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Re: Di�logo Regional de Banda Ancha (CEPAL) - Comisi�n Econ�mica para Am�rica Latina y el Caribe
by andrespiazza＠gmail.com May 4, 2012

May 4, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Diálogo Regional de Banda Ancha (CEPAL) - Comisión Económica para América Latina y el Caribe De: andrespiazza(a)gmail.com Nosotros (LACNIC), están trabajando en estrecha colaboración con la CEPAL en esta materia. Fernando Rojas será uno de los oradores de nuestra reunión en Quito, el próximo semanas. http://lacnic.net/en/eventos/lacnicxvii/~~V La participación a distancia está disponible. Andrs 04/05/2012 Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> > Read and see: > > http://www.eclac.org/cgi-bin/getProd.asp?xml=/socinfo/noticias/noticias/9/4… > > > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > * Andres Piazza * www.andrespiazza.com _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c1d705c5df.html --]]

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Di�logo Regional de Banda Ancha (CEPAL) - Comisi�n Econ�mica para Am�rica Latina y el Caribe
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com May 4, 2012

May 4, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Diálogo Regional de Banda Ancha (CEPAL) - Comisión Económica para América Latina y el Caribe De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Lea y vea: - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/f20326d6a8.html --]]

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Discurso de la se�ora Reding a la APD europeas
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Discurso de la señora Reding a la APD europeas De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com ... En su conferencia de primavera. Ella se refirió a algunas cuestiones pertinentes a la nueva iniciativa de reforma de la UE sobre protección de datos de privacidad, los objetivos, la percepción de los cambios en el régimen regulatorio y el rol de la Europea Junta de Protección de Datos. [El antiguo artículo 29 Grupo de Trabajo]. Ella quiere ver la iniciativa de reforma aprobada en 2013. Véase el discurso aquí: - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/868948cf6f.html --]]

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Resultados de las Elecciones de la Secretar�a de LACRALO t�rmino de un a�o de 04 de mayo 2012
by devtee＠gmail.com May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Resultados de las Elecciones de la Secretaría de LACRALO término de un año de 04 de mayo 2012 De: devtee(a)gmail.com Queridos todos, La votación en línea para elegir a la Secretaría de LACRALO por un período de un año del 4 de mayo 2012 ha concluido y sigue los resultados como como: 31 de un total de 40 ALS en LACRALO participaron en la elección, que es 77,5% del electorado. Los resultados BigPulse de los votos emitidos por cada votante puede ver en https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=2392ZDHAu9k7q64VaWfq7pJw Los votos para los candidatos han sido contabilizados según la regla 12.9 de la RP (cada voto se pondera con un coeficiente de país), y el resultado por el candidato de la votación ponderado es como sigue: Roosevelt Rey (BANGO): 13,32% Sylvia Herlein-Leite: 57,49% Usted puede encontrar la hoja de cálculo que muestra el cálculo del voto ponderado en el https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao5dV8HXW3JzdFM0SUV4UUI0N3NTOV… o http://db.tt/4h1WyqAR Con 57,49%, Sylvia Herlein-Leite ha sido elegido como el LACRALO Secretaría por un período de un año 04 de mayo 2012. Un agradecimiento especial a Roosevelt y felicitaciones a Sylvia Herlein-Leite. Saludos cordiales, Dev Anand Teelucksingh LACRALO Secretaría -------------------------------------------------- ---- Estimados miembros de LACRALO, El voto en línea párr Elegir al estilo de la Secretaría de LACRALO Por Un ao DESDE El 4 de Mayo del 2012 ha concluído y los Resultados hijo de los Siguientes: 31 de 40 ALS en LACRALO participaron en la eleccin, los cuales representan el 77,5% del electorado. Los Resultados de los votos de BigPulse Por Cada personaje Que voto pueden en el verso https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=2392ZDHAu9k7q64VaWfq7pJw Los votos de los Candidatos Han Sido computados de acuerdo al estilo de Regla 12.9 de las Reglas de Procedure (Cada voto es valorado de acuerdo Por una ONU Coeficiente PAS), y El Resultado pÃ¡rr El candidato de acuerdo al voto valorado Es El Siguiente: Roosevelt Rey (BANGO): 13,32% Sylvia Herlein-Leite: 57,49% You can ENCONTRAR EL hoja de cÃ¡lculo mostrando El calculo del voto en https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao5dV8HXW3JzdFM0SUV4UUI0N3NTOV… o http://db.tt/4h1WyqAR Con 57,49%, Sylvia Herlein-Leite ha Sido Elegida Como la SecretarÃa de LACRALO Por Un ao empezando El 4 de Mayo del 2012. Mi Agradecimiento especial y un Roosevelt felicitaciones uno Sylvia Herlein-Leite. Saludos cordiales, Dev Anand Teelucksingh LACRALO SecretarÃa _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/09ffa7b460.html --]]

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Re: Resultados de la Elecci�n de la Secretar�a de LACRALO t�rmino de un a�o de 04 de mayo 2012
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org May 3, 2012

May 3, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Resultados de la Elección de la Secretaría de LACRALO término de un año de 04 de mayo 2012 De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Querida Silvia, Felicidades por su elección a la Secretaría de LACRALO de At-Large Personal! Estamos deseando trabajar con usted en su nueva posición de LACRALO Secretaría! Un cordial saludo, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Matt Ashtiani, Gisela Gruber, y Nathalie Halcón peregrino El personal de ICANN política en apoyo de ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org ----- Mensaje original ----- De: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de Dev Anand Teelucksingh Enviado el: Martes, 01 de mayo 2012 17:53 Para: lista de discusión de LACRALO Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] Resultados de la Elección de la Secretaría de LACRALO plazo de un año a partir de 04 de mayo 2012 Queridos todos, La votación en línea para elegir a la Secretaría de LACRALO por un período de un año a partir 04 de mayo 2012 ha concluido y sigue los resultados como como: 31 de un total de 40 ALS en LACRALO participaron en la elección, que es 77,5% del electorado. Los resultados BigPulse de los votos emitidos por cada votante puede ver en https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=2392ZDHAu9k7q64VaWfq7pJw Los votos para los candidatos han sido contabilizados según la regla 12.9 de la ROP (Cada voto se pondera con un coeficiente de país), y el resultado para el candidato del voto ponderado es como sigue: Roosevelt Rey (BANGO): 13,32% Sylvia Herlein-Leite: 57,49% Usted puede encontrar la hoja de cÃ¡lculo que muestra el cÃ¡lculo del voto ponderado en el https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao5dV8HXW3JzdFM0SUV4UUI0N3NTOVh zT05TUnhIeEE o http://db.tt/4h1WyqAR Con 57,49%, Sylvia Herlein-Leite ha sido elegido como el LACRALO SecretarÃa por un perÃodo de un aÃ±o 04 de mayo 2012. Un agradecimiento especial a Roosevelt y felicitaciones a Sylvia Herlein-Leite. Saludos cordiales, Dev Anand Teelucksingh LACRALO SecretarÃa -------------------------------------------------- ---- Estimados miembros de LACRALO, El voto en lÃnea pÃ¡rr Elegir al estilo de la SecretarÃa de LACRALO Por Un ao Desde El 4 de Mayo del 2012 ha concluÃdo y los Resultados hijo de los Siguientes: 31 de 40 ALS en LACRALO participaron en la eleccin, los cuales representan el 77,5% del electorado. Los Resultados de los votos de BigPulse Por Cada personaje Que voto pueden en el verso https://www.bigpulse.com/pollresults?code=2392ZDHAu9k7q64VaWfq7pJw Los votos de los Candidatos Han Sido computados de acuerdo al estilo de Regla 12.9 de las Reglas de Procedure (Cada voto es valorado de acuerdo la ONU Coeficiente Por PAS), y El Resultado pÃ¡rr El candidato de acuerdo al voto valorado Es El Siguiente: Roosevelt Rey (BANGO): 13,32% Sylvia Herlein-Leite: 57,49% You can ENCONTRAR EL hoja de cÃ¡lculo mostrando El calculo del voto en https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao5dV8HXW3JzdFM0SUV4UUI0N3NTOVh zT05TUnhIeEE o http://db.tt/4h1WyqAR Con 57,49%, Sylvia Herlein-Leite ha Sido Elegida Como SecretarÃa de LACRALO Por Un ao empezando El 4 de Mayo del 2012. Mi Agradecimiento especial y un Roosevelt felicitaciones uno de Sylvia Herlein-Leite. Saludos cordiales, Dev Anand Teelucksingh LACRALO SecretarÃa _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e26af7a89a.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Resultados Electorales Comentarios
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com May 2, 2012

