Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2

July 29, 2015

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 Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 
 De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com

 Um, bueno, aquí vamos de nuevo. La ignorancia de LACRALO institucional 
 arreglos ya está pasado problemático. 

 Una vez más, insto a los dirigentes a tomar y estudiar los instrumentos. Usted 
 no están haciendo a ti mismo orgullosa en estos episodios. Y peor aún, hay una 
 cierta arrogancia toparse con la ignorancia. 

 El lenguaje se define en los Principios de funcionamiento, una lectura obligada para el 
 Secretaría. Aquí está la sección correspondiente, en Inglés: 

 Principios de funcionamiento: 

 * "El LacRALO será multilingüe desde su inicio. Todos los documentos * 
 * Serán escritos y todos los debates se llevarán a cabo en Inglés y Español. 
 Ello* 
 * Se planea añadir el portugués y el francés en un futuro próximo y hasta * 
 * Reevaluar periódicamente la necesidad de añadir otros idiomas utilizados en la región. "* 

 Esa es una definición de funcionario como podamos. 

 -Carlton Samuels 

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 El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 2:43 de la tarde, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com>
 escribió:
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Well,
I am not saying that Spanish is the official language. I say that we have
no official language in LACRALO because our Operative principles and RoP
say nothing about that.
Regards
El 29/07/2015 a las 08:34 p.m., BANGO escribiÃ³:
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My! My! The official language of ICANN is English. Is it different in the
regions? Of course if you deem the official language to be Spanish in
LACRALO, Long live the Emperor.
ROK
-----Original Message-----
From: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:
lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto
Carrasco
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:30
To: rok@bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan'
Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2
Dear Roosvelt,
Why do you think the official language is English in LACRALO?
Regards
El 29/07/2015 a las 08:27 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³:
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"In no case" means "under any circumstances", even if you say there are
exceptions, the exceptions would be one case/circumstance... the rule says,
"in no case". I am not sure what is so difficult about that to understand
or is it a case of unwillingness to understand? The English version does
not confirm your interpretation and hence there is no way that the Spanish
version could. Using language as a Red Herring? Is not the official
language English? The Spanish translators need to get it right? You
questioning the translation? That does not make you right???
ROK
-----Original Message-----
From: Humberto Carrasco [mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:49
To: rok@bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan'
Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2
I disagree.
Furthermore, if you read the Spanish version, the wording confirms our
interpretation.
Regards
El 29/07/2015 a las 07:23 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³:
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Bartlett is correct.
ROK
-----Original Message-----
From: lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org
[mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of
Bartlett Morgan
Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:31
To: Humberto Carrasco
Cc: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2
Hi Humberto,
The controlling phrase in the rule is "in no case less than two weeks".
Therefore even in the case of exceptions, that requirement would have
to be complied with.
I don't think your interpretation is faithful to the plain literal
meaning of the rule.
$.02
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Bartlett Morgan
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On Jul 29, 2015 9:33 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Dear Dev,
There is no misunderstanding.
The rule says "As a general rule", in spanish "Como regla General".
This wording means, that there could be some exceptions. We used this
exception.
I explained the reasons before.
Regards
El 29/07/2015 a las 02:06 p.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³:
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I'll repost Rule 11.2 since there seems to be a misunderstanding.
11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be
discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in
advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the
working languages of the Assembly.
11.2 Como regla general. sÃ³lo se tratarÃ¡n y se someterÃ¡n a votaciÃ³n
las resoluciones o enmiendas que se hayan distribuido con al menos dos
semanas de anticipaciÃ³n, a todos los participantes de la Asamblea, en todos
los idiomas con los que Ã©sta trabaje.
Dev Anand
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