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Call for Candidates - ALAC Representative to the ICANN Working Group to Review IDN Implementation Guidelines
by ICANN At-Large Staff July 27, 2015

July 27, 2015

Dear All, ICANN is forming a new Working Group to review the IDN Implementation Guidelines. One member in this Working Group will be representing the ALAC. An ideal candidate should have expertise in IDN usability and universal acceptance matters and be also involved with the universal acceptance initiative of ICANN. Please see the full announcement below. If you are interested in applying this position, please send your resume and Statement of Interest to staff(a)atlarge.icann.org by Thursday 30 July 23:59 UTC. The ALAC will review the candidate(s) and make the selection. Regards, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine and Terri Agnew ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org<mailto:staff@atlarge.icann.org> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge>atlarge<https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge<https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> [ICANN]<http://www.icann.org/> News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-07-20-en ________________________________ Call for Community Experts to Review the IDN Implementation Guidelines 20 July 2015 1. Introduction The IDN Implementation Guidelines address the IDN registration policies and practices, designed to minimize the risk of cybersquatting and consumer confusion, and respect the interests of communities using local languages and scripts. These Guidelines are for registry operators to implement IDNs at the second level. Registry operators that offer IDNs under the new gTLDs, resulting from the 2012 application round, are contractually bound to adhere to the Guidelines per Specification 6 of the Registry Agreement. The IDN ccTLDs are encouraged to follow the Guidelines through the IDN ccTLD Fast Track process, but are not contractually obligated to do so. IDN Implementation Guidelines were last updated in 2011. ICANN is now initiating a revision of these guidelines and soliciting the participation of expert community volunteers to form a working group for this purpose. The working group will comprise of expert volunteer members from GNSO, ccNSO, SSAC and ALAC, as per the details below. Interested experts should be endorsed by their respective SOs/ACs and should send their Resumes and Statements of Interest to IDNProgram(a)icann.org<mailto:IDNProgram@icann.org> by 3 August, 2015. 2. Background Historically, the IDN Implementation Guidelines have been updated when there was a change to relevant protocols or other demand from the community, but not on a regular basis. As there are contractual obligations associated with the Guidelines, updating them may have a significant impact. To date, there have been five versions of the Guidelines, available through the link: https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/implementation-guidelines-2012-02-25-…. The current Version 3.0<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/idn-guidelines-2011-09-02-en> was developed through a community based effort and finalized on 2 September 2011. This wasendorsed<https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2011-10-28-en#1.2> by the ICANN Board of Directors on 28 October 2011. Since publication of the latest version of the Guidelines in 2011, there have been changes in the terminology around IDNs and language tables (e.g. see Appendix 2 of Integrated Issues Report<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/idn-vip-integrated-issues-final…> [PDF, 2.15 MB]), as well as a definition of the formal representation<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-davies-idntables-08> of the language tables to make them machine readable. Additional analysis and data are also available, including Maximal Starting Repertoire<https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2014-06-20-en> (MSR), informational RFC 6912 and revised IANA IDNA tables<http://www.iana.org/assignments/idna-tables> for Unicode 6.3.0. Finally there have been recommendations for consistency and manageability of variants across different levels in a domain name, e.g. in the User Experience Study<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/active-ux-21mar13-en.pdf> [PDF, 1.38 MB] and related SSAC comments in SAC 60<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-060-en.pdf> [PDF, 655 KB] report. Based on the experience with implementing IDNs accumulated since 2011, GNSO Council and its members have asked ICANN to update these guidelines. 3. Working Group Expertise and Composition The working group members should have expertise in one or more of the following areas, as relevant for the second level. * DNS and IDNA protocols * IDN language or script tables, including variants and label level rules * IDN policy * IDN implementation * IDN label registration process and registration data * IDN related SSR issues, including string similarity * IDN usability challenges and universal acceptance The working group is anticipated to have expertise in all these areas, with tentatively seven members: GNSO (3), ccNSO (2), SSAC (1) and ALAC (1). The number of GNSO and ccNSO members are based on membership during previous revisions of IDN Implementation Guidelines. SSAC and ALAC members are being added for additional consideration of SSR and usability issues. 4. Tentative Work Plan The working group will determine its own work plan and deliverables, after its formation. The following are tentative steps and the timeline the working group may undertake to complete its work. The working group is expected to hold regular conference calls to undertake this work. * Formation - August 2015 * Identification of relevant issues * Public comment on issues - ICANN 54 * Finalization of issues * Development of initial recommendations against the issues identified * Public comment on Interim draft - ICANN 55 * Finalization of recommendations * Development of complete draft * Public comment on complete draft- ICANN 56 * Publication of updated IDN Implementation Guidelines - August 2016 *

