.m., BANGO escribiÃ³: > >> My! My! The official language of ICANN is English. Is it different in the >> regions? Of course if you deem the official language to be Spanish in >> LACRALO, Long live the Emperor. >> >> ROK >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: >> lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto >> Carrasco >> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:30 >> To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' >> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >> >> Dear Roosvelt, >> >> Why do you think the official language is English in LACRALO? >> >> Regards >> >> El 29/07/2015 a las 08:27 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: >> >>> "In no case" means "under any circumstances", even if you say there are >>> exceptions, the exceptions would be one case/circumstance... the rule says, >>> "in no case". I am not sure what is so difficult about that to understand >>> or is it a case of unwillingness to understand? The English version does >>> not confirm your interpretation and hence there is no way that the Spanish >>> version could. Using language as a Red Herring? Is not the official >>> language English? The Spanish translators need to get it right? You >>> questioning the translation? That does not make you right??? >>> >>> ROK >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Humberto Carrasco [mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:49 >>> To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' >>> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >>> >>> I disagree. >>> >>> Furthermore, if you read the Spanish version, the wording confirms our >>> interpretation. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> El 29/07/2015 a las 07:23 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: >>> >>>> Bartlett is correct. >>>> >>>> ROK >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Bartlett Morgan >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:31 >>>> To: Humberto Carrasco >>>> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >>>> >>>> Hi Humberto, >>>> The controlling phrase in the rule is "in no case less than two weeks". >>>> Therefore even in the case of exceptions, that requirement would have >>>> to be complied with. >>>> >>>> I don't think your interpretation is faithful to the plain literal >>>> meaning of the rule. >>>> >>>> $.02 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bartlett Morgan >>>> >>>> Sent from my Cyanogen phone >>>> >>>> On Jul 29, 2015 9:33 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Dev, >>>>> >>>>> There is no misunderstanding. >>>>> >>>>> The rule says "As a general rule", in spanish "Como regla General". >>>>> This wording means, that there could be some exceptions. We used this >>>>> exception. >>>>> >>>>> I explained the reasons before. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> El 29/07/2015 a las 02:06 p.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: >>>>> >>>>>> I'll repost Rule 11.2 since there seems to be a misunderstanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be >>>>>> discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in >>>>>> advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the >>>>>> working languages of the Assembly. >>>>>> >>>>>> 11.2 Como regla general. sÃ³lo se tratarÃ¡n y se someterÃ¡n a votaciÃ³n >>>>>> las resoluciones o enmiendas que se hayan distribuido con al menos dos >>>>>> semanas de anticipaciÃ³n, a todos los participantes de la Asamblea, en todos >>>>>> los idiomas con los que Ã©sta trabaje. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dev Anand >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>> >>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3a455b0343.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ????
by crg＠isoc-cr.org July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ???? De: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Gracias Jacqueline, en beneficio de las generaciones futuras, deja para tener toda la historia bien documentada contra de las reglas y los acuerdos existentes en el momento de cada elección. Sería un ejercicio más útil en la discusión acerca de nuevas reglas si es necesario. Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez _____________________ correo electrónico: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Skype: carlos.raulg +506 8837 7173 (cel) +506 4000 2000 (casa) +506 2290 3678 (fax) _____________________ Apartado 1571-1000 San José, COSTA RICA > On Jul 29, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> wrote: > > Hi > I think there's some confusion. We have had a couple of consensus polls, in 2008 it was an objection to a single nomination, as it is here. > In the other cases, it was because the teleconference was not quorate, and the list is a quorum, so the consensus poll was done to ensure that the decision was quorate. These cases are different on the face, and so should not serve as precedent for this case. > The only precedent to be considered should be the 2008 one. > Sincerely > Jacqueline Morris > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> wrote: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? > From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > > Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel > Voting: > > > Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics > applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who > voted no, others abstained and others voted yes. > > > The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC > Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent. > > > Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need > make choice for that position. > > > We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision > Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent the case > Natalia Enciso. > > > ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot. > > > This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which > no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result: > > > Before the results of the current survey on whether or not > Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 > LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara > determine the results. > > > Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the > survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process > of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero > reiniciarcon a new call for applications. > > > Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO > ALAC member for 2015-2017. > > > Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus > we have made a choice according explained, taking three background > Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the > meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was > incomplete. > > > In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the > Voting next steps. > > > In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why > It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot. > > > It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not expressly estn > regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos > in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation > expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting > prior to the community. > > > This is rational only solution we have found to solve this > such drawbacks. > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > > > > --- > Avast antivirus software has analyzed this e-mail for viruses. > http://www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/> > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1a333e9d44.html --]]

