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Fwd: EC en IG
by carlton.samuels＠uwimona.edu.jm June 18, 2009

June 18, 2009

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Tema: Fwd: EC en IG De: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm ¡Vea, algún otro con excepción de mí está encendido a la estrategia! Carlton Samuels mensaje remitido De: Willie Currie <wcurrie(a)apc.org> Fecha: Thu, 18 de junio de 2009 en 4:24 P.M. Tema: Re: [ gobierno ] EC en IG : governance(a)lists.cpsr.org, Guillermo Drake <william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch> Hi Cuenta Dos otras ediciones también se parecen pertinentes: uno es elargumento de la seguridad apoyo el EU argumento para la responsabilidad externa por gobiernos que esuna generación de eco de la agenda del ' cybersecurity ' en los E.E.U.U.: el ' uso y penetración del Internet es tan altos ahora, especialmenteadentro países desarrollados por ejemplo los del EU, eso se ha convertido en un recurso crítico, donde cualquier interrupción seria en servicio puede tener efectos potencialmente catastróficos en sociedad y el.Moo Internet de la economía... los utilizadores en el EU por lo tanto tienen una expectativa legítima sobre la confiabilidad de ' su Internet '. Los utilizadores también darán vuelta inevitable a sus gobiernos si hay comandante interrupción nacional a su servicio del Internet, y no al vario Gobierno del Internet cuerpos responsables de coordinar recursos.' El USG puede manar drenaje la conclusión que el JPA debe ser extendido si el sector privado las sumisiones a la pregunta de NTIA llevan el día conjuntamente con Ansiedades de los congresos sobre cybersecurity. El segundo es la edición de la competición donde el EU dice: ' el acercamiento self-regulatory según lo practicado por ICANN significa eso los operadores del titular desempeñan un papel potencialmenteinadecuado (e.g. de el punto de vista de política de competición) en fijar las condiciones de entradapara los nuevos competidores. Parece tan una vuelta a la agenda de la ' cooperación realzada ' por EU en el cual ellos han sido silencioso alrededor desde Túnez. La voluntad el USGva con esto ¿acercamiento? No puedo verlo. La pregunta de NTIA ha expuesto la vulnerabilidad de ICANN's en relac'ion con a responsabilidad, de una manera Strategy Committee de ICANN de presidente no previo completamente. Se parecían para subestimar la naturaleza de la política de los E.E.U.U. y de la negativa fuerte reacción del sector privado. Quizás USG nos sorprenderá todos mirando hacia a proceso del multi-tenedor de apuestas a la resolución Problema externo de la responsabilidad de ICANN's. No podemos venimos para arriba con a ¿oferta concreta en este respeto? Willie Guillermo Drake escribió: > > hi, > > hay las comunicaciones de la EC hoy que puede estar de interés. > > gobierno del Internet: los pasos de progresión siguientes > http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/docs/communicat… > > dos dígitos binarios notables: > > primero, la EC refiere al JPA como si sea conclusión y eso es un reparto hecho. Si eso es debido al aseguramiento privado, indiferencia para las posiciones de los varios agentes de la C.C., discurso estratégico, o lo que, que sabe. En cualquier acontecimiento, así que la mudanza encendido, es hora de hablar del IANA: > > "la indicación por el gobierno de los E.E.U.U. en 2006 que el acuerdo actual debe ser dura > tal acuerdo con ICANN fue dado la bienvenida en gran parte por la comunidad internacional > (EU incluyendo). En el mismo tiempo, el gobierno de los E.E.U.U. ha indicado constantemente que él > mantendrá el control eficaz de la coordinación del nombramiento y de la ! dirección globales dominantes > las funciones y esto es probables significar que el problemacon respecto al ' descuido unilateral ' de > tales recursos seguirán siendo sin resolver." > > en segundo lugar, el multistakeholderism es una cosa agradable que se debe "animar" en foros de la discusión como el IGF. ICANN, en contraste, implica la "dirección del privado-sector," que "debe ser mantenido." Y el orden público y la responsabilidad externade ICANN's están para que los gobiernos traten de: > > "en lo que concierne a la responsabilidad externa, los arreglos actuales para el descuido unilateral en vista de necesidad deICANN y del IANA de ser substituido por un mecanismo alternativo para asegurarse de que ICANN tiene responsabilidad multilateral." > > "en la misma época, los órdenes públicos para los recursos de Internet globales dominantes (especialmente ésos que requieren la coordinación global) necesitan ser basados en la cooperación intergubernamental multilateral." > > ! tan a menos que falte algo, se invita a los cabritos civilesde! la soci edad que charlen y gocen en el asiento posterior y dejen conducir a los adultos en el frente. Una familia feliz grande, toda ennuestros papeles respectivos y responsabilidades... > > aclamaciones, > > cuenta > > PICOSEGUNDO: La EC también release/versión una comunicación sobre el Internet de las cosas. > > > > > > > > > > > *********************************************************** > Guillermo J. Drake > Asociado Mayor > centro para el gobierno internacional > instituto graduado de internacional y > Estudios Del Desarrollo > Ginebra, Suiza > william.drake(a)graduateinstitute.ch > www.graduateinstitute.ch/cig/drake.html > *********************************************************** > > ____________________________________________________________ > usted recibió este mensaje como suscriptor en la lista: > governance(a)lists.cpsr.org > ser quitado de la lista, envíe cualquier mensaje a: > governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org > > para toda la información y funciones de la lista, ve! a: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance > ____________________________________________________________ Usted recibió este mensaje como suscriptor en la lista: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org Ser quitado de la lista, envíe cualquier mensaje a: governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org Para toda la información y funciones de la lista, vea: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/68378e13b5.html --]]

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Fwd: La uni�n europea en gobierno del Internet
by carlton.samuels＠uwimona.edu.jm June 18, 2009

June 18, 2009

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Tema: Fwd: La unión europea en gobierno del Internet De: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm Vea la conexión a la unión europea lo más tarde posible en gobierno del Internet. http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/docs/communicat… los "utilizadores también darán vuelta inevitable a sus gobiernos si hay cualquiera interrupción nacional importante a su servicio del Internet, yno a varios cuerpos del gobierno del Internet responsables de coordinar recursos." Recuerde la oferta para una tarjeta del descuido "12 grandes" para ICANN por el EU ¿en el reemplazo del nosotros-solamente arreglo de JPA? La línea que coticé es la alineación más fuerte que utilizan hacer el caso. Solamente apuro es el resto de nosotros sigue siendo invisible. Detrás en el día en que la piratería era una profesión noble y bajo la protección del estado, una fila se convirtió entre España y Portugal encendido el compartir estropea de "descubrimiento". Tan el papa - sí, el vicario de Roma - conseguida los juntos y publicada una Bull - el tratadosupuesto de Tordesillas. Este tratado fijó una línea "270 ligas al oestede las Azores" y declarado cualquieres "resultados" al oeste de esa línea como automáticamente Portugués y al este de esa línea, española. Éste es cómo el Brasil terminó para arriba con la influencia portuguéa. Molestado para ser ido fuera de rey francés, si la memoria sirve uno Francis I, fue alegado para haber comentado del reparto "es yono a ¿Cristiano y un príncipe "? El Somalis benighted pobre está sobre lo que, ¡600 años de atrasado! Y la gente sigue siendo dura en el trabajo guardar a algunos de nosotros - y sociedad civil supuesta - en la periferia. Las lecciones que aprendemos de historia.............. Carlton Samuels La universidad de Indias del oeste _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/2ca467a911.html --]]

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La uni�n europea en gobierno del Internet
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com June 18, 2009

June 18, 2009