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Re: Este Kerfuffle Elecci�n
by salgueiro.jo＠gmail.com July 27, 2015

July 27, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Este Kerfuffle Elección De: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com Creo ES aún ridículo emitir un voto con un solo candidato, pero desde que se abrió la elección y puedo votar NO, eso es justo lo que hice. Así que por favor use CUIDADOSAMENTE sus palabras. JOS 27.07.2015 13:00 GMT-04: 30 Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> : > Last time I used the term hypocrisy to describe what I saw happening and I > understand some of our brethren felt offended. But truth being the best > defence, here's a blast from LACRALO's elections past. > > An archive is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Especially when you have the > support of an excellent researcher! > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2011/004264.html > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2011/004439.html > > Kindest regards, > -Carlton Samuels > > > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > José Ovidio Salgueiro A. salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/46616f82c9.html --]]

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Este Kerfuffle Elecci�n
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 27, 2015

July 27, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Este Kerfuffle Elección De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com La última vez que usé el término hipocresía para describir lo que vi sucediendo y yo entender algunos de nuestros hermanos sintieron ofendidos. Pero la verdad es la mejor defensa, aquí está una explosión del de LACRALO elecciones pasado. Un archivo es una cosa maravillosa, ¿no es así? Especialmente cuando se tiene la apoyo de un excelente investigador! http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2011/004264.html http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2011/004439.html Saludos cordiales, -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/efee376a37.html --]]

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Este Kerfuffle Elecci�n
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 27, 2015

July 27, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Este Kerfuffle Elección De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com La última vez que usé el término hipocresía para describir lo que vi sucediendo y yo entender algunos de nuestros hermanos sintieron ofendidos. Pero la verdad es la mejor defensa, aquí está una explosión del de LACRALO elecciones pasado. Un archivo es una cosa maravillosa, ¿no es así? Especialmente cuando se tiene la apoyo de un excelente investigador! http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2011/004264.html http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2011/004439.html Saludos cordiales, -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b5fbb25744.html --]]

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by josefranciscoarce＠gmail.com July 27, 2015

July 27, 2015

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Re: CONVOCATORIA DE AFILIACI�N: At-Large Criterios de ELA y expectativas Taskforce
by asoto＠ibero-americano.org July 26, 2015

