[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Resultados Electorales Comentarios De: carlosaguirre62@hotmail.com Mi querido Hermano. Tenemos coincidencia en casi el 90% de sus palabras. Yo sé lo que quieres decir, que sentir y vivir como tú en muchas cosas, y ustedes saben que mi posición es la verdad que creo que, más que algunas de las estrategias o diferencia significativa en las posiciones políticas. Pero cuando se necesita para ser claros, a veces hay que ser grosero. Creo que es esto en donde nuestras posiciones no encuentra una coincidencia. Sus palabras fueron muy fuertes, pero sin nombres, y me sentí que necesitábamos nombres también en sus palabras. Tenemos que empezar a decir nombres. Debido a que en caso contrario todos en la región están involucrados, y muchos de ellos no es culpable por ello. Es mi humilde pensamiento. Mi enorme cariño permanente Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org

From: carlton.samuels@gmail.com Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 13:12:21 -0500 To: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Election Results Comments

There is a saying in English: 'Where ignorance is bliss, it is folly to be wise'.

There is another one: "the law is too important to leave to lawyers".

I do not know their equivalencies in Spanish and a word by word translation would be inadequate. Our LACRALO machine translation will be crude, at best. Nevertheless, I shall not attempt one here.

We have always know that there is a reservoir of ignorance of LACRALO rules. More to point, ignorance of how they apply is really acute. The sad fact is this ignorance is demonstrated by some of our colleagues who, by virtue of their profession, one would least expect.

Without any fear of contradiction I now make this declaration: Any LACRALO election in San Jose would have been illegal for lack of proper notice.

In my part of the world, notice is a pre-requisite for democratic elections. This is because they are processes, not just one event. Take any junta of the kind we witness time and again in the LAC region and I can demonstrate that even they know this.

I know for certain that our democratically-elected friend, Hugo, knows this. [To the chagrin of his opponents! :-)]

Notice typically has three elements; time, duration and content. A violation of any element condemns the notice.

The attempt to call an immediate LACRALO election at San Jose by invoking the full UNGA Rules as authority [and allowed under LACRALO rules!] would have also been in violation.

Not only for the violation of the notice period. But the process by which the voting event would have been taken on the agenda would not have saved the day. That would have had one effect, to add the matter to the agenda. A notice period plus candidates are still necessary for the election.

In addition to all that, the member on whose behalf the attempt to hasten the election is being executed VOLUNTARILY withdrew HIS element of notice from the Agenda.

In other words, the member, maybe unwittingly, fouled his own pool. Those of us opposed to the barefaced violation of the rules would not have to do anything more.

So now, let's speak to the concerns for poor use of ICANN funds raised in this thread. Here is a phrase that works here: 'La historia me absolvera'.

Most of you would probably not know but ever since 2006, there has been an enduring nucleus of opposition for ICANN travel support to the At-Large attending ICANN meetings. This opposition is largely from North America, among persons associated with the placeholder ALAC the new RALO included structure replaced.

The most corrosive criticism alleged that At-Large participants who received travel support for ICANN meetings were really tourists first. Their involvement in the At-Large agenda at the meetings was secondary.

This criticism was leveled at the At-Large in general but to my mind, sharply directed at members from LAC and Africa.

Several recorded observations placed members from LACRALO at the centre of these criticisms. To be brutally frank, one of our members was the THE poster boy for this abuse.

I have, in good nature, endured severe personal criticism because I opposed any attempt to publicly censure those deemed guilty. Some of my colleagues interpreted my opposition as protecting a certain LACRALO member - who shall remain nameless here. More thoughtful others recognized it for what it was; defense of a principle rather than personalities.

All that aside, this member has enjoyed my support for other At-large duties. Yes, you guessed right. This member actually solicited my support for other positions. And yes, because of the larger strategic interests, I gave it.

By now, some of you might have also guessed my loathing for hypocrisy and all its works. One is supposed to celebrate conversion, as it were, to 'the one true faith'. At least, that is the Christian tradition.

Count me as a reliable skeptic. Because to be frank, this latest conversion we witness is really over the top. It is nothing more than a rancid example of enlightened self-interest.

That is the word.

- Carlton Samuels

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On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM, <cveraq@gmail.com> wrote:

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Incredible .. And those are the people demanding commitment and demand .. # Prohibidoolvidar

While we are not transparent, conscious of our responsibilities and understand that not everything revolves around our personal interests, the region will continue dependent.

Today we strongly believe in a good team without conditions.

Carlos Vera ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Soto" <asoto@ibero-americano.org> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 00:11:41 To: <salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> ; <cveraq@gmail.com> ; 'LACRALO Spanish' < lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: <lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> Subject: RE: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the choice of l trmino LACRALO to secrete a year of 04 May 2012

I agree with the view of the precious time lost in Costa Rica, in addition ICANN payment of money, just for personal interests that harm us all. A general assembly can not be lost completely only two people present. ICANN is a lot of money and OUR, and long staff of each of us invested. Best Regards

Alberto Soto

----- Original Message ----- From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Jose Ovidio Salgueiro A. Posted on: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 11:09 pm To: cveraq@gmail.com; LACRALO Espaol CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Results of the election of the secrete of LACRALO trmino of one year from May 4, 2012

Congratulations to Sylvia by Josy strong result.

This leads me to think that the ridiculous we did in the Assembly in San Josfue unnecessary since this result was the same as hubiramos all obtained.

The Caribbean was not able or San Josni now to put a candidate with the capacity for a votacin important.

I hope that now if you can work as expected in our organization and without the narrow interests that previously demonstrated

JosSalgueiro

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