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Tema: La unión europea en gobierno del Internet De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Vea la conexión a la unión europea lo más tarde posible en gobierno del Internet. http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/internet_gov/docs/communicat… los "utilizadores también darán vuelta inevitable a sus gobiernos si hay cualquiera interrupción nacional importante a su servicio del Internet, yno a varios cuerpos del gobierno del Internet responsables de coordinar recursos." Recuerde la oferta para una tarjeta del descuido "12 grandes" para ICANN por el EU ¿en el reemplazo del nosotros-solamente arreglo de JPA? La línea que coticé es la alineación más fuerte que utilizan hacer el caso. Solamente apuro es el resto de nosotros sigue siendo invisible. Detrás en el día en que la piratería era una profesión noble y bajo la protección del estado, una fila se convirtió entre España y Portugal encendido el compartir estropea de "descubrimiento". Tan el papa - sí, el vicario de Roma - conseguida los juntos y publicada una Bull - el tratadosupuesto de Tordesillas. Este tratado fijó una línea "270 ligas al oestede las Azores" y declarado cualquieres "resultados" al oeste de esa línea como automáticamente Portugués y al este de esa línea, española. Éste es cómo el Brasil terminó para arriba con la influencia portuguéa. Molestado para ser ido fuera de rey francés, si la memoria sirve uno Francis I, fue alegado para haber comentado del reparto "es yono a ¿Cristiano y un príncipe "? El Somalis benighted pobre está sobre lo que, ¡600 años de atrasado! Y la gente sigue siendo dura en el trabajo guardar a algunos de nosotros - y sociedad civil supuesta - en la periferia. Las lecciones que aprendemos de historia.............. Carlton Samuels La universidad de Indias del oeste _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/1bfb63d9ba.html --]]

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respuesta
by carlos aguirre June 17, 2009

June 17, 2009

Cristian: Con mucho gusto y a pedido respondere a las preguntas y sobre los temas que se me formulen, en la medida de mis tiempos y capacidad. Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:11:27 -0700 > From: cristiancasas(a)hotmail.com > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] =?iso-8859-1?q?Resumen_de_lac-discuss-es=2C_Vol _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?10=2C_Env=EDo_21 = > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Resumen_de_lac-discuss-es=2C_Vol _ = =?iso-8859-1?q?10=2C_Env=EDo_21 = > From: cristiancasas(a)hotmail.com > > > Dear Carlos I believe that we must value and stimulate the honorosa attitude of which they work from the voluntary military service. I include/understand and respect your high degree of commitment with ICANN, but for such reason it is that I request a little to you more understanding, magnanimity with the volunteers who work by the users. Finally, I interpret that as much your contributionas the one of Alexander Pisanty would elevate the level of formation of the region, for that reason I invite to you to that in the next teleconferencings or the lists they coordinate with the authorities ofLacralo to initiate the agenda of study and formation in the subjects that do to the life of the ICANN community. - > > From: lac-discuss-it is -request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Summary of lac-discuss-is, Vol 10, Shipment 21 > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:31:40 -0400 > > Envi'e the messages for the list lac-discuss-is a > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > to subscribe themselves or to annul its subscription throughthe WEB > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > Or by electronic mail, sending a message with the text "help" in > the subject (subject) or in body a: > lac-discuss-is -request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Can contact with the person in charge of list writing a: > lac-discuss-is -owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > If it responds to some content of this message, please, publishes > line of the subject (subject) so that the text is but I specify that: > "Re: Contents of lac-discuss-is digest... ". In addition, please, itincludes > in the answer only those parts of ! > the message to which it is > responding. > > > Subjects of the day: > > 1. Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] declaration Brazil Internaut > (Carlos Aguirre) > 2. Re: internaut of the Brazil of the declaration > (carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com) > 3. Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] declaration Brazil Internaut > (carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com) > > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:29:22 +0000 > From: Carlos Aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] [ lac-discuss-in ] declaration Brazil > Internaut > To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Sylvia Leite > <sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org> > Message-ID: <BAY144-W7ED62E2B4889A5C29CAB4B43C0(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > English below. > > > > Aprovecho the opportunity to declare to me in this subject and does not stop to support or to be against statement (since like representative of the region in ALAC, it does not correspo! > nd to me), but to applaud the appearance of missing actors and! > that se > ems return by their fueros, although without contributing to solutions todavia. > > > > > I take this opportunity to speak, but not to stay in againstor support the statement (because in my charge like LACRALO representative into ALAC, is not my function), but yes to applaud the arrival of old players, who seems to eats back, but still without solutions. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 > to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:31:49 -0700 > > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > CC: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > > > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut! > > > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > > > I agree with both Erick and Alexander on principle. But I part > > company ace the facts dictate. Not only must we talk the talk but we > > have to walk the walk. > > > > In addition to the Travel Policy advisory, there is to raft of current > > policy advice developments in the AT-Large. The staff there arehelpfully > > you please them in one pleases on to spreadsheet and included timelines for > > action. For example and in my view, the IRT Draft Report shouldbe > > significant. > > > > Not need to wait on the laggards. I you invite all of my colleagues who plows > > ace weary of the sideshow ace I a.m. to demonstrate to totheir disgust in a > > and makes specific way give U.S. your views on them. Takeyourpick. > > > > Carlton Samuels > > The University of the West Indies > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 AT 5:00 p.m., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org>! > wrote: > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] &! > gt; > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > Supporting all and each one the points raised by Alexander Pisanty > > Alfa-Redi abstains in this voting and from > successive votings that for they have to do with algun > document or reference to requests of bottoms trips. > > Kindly, > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > Alfa-Redi > http://www.alfa-redi.org > > > AT 04:30 p.m. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Andrés, > > with the to to greater clarity I have tried to insist - > since I energetically did it in the teleconferencing > of yesterday - in whichwe happen to substance subjects which they serve stops: > > 1, to begin to educate our community, that > to you date does not know the real subjects of > that takes care ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of yesterday explicitly); &g! > > t; > 2, to let to to appear dwells like to to scrounger &g! > t; interested in boleto/ticket/billete stops > to attend the discussion that in whichwe dog > to contribute and learning of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that our pleases to the table you eat > of the recognition tothe contribution and not of > system of quotas, that always will be unstable in addition to I infuriate; > > 4. TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, To WHICH > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, ace to result of the previous thing. > > Ratifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico. > > Cuenta the you votes and emit! > > s the declaration that > these allows you; if you have tomajority, like > to under, and if no, to to under personal responsibility, > consensus and the shades of the same one that you detect. > > Warmgreeting to all. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Univers! > > ity 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +! > 52-(1)-55-51! > > 05-6044, > > +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 >! > > * > My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn you promarry out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Andres Piazza wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:07:39 +0000 > > From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > To: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists! > > icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration B! > razil In > ternaut > > > > > > Sylvia Thanks, I a.m. glad that that outside your > > to to answer. For Not only by your own position but > > the rest of the ALS, the summary there informal a.m. is very clarificador. > > Creo th! > > AT LACRALO must su! > pport this > > statement and I would like that we pruned to do one > > voting in the list, that simply > > it expresses the general consensus of LACRALO. > > > > Since President I have been able to engage in a dialog with > > majority of you and I allow myself to say that this > > text of Cheryl, ace Sylvia raises well, > > it reflects most of our positions. > > > > Even Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from > > there a.m. showed his intention that yesterday there a.m. is not > > exactly this something that clears Time to U.S. and > > effort. Substantial Is did not list to objections this text. > > > > If it seems to them, we dog have to consensus to support statement. You will say. > > > > Greetings > > > > A! > > ndrés Piazza > > President of LACRALO > > > > > From: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > & > > gt; To: lac-discus! > s-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >! > > Date: Your! > > > > e, 16 Jun 2009 16:59:17 -0300 > > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > > > > Dear companions, > > > > > > In the teleconferencing I yesterday committed myself to send to declaration > > > explaining the abstention from Brazil Internaut... > > > > > > is Here: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sabemos that ICANN from the beginning ofthe existence ofthe Thin ones you have donates and > > > continues making great investments to make participate and list to the voice > > > of the End users of Internet >> > > > > Also we know of the wonderful and untiring work that the president of > > > ALAC, Cheryl, you eat making. > > > > > > Our abstention in the voting made in the Teleconferencing, was > > > the to to fear of the n! > > onpossibility of participating in the Meetings of ICANN! > in his! > > > >> &g > t; totality region when these plows made in our. Vital Sincewe considered of > > > importance of participating nonsingle in the General Assembly like of > > > factories that plows organized, acewell ace of the Public Forum; being this the only one > > > opportunity to interact with the Board. > > > > > > and this to to fear is founded: > > > > > > 1) in the reality of to to year 2008, when the LACRALO could not make his > > > General Assembly not to be specifically solicitd to be including > > > in the budget of that year. > > > > > > 2) In the reading of page 7 of the following document, > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draft-travel-support-guidelin… > > s-27may09-en.pdf > > > > > > 3) and by vague to to commentary-answer given by Kevin Wilson when him > > sense > I commente! > d on our preoccupation in the! > > that the representatives! > > &g > t; > of the single ALSs wou! > > ld have > > the opportunity to participate in the! > > General Assemblies > > > and not of the totality the meeting when these plows made in > > > our region. Ace you dog see in: > > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > Rereading the document > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these points plows being considered reason why > > > Brazil Internaut you retires the abstentionto the document showed yesterday, 15 of > > > June in the monthly teleconferencing of the LACRALO. And we supported the document> > > proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, referringto > > > support of trips for the voluntary members of ALAC. > > > &g! > t; >> > > > > > > immediately, >! > > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > Brazil Internaut > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > &g > t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > Stay up to you dates on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Live Windows > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/>>___________________… > > list lac-discuss-is mailing > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >! > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-e! > s_atlarg > e-lily! > > ts.icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > ___________! > > ________ > > ____________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html >--]] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-in mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/4ãe234301.html > > --]] > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Probá the best games online in MSN > http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:30:00 -0700 > From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > Subject: R! > e: internaut of the Brazil of the declaration > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Sylvia Leite > <sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org> > Message-ID: <200906171430.n5HEU0c8002087(a)mm2.icann.org> > > > [ [ - - Translated text (in - > is)--]] > > > Subject: Re: internaut of the Brazil of the declaration > Of: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > > > English down. > > > > the subject and of the east of in of declaring to me of paragraphs of the opportunity of the the one of I take advantage of noin being supporting of paragraphs ocontra of statement (that like representative of the region in ALAC, no I corresponds), already seemsof of whom of the disappear and the appearance of actors of applaudingof paragraphs of but they return the fueros from his of by, todavia tocontribute of the solutions of the sin of although. > > > > > Tomo this opportunity to speak, but of not remaining insideagainst or of not using the declarati! > on (because in my load like representative of LACRALO in ALAC,! > it is n > ot my function), but of yes not applauding the arrival of old players, that looks like to become, but still without solutions. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordova - Argentina - > * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 > to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > date: Tue, the 16 Of June 2009 17:31:49 Of -0700 > of: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > a: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CUBICAL CENTIMETER: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org;sylvia@internautabrasil.org > subject: Re: internaut of the Brazil of the declaration [ lacquer-discuss-lac-discuss-in ] > > > [ [ - - translated text (is - >)--]] of in > > > subject: Re: internaut of the Brazil of the declaration > of: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > I am suitable with Erick and Alexander in principle. But piece > ace of the company the dictation of the facts. We must speak not only char it ! > but we > > must cross the long walk > in addition to the policy of the consultative route, is to the raft of the current > progresses of the advice of the policy in En-Grande. The personnel there arehelpfully > you who in one satisfy ignition to the leaf please debalance and to timelines including for > action. For example and in my opinion, shouldbe of pr! > oyecto of significant report of IRT > > > nonnecessity to hope in the stragglers. I invites all my colleagues whom > plows tired ace of ace I morning of sideshow to demonstrate to its loathing in a > and specific elasticity the United States of the way of lasmarcas their opinions on them. Yourpick of the taking > > Carlton Samuels > the university of Indians of the west > > > in Tue, 16 of June of 2009 IN 5:00 P.M., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> it wrote: > > [ [ - - translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > the subject: Re: internaut of the Brazil of the decl! > aration > of: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > using all an! > d each t > he subjects raised by Alexander Pisanty > > Alfa-Redi abstains in which it votes and of > votings successive that they have to do with algun > amiably the document or the reference to requests of the bottoms for the trips > >, > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > Alfa-Redi > http://www.alfa-redi.org & > gt; > > IN 04:30 P.M.. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty esc! > ribió: & > gt; Andrés, > > with a greater clarity than I have tried to insist - > since enérgio I did in teleconferencing > of yesterday - in which we happen to the subjects of the substance that it serves shutdowns: > > 1, to begin to educate our community, of that > to the dates does not know to the true subjects > that the takings take care of ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of ayerexplícitamente); &g! > t; > 2, > let to appear the haltings have taste when scrounger interested in boleto/ticket/billete for > to takecare of the disc! > ussion that in dog of whichwe > to contribute and to learn of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that ours it satisfies him to the vector eats > of the contribution of tothe of the recognition and not of > system of the contingents, that will be always unstable in addition to me become infuriated; > > 4. IN ORDER TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, THOSE WHO > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, ace to be from the previous thing > > Rat! > ifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico > > Cuenta you vote and emit >> s the declaration that > these do not prohiben to him; if you have tomajority underneath, like >, and if no, to the inferior personal responsibility, > consensus and the curtains of the same one that you detected > > Warmgreeting to all > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Univers Av.! > 3000 ity, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-5! > 5-51! > 05-6044, > +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * my b! > log of b > log/My: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn you promarry towardsoutside: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM inLinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > > - - - - > > Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .... . .> > > in Tue, the 16 of juni! > or 2009 of Seat of Andres wrote: > > > date: Tue,! > The 16 Of > June 2009 20:07:39 Of +0000 > > Of: Seat of Andres <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > a: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, lacquer-discuss-es@atlarge-lists! > > icann.org > > subject: Re: [ lacquer-discuss-is ] declaration B! > razil in > ternaut > > > > > > thanks of Sylvia, I tomorrow cheers that that outside his > > to the answer. For not only of its own position but > > the rest of the ALS, the summary is in favor same there clarificado! > r. > > th informal of I create! > in LACRALO must use this > > the declaration and simply wanted that we pruned to do one > > voting in the list, that > > express he the general consensus of LACRALO. > > > > since president Ihas been able to hook to a dialogue with > > majority of you and I allow myself that he says that this one > > text of Cheryl, ace Sylviaraises well, > > reflected he most of our positions > > > >! > Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from > > I even showed its intention that are not yesterday > there > exactly this something queborra time to the United States and > there > effort. We are we didnot enumerate to the substantial objections east text > > > > if it islooked like them, we persecuted we have consensus to use the declaration. You will say > > > > the greetings > > > > A! > > Seat ofndrés > > LACRALO president ! > > > > > > of: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org> &! > gt; and! > > gt; : lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >! > date:Your > e, the 16 of June 2009 16:59:17 of -0300 > > > subject: [ lacquer-discuss-is ] internaut of the Brazil of the declaration > > > > > > the wanted companions, > > > > > > in teleconferencing that I trusted yesterday to send to the declaration > > > explaining the abstention from internaut of Brazil... > >! > > > > > is here: > > > > > >! > > &g > t; > > > > Sabemos that ICANN of ofthe of the existence of ofthe that you begin have thin you donate and > > > continues making great investments to make to participate and list to the voice > > > of the users of the end of the Internet > > > > > > also we know of the wonderful one and the work untiring that the president of > > > ALAC, Cheryl, you eat the manufacture > > > > > > our ! > abstention in the voting done in teleconferencing, was > > > to the fear of the n! >> onpossibility to participate in the meetings of ICANN in his! > > >> &g > t; region of the totality when these plows done in ours. Vital Sincewe considered of > > > importance of nonsingle that participates in the General Assembly has taste of > > > the factories that the plows ordered, affluent ace of the ace of the public forum; being thisone only > > >! > is based the opportunity to build reciprocally with the card > > > >> > and this one to fear: > > > > > > 1) in the reality to year 2008, when the LACRALO could not do his specifically > > > General Assembly to not being solicitd to include > > > in the budget of that year > > > > > > 2) in the reading of pagination 7 of the following document, >> > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draf! > t-travel-support-guideline> > > s-27may09-en.pdf >! > > &g > t; > > > 3) and by vague to commentary-contestadado by Kevin Wilson when he > > felt > I commentedwith respect to our preoccupation in! > > that the representatives > > > of single wou of ALSs! > ld has > > the opportunity to participate in! > > assemblies > > > general and not of the totality the meeting when these plows done in >> > our region. Ace that you persecute you see in: > > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > rereading the document > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these plows of the ends that are considered reason for which > > > internaut of Brazil you retire abstentionto that the document showed yesterday, 15 of > > > June in teleconferencing monthl! > y of the LACRALO. And we used the document > > > proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, talking about> > > aid of the trips for the miembrosvoluntarios of ALAC. > > > > > > >! > > > > > > immediately, >! > > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > Internaut Of Brazil > >> > > > > > > > > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > &g > t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > stay until you you date in its PC, the Web, and its movable telephone with alive Windows > > >>_______________________________________________ of http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ > > list lacquer-to discuss is sending > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org! > /mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lists.icann.org> &! > gt; > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > lacquer-to discuss is sending the list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mai! > lman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lily! > ts.icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > ___________! > ________ > ____________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - original text (it is) >http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html > --]] > > > > >_______________________________________________ > lacquer-discuss-in list that sends > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list… > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - original text (is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/4ãe234301.html > --]] > > > > > _______________________! > __________________________________________ > In in line MSN of the games of the best ones of those of Probá > http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (in) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/f563c7b326.html > --]] > > > > > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:29:59 -0700 > From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] [ lac-discuss-in ] declaration Brazil > Internaut > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Sylvia Leite > <sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org> > Message-ID: <200906171429.n5HETxKQ002083(a)mm2.icann.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > > > English below. > > > > I take advantage of the opportunity to declares to me in this subject and it does not ! > stop to support or to be against statement (since likerepresen! > tative o > f the region in ALAC, it does notcorrespond to me), but to applaud the appearance of missing actors andthat seems return by to their fueros, although without contributing tosolutions todavia. > > > > > I take this opportunity to speak, but not to stay in against orsupport the statement (because in my charge like LACRALO representative into ALAC, is not my function), but yes to applaud the arrival of old players, who seems to eats back, but still without solutions. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba- Argentina - > * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 > to to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:31:49 -0700 > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > [ [- - Translated! > text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > I agree with both Erick and Alexander on principle. But I part > company ace the facts dictate. Not only must we talk the talk but we > have to walk the walk. > > In addition to the Travel Policy advisory, there isto raft of current > policy advice developments in the AT-Large. The staff there arehelpfully > you please them in one pleases on to spreadsheet and included timelines for > action. For example and in myview, the IRT Draft Report shouldbe > significant. > > Not need to wait on the laggards. I you invites all of my colleagues who plows > ace weary of the s! > ideshow ace I a.m. to demonstrate to to to their disgust in a > and makes specific way give U.S. your views on them. Take yourpick. > > Carlton Samuels > The University of the West Indies > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 AT 5:00 p.! > m., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> wrote: > > [ [ - - Translat! > ed text > (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > Supporting all and each one the points raised by Alexander Pisanty > > Alfa-Redi abstains in this voting and from > successive votings that for they have to do with algun > document or reference to requests of bottoms trips. > > Kindly, > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > Alfa-Redi > http://www.alfa-redi.org > > > AT 04:30 p.m. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Andrés, > > with the to to to greater clarity I have tried to insist - > since I energetically did it in the teleconferencing > of yesterday - in whichwe happen! > to substance subjects which they serve stops: > > 1, to! > begin t > or educate our community, that > to you dates does not knowthe real subjects of > that takes care ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of yesterday explicitly); &g! > t; > 2, to let to t! > o to appear dwells like to to to scrounger > interestedin boleto/ticket/billete stops > to attend the discussion that in whichwe dog > to contribute and learning of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that our pleases to the table you eat > of the recognition tothe contribution and not of > system of quotas, that always will be unstable in addition to I infuriate; > > 4. TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, To WHICH > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, ace to result of the previous thing. > > Ratifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico. > > Cuenta the you you vote and emit! > > s the declaration that > these allows you; if you have tomajority, like > to to under, and if no, to to to under personal responsibility, > consensus and the shades of thesame one! > that you detect. > > Warmgreeting to all. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Univers! &g! > t; ity 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55! > -51! &gt > ; 05-6044, > +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn you promarry out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .... . .> > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Andres Piazza wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:07:39 +0000 > > From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > To: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists! > > icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] declares! > tion B! > razil In > ternaut > > > > > &g! > t; Sylvi > to Thanks, I a.m. glad that that outside your > > to to to answer. For Not only by your own position but > > the rest of the ALS,the summary there informal a.m. is v! > ery clarificador. > > Creo th! > AT LACRALO must support this > > statement and I would like that we pruned to do one > > voting in the list, that simply > > it expresses the general consensus of LACRALO. > > > > Since President I have been able to engage in a dialog with > > majority of you and I allow myselfto say that this > > text of Cheryl, ace Sylvia raises well, > >it reflects most of our positions. > > > > Even Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from > > there a.m. showed his intention that yesterdaythere a.m. is not > > exactly this something that clears Time to U.S. and > > effort. Substantial Is did not list to objections this text. >> > > If it seems to them, we dog have to consensus to support! > statement. You will say. > > > > Greetings > > > > A! > > ndrés Piazza > > President of LACRALO > > > > > From: sylvia! > @internautabrasil.org > > & > gt; To: lac-discuss-es@! > atlarge- > lists.icann.org > > >! > Date: Your > e, 16 Jun2009 16:59:17 -0300 > > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > > > > Dear companions, > > > > > > In the teleconferencing I yesterday committed myself to send to declaration >> > explaining the abstention from Brazil Internaut... > > > > > > is Here: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sabemos that ICANN from the beginning ofthe existence ofthe Thin ones you have donates and > > > continues making great investments to make participate and list to the voice > >> of the End users of Internet > > > > > > Also we know of the wonderful! > and untiring work that the president of > > > ALAC,! > Cheryl, > you eat making. > > > > > > Our abstention in the voting made in the Teleconferencing, was > > > the to to to fear of the n! &g! > t; > onpossibility of participating in the Meetings of ICANN in his! > > > > &g > t; totality region when these plows made in our. Vital Sincewe considered of > > > importance of participating nonsingle in the General Assembly like of > > > factories that plows organized, acewell ace of the Public Forum; being this the only one > > > opportunity to interact with the Board. > > > > > > and this to to to fear is founded: > > > > > > 1) in the reality of to to to year 2008, when the LACRALO could not make his > > > General Assembly not to be specifically solicitd to be including > > > in the budget of that year. > > > > > > 2) In the reading of page 7 of the following document, > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/t! > ravel-support/draft-travel-support-guideline > > > s-27may09-en.pdf > > > > > > 3) and by vague to to to comm! > entary-answer given by Kevin Wilson when him > > sense &! > gt; I co > mmented on our preoccupation in the! >that the representatives > > > of the single ALSs wou! > ld have > theopportunity to participate in the! > > General Assemblies > > > and not of the totality the meeting when these plows made in > > > our region. Ace you dog see in: > > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > Rereading the document > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these points plows being considered reason why > > > Brazil Internaut you you retire the abstentionto the document showed yesterday, 15 of! > > > > June in the monthly teleconferencing of the! > CRALO. A > nd we supported the document > > > proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, referringto > &! > gt; > support of trips for the voluntary members of ALAC. > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately, >! > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > Brazil Internaut > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > &g > t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > Stay up to you you date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone withLive Windows > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ >>_______________________________________________ > > list lac-discuss-is mailing > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list…! > ann.org > > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >____________________________________________! > ___ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es@atlar! > ge-lists > .icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lily… ts.icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > ___________! > ________ > ____________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text(it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html > --]]> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-in mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/4ãe234301.html > --]] > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Probá the best games online in MSN > http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > > ! > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/38f7aè84d.html > --]] > > > > next part > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-in mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list… > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > Aim of Summary of lac-discuss-is, Vol 10, Shipment 21 > ************************************************** > > _________________________________________________________________ > Famous Volvé to your mascot with MSN > http://events.latam.msn.com/tumascota > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [[--Original text (es) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/192fe51081.html > --]] > > > _________________________________________________________________ Probá los mejores juegos online en MSN http://juegos.ar.msn.com/

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Resumen de lac-discuss-es, Vol 10, Envío 21
by Cristian Hernan Casas June 17, 2009

June 17, 2009