July 26, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: CONVOCATORIA DE AFILIACIÓN: At-Large Criterios de ELA y expectativas Taskforce Desde: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org Estimado Alejandro, ya estamos coordinando esto con Humberto. Estoy totalmente de ponerse de acuerdo sobre los criterios que deben aplicarse. Saludos Alberto Soto ----- Mensaje original de ----- De: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de apisanty(a)gmail.com Enviado el: viernes, 24 de julio de 2015 22:55 Para: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: Re: CONVOCATORIA [lac-discuss-es] COMO MIEMBRO: At-Large Criterios de ELA y Expectativas Taskforce [[--Translated Texto (es -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: CONVOCATORIA DE AFILIACIÓN: At-Large criterios y expectativas de ELA Grupo de Trabajo Desde: apisanty(a)gmail.com Colegas, envío aquí sólo recibió un aviso sobre los Criterios powe de Trabajo y las expectativas para ALS (estructuras "At-Large"); esta llamada, si entiendo correctamente, requiere tres personas en la región de América Latina y el Caribe son seleccionados para trabajar intensamente en los criterios y expectativas de la ELA. Uno serán seleccionados por los miembros del ALAC en la región y dos serán seleccionados por los líderes de la región de acuerdo a la práctica de la RALO (LACRALO en nuestro caso). Espero que nuestros representantes en ALAC y el Presidente y la Secretaría hicieron público cuando antes del procedimiento para esta selección, ya que el trabajo grupo iniciará sus actividades en la semana del 03 de agosto, claramente inminente. También creo que el consenso alcanzado recientemente sobre este tema, al final de la reunión en Buenos Aires, es parte del mandato de los que tienen sido designado.Traigo aquí en resumen: Las organizaciones interesadas están activos y representan los intereses y más caro para los usuarios de Internet en general sobre las cuestiones primeros ICANN; ese trabajo internamente para estos puntos de vista; así que lo que contribuya activamente a los procesos políticos y las decisiones de la ICANN, preferiblemente prioridades sustantivas y las de procedimientos menorers, elecciones internas y la asignación de los recursos y viajan posiciones. Hay que añadir que debemos esperar la selección en nuestra región prefiere representantes de características similares, regular la participación, frecuente y la crítica sustantiva de nuestra propia organización, y capacidad demostrada del diálogo civil y constructivo. Saludos cordiales Alejandro Pisanty ---------- Mensaje reenviado ---------- Desde: ICANN At-Large <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> Fecha: vie 24 de julio de 2015 19:20 Asunto: [ALAC-Anuncie] CONVOCATORIA DE AFILIACIÓN: At-Large Criterios de ELA y Expectativas Taskforce Para: "alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> "Alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org" < alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Cc: ICANN At-Large <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> "Alan Greenberg ( alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca) " <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> Queridos Todos, En nombre de Alan Greenberg, Presidente de la ALAC, este es un llamado para miembros y participantes del * At-Large Criterios de ELA y expectativas Taskforce *. El ALAC ha fletado this Qué Taskforce recomendará al ALAC: - Un conjunto revisado de criterios para todos los ALS - Las expectativas de cómo RALO de la ALAC y de ICANN At-Large se involucrarán ALS - Las expectativas de participación ALS El grupo de trabajo estará presidido por Alan Greenberg, y membresía incluir a tres personas de cada región: - * Uno de los miembros de ALAC por región (para ser seleccionados por los miembros de ALAC de cada región); y * - * Dos personas seleccionadas por el liderazgo regional (según el RALO prácticas). * Otros miembros de la Comunidad At-Large puede unirse al grupo como Los participantes si lo desean. Si usted está interesado, escriba a personal de At-Large en: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org. El TF se reunirá * SEMANAL * con la intención de completar el trabajo por ITS ICANN54 en octubre. El wiki Taskforce se puede encontrar en * At-Large criterios y expectativas de ELA Grupo de trabajo de área de trabajo * < https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+ALS+Criteria+and+Expect ciones + Taskforce>. Hay un documento de debate < https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=54691888> Eso puede no ser de su interés, pero es sólo el comienzo de la revisión. * Próximos pasos: La primera llamada de los At-Large criterios y expectativas de ELA Grupo de trabajo se llevará a cabo la semana del 03 de agosto de 2015. Un Doodle será enviado a Miembros identificados por Jueves, 30 de julio de 2015. * Saludos, Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie Peregrine y Terri Agnew El personal de ICANN Política en apoyo de ALAC E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann < https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> AtLarge < https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> Twitter: @ < https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge < https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/bb7d9d9f73.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] legalidad del proceso.
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 26, 2015