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Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votaci�n sobre Moci�n Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moci�n Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty
by hcarrascob＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votación sobre Moción Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moción Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty De: hcarrascob(a)gmail.com Querida Jacqueline, Alberto y yo hablamos de su propuesta y creemos que este es un buen solución para el problema al que nos enfrentamos ahora. Creo que Alejandro Pisanty no tiene ningún problema con esto. Vamos a celebrar las elecciones para las 2 semanas. Saludos El 29/07/2015 a las 20:48, Jacqueline Morris escribio: > Dear all > If it was proposed on July 20th in the meeting, why was it only posted > to the list as a motion over a week later? Some of us work and cannot > attend the meetings at the proposed time. The list acts as the virtual > GA. > I'd like to request a hold on the poll for the 2 weeks per rule 11.2 > so that all of us have the requisite 2 weeks to consider the motion, > and any points of order thereof. > Sincerely > Jacqueline Morris > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Humberto Carrasco > <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com <mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Dev, > > Your quotation is right. However, the same rule says, "As a > general rule", which means that there is an exception. It is true > that we did not wait 2 weeks. The reason is because Alejandro > Pisanty proposed this resolution the 20th of July in our general > meeting with translation in English, Spanish and Portuguese. We > understood that the proposal had been known for a significant > number of members of LACRALO on day 20th of July. Also, the > proposal does not seem to be a complex motion that requires > detailed analysis. Therefore, we used the exceptional power to > vote on this motion without waiting the two weeks period. > > In any case, we will put the motion for comments as you requested > on the wiki. > > Regards > > > El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: >> I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto >> Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat. >> >> As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or >> amendment shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has >> been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than >> two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the >> Assembly. >> >> THIS WAS NOT DONE. >> >> Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the >> motion there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Dev Anand >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff >> <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org>> wrote: >> >> == EN == >> >> Dear All, >> >> Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisantyâs motion? Formal Motion >> from Alejandro Pisanty: >> >> a. LACRALOâs Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with >> policy issues for discussion. >> b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused >> on debate of current ICANN public consultations. >> * Yes >> * No >> * Abstain >> >> == ES == >> >> Hola a todos, >> >> Â¿Usted apoya la mociÃ³n de Alejandro Pisanty? >> >> a. que la Presidencia y la SecretarÃa hagan una agenda de >> temas de polÃticas para su discusiÃ³n >> b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesiÃ³n mensual se dediquen a >> temas sustantivos de debate de polÃticas en curso en >> consultas pÃºblicas de ICANN >> >> *Si >> *No >> *AbstenciÃ³n >> >> Regards, >> >> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, >> Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew >> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC >> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org <mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann >> <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge >> <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge >> <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d4bb4da5c.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2
by rok＠bango.org.bb July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 De: rok(a)bango.org.bb Hablé de la lengua oficial en la ICANN, que es el Inglés. Humberto introdujo LACRALO que es cuando le pregunté si él está considerando español siendo la lengua oficial de LACRALO. No estoy seguro de cómo que se suma a no leer las reglas? República de Corea Desde: Jacqueline Morris [mailto: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com] Enviado: Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 16:18 Para: Humberto Carrasco Cc: Roosvelt O. Rey; Webmaster; Bartlett Morgan; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2 Pienso que cada uno debe parar y leer los Principios de funcionamiento. LACRALO comenzó como un grupo bilingüe. La primera en ICANN. Los planes eran para aumentar el número de idiomas de funcionamiento, según sea necesario. Fue el primero que se decidió en la primera reunión de planificación para crear LACRALO. Así que la República de Corea y Humberto, ambos están equivocados. Sinceramente, y conseguir bastante harto de la gente que no lee las reglas antes de discutir como si saben hechos. Jacqueline [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/5a81c9ab99.html --]]

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Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votaci�n sobre Moci�n Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moci�n Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votación sobre Moción Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moción Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Gracias Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 4:41 de la tarde, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Dear Jacqueline, > Alberto and I discussed your proposal and we believe this is a good > solution for the problem that we face now. > I believe Alejandro Pisanty does not have any problem with this. > We are going to hold the poll for the 2 weeks. > Regards > > > > > El 29/07/2015 a las 08:48 p.m., Jacqueline Morris escribiÃ³: > > Dear all > If it was proposed on July 20th in the meeting, why was it only posted to > the list as a motion over a week later? Some of us work and cannot attend > the meetings at the proposed time. The list acts as the virtual GA. > I'd like to request a hold on the poll for the 2 weeks per rule 11.2 so > that all of us have the requisite 2 weeks to consider the motion, and any > points of order thereof. > Sincerely > Jacqueline Morris > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Dev, >> >> Your quotation is right. However, the same rule says, "As a general >> rule", which means that there is an exception. It is true that we did not >> wait 2 weeks. The reason is because Alejandro Pisanty proposed this >> resolution the 20th of July in our general meeting with translation in >> English, Spanish and Portuguese. We understood that the proposal had been >> known for a significant number of members of LACRALO on day 20th of July. >> Also, the proposal does not seem to be a complex motion that requires >> detailed analysis. Therefore, we used the exceptional power to vote on this >> motion without waiting the two weeks period. >> >> In any case, we will put the motion for comments as you requested on the >> wiki. >> >> Regards >> >> >> El 29/07/2015 a las 11:56 a.