May 2, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Resultados Electorales Comentarios De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Estimado José A.: Veo un intento sincero para que sea equilibrada, pero lamentablemente aquí, lo haré excepto yo. Sería bueno si su advertencia de no criticar es compartida por todos. Pero la evidencia está en contra de usted. Y tal vez sería necesario a intervenir más a menudo con esta lección. Definitivamente malinterpretar mis palabras con respecto a la profesión de abogado. Nada de lo que dijo "menospreciado" la profesión. Por el contrario, expresaron su preocupación sobre la capacidad de * * un miembro en el contexto del profundo conocimiento los procedimientos de que suele atribuirse a los miembros de la profesión jurídica. La mía fue una respuesta directa a las publicaciones en el hilo de correo electrónico. * ** En mi * opinión, la referencia a la elección no caso de San José mostró una insuficiencia demostrable de que el escritor entender las reglas básicas de procedimiento. Y a partir de la evidencia, no es el único en este sentido. Sí, podría haber repetido el nombre del contribuyente, pero está ahí ya.Tal vez yo podría haber dicho algo como que no contrataría a - o recomendar la contratación - que arregle un billete de cruzar la calle! Pero que sería descortés. Es una elección. Por último, presidió las elecciones. Las normas que le ayuden a reconocer todos los movimientos, así como el proponente de las mociones. Así que, usted sabe - o debería saber! - La identidad del miembro que propuso llamar a elecciones en SJO. Me atrevería a decir que no debería estar entre los confundidos. He optado por utilizar "parlamentario" lenguaje de aquÃ. Debido a que todos GA los asistentes que - o deberÃa - por ahora sabemos los nombres de las personas que han puesto relacionadas con las elecciones movimientos en SJO. Sin embargo, si a su juicio se lleva la necesidad de una mayor claridad, es muy buena idea ampliar mis comentarios y compartir el nombre del miembro. Saludos cordiales, - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A MÃ³vil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, PlanificaciÃ³n, Gobierno, EvaluaciÃ³n y plazos * ============================= On Wed, 2 de mayo de 2012 a las 5:35 pm, JosFrancisco Arce < > josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com escribiÃ³: > Dear Carlton: with all due respect, I want to share my vision with you. > > > There is a saying in English: 'Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be > wise'. > > There is another one: "the law is too important to leave to lawyers". > > I do not know their equivalencies in Spanish and a word by word translation > would be inadequate. Our LACRALO machine translation will be crude, at > best. Nevertheless, I shall not attempt one here. > > We have always known that there is a reservoir of ignorance of LACRALO > > rules. More to point, ignorance of how they apply is really acute. The sad > fact is this ignorance is demonstrated by some of our colleagues who, by > virtue of their profession, one would least expect. > > I do not like saying, because is better speak or write directly, so in > this way people can understand better what you are trying to say, even more > if many of them do not speak English. > > I see your words as a disparagement of others or for some profession > (there is a common mistake in people and > > that is to put forward a profession by the person), and that is not the > vision that has to have a leader of the region, because we are all pairs, > some people has more experience than others, some work more than others, > some of them find it more difficult than others, and the Key is not to > criticize, the key is to build cooperative and collaborative dialogues. > > We have to ask ourselves What we did to be at this point? What we did to > fix it? What we plan to overcome the difficulties? > > > Without any fear of contradiction I now make this declaration: Any LACRALO > election in San Jose would have been illegal for lack of proper notice. > > In my part of the world, notice is a pre-requisite for democratic > elections. This is because they are processes, not just one event. Take any > junta of the kind we witness time and again in the LAC region and I can > demonstrate that even they know this. > > Your part of the world is my part of the world too (we have only one > world). And without fear I say that I share with you the meaning of > democratic. > > > I know for certain that our democratically-elected friend, Hugo, knows > this. [To the chagrin of his opponents! :-)] > > Notice typically has three elements; time, duration and content. A > violation of any element condemns the notice. > > The attempt to call an immediate LACRALO election at San Jose by invoking > the full UNGA Rules as authority [and allowed under LACRALO rules!] would > have also been in violation. > > Not only for the violation of the notice period. But the process by which > the voting event would have been taken on the agenda would not have saved > the day. That would have had one effect, to add the matter to the agenda. > A notice period plus candidates are still necessary for the election. > > In addition to all that, the member on whose behalf the attempt to hasten > the election is being executed VOLUNTARILY withdrew HIS element of notice > from the Agenda. > > In other words, the member, maybe unwittingly, fouled his own pool. Those > of us opposed to the barefaced violation of the rules would not have to do > anything more. > > Dear Carlton I would like to ask you to mention manes in your lines. > Because your lines bring more confusion than clarification. We should speak > clear, because this is not the right way to refer to someone. This is not > the communication that I want for the region. A person could say anything, > with name and surname, and if there is with respect there is nothing to say. > > > So now, let's speak to the concerns for poor use of ICANN funds raised in > this thread. Here is a phrase that works here: 'La historia me absolvera'. > > I do not share your opinion about the poor use of IANN funds. For me the > all events were successful, but is only my personal view. And I remember > your word in Skype chat of ALAC saying after the fiasco talking about the > GA, be careful because we create what we say and you are part of that. I > read only negative word in your last email, I read many, but few with > initiatives. > > Is not only important to know how to do something, but more important is > know how to teach. To this I invite you all Carlos Aguirre, Carlton, Vanda, > Alejandro, the region need your support, your experience. > > > Most of you would probably not know but ever since 2006, there has been an > enduring nucleus of opposition for ICANN travel support to the At-Large > attending ICANN meetings. This opposition is largely from North America, > among persons associated with the placeholder ALAC the new RALO included > structure replaced. > > The most corrosive criticism alleged that At-Large participants who > received travel support for ICANN meetings were really tourists first. > Their involvement in the At-Large agenda at the meetings was secondary. > > This criticism was leveled at the At-Large in general but to my mind, > sharply directed at members from LAC and Africa. > > Several recorded observations placed members from LACRALO at the centre of > these criticisms. To be brutally frank, one of our members was the THE > poster boy for this abuse. > > I share your opinion regarding tourist and is one of my most important > concern, and we have to work together to find the way to overcome this. > > Again, say names are the right way to express, and you give others the > opportunity to replicate. > > > I have, in good nature, endured severe personal criticism because I opposed > any attempt to publicly censure those deemed guilty. Some of my colleagues > interpreted my opposition as protecting a certain LACRALO member - who > shall remain nameless here. More thoughtful others recognized it for what > it was; defense of a principle rather than personalities. > > All that aside, this member has enjoyed my support for other At-large > duties. Yes, you guessed right. This member actually solicited my support > for other positions. And yes, because of the larger strategic interests, I > gave it. > > By now, some of you might have also guessed my loathing for hypocrisy and > all its works. One is supposed to celebrate conversion, as it were, to 'the > one true faith'. At least, that is the Christian tradition. > > Count me as a reliable skeptic. Because to be frank, this latest conversion > we witness is really over the top. It is nothing more than a rancid > example of enlightened self-interest. > > That is the word. > > > I do not want you take this personally, because I do not support Jose > OvidioŽs words. My commitment is with the region. > > My finally message is be careful on what we say, because words are > power, begin to think as a group, that is the key for the growth of the > region. > > > Dear Carlton, I really appreciate your lines, because sharing our vision > is the way to create the LACRALO that we all want. > > My admiration for your work > > > > Kind Regards > > > > José Arce.- > > > > > 2012/5/2 Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> > >> Bro Carlos: >> You are right on fact as well as strategy. I cannot disagree with you >> here. >> >> With the greatest respect and affection. >> >> - Carlton >> >> ============================== >> Carlton A Samuels >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >> ============================= >> >> >> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:57 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre < >> carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > My Dear Bro. We have coincidence in almost 90% of your words. I know >> what >> > do you want to say, I feel and live like you in many things, And you >> know >> > that my position is the true that I believe, more than some strategies >> or >> > diferences in the political positions. >> > But when is needed to be clear, sometimes we must be rude. I think is >> this >> > in where our positions dont find coincidence. Your words were very >> strong, >> > but without names, and I felt that we needed names also in your words. >> We >> > need to start to say names. Because in a contrary case all in the region >> > are involved, and many of them being not guilty for that. It my humble >> > thought. >> > >> > My permanent enormous affectionate >> > >> > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre >> > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN >> > former ALAC member by LACRALO >> > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios >> > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - >> > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 >> > http://ar.ageiadensi.org >> > >> > >> > > From: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com >> > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:12:21 -0500 >> > > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Election Results Comments >> > >> > > >> > > There is a saying in English: 'Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly >> to >> > be >> > > wise'. >> > > >> > > There is another one: "the law is too important to leave to lawyers". >> > > >> > > I do not know their equivalencies in Spanish and a word by word >> > translation >> > > would be inadequate. Our LACRALO machine translation will be crude, at >> > > best. Nevertheless, I shall not attempt one here. >> > > >> > > We have always know that there is a reservoir of ignorance of LACRALO >> > > rules. More to point, ignorance of how they apply is really acute. The >> > sad >> > > fact is this ignorance is demonstrated by some of our colleagues who, >> by >> > > virtue of their profession, one would least expect. >> > > >> > > Without any fear of contradiction I now make this declaration: Any >> > LACRALO >> > > election in San Jose would have been illegal for lack of proper >> notice. >> > > >> > > In my part of the world, notice is a pre-requisite for democratic >> > > elections. This is because they are processes, not just one event. >> Take >> > any >> > > junta of the kind we witness time and again in the LAC region and I >> can >> > > demonstrate that even they know this. >> > > >> > > I know for certain that our democratically-elected friend, Hugo, knows >> > > this. [To the chagrin of his opponents! :-)] >> > > >> > > Notice typically has three elements; time, duration and content. A >> > > violation of any element condemns the notice. >> > > >> > > The attempt to call an immediate LACRALO election at San Jose by >> invoking >> > > the full UNGA Rules as authority [and allowed under LACRALO rules!] >> would >> > > have also been in violation. >> > > >> > > Not only for the violation of the notice period. But the process by >> which >> > > the voting event would have been taken on the agenda would not have >> saved >> > > the day. That would have had one effect, to add the matter to the >> agenda. >> > > A notice period plus candidates are still necessary for the election. >> > > >> > > In addition to all that, the member on whose behalf the attempt to >> hasten >> > > the election is being executed VOLUNTARILY withdrew HIS element of >> notice >> > > from the Agenda. >> > > >> > > In other words, the member, maybe unwittingly, fouled his own pool. >> Those >> > > of us opposed to the barefaced violation of the rules would not have >> to >> > do >> > > anything more. >> > > >> > > So now, let's speak to the concerns for poor use of ICANN funds >> raised in >> > > this thread. Here is a phrase that works here: 'La historia me >> > absolvera'. >> > > >> > > Most of you would probably not know but ever since 2006, there has >> been >> > an >> > > enduring nucleus of opposition for ICANN travel support to the >> At-Large >> > > attending ICANN meetings. This opposition is largely from North >> America, >> > > among persons associated with the placeholder ALAC the new RALO >> included >> > > structure replaced. >> > > >> > > The most corrosive criticism alleged that At-Large participants who >> > > received travel support for ICANN meetings were really tourists first. >> > > Their involvement in the At-Large agenda at the meetings was >> secondary. >> > > >> > > This criticism was leveled at the At-Large in general but to my mind, >> > > sharply directed at members from LAC and Africa. >> > > >> > > Several recorded observations placed members from LACRALO at the >> centre >> > of >> > > these criticisms. To be brutally frank, one of our members was the THE >> > > poster boy for this abuse. >> > > >> > > I have, in good nature, endured severe personal criticism because I >> > opposed >> > > any attempt to publicly censure those deemed guilty. Some of my >> > colleagues >> > > interpreted my opposition as protecting a certain LACRALO member - who >> > > shall remain nameless here. More thoughtful others recognized it for >> what >> > > it was; defense of a principle rather than personalities. >> > > >> > > All that aside, this member has enjoyed my support for other At-large >> > > duties. Yes, you guessed right. This member actually solicited my >> support >> > > for other positions. And yes, because of the larger strategic >> interests, >> > I >> > > gave it. >> > > >> > > By now, some of you might have also guessed my loathing for hypocrisy >> and >> > > all its works. One is supposed to celebrate conversion, as it were, to >> > 'the >> > > one true faith'. At least, that is the Christian tradition. >> > > >> > > Count me as a reliable skeptic. Because to be frank, this latest >> > conversion >> > > we witness is really over the top. It is nothing more than a rancid >> > > example of enlightened self-interest. >> > > >> > > That is the word. >> > > >> > > - Carlton Samuels >> > > >> > > ============================== >> > > Carlton A Samuels >> > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 >> > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >> > >> > > ============================= >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM, <cveraq(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> > > > >> > > > Subject: Re: =? Windows-1252? Q? Resultados_de_la_Elecci = F3n_de_? >> == >> > > > Windows-1252? Q? = 09L = 09a_Secretar = EDa_de_LACRALO_t = >> > E9rmino_de_un_? >> > > > == Windows-1252? Q? A = F1o_ = 09de_04_de_ = 09mayo_2012 ? = >> > > > From: cveraq(a)gmail.com >> > > > >> > > > Incredible .. And those are the people demanding commitment and >> demand >> > .. >> > > > # Prohibidoolvidar >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > While we are not transparent, conscious of our responsibilities and >> > > > understand that not everything revolves around our personal >> interests, >> > the >> > > > region will continue dependent. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Today we strongly believe in a good team without conditions. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Carlos Vera >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Alberto Soto" <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> >> > > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 00:11:41 >> > > > To: <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> ; <cveraq(a)gmail.com> ; 'LACRALO >> Spanish' >> > < >> > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > Cc: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> > > > Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the choice of l >> > > > trmino LACRALO to secrete a year of 04 >> > > > May 2012 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I agree with the view of the precious time lost in Costa Rica, in >> > addition >> > > > ICANN payment of money, just for personal interests that harm us >> > > > all. A general assembly can not be lost completely only two >> > > > people present. ICANN is a lot of money and OUR, and long >> > > > staff of each of us invested. >> > > > Best Regards >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Alberto Soto >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > > > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf >> Of >> > > > Jose >> > > > Ovidio Salgueiro A. >> > > > Posted on: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:09 pm >> > > > To: cveraq(a)gmail.com; LACRALO Espaol >> > > > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the election of the >> secrete of >> > > > LACRALO trmino of one year from May 4, 2012 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Congratulations to Sylvia by Josy strong result. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > This leads me to think that the ridiculous we did in the Assembly in >> > San >> > > > Josfue unnecessary since this result was the same as hubiramos >> > > > all obtained. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > The Caribbean was not able or San Josni now to put a candidate with >> the >> > > > capacity for a votacin important. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I hope that now if you can work as expected in our organization >> > > > and without the narrow interests that previously demonstrated >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > JosSalgueiro >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Sent from my BlackBerry Movistar >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > lac-discuss-en mailing list >> > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> > > > > -- > Ab. Arce, Jose Francisco > + 54 9 351 6788920 > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ad85c34511.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Resultados Electorales Comentarios
by josefranciscoarce＠gmail.com May 2, 2012

May 2, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Resultados Electorales Comentarios De: josefranciscoarce(a)gmail.com Querido Carlton: con todo respeto, quiero compartir mi visión con usted. Hay un dicho en Inglés: "Cuando la ignorancia es felicidad, es una locura para ser sabios '. No hay otra: "la ley es demasiado importante para dejarla a los abogados". No sé sus equivalencias en español y una palabra por la traducción de una palabra sería insuficiente. Nuestra traducción automática LACRALO será crudo, a mejor. Sin embargo, no voy a intentar una aquí. Siempre hemos sabido que hay una reserva de la ignorancia de LACRALO reglas. Más al punto, el desconocimiento de cómo se aplican es muy aguda. El triste hecho es que esta ignorancia se demuestra en algunos de nuestros colegas que, por virtud de su profesión, uno menos lo espera. No me gusta decir, porque es mejor hablar o escribir directamente, por lo que en de esta manera la gente puede entender mejor lo que estás tratando de decir, aún más si muchos de ellos no hablan Inglés. Veo sus palabras como un menosprecio de otros, o por alguna profesión (no Es un error común en las personas y que es proponer una profesión de la persona), y que no es el visión que tiene que tener un líder de la región, porque todos somos pares, algunas personas tiene más experiencia que otros, algunos trabajos más que otros, algunos de ellos les resulta más difícil que otros, y la clave no es critican, la clave es la construcción de diálogos de cooperación y colaboración. Tenemos que preguntarnos qué hemos hecho para estar en este momento? Â¿QuÃ© hemos hecho para arreglarlo? Lo que va a superar las dificultades? Sin ningÃºn temor a la contradicciÃ³n que ahora hacen esta declaraciÃ³n: Cualquier LACRALO las elecciones en San JosÃ© hubiera sido ilegal por falta de la debida notificaciÃ³n. En mi parte del mundo, la notificaciÃ³n es un requisito previo para la democracia las elecciones. Esto se debe a que son procesos, no sÃ³lo un evento. Tome cualquier junta de la clase somos testigos de una y otra vez en la regiÃ³n de AmÃ©rica Latina y puedo demostrar que ni siquiera ellos lo saben. Su parte del mundo es mi parte del mundo tambiÃ©n (sÃ³lo tenemos una mundo).Y sin temor digo que quiero compartir con ustedes el significado de democrÃ¡tico. SÃ© a ciencia cierta que nuestro elegido democrÃ¡ticamente amigo, Hugo, sabe esto. [Para disgusto de sus oponentes! :-)] Aviso general consta de tres elementos, el tiempo, duraciÃ³n y contenido. A violaciÃ³n de cualquier elemento de condena de la notificaciÃ³n. El intento de convocar a elecciones LACRALO inmediato en San JosÃ© mediante la invocaciÃ³n de las reglas completas AGNU como autoridad [y permitido por las reglas de LACRALO!] lo harÃa TambiÃ©n ha habido una violaciÃ³n. No sÃ³lo por la violaciÃ³n del plazo de preaviso. Sin embargo, el proceso mediante el cual el caso de la votaciÃ³n que se han tomado en la agenda no se ha guardado el dÃa. Eso habrÃa tenido un efecto, para aÃ±adir el asunto al orden del dÃa. Un perÃodo de notificaciÃ³n, mÃ¡s los candidatos siguen siendo necesarios para la elecciÃ³n. AdemÃ¡s de todo esto, el miembro en cuyo nombre el intento de acelerar la la elecciÃ³n se estÃ¡ ejecutando retirÃ³ voluntariamente su elemento de aviso del orden del dÃa. En otras palabras, el miembro, tal vez sin darse cuenta, engatusÃ³ a su propia piscina. Aquellos que nos oponemos a la violaciÃ³n descarada de las normas no tendrÃa que hacer nada mÃ¡s. Querido Carlton me gustarÃa pedirle que mencione melenas en sus lÃneas. Debido a que sus lÃneas de traer mÃ¡s confusiÃ³n que aclaraciÃ³n. Debemos hablar claro, porque este no es el camino correcto para referirse a alguien. Esto no es la comunicaciÃ³n que quiero para la regiÃ³n. Una persona podÃa decir nada, con nombre y apellido, y si no es con respecto no hay nada que decir. AsÃ que ahora, vamos a hablar con la preocupaciÃ³n por el mal uso de los fondos de la ICANN se plantean en este hilo. AquÃ hay una frase que trabaja aquÃ: "La historia me absolverÃ¡". No comparto tu opiniÃ³n sobre el mal uso de los fondos de Iann. Para mÃ, el todos los eventos fueron exitosos, pero es sÃ³lo mi opiniÃ³n personal. Y recuerdo tu palabra en el chat de Skype de ALAC diciendo despuÃ©s del fiasco de hablar de la GA, tenga cuidado porque creemos lo que decimos y que son parte de eso. Yo de sÃ³lo lectura palabra negativa en su Ãºltimo correo electrÃ³nico, he leÃdo muchos, pero pocos con iniciativas. No sÃ³lo es importante saber cÃ³mo hacer algo, pero lo mÃ¡s importante es saben cÃ³mo enseÃ±ar. Para ello invito a todos Carlos Aguirre, Carlton, Vanda, Alejandro, la regiÃ³n necesita su apoyo, su experiencia. La mayorÃa de ustedes probablemente no sÃ©, pero desde 2006, ha habido un nÃºcleo permanente de la oposiciÃ³n de apoyo a los viajes a la ICANN At-Large asistir a las reuniones de la ICANN. Esta oposiciÃ³n es en gran parte de AmÃ©rica del Norte, entre las personas asociadas con el marcador de posiciÃ³n del ALAC RALO incluye el nuevo estructura sustituido. La crÃtica mÃ¡s corrosiva alegÃ³ que At-Large participantes que apoyo recibido de viaje para las reuniones de ICANN fueron realmente los primeros turistas. Su participaciÃ³n en el programa At-Large en las reuniones era secundario. Esta crÃtica se nivelÃ³ en el At-Large en general, pero en mi opiniÃ³n, fuertemente dirigida a los miembros de ALC y Ãfrica. Varias observaciones registradas colocado miembros de LACRALO en el centro del estas crÃticas. Para ser brutalmente franco, uno de nuestros miembros fue la LA afiche de este abuso. Comparto su opiniÃ³n en cuanto a turismo y es uno de mis mÃ¡s importante preocupaciÃ³n, y tenemos que trabajar juntos para encontrar la manera de superar esto. Una vez mÃ¡s, dicen que los nombres son la forma correcta de expresarse, y dar a otros la oportunidad de replicar. He, de buena naturaleza, objeto de criticas personales graves, porque me he opuesto a cualquier intento de censurar pÃºblicamente a las personas consideradas culpables. Algunos de mis colegas interpretado mi oposiciÃ³n como la protecciÃ³n de un determinado miembro de LACRALO - que deberÃ¡ permanecer en el anonimato aquÃ. Otros mÃ¡s reflexivos se reconoce por lo era, la defensa de un principio en lugar de las personalidades. Todo eso de lado, este miembro ha disfrutado de mi apoyo a otros At-Large funciones. SÃ, lo adivinÃ³. Este miembro de hecho solicitÃ³ mi apoyo para otras posiciones. Y sÃ, debido a los grandes intereses estratÃ©gicos, que se lo dio. Por ahora, algunos de ustedes tambiÃ©n han adivinado mi repugnancia por la hipocresÃa y la todas sus obras. Uno se supone que para celebrar la conversiÃ³n, por asÃ decirlo, a "la una fe verdadera ". Al menos, esa es la tradiciÃ³n cristiana. Cuenten conmigo como un escÃ©ptico fiable. Porque para ser sinceros, esta Ãºltima de conversiÃ³n somos testigos es realmente sobre la parte superior. Es nada mÃ¡s que un rancio ejemplo de su propio interÃ©s. Esa es la palabra. Yo no quiero que te tomes como algo personal, porque no son compatibles con JosÃ© Ovidios palabras.Mi compromiso es con la regiÃ³n. Mi Ãºltimo mensaje es tener cuidado en lo que decimos, porque las palabras son el poder, empezar a pensar como un grupo, que es la clave para el crecimiento de la regiÃ³n. Querido Carlton, realmente aprecio sus lÃneas, ya que compartir nuestra visiÃ³n es la manera de crear la LACRALO que todos queremos. Mi admiraciÃ³n por su trabajo Saludos cordiales JosArce. - 05/02/2012 Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> > Bro Carlos: > You are right on fact as well as strategy. I cannot disagree with you > here. > > With the greatest respect and affection. > > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:57 PM, carlos dionisio aguirre < > carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > My Dear Bro. We have coincidence in almost 90% of your words. I know > what > > do you want to say, I feel and live like you in many things, And you know > > that my position is the true that I believe, more than some strategies > or > > diferences in the political positions. > > But when is needed to be clear, sometimes we must be rude. I think is > this > > in where our positions dont find coincidence. Your words were very > strong, > > but without names, and I felt that we needed names also in your words. We > > need to start to say names. Because in a contrary case all in the region > > are involved, and many of them being not guilty for that. It my humble > > thought. > > > > My permanent enormous affectionate > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > > former ALAC member by LACRALO > > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > > > From: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:12:21 -0500 > > > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Election Results Comments > > > > > > > > There is a saying in English: 'Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to > > be > > > wise'. > > > > > > There is another one: "the law is too important to leave to lawyers". > > > > > > I do not know their equivalencies in Spanish and a word by word > > translation > > > would be inadequate. Our LACRALO machine translation will be crude, at > > > best. Nevertheless, I shall not attempt one here. > > > > > > We have always know that there is a reservoir of ignorance of LACRALO > > > rules. More to point, ignorance of how they apply is really acute. The > > sad > > > fact is this ignorance is demonstrated by some of our colleagues who, > by > > > virtue of their profession, one would least expect. > > > > > > Without any fear of contradiction I now make this declaration: Any > > LACRALO > > > election in San Jose would have been illegal for lack of proper notice. > > > > > > In my part of the world, notice is a pre-requisite for democratic > > > elections. This is because they are processes, not just one event. Take > > any > > > junta of the kind we witness time and again in the LAC region and I can > > > demonstrate that even they know this. > > > > > > I know for certain that our democratically-elected friend, Hugo, knows > > > this. [To the chagrin of his opponents! :-)] > > > > > > Notice typically has three elements; time, duration and content. A > > > violation of any element condemns the notice. > > > > > > The attempt to call an immediate LACRALO election at San Jose by > invoking > > > the full UNGA Rules as authority [and allowed under LACRALO rules!] > would > > > have also been in violation. > > > > > > Not only for the violation of the notice period. But the process by > which > > > the voting event would have been taken on the agenda would not have > saved > > > the day. That would have had one effect, to add the matter to the > agenda. > > > A notice period plus candidates are still necessary for the election. > > > > > > In addition to all that, the member on whose behalf the attempt to > hasten > > > the election is being executed VOLUNTARILY withdrew HIS element of > notice > > > from the Agenda. > > > > > > In other words, the member, maybe unwittingly, fouled his own pool. > Those > > > of us opposed to the barefaced violation of the rules would not have to > > do > > > anything more. > > > > > > So now, let's speak to the concerns for poor use of ICANN funds raised > in > > > this thread. Here is a phrase that works here: 'La historia me > > absolvera'. > > > > > > Most of you would probably not know but ever since 2006, there has been > > an > > > enduring nucleus of opposition for ICANN travel support to the At-Large > > > attending ICANN meetings. This opposition is largely from North > America, > > > among persons associated with the placeholder ALAC the new RALO > included > > > structure replaced. > > > > > > The most corrosive criticism alleged that At-Large participants who > > > received travel support for ICANN meetings were really tourists first. > > > Their involvement in the At-Large agenda at the meetings was secondary. > > > > > > This criticism was leveled at the At-Large in general but to my mind, > > > sharply directed at members from LAC and Africa. > > > > > > Several recorded observations placed members from LACRALO at the centre > > of > > > these criticisms. To be brutally frank, one of our members was the THE > > > poster boy for this abuse. > > > > > > I have, in good nature, endured severe personal criticism because I > > opposed > > > any attempt to publicly censure those deemed guilty. Some of my > > colleagues > > > interpreted my opposition as protecting a certain LACRALO member - who > > > shall remain nameless here. More thoughtful others recognized it for > what > > > it was; defense of a principle rather than personalities. > > > > > > All that aside, this member has enjoyed my support for other At-large > > > duties. Yes, you guessed right. This member actually solicited my > support > > > for other positions. And yes, because of the larger strategic > interests, > > I > > > gave it. > > > > > > By now, some of you might have also guessed my loathing for hypocrisy > and > > > all its works. One is supposed to celebrate conversion, as it were, to > > 'the > > > one true faith'. At least, that is the Christian tradition. > > > > > > Count me as a reliable skeptic. Because to be frank, this latest > > conversion > > > we witness is really over the top. It is nothing more than a rancid > > > example of enlightened self-interest. > > > > > > That is the word. > > > > > > - Carlton Samuels > > > > > > ============================== > > > Carlton A Samuels > > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > > > > ============================= > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM, <cveraq(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: =? Windows-1252? Q? Resultados_de_la_Elecci = F3n_de_? > == > > > > Windows-1252? Q? = 09L = 09a_Secretar = EDa_de_LACRALO_t = > > E9rmino_de_un_? > > > > == Windows-1252? Q? A = F1o_ = 09de_04_de_ = 09mayo_2012 ? = > > > > From: cveraq(a)gmail.com > > > > > > > > Incredible .. And those are the people demanding commitment and > demand > > .. > > > > # Prohibidoolvidar > > > > > > > > > > > > While we are not transparent, conscious of our responsibilities and > > > > understand that not everything revolves around our personal > interests, > > the > > > > region will continue dependent. > > > > > > > > > > > > Today we strongly believe in a good team without conditions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos Vera > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Alberto Soto" <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> > > > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 00:11:41 > > > > To: <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> ; <cveraq(a)gmail.com> ; 'LACRALO > Spanish' > > < > > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > > Cc: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > > Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the choice of l > > > > trmino LACRALO to secrete a year of 04 > > > > May 2012 > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with the view of the precious time lost in Costa Rica, in > > addition > > > > ICANN payment of money, just for personal interests that harm us > > > > all. A general assembly can not be lost completely only two > > > > people present. ICANN is a lot of money and OUR, and long > > > > staff of each of us invested. > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf > Of > > > > Jose > > > > Ovidio Salgueiro A. > > > > Posted on: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:09 pm > > > > To: cveraq(a)gmail.com; LACRALO Espaol > > > > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the election of the secrete > of > > > > LACRALO trmino of one year from May 4, 2012 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations to Sylvia by Josy strong result. > > > > > > > > > > > > This leads me to think that the ridiculous we did in the Assembly in > > San > > > > Josfue unnecessary since this result was the same as hubiramos > > > > all obtained. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Caribbean was not able or San Josni now to put a candidate with > the > > > > capacity for a votacin important. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that now if you can work as expected in our organization > > > > and without the narrow interests that previously demonstrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JosSalgueiro > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry Movistar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > Ab. Arce, JosÃ© Francisco + 54 9 351 6788920 _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3b47828855.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Resultados Electorales Comentarios
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com May 2, 2012

May 2, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Resultados Electorales Comentarios De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Fray Carlos: Tienes razón en los hechos así como la estrategia. No puedo estar en desacuerdo con usted aquí. Con el mayor respeto y afecto. - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= On Wed, 2 de mayo de 2012 a 3:57 PM, Carlos Dionisio Aguirre < > carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com escribió: > My Dear Bro. We have coincidence in almost 90% of your words. I know what > do you want to say, I feel and live like you in many things, And you know > that my position is the true that I believe, more than some strategies or > diferences in the political positions. > But when is needed to be clear, sometimes we must be rude. I think is this > in where our positions dont find coincidence. Your words were very strong, > but without names, and I felt that we needed names also in your words. We > need to start to say names. Because in a contrary case all in the region > are involved, and many of them being not guilty for that. It my humble > thought. > > My permanent enormous affectionate > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirre > NCA GNSO Council - ICANN > former ALAC member by LACRALO > Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios > Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > From: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:12:21 -0500 > > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Election Results Comments > > > > > There is a saying in English: 'Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to > be > > wise'. > > > > There is another one: "the law is too important to leave to lawyers". > > > > I do not know their equivalencies in Spanish and a word by word > translation > > would be inadequate. Our LACRALO machine translation will be crude, at > > best. Nevertheless, I shall not attempt one here. > > > > We have always know that there is a reservoir of ignorance of LACRALO > > rules. More to point, ignorance of how they apply is really acute. The > sad > > fact is this ignorance is demonstrated by some of our colleagues who, by > > virtue of their profession, one would least expect. > > > > Without any fear of contradiction I now make this declaration: Any > LACRALO > > election in San Jose would have been illegal for lack of proper notice. > > > > In my part of the world, notice is a pre-requisite for democratic > > elections. This is because they are processes, not just one event. Take > any > > junta of the kind we witness time and again in the LAC region and I can > > demonstrate that even they know this. > > > > I know for certain that our democratically-elected friend, Hugo, knows > > this. [To the chagrin of his opponents! :-)] > > > > Notice typically has three elements; time, duration and content. A > > violation of any element condemns the notice. > > > > The attempt to call an immediate LACRALO election at San Jose by invoking > > the full UNGA Rules as authority [and allowed under LACRALO rules!] would > > have also been in violation. > > > > Not only for the violation of the notice period. But the process by which > > the voting event would have been taken on the agenda would not have saved > > the day. That would have had one effect, to add the matter to the agenda. > > A notice period plus candidates are still necessary for the election. > > > > In addition to all that, the member on whose behalf the attempt to hasten > > the election is being executed VOLUNTARILY withdrew HIS element of notice > > from the Agenda. > > > > In other words, the member, maybe unwittingly, fouled his own pool. Those > > of us opposed to the barefaced violation of the rules would not have to > do > > anything more. > > > > So now, let's speak to the concerns for poor use of ICANN funds raised in > > this thread. Here is a phrase that works here: 'La historia me > absolvera'. > > > > Most of you would probably not know but ever since 2006, there has been > an > > enduring nucleus of opposition for ICANN travel support to the At-Large > > attending ICANN meetings. This opposition is largely from North America, > > among persons associated with the placeholder ALAC the new RALO included > > structure replaced. > > > > The most corrosive criticism alleged that At-Large participants who > > received travel support for ICANN meetings were really tourists first. > > Their involvement in the At-Large agenda at the meetings was secondary. > > > > This criticism was leveled at the At-Large in general but to my mind, > > sharply directed at members from LAC and Africa. > > > > Several recorded observations placed members from LACRALO at the centre > of > > these criticisms. To be brutally frank, one of our members was the THE > > poster boy for this abuse. > > > > I have, in good nature, endured severe personal criticism because I > opposed > > any attempt to publicly censure those deemed guilty. Some of my > colleagues > > interpreted my opposition as protecting a certain LACRALO member - who > > shall remain nameless here. More thoughtful others recognized it for what > > it was; defense of a principle rather than personalities. > > > > All that aside, this member has enjoyed my support for other At-large > > duties. Yes, you guessed right. This member actually solicited my support > > for other positions. And yes, because of the larger strategic interests, > I > > gave it. > > > > By now, some of you might have also guessed my loathing for hypocrisy and > > all its works. One is supposed to celebrate conversion, as it were, to > 'the > > one true faith'. At least, that is the Christian tradition. > > > > Count me as a reliable skeptic. Because to be frank, this latest > conversion > > we witness is really over the top. It is nothing more than a rancid > > example of enlightened self-interest. > > > > That is the word. > > > > - Carlton Samuels > > > > ============================== > > Carlton A Samuels > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > > ============================= > > > > > > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM, <cveraq(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > > > > Subject: Re: =? Windows-1252? Q? Resultados_de_la_Elecci = F3n_de_? == > > > Windows-1252? Q? = 09L = 09a_Secretar = EDa_de_LACRALO_t = > E9rmino_de_un_? > > > == Windows-1252? Q? A = F1o_ = 09de_04_de_ = 09mayo_2012 ? = > > > From: cveraq(a)gmail.com > > > > > > Incredible .. And those are the people demanding commitment and demand > .. > > > # Prohibidoolvidar > > > > > > > > > While we are not transparent, conscious of our responsibilities and > > > understand that not everything revolves around our personal interests, > the > > > region will continue dependent. > > > > > > > > > Today we strongly believe in a good team without conditions. > > > > > > > > > Carlos Vera > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alberto Soto" <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> > > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 00:11:41 > > > To: <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> ; <cveraq(a)gmail.com> ; 'LACRALO Spanish' > < > > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > Cc: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the choice of l > > > trmino LACRALO to secrete a year of 04 > > > May 2012 > > > > > > > > > I agree with the view of the precious time lost in Costa Rica, in > addition > > > ICANN payment of money, just for personal interests that harm us > > > all. A general assembly can not be lost completely only two > > > people present. ICANN is a lot of money and OUR, and long > > > staff of each of us invested. > > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > > > Jose > > > Ovidio Salgueiro A. > > > Posted on: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:09 pm > > > To: cveraq(a)gmail.com; LACRALO Espaol > > > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the election of the secrete of > > > LACRALO trmino of one year from May 4, 2012 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations to Sylvia by Josy strong result. > > > > > > > > > This leads me to think that the ridiculous we did in the Assembly in > San > > > Josfue unnecessary since this result was the same as hubiramos > > > all obtained. > > > > > > > > > The Caribbean was not able or San Josni now to put a candidate with the > > > capacity for a votacin important. > > > > > > > > > I hope that now if you can work as expected in our organization > > > and without the narrow interests that previously demonstrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JosSalgueiro > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry Movistar > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/ea416fb36d.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Resultados Electorales Comentarios
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com May 2, 2012

May 2, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Resultados Electorales Comentarios De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Mi querido Hermano. Tenemos coincidencia en casi el 90% de sus palabras. Yo sé lo que quieres decir, que sentir y vivir como tú en muchas cosas, y ustedes saben que mi posición es la verdad que creo que, más que algunas de las estrategias o diferencia significativa en las posiciones políticas. Pero cuando se necesita para ser claros, a veces hay que ser grosero. Creo que es esto en donde nuestras posiciones no encuentra una coincidencia. Sus palabras fueron muy fuertes, pero sin nombres, y me sentí que necesitábamos nombres también en sus palabras. Tenemos que empezar a decir nombres. Debido a que en caso contrario todos en la región están involucrados, y muchos de ellos no es culpable por ello. Es mi humilde pensamiento. Mi enorme cariño permanente Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org > From: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:12:21 -0500 > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Election Results Comments > > There is a saying in English: 'Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be > wise'. > > There is another one: "the law is too important to leave to lawyers". > > I do not know their equivalencies in Spanish and a word by word translation > would be inadequate. Our LACRALO machine translation will be crude, at > best. Nevertheless, I shall not attempt one here. > > We have always know that there is a reservoir of ignorance of LACRALO > rules. More to point, ignorance of how they apply is really acute. The sad > fact is this ignorance is demonstrated by some of our colleagues who, by > virtue of their profession, one would least expect. > > Without any fear of contradiction I now make this declaration: Any LACRALO > election in San Jose would have been illegal for lack of proper notice. > > In my part of the world, notice is a pre-requisite for democratic > elections. This is because they are processes, not just one event. Take any > junta of the kind we witness time and again in the LAC region and I can > demonstrate that even they know this. > > I know for certain that our democratically-elected friend, Hugo, knows > this. [To the chagrin of his opponents! :-)] > > Notice typically has three elements; time, duration and content. A > violation of any element condemns the notice. > > The attempt to call an immediate LACRALO election at San Jose by invoking > the full UNGA Rules as authority [and allowed under LACRALO rules!] would > have also been in violation. > > Not only for the violation of the notice period. But the process by which > the voting event would have been taken on the agenda would not have saved > the day. That would have had one effect, to add the matter to the agenda. > A notice period plus candidates are still necessary for the election. > > In addition to all that, the member on whose behalf the attempt to hasten > the election is being executed VOLUNTARILY withdrew HIS element of notice > from the Agenda. > > In other words, the member, maybe unwittingly, fouled his own pool. Those > of us opposed to the barefaced violation of the rules would not have to do > anything more. > > So now, let's speak to the concerns for poor use of ICANN funds raised in > this thread. Here is a phrase that works here: 'La historia me absolvera'. > > Most of you would probably not know but ever since 2006, there has been an > enduring nucleus of opposition for ICANN travel support to the At-Large > attending ICANN meetings. This opposition is largely from North America, > among persons associated with the placeholder ALAC the new RALO included > structure replaced. > > The most corrosive criticism alleged that At-Large participants who > received travel support for ICANN meetings were really tourists first. > Their involvement in the At-Large agenda at the meetings was secondary. > > This criticism was leveled at the At-Large in general but to my mind, > sharply directed at members from LAC and Africa. > > Several recorded observations placed members from LACRALO at the centre of > these criticisms. To be brutally frank, one of our members was the THE > poster boy for this abuse. > > I have, in good nature, endured severe personal criticism because I opposed > any attempt to publicly censure those deemed guilty. Some of my colleagues > interpreted my opposition as protecting a certain LACRALO member - who > shall remain nameless here. More thoughtful others recognized it for what > it was; defense of a principle rather than personalities. > > All that aside, this member has enjoyed my support for other At-large > duties. Yes, you guessed right. This member actually solicited my support > for other positions. And yes, because of the larger strategic interests, I > gave it. > > By now, some of you might have also guessed my loathing for hypocrisy and > all its works. One is supposed to celebrate conversion, as it were, to 'the > one true faith'. At least, that is the Christian tradition. > > Count me as a reliable skeptic. Because to be frank, this latest conversion > we witness is really over the top. It is nothing more than a rancid > example of enlightened self-interest. > > That is the word. > > - Carlton Samuels > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM, <cveraq(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > > Subject: Re: =? Windows-1252? Q? Resultados_de_la_Elecci = F3n_de_? == > > Windows-1252? Q? = 09L = 09a_Secretar = EDa_de_LACRALO_t = E9rmino_de_un_? > > == Windows-1252? Q? A = F1o_ = 09de_04_de_ = 09mayo_2012 ? = > > From: cveraq(a)gmail.com > > > > Incredible .. And those are the people demanding commitment and demand .. > > # Prohibidoolvidar > > > > > > While we are not transparent, conscious of our responsibilities and > > understand that not everything revolves around our personal interests, the > > region will continue dependent. > > > > > > Today we strongly believe in a good team without conditions. > > > > > > Carlos Vera > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alberto Soto" <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> > > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 00:11:41 > > To: <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> ; <cveraq(a)gmail.com> ; 'LACRALO Spanish' < > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Cc: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the choice of l > > trmino LACRALO to secrete a year of 04 > > May 2012 > > > > > > I agree with the view of the precious time lost in Costa Rica, in addition > > ICANN payment of money, just for personal interests that harm us > > all. A general assembly can not be lost completely only two > > people present. ICANN is a lot of money and OUR, and long > > staff of each of us invested. > > Best Regards > > > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > > Jose > > Ovidio Salgueiro A. > > Posted on: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:09 pm > > To: cveraq(a)gmail.com; LACRALO Espaol > > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the election of the secrete of > > LACRALO trmino of one year from May 4, 2012 > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations to Sylvia by Josy strong result. > > > > > > This leads me to think that the ridiculous we did in the Assembly in San > > Josfue unnecessary since this result was the same as hubiramos > > all obtained. > > > > > > The Caribbean was not able or San Josni now to put a candidate with the > > capacity for a votacin important. > > > > > > I hope that now if you can work as expected in our organization > > and without the narrow interests that previously demonstrated > > > > > > > > > > JosSalgueiro > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry Movistar > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/531b3bfff7.html --]]

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Re: Reuni�n del Consejo P�blico - la actualizaci�n de Praga
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com May 2, 2012

May 2, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reunión del Consejo Público - la actualización de Praga De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Adán: Entiendo sus preocupaciones y aunque no están totalmente de apoyo de mi posición, en realidad se añaden varias razones para esta conversación que me hace aún más firme en mi posición. Muchas gracias por compartir los comentarios de Mike Silber. - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= On Wed, 02 de mayo 2012 a las 6:50 AM Peake, Adam <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> escribió: > I am in two minds about this. If the board is transparent in all its > meetings, and increasingly it is trying to be, then ending a day early > might work well. The meetings are starting earlier, I think most of > us (except perhaps when the meeting's in our region) start to travel > on a working day before the formal week of a meeting and often get > back on a Sunday or later. For the board it's becoming almost 2 weeks. > We're a volunteer community that's perhaps asking too much of our > employers. And I don't know how staff manage, from 7 to late for over > a week (jet lagged.) > > But. Loosing reports from the SOs and ACs matters (even at 8am...) > Important that reports are read into the record, and important the > directors sitting formally as the board are to be able to ask > questions, the community also. > > And the Board meeting isn't just a show. Important comments often > made. I recently had reason to refer to Mike Silber's comments on > outreach made during the board meeting (attached). A statement much > more powerful because it was made during an on record meeting of the > board rather than teleconference or at the public forum. Would be a > terrible to loose this. > > And thanking people --outgoing volunteers, the hosts-- is an > important formality. > > If 3 or 4 hours on Friday is lost, where can it be squeezed during the > week? > > Mike Palage noted there were 3 other board meetings during the Costa > Rica meeting (minutes etc online). The board has an enormous amount > for work to do. But if they meet when scribing's available, they > should make use of it (we don't even have to be in the room, anyone > with a laptop/smart phone can follow the text stream). > > Might be the right decision, but some public discussion before it was > taken would have been helpful. And if's to happen, then transcripts of > all board meetings please. > > Adam > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Sébastien Bachollet > <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am on your side on that matter. > > I am still struggling with this issue on the Board. > > I hope that part of the situation is a missing piece in the communication > > but not sure 100%. > > A public board meeting will take place during the week (if subject > matter). > > All the best > > Sébastien Bachollet > > +33 6 07 66 89 33 > > Blog: http://sebastien.bachollet.fr/ > > Mail: Sébastien Bachollet <sebastien(a)bachollet.com> > > > > > > > > > > Le 02/05/12 00:54, « Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond » <ocl(a)gih.com> a écrit : > > > >>Dear all, > >> > >>I indeed had been asked about this and forwarded an enquiry to the ALAC > >>working list. > >>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/alac/2012/002011.html > >> > >>But I was not able to get back to the Board with the views of our > >>community (rather than my own views) before their announcement. I had no > >>idea they were going to proceed without a proper consultation with the > >>community. > >> > >>Kind regards, > >> > >>Olivier > >> > >> > >>On 01/05/2012 03:03, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote : > >>> Dear All, > >>> > >>> I recall the Chair suggesting the removal of Friday and in a sense as > >>> Chair/Director he does have the authority to restructure or reformat > the > >>> meeting style but would have thought that since it involves a wide > >>>range of > >>> stakeholders that there should have been some level of consultation on > >>> that. Maybe there were consultations but I missed it ??? > >>> > >>> Part of "transparency" is the ability for the public to see the nuances > >>> from body language whilst communicating. > >>> > >>> Kind Regards, > >>> Sala > >>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh > >>><devtee(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >>> > >>>> I agree with you Carlton. > >>>> > >>>> Sure, the hard decisions were already decided "behind the scenes" so > >>>> that there were no surprises. And yes, I suppose the board meeting > >>>> transcript of such a ICANN Board meeting held after the conference can > >>>> be done. > >>>> > >>>> But not seeing the body language of the ICANN Board as they explained > >>>> their decisions on key issues in the history of ICANN (e.g .XXX , the > >>>> launch of the new gTLD program) and also the sense of what the > >>>> community felt as they listened to the statements, is lost. > >>>> > >>>> Hopefully, important issues to be decided by the ICANN Board would be > >>>> done by special ICANN Board meetings such as the one held on Monday > >>>> during the Singapore meeting, when the implementation of the new gTLD > >>>> program was approved. > >>>> > >>>> Dev Anand > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Carlton Samuels > >>>> <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> I'm sure I may be in the minority to bemoan the passing of the usual > >>>>> 'public' Friday morning ICANN Board meeting. > >>>>> > >>>>> Let us be clear I'm not just hopped off the truck here. I'm familiar > >>>> enough > >>>>> with these matters to recognize it for what it is principally > >>>>>intended; > >>>>> theatre. But in the ICANN context, even crafted theatre has its > role. > >>>>> > >>>>> First, I truly believe that for a claimed multistakeholder > >>>>>organisation > >>>> and > >>>>> while the 'public' board meeting may not have been all it could be, > it > >>>> was > >>>>> an important indicator or attribute of the MSM, especially having > >>>>>regard > >>>>> the global public interest. > >>>>> > >>>>> Secondly, even if the votes are already taken, there existed an > >>>>>outside > >>>>> chance that one may witness truly revealing 'body language' of > >>>>> participants. Maybe its because for most of my life I have always > >>>>> straddled several socio-political realities. But I am socialized to > be > >>>> ever > >>>>> mindful that one may 'feel the hand of Esau even as you hear the > >>>>>voice of > >>>>> Jacob'. > >>>>> > >>>>> I can still hear Susan Crawford's cathartic farewell speech in 2008. > >>>>>It > >>>>> was remarkable, the response in body language of several board > members > >>>> told > >>>>> a story. I will concede it may not mean much, then and there. > >>>>>Aferall, > >>>>> the deed is done and the die is cast. But when the 'fire next time' > >>>> comes, > >>>>> it is instructive. > >>>>> > >>>>> - Carlton Samuels > >>>>> > >>>>> ============================== > >>>>> Carlton A Samuels > >>>>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 > >>>>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > >>>>> ============================= > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >>>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> At-Large mailing list > >>>> At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >>>> > >>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >>-- > >>Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD > >>http://www.gih.com/ocl.html > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>At-Large mailing list > >>At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > >> > >>At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > At-Large mailing list > > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > > _______________________________________________ > At-Large mailing list > At-Large(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large > > At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/88585d9463.html --]]

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