July 26, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso. De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Envié esto para tratar de ser útil en lo que respecta a la preocupación de Vanda acerca de la legalidad del proceso. Ciertamente no tengo ninguna intención de pasar por cientos de mensajes de correo electrónico en Inglés y Español para auditar el proceso. YO creen que es el trabajo de los funcionarios electos de LACRALO, y cualquier persona que se pone en ayudar en ese proceso (Yo ya había leído acerca de la Defensor del Pueblo está posiblemente llamado * nuevo *) No tengo más que suficiente trabajo para hacer en los muchos grupos de trabajo de ICANN a la que me aportan. espero que esto ayude Jacqueline Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El Sábado, 25 de julio 2015 a las 8:04 AM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg(a)isoc-cr.org> escribió: > Thank you Jacqueline! > > I was not present in the first round of voting. Could you point out if and > which of the rules and/or step were not properly followed? > > Than you very much and have a nice weekend > > Carlos RaÃºl GutiÃ©rrez > +506 8837 7176 (New Number) > Enviado desde mi iPhone > > El jul 25, 2015, a las 4:46, Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> > escribiÃ³: > > They are clear and transparent. Whether they are followed or not... see > the analysis here and check the link for the RoP sections that are > referenced. > http://atlarge.icann.org/en/node/1793 > > Sincerely > Jacqueline > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:21 PM, <crg(a)isoc-cr.org> wrote: > >> >> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> >> Subject: Re: legality of the process. >> From: crg(a)isoc-cr.org >> >> Dear Vanda, >> >> >> Before a new process, RULES NEED CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT >> >> >> A hug >> >> >> >> >> Ral Carlos Gutierrez >> _____________________ >> >> >> email: crg(a)isoc-cr.org >> Skype: carlos.raulg >> +506 8837 7173 (cell) >> +506 4000 2000 (home) >> +506 2290 3678 (fax) >> _____________________ >> Section 1571-1000 >> San Jose, COSTA RICA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, vanda(a)etges.com.br wrote: >> > >> > >> > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] >> > >> > Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso. >> > Desde: vanda(a)etges.com.br >> > >> > >> > >> > Queridos amigos. >> > Estoy mucho mÃ¡s preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para >> proceder con esta elecciÃ³n, ya despuÃ©s del proceso inicial - empezamos >> siguiendo el proceso original - que ya estÃ¡ cerrado? >> > Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el >> desierto el proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro. >> > O le gustarÃa que alguien del personal para darnos una declaraciÃ³n >> clara al respecto. >> > gracias >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Vanda >> > Polo Consultores Associados >> > TI-Trend Consulting >> > Av. Paulista, 1159 cj 1004 >> > 01311-200 - SÃ£o Paulo - SP - Brasil >> > Fone: +55.11.3266.6253 >> > Celular: +55.11.9.8137.1464 >> > Skype: vanda.scartezini >> > e-mail: vanda(a)scartezini.org >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy < >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict >> of interest. >> >> >> >> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile : >> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto < >> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto> >> >> >> >> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and >> regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for >> Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of >> Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New >> Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium >> Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division." >> >> >> >> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in >> LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of >> Small and Medium Entrepreneurs? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Dev Anand Teelucksingh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels < >> carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. >> And do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word. >> >> >> >> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit. >> >> >> >> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus >> with the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the >> Chairman and its representative to LACRALO. >> >> >> >> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT >> development services to those who are on the poor side of the digital >> divide. DevNet thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as >> Guyana's version Internauta Usarios etc. etc. >> >> >> >> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue >> of his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives >> his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT >> get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. >> >> >> >> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean >> to have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that >> Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when >> he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN >> system - just looks delusional for some of us. >> >> >> >> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one >> thing or other. >> >> >> >> -Carlton >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> >> Carlton A Samuels >> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799> >> >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < >> apisan(a)unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx>> wrote: >> >> Carlton, >> >> >> >> >> >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable >> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the >> election was in course. >> >> >> >> Simple. No rhetoric needed. >> >> >> >> Alejandro Pisanty >> >> >> >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> >> Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM >> >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> >> >> >> +52-1-5541444475 <tel:%2B52-1-5541444475> FROM ABROAD >> >> >> >> +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 >> <tel:%2B525541444475> >> >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com <http://pisanty.blogspot.com/> >> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty < >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty> >> >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 < >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614> >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty <http://twitter.com/apisanty> >> >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/> >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> >> >> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: >> lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ >> lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: >> lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton >> Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] >> >> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 >> >> Hasta: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> >> >> >> CC: Albert Daniels >> >> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against >> At-Large Staff >> >> >> >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is >> debilitating. >> >> >> >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so >> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what >> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit. >> >> >> >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is >> just too much and I must break my silence. >> >> >> >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: >> >> >> >> Definitions of bullshit >> >> noun >> >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. >> >> verb >> >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why. >> >> >> >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will >> repeat it here for effect. >> >> >> >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. >> Ã¢â¬â¹ >> >> >> >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process >> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. >> >> >> >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election >> process into question. >> >> >> >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to >> come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it >> is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in >> the first place! >> >> >> >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. >> >> >> >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome >> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk >> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. >> >> >> >> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. >> >> >> >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed >> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated >> unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for >> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single >> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and >> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very >> important ICANN councils. >> >> >> >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to >> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris >> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do >> then. >> >> >> >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. >> And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for >> Lance Hinds. >> >> >> >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is >> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. >> >> >> >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our >> now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of >> 'impropriety' raised! >> >> >> >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume >> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even >> asleep at the switch. >> >> >> >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other >> operating conditions are applied. >> >> >> >> Go figure. >> >> >> >> -Carlton Samuels >> >> >> >> ============================== >> >> Carlton A Samuels >> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799> >> >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en < >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/23c5c1b789.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] legalidad del proceso.
by crg＠isoc-cr.org July 25, 2015

July 25, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso. De: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Gracias Jacqueline! Yo no estaba presente en la primera ronda de votación. ¿Podría señalar si y cuáles de las reglas y / o paso no se siguieron correctamente? Que usted mucho y tiene un buen fin de semana Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez +506 8837 7176 (Nuevo número) Enviado desde mi iPhone > El jul 25, 2015, a las 4:46, Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> escribiÃ³: > > They are clear and transparent. Whether they are followed or not... see the analysis here and check the link for the RoP sections that are referenced. > http://atlarge.icann.org/en/node/1793 > > Sincerely > Jacqueline > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:21 PM, <crg(a)isoc-cr.org> wrote: >> >> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> >> Subject: Re: legality of the process. >> From: crg(a)isoc-cr.org >> >> Dear Vanda, >> >> >> Before a new process, RULES NEED CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT >> >> >> A hug >> >> >> >> >> Ral Carlos Gutierrez >> _____________________ >> >> >> email: crg(a)isoc-cr.org >> Skype: carlos.raulg >> +506 8837 7173 (cell) >> +506 4000 2000 (home) >> +506 2290 3678 (fax) >> _____________________ >> Section 1571-1000 >> San Jose, COSTA RICA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, vanda(a)etges.com.br wrote: >> > >> > >> > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] >> > >> > Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso. >> > Desde: vanda(a)etges.com.br >> > >> > >> > >> > Queridos amigos. >> > Estoy mucho mÃ¡s preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para proceder con esta elecciÃ³n, ya despuÃ©s del proceso inicial - empezamos siguiendo el proceso original - que ya estÃ¡ cerrado? >> > Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el desierto el proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro. >> > O le gustarÃa que alguien del personal para darnos una declaraciÃ³n clara al respecto. >> > gracias >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Vanda >> > Polo Consultores Associados >> > TI-Trend Consulting >> > Av. Paulista, 1159 cj 1004 >> > 01311-200 - SÃ£o Paulo - SP - Brasil >> > Fone: +55.11.3266.6253 >> > Celular: +55.11.9.8137.1464 >> > Skype: vanda.scartezini >> > e-mail: vanda(a)scartezini.org >> > >> > >> >> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict of interest. >> >> >> >> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile : https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto <https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto> >> >> >> >> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division." >> >> >> >> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of Small and Medium Entrepreneurs? >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Dev Anand Teelucksingh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. And do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word. >> >> >> >> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit. >> >> >> >> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman and its representative to LACRALO. >> >> >> >> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's version Internauta Usarios etc. etc. >> >> >> >> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. >> >> >> >> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN system - just looks delusional for some of us. >> >> >> >> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one thing or other. >> >> >> >> -Carlton >> >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> >> Carlton A Samuels >> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799> >> >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx>> wrote: >> >> Carlton, >> >> >> >> >> >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course. >> >> >> >> Simple. No rhetoric needed. >> >> >> >> Alejandro Pisanty >> >> >> >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> >> Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM >> >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> >> >> >> +52-1-5541444475 <tel:%2B52-1-5541444475> FROM ABROAD >> >> >> >> +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> >> >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com <http://pisanty.blogspot.com/> >> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty <http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty> >> >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 <http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614> >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty <http://twitter.com/apisanty> >> >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/> >> >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> >> >> >> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] >> >> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 >> >> Hasta: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> >> >> >> CC: Albert Daniels >> >> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff >> >> >> >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating. >> >> >> >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit. >> >> >> >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence. >> >> >> >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: >> >> >> >> Definitions of bullshit >> >> noun >> >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. >> >> verb >> >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. >> >> >> >> >> >> Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why. >> >> >> >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect. >> >> >> >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. Ã¢â¬â¹ >> >> >> >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. >> >> >> >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question. >> >> >> >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place! >> >> >> >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. >> >> >> >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. >> >> >> >> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. >> >> >> >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils. >> >> >> >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then. >> >> >> >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds. >> >> >> >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. >> >> >> >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised! >> >> >> >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch. >> >> >> >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied. >> >> >> >> Go figure. >> >> >> >> -Carlton Samuels >> >> >> >> ============================== >> >> Carlton A Samuels >> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799> >> >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >> >> ============================= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e6f3dd5083.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] legalidad del proceso.
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 25, 2015

July 25, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso. De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Son claros y transparentes. Ya sea que se cumplan o no ... ver el análisis aquí y vea el enlace para las secciones ROP que son referenciada. http://atlarge.icann.org/en/node/1793 Sinceramente Jacqueline Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El Viernes, 24 de julio 2015 a las 1:21 de la tarde, <crg(a)isoc-cr.org> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re: legality of the process. > From: crg(a)isoc-cr.org > > Dear Vanda, > > > Before a new process, RULES NEED CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT > > > A hug > > > > > Ral Carlos Gutierrez > _____________________ > > > email: crg(a)isoc-cr.org > Skype: carlos.raulg > +506 8837 7173 (cell) > +506 4000 2000 (home) > +506 2290 3678 (fax) > _____________________ > Section 1571-1000 > San Jose, COSTA RICA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, vanda(a)etges.com.br wrote: > > > > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > > > Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso. > > Desde: vanda(a)etges.com.br > > > > > > > > Queridos amigos. > > Estoy mucho mÃ¡s preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para > proceder con esta elecciÃ³n, ya despuÃ©s del proceso inicial - empezamos > siguiendo el proceso original - que ya estÃ¡ cerrado? > > Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el desierto > el proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro. > > O le gustarÃa que alguien del personal para darnos una declaraciÃ³n clara > al respecto. > > gracias > > > > > > > > > > Vanda > > Polo Consultores Associados > > TI-Trend Consulting > > Av. Paulista, 1159 cj 1004 > > 01311-200 - SÃ£o Paulo - SP - Brasil > > Fone: +55.11.3266.6253 > > Celular: +55.11.9.8137.1464 > > Skype: vanda.scartezini > > e-mail: vanda(a)scartezini.org > > > > > >> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy < > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict of > interest. > >> > >> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile : > https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto < > https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto> > >> > >> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and > regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for > Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of > Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New > Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium > Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division." > >> > >> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in > LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of > Small and Medium Entrepreneurs? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Dev Anand Teelucksingh > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels < > carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. > And do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word. > >> > >> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit. > >> > >> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus > with the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the > Chairman and its representative to LACRALO. > >> > >> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development > services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet > thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's version > Internauta Usarios etc. etc. > >> > >> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of > his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives > his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT > get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. > >> > >> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to > have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that > Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when > he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN > system - just looks delusional for some of us. > >> > >> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one > thing or other. > >> > >> -Carlton > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Carlton A Samuels > >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799> > >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround > >> ============================= > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < > apisan(a)unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx>> wrote: > >> Carlton, > >> > >> > >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable > conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the > election was in course. > >> > >> Simple. No rhetoric needed. > >> > >> Alejandro Pisanty > >> > >> > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > >> Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM > >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > >> > >> +52-1-5541444475 <tel:%2B52-1-5541444475> FROM ABROAD > >> > >> +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 > <tel:%2B525541444475> > >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com <http://pisanty.blogspot.com/> > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty < > http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty> > >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 < > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614> > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty <http://twitter.com/apisanty> > >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/> > >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >> > >> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] > >> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > >> Hasta: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >> > >> CC: Albert Daniels > >> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > At-Large Staff > >> > >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is > debilitating. > >> > >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so > cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what > I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > >> > >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just > too much and I must break my silence. > >> > >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > >> > >> Definitions of bullshit > >> noun > >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > >> verb > >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > >> > >> > >> Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > >> > >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > repeat it here for effect. > >> > >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. > Ã¢â¬â¹ > >> > >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > >> > >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election > process into question. > >> > >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the > first place! > >> > >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > >> > >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome > after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk > of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > >> > >> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > >> > >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > important ICANN councils. > >> > >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to > muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris > being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do > then. > >> > >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance > Hinds. > >> > >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. > >> > >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' > raised! > >> > >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume > the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even > asleep at the switch. > >> > >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > operating conditions are applied. > >> > >> Go figure. > >> > >> -Carlton Samuels > >> > >> ============================== > >> Carlton A Samuels > >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799> > >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround > >> ============================= > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto: > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en < > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/97a190cd47.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Sobre el debate por LACRALO ALAC miembros.
by rok＠bango.org.bb July 25, 2015