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: >> >> I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto >> Carassco in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat. >> >> As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment >> shall be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated >> sufficiently in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all >> participants in the working languages of the Assembly. >> >> THIS WAS NOT DONE. >> >> Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion >> there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Dev Anand >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < >> staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: >> >>> == EN == >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisantyâs motion? Formal Motion from >>> Alejandro Pisanty: >>> >>> a. LACRALOâs Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy >>> issues for discussion. >>> b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate >>> of current ICANN public consultations. >>> >>> * Yes >>> * No >>> * Abstain >>> >>> == ES == >>> >>> Hola a todos, >>> >>> Â¿Usted apoya la mociÃ³n de Alejandro Pisanty? >>> >>> a. que la Presidencia y la SecretarÃa hagan una agenda de temas de >>> polÃticas para su discusiÃ³n >>> b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesiÃ³n mensual se dediquen a temas >>> sustantivos de debate de polÃticas en curso en consultas pÃºblicas de ICANN >>> >>> *Si >>> *No >>> *AbstenciÃ³n >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie >>> Peregrine and Terri Agnew >>> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC >>> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >>> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >>> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge >>> <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing listlac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.orghttps://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/746f397bf4.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Es cierto, Lance, que eran una de esas almas incondicionales ultimando texto que significaba lo mismo en varios idiomas, con demasiados abogados en el ¡habitación! Ustedes hicieron increíble. Lástima que los primeros trabajos está tan olvidado. Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 4:39 de la tarde, en Lance Hinds <brainstreetceo(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Long days as I recall. All in order to ensure there was balance, fairness > and clarity on both sides > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Jacqueline Morris < > jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> wrote: > >> BTW - the documents were written in both Spanish and English at the same >> time. Neither was a simple translation from the other. Ask Carlton about >> that process. >> JAM >> >> Jacqueline A. Morris >> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Jacqueline Morris < >> jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Roosevelt >>> You wrote and I quote: >>> "Is not the official language English? The Spanish translators need to >>> get it right? You questioning the translation? " >>> >>> Unfortunately you didn't refer to the official language of who or what >>> here. >>> >>> Given that LACRALO is the topic of discussion, I think it only >>> reasonable for the reader to assume that you meant the official language of >>> LACRALO. I certainly read it as such. >>> We try our best to function in a bi- and tri-lingual way. It helps to be >>> extremely clear and be sure to clearly spell out subject and object when >>> writing in this sort of environment. >>> >>> My $0.02 >>> >>> Jacqueline A. Morris >>> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >>> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Roosevelt King <rok(a)bango.org.bb> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I spoke of the official language in ICANN, which is English. Humberto >>>> introduced LACRALO which is when I asked him if he is deeming Spanish to be >>>> the official language of LACRALO. I am not sure how that adds up to not >>>> reading the rules? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ROK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Jacqueline Morris [mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com] >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 29 July 2015 16:18 >>>> *To:* Humberto Carrasco >>>> *Cc:* Roosvelt O. King; Webmaster; Bartlett Morgan; >>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> *Subject:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think EVERYONE should stop and read the Operating Principles. LACRALO >>>> started as a BILINGUAL group. The first in ICANN. The plans were to >>>> increase the number of operating languages as necessary. It was the first >>>> thing decided at the first planning meeting to create LACRALO. >>>> >>>> So ROK and Humberto, you are both wrong. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, and getting quite fed up with people who do not read the >>>> rules before discussing them as if they know facts. >>>> >>>> Jacqueline >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> > > > -- > Lance Hinds > Chief Technology Officer > BrainStreet Group > 287 'C' Albert St. > Georgetown Guyana > > > > > This message contains information that may be privileged and/or > confidential and is the property of BrainStreet Technologies or BrainStreet > Learning. The information contained herein is intended only for the > individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to > receive it . If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized > to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or take any action > in reliance to the contents of this information or any part thereof and it > may be unlawful to do so. If you receive this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message from > your system. BrainStreet Technologies or BrainStreet Learning are neither > liable for the proper and complete transmission of the information > contained in this communication nor any delay in its receipt. > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/15465bb6b5.html --]]

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