Estimado Carlos creo que debemos valorar y estimular la honorosa actitud de aquellos que trabajan desde el voluntariado. Comprendo y respeto tu alto grado de compromiso con ICANN, pero por tal razón es que te pido un poco más de comprensión, magnanimidad con los voluntarios que trabajan por los usuarios. Finalmente, interpreto que tanto tu aporte como el de Alejandro Pisanty elevarían el nivel de formación de la región, por ello te invito a que en las próximas teleconferencias o en las listas coordinen con las autoridades de Lacralo para iniciar la agenda de estudio y formación en los temas que hacen a la vida de la comunidad de ICANN.- > From: lac-discuss-es-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Resumen de lac-discuss-es, Vol 10, Envío 21 > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:31:40 -0400 > > Envíe los mensajes para la lista lac-discuss-es a > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Para subscribirse o anular su subscripción a través de la WEB > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > O por correo electrónico, enviando un mensaje con el texto "help" en > el asunto (subject) o en el cuerpo a: > lac-discuss-es-request(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Puede contactar con el responsable de la lista escribiendo a: > lac-discuss-es-owner(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Si responde a algún contenido de este mensaje, por favor, edite la > linea del asunto (subject) para que el texto sea mas especifico que: > "Re: Contents of lac-discuss-es digest...". Además, por favor, incluya > en la respuesta sólo aquellas partes del mensaje a las que está > respondiendo. > > > Asuntos del día: > > 1. Re: [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil Internaut > (carlos aguirre) > 2. Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración > (carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com) > 3. Re: [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil Internaut > (carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:29:22 +0000 > From: carlos aguirre <carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil > Internaut > To: <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Sylvia Leite > <sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org> > Message-ID: <BAY144-W7ED62E2B4889A5C29CAB4B43C0(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > English below. > > > > Aprovecho la oportunidad para manifestarme en este asunto y no para apoyar o estar en contra del statement (ya que como representante de la region en ALAC, no me corresponde), sino para aplaudir la aparicion de actores desaparecidos y que parece vuelven por sus fueros, aunque sin aportar soluciones todavia. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I take this opportunity to speak, but not to stay in against or support the statement (because in my charge like LACRALO representative into ALAC, is not my function), but yes to applaud the arrival of old players, who seems to come back, but still without solutions. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - > *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 > www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:31:49 -0700 > > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > CC: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > > > I agree with both Erick and Alexander on principle. But I part > > company ace the facts dictate. Not only must we talk the talk but we > > have to walk the walk. > > > > In addition to the Travel Policy advisory, there is to raft of current > > policy advice developments in the AT-Large. The staff there arehelpfully > > you please them in one pleases on to spreadsheet and included timelines for > > action. For example and in my view, the IRT Draft Report shouldbe > > significant. > > > > Not need to wait on the laggards. I invites all of my colleagues who plows > > ace weary of the sideshow ace I a.m. to demonstrate to their disgust in a > > and makes specific way give U.S. your views on them. Take yourpick. > > > > Carlton Samuels > > The University of the West Indies > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 AT 5:00 p.m., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> wrote: > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > Supporting all and each one the points raised by Alexander Pisanty > > Alfa-Redi abstains in this voting and from > successive votings that they have to do with algun > document or reference to requests of bottoms for trips. > > Kindly, > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > Alfa-Redi > http://www.alfa-redi.org > > > AT 04:30 p.m. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Andrés, > > with the to greater clarity I have tried to insist - > since I energetically did it in the teleconferencing > of yesterday - in which we happen to substance subjects which they serve stops: > >1, to begin to educate our community, that > to dates does not know the real subjects of > that takes care ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of yesterday explicitly); &g! > > t; > 2, to let to appear dwells like to scrounger > interested in boleto/ticket/billete stops > to attend the discussion that in whichwe dog > to contribute and learning of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that our pleases to the table you eat > of the recognition tothe contribution and not of > system of quotas, that always will be unstable in addition to I infuriate; > > 4. TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, To WHICH > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, ace to result of the previous thing.> > Ratifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico. > > Cuenta the you vote and emit! > > s the declaration that > these allows you; if you have tomajority, like > under, and if no, to under personal responsibility, > consensus and the shades of the same one that you detect. > > Warmgreeting to all. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Univers! > > ity 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-51! > > 05-6044, > > +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn you promarry out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Andres Piazza wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:07:39 +0000 > > From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > To: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists! > > .icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration B! > razil In > ternaut > > > > > > Sylvia Thanks, I a.m. glad that that outside your > > to answer. For Not only by your own position but > > the rest of the ALS, the summary there am is very clarificador. > > Creo informal th! > > at LACRALO must support this > > statement and I would like that we pruned to do one > > voting in the list, that simply > > it expresses the general consensus of LACRALO. > > > > Since President I have been able to engage in a dialog with > > majority of you and I allow myself to say that this > > text of Cheryl, ace Sylvia raises well, > > it reflects most of our positions. > > > > Even Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from > >there am showed his intention that yesterday there am is not > > exactly this something that clears Time to U.S. and > > effort. Is did not list to substantial objections this text. > > > > If it seems to them, we dog have to consensus to support statement. You will say. > > > > Greetings > > > > A! > > ndrés Piazza > > President of LACRALO > > > > > From: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > &! > > gt; To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > ! > > Date: Tu > > e, 16 Jun 2009 16:59:17 -0300 > > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > > > > Dear companions, > > > > > > In the teleconferencing I yesterday committed myself to send to declaration >> > explaining the abstention from Brazil Internaut... > > > > > > is Here: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sabemos that ICANN from the beginning ofthe existence ofthe Thin ones you have donates and > > > continues making great investments to make participate and list to the voice > >> of the End users of Internet > > > > > > Also we know of the wonderful and untiring work that the president of > > > ALAC, Cheryl, you eat making. > > > > > > Our abstention in the voting made in the Teleconferencing, was > > > the to fear of the n! > > onpossibility of participating in the Meetings of ICANN in his! ! > > > >>&g > t; totality region when these plows made in our. Vital Sincewe considered of > > > importance of participating nonsingle in the General Assembly like of > > > factories that plows organized, ace well ace of the Public Forum; being this the only one > > > opportunity to interact with the Board. > > > > > > and this to fear is founded: > > > > > > 1) in the reality of to year 2008, when the LACRALO could not make his > > > General Assembly not to be specifically solicitd to be including > > > in the budget of that