July 25, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Sobre el debate por LACRALO ALAC miembros. De: rok(a)bango.org.bb Dev acusa de mala interpretación y ensuciar todo para arriba, considere Dev de muy grosero y exige una disculpa. Estamos tratando con niños aquí? Me doy cuenta hace mucho tiempo que la cultura política de LA no les permite entender el concepto de democracia. Veo un montón de manipulación. Hacer sencilla compleja materia. Una gran cantidad de condescendiente seguir aquí también y falsa Abrazos y besos. Falso; y estoy de acuerdo con Dev acerca de la hipocresía. El exceso de elitismo en este grupo. El exceso de la dictadura y todo un montón de arrogancia. No se puede llegar a ninguna parte con esto y me di cuenta de que desde hace mucho tiempo Hace. Cuando pienso en el comportamiento que viene de ese lado, las palabras siguientes parpadeará a mí: Dictadura; imperialista; racista. Sólo una impresión. República de Corea -----Mensaje Original----- Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre del presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Enviado el: Jueves, 23 de julio 2015 20:55 Para: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] Sobre el debate por LACRALO ALAC miembros. [[--Translated Texto (es -> es) -]] Asunto: Sobre el debate por LACRALO ALAC miembros. Desde: presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar Estimados colegas, voy a ser franco y directo, en cierto modo, no lo haré Volviendo a la cuestión. En primer lugar voy a explicar algo que Dev, quien como malinterpreta habituales y el desorden todo lo desconocido o no entendido por su falta de interés en otros, o que tengan que ver con el compromiso que tiene menos. Mi participación en APYME, que aclaró un conjunto de pequeñas y medianas empresas, muchas cooperativas y micro-emprendores mi tareas y compañeros de equipo fueron los usuarios de Internet campo de trabajo sitio web gratuito para ellos (microempresarios) para hacer sus primeros pasos en Internet, así como para enseñar el utilizar algunas herramientas del comercio electrónico en el contexto de lo Llamamos "comercio justo". En esta organización no son ISP involucrados. Espero que se quita el término hipocresía y pido disculpas a mí ya mi co-organización, usted era muy grosero. Por otra parte voy a explicar por qué no votar por Lance. Personalmente no tengo nada en contra de Lance, siempre hemos tenido un trato agradable y relajado entre ellos, siempre encuentro una buena persona. Ahora, tengo muy en contra de lo que representa, no quiero una persona que desde 2006 hasta 2015, nunca asistió a una reunión, yo no trabajo Nunca en la región, no participé en ninguna conferencia y sólo nosotros tener visto cuando nos encontramos cara a cara con billetes pagados por la ICANN. No me gusta ser un proveedor de servicios de Internet que para las organizaciones que trabajan en la protección del consumidor que es el enemigo, que nos estafar, otros nosotros, los contratos de violación, etc. cargos no Yo les digo que él haga eso, sólo decir que representan los empresarios que para nosotros. LACRALO es el espacio donde los usuarios finales participen y no empresas. Yo nunca me pondría a trabajar en el espacio de las empresas, los proveedores de Internet, registradores o registros, espero lo mismo de ellos. Eso es lo que yo llamo respeto. Si son las ONG, las fundaciones o instituciones de beneficencia para satisfacer con la llamada responsabilidad corporativa, tienen estas organizaciones no Permite que sea una organización de usuarios o mayo representar esos intereses, a lo sumo se puede representar los intereses de empresas ... no la nuestra. El personal lo que es incomprensible y otra frustrante, espero después de eso tomar tiempo para explicarnos lo que pasó. No es el primera vez que estas cosas suceden en la región, lo que tengo en mi memoria ocurrido en 2009 ... Esa es mi posición. * Sergio Salinas Porto Presidente Internauta Argentina Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar> / Fetia <http://www.fetia.org.ar> / CTA <http://ctamdq.org.ar> Fluid Federación Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.fuilatin.org> facebook: salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> Y sergiosalinasII <http://www.facebook.com/sergiosalinasII> Twitter: sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas> Google+: Sergio Salinas Porto < https://plus.google.com/104639152443153592254/posts> Hangout: presidencia(a)internauta.org.ar <Hangout%3Apresidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> / Pixelhub: salinasporto <http://pixelhub.me/salinasporto> Youtube: salinasporto <http://www.youtube.com/salinasporto> Skype: internautaargentina Mobi: 54 9 223 5 215 819 * * "Espero que podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes humillar a nuestra conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común "Eduardo Galeano * [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/4c20e197aa.html --]]

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