year. > > > > > > 2) In the reading of page 7 of the following document, > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draft-travel-support-guidelin… > > s-27may09-en.pdf > > > > > > 3) and by vague to commentary-answer given by Kevin Wilson when him > > sense > I commented on our preoccupation in the ! > > that the representatives > > > of the single ALSs wou! > > ld have > > the opportunity to participate in the! > > Assemblies > > > General and not of the totality the meeting when these plows made in > > > our region. Ace you dog see in:> > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > Rereading the document > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these points plows being considered reason why > > > Brazil Internaut you retire the abstentionto the document showed yesterday, 15 of > > > June in the monthly teleconferencing of the LACRALO. And we supported the document > > > proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, referring to > > > support of trips for the voluntary members of ALAC. > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately, >! > > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > Brazil Internaut > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > &g > t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > Stay up to you date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Live Windows > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ >>_______________________________________________ > > list lac-discuss-is mailing > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lis! > > ts.icann.org> > http://www.lacralo.org > > > ___________! > > ________ > > ____________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html > --]] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-in mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list… > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (es) > > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/46ae234301.html > > --]] > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Probá los mejores juegos online en MSN > http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:30:00 -0700 > From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Sylvia Leite > <sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org> > Message-ID: <200906171430.n5HEU0c8002087(a)mm2.icann.org> > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > > Tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración > De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > > > Inglés abajo. > > > > El asunto y del este del en del manifestarme de párrafos del oportunidad del la de Aprovecho ningún en estar apoyar de párrafos ocontra del statement (que como representante de la region en ALAC, ningún yo corresponde), parece del ya del que de los desaparecidos y de la aparicion de actores del aplaudir de párrafos del sino vuelven los fueros del sus del por, todavia aportar de los soluciones del pecado del aunque. > > > > > Tomo esta oportunidad de hablar, pero de no permanecer adentro contra o de no utilizar la declaración (porque en mi carga como representante de LACRALO en ALAC, no está mi función), pero de no aplaudir sí la llegada de viejos jugadores, que se parece volverse, pero aún sin soluciones. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - La Argentina - > * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 > www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > fecha: Tue, El 16 De Junio 2009 17:31:49 De -0700 > de: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > a: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CENTÍMETRO CÚBICO: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org;sylvia@internautabrasil.org > tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración [ laca-discutir-lac-discuss-en ] > > > [ [ - - texto traducido (es - >)--]] del en > > > tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración > de: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > convengo con Erick y Alexander en principio. Pero pieza > as de la compañía el dictado de los hechos. Debemos nosotros hablar no solamente la charla pero nosotros > tienen que recorrer la caminata. > > además de la política del recorrido consultiva, hay a la balsa de la corriente > progresos del consejo de la política en el En-Grande. El personal allí arehelpfully > usted que en uno satisfacen por favor encendido a la hoja debalance y a los timelines incluidos para > acción. Por ejemplo y en mi opinión, el shouldbe del pr! > oyecto de informe de IRT > significativo. > > no necesidad de esperar en los rezagados. I invita a todos mis colegas que are > as cansado del as I mañana del sideshow a demostrar a su repugnancia en a > y elasticidad específica ESTADOS UNIDOS de la manera de lasmarcas sus opiniones sobre ellos. Yourpick de la toma. > > Carlton Samuels > la universidad de Indias del oeste > > > en Tue, 16 de junio de 2009 EN 5:00 P.M., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> escribió: > > [ [ - - texto traducido (está - > en)--]] > > > el tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración > de: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > utilizando todos y cada los temas planteados por Alexander Pisanty > > Alfa-Redi abstiene en esto que vota y de > los votings sucesivos que tienen que hacer con el algun > el documento o la referencia a las peticiones de los fondos para los viajes > > amablemente, > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > Alfa-Redi > http://www.alfa-redi.org &! > gt; > > EN 04:30 P.M.. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty esc! > ribió: & > gt; Andrés, > > con a mayor claridad que he intentado insistir - > puesto que enérgio la hice en el teleconferencing > de ayer - en cuál sucedemos a los temas de la sustancia que él sirve a paradas: > > 1, comenzar a educar a nuestra comunidad, de quien > a las fechas no sabe los temas verdaderos > que las tomas cuidan ICANN (algo que lamentably > reiteró el día de ayerexplícitamente); ¡&g! > t; > 2, dejaron para aparecer las detenciones tienen gusto al scrounger > interesado en boleto/ticket/billete para > atender a la discusión que en perro del whichwe > contribuir y aprender de la discusión; > > 3, asegurar que nuestro le satisface al vector comen >de la contribución del tothe del reconocimiento y no de > sistema de los contingentes, que será siempre inestable además de mí se enfurecen; > > 4. PARA SERVIR A NUESTRAS COMUNIDADES, a QUIENES > DECIMOS REPRESENTAR, as para resultar de la cosa anterior. > ¡> Rat! > ifico la abstención de ISOC México > > Cuenta usted vota y emite!> > s el declaración que > éstos no le prohiben; si usted tiene tomajority, como > debajo, y si no, a la responsabilidad personal inferior, > consenso y las cortinas de el mismo que usted detectó > >Warmgreeting a todos > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ¡> Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Univers Av.! > 3000 ity, 04510 México DF México > > Tels. ¡+52-(1)-55-51! > 05-6044, > +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * mi blog de blog/My: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn usted promarry hacia fuera: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->>Unete a ISOC México, http://www.isoc.org > Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . > > > en Tue, el 16 de juni! > o 2009 de Plaza de Andres escribió:> > > fecha: Tue, ! > El 16 De > Junio 2009 20:07:39 De +0000 > > De: Plaza de Andres <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > a: ¡sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, laca-discutir-es@atlarge-listas! > > icann.org > > tema: Re: ¡[ laca-discutir-es ] el declaración B! > razil en > ternaut > > > > > >gracias de Sylvia, I mañana alegre que ese exterior su > > a la respuesta. ¡Para no solamente por su propia posición pero > > el resto del ALS, el resumen allí está mismo clarificador. > > th informal de Creo! > en LACRALO debe utilizar esto > > la declaración y quisiera que podáramos para hacer uno > > votando en la lista, eso simplemente > >él expreso el consenso general de LACRALO. > > > > puesto que presidente I ha podido enganchar a un diálogo con > > mayoría de usted y me permito que diga que ésta > > texto de Cheryl, as Sylvia levante bien, > > él reflejo la mayoría de nuestras posiciones > > >>! > incluso Alexander Pisanty en su abstención de > > allí mostré a su intención que allí la no está ayer > > exactamente esto algo queborra tiempo a ESTADOS UNIDOS y > > esfuerzo. Somos no enumeramos a las objeciones substanciales este texto > > > > si se parece a ellas, perseguimos tenemos que consenso utilizar la declaración. ¡Usted dirá > > > > los saludos > > > > A! > > Plaza de los ndrés > > presidente de LACRALO > > > > > de: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > y! > gt; : ¡lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >! > fecha: Tu > e, el 16 de junio 2009 16:59:17 de -0300 > > > tema: [ laca-discutir-es ] el internaut del Brasil del declaración > > > > > > los compañeros queridos, > > > > > > en el teleconferencing que me confié ayer para enviar al declaración > > > explicando la abstención del internaut del Brasil... > >! > > > > > está aquí: ¡> > > > > >! > > &g > t; > > > > Sabemos que ICANN del ofthe de la existencia del ofthe que comienza unos usted tienen delgadamente dona y > > > continúa haciendo grandes inversiones para hacer para participar y lista a la voz > > > de los utilizadores del extremo del Internet > > > > > > también sabemos del maravilloso y el trabajo untiring que el presidente de > > > ALAC, Cheryl, usted come la fabricación > > > > >> nuestra abstención en la votación hecha en el teleconferencing, era > > > al miedo de la n! ¡> > onpossibility de participar en las reuniones de ICANN en el suyo! ¡! > > >> &g > t; región de la totalidad cuando estos arados hechos en nuestro. Sincewe vital considerado de > > > importancia del nonsingle que participa en la Asamblea General tiene gusto de > > > las fábricas que los arados ordenaron, as bien del as del foro público; siendo ésta el único > > >! > se funda la oportunidad de obrar recíprocamente con la tarjeta > > > > > > y ésta a temer: ¡> > > > >> 1) en la realidad al año 2008, cuando el LACRALO no podría hacer el suyo > > > Asamblea General a no ser específicamente solicitd a incluir > > > en el presupuesto de ese año > > > > > > 2) en la lectura de la paginación 7 del documento siguiente, > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draft-travel-support-guidelin… > > s-27may09-en.pdf > > > > > > 3) y por vago a comentario-contestadado por Kevin Wilson cuando él > > sentido > yo comentó respecto a nuestra preocupación en! > ¡> que los representantes > > > del solo wou de ALSs! > el ld tiene > ¡> la oportunidad de participar en! > > asambleas > > > general y no de la totalidad la reunión cuando estos arados hechos en> > > nuestra región. As que usted persigue ve en: > > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > releyendo el documento > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, vemos que estos arados de las puntas que son considerados razón por la que > > > el internaut del Brasil usted retira el abstentionto que el documento mostró ayer, 15 de > > > junio en el teleconferencing mensual del LACRALO. ¡Y utilizamos el documento > > > propuesto por el presidente de Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, refiriéndose > > > ayuda de los viajes para los miembrosvoluntarios de ALAC. > > > > > > >! > > > > > > inmediatamente, >! > ¡> > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > Internaut Del Brasil > >> > > > > > > > > >! ¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > &g > t;¡> > el >>_________________________________________________________________ > > estancia hasta usted fecha en su PC, el Web, y su teléfono móvil con Windows vivo > > >>_______________________________________________ de http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ > > lista laca-discutir- está enviando > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > laca-discutir- está enviando la lista > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mai! > lman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lis! > ts.icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > ___________! > ________ > ____________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - texto original (es) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html > --]] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > laca-discutir-en lista que envía > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list… > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - texto original (es) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/46ae234301.html > --]] > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > En en línea MSN de los juegos de los mejores de los los de Probá > http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [[--Original text (en) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/f563c7b326.html > --]] > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:29:59 -0700 > From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil > Internaut > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Cc: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org, Sylvia Leite > <sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org> > Message-ID: <200906171429.n5HETxKQ002083(a)mm2.icann.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com > > > English below. > > > > I take advantage of the opportunity to declare to me in this subject and it does not stop to support or to be against statement (since likerepresentative of the region in ALAC, it does not correspond to me), but to applaud the appearance of missing actors and that seems return by their fueros, although without contributing to solutions todavia. > > > > > I take this opportunity to speak, but not to stay in against orsupport the statement (because in my charge like LACRALO representative into ALAC, is not my function), but yes to applaud the arrival of old players, who seems to eats back, but still without solutions. > > > > > > > > > > Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba- Argentina - > * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 > to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar > http://ar.ageiadensi.org > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:31:49 -0700 > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > I agree with both Erick and Alexander on principle. But I part > company ace the facts dictate. Not only must we talk the talk but we > have to walk the walk. > > In addition to the Travel Policy advisory, there is to raft of current > policy advice developments in the AT-Large. The staff there arehelpfully > you please them in one pleases on to spreadsheet and included timelines for > action. For example and in my view, the IRT Draft Report shouldbe > significant. > > Not need to wait on the laggards. I you invite all of my colleagues who plows > ace weary of the s! > ideshow ace I a.m. to demonstrate to to their disgust in a > and makes specific way give U.S. your views on them. Take yourpick. > > Carlton Samuels > The University of the West Indies > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 AT 5:00 p.m., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> wrote: > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > Supporting all and each one the points raised by Alexander Pisanty > > Alfa-Redi abstains in this voting and from > successive votings that for they have to do with algun > document or reference to requests of bottoms trips. > > Kindly, > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > Alfa-Redi > http://www.alfa-redi.org > > > AT 04:30 p.m. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Andrés, > > with the to to greater clarity I have tried to insist - > since I energetically did it in the teleconferencing > of yesterday - in whichwe happen! > to substance subjects which they serve stops: > > 1, to! > begin t > o educate our community, that > to you date does not know the real subjects of > that takes care ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of yesterday explicitly); &g! > t; > 2, to let to to appear dwells like to to scrounger > interestedin boleto/ticket/billete stops > to attend the discussion that in whichwe dog > to contribute and learning of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that our pleases to the table you eat > of the recognition tothe contribution and not of > system of quotas, that always will be unstable in addition to I infuriate; > > 4. TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, To WHICH > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, ace to result of the previous thing. >> Ratifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico. > > Cuenta the you votes and emit! > > s the declaration that > these allows you; if you have tomajority, like > to under, and if no, to to under personal responsibility, > consensus and the shades of the same one! > that you detect. > > Warmgreeting to all. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Univers! > ity 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-51! > 05-6044, > +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn you promarry out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Andres Piazza wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:07:39 +0000 > > From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > To: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists! > > icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] declara! > tion B! > razil In > ternaut > > > > > &g! > t; Sylvi > a Thanks, I a.m. glad that that outside your > > to to answer. For Not only by your own position but > > the rest of the ALS, the summary there informal a.m. is very clarificador. > > Creo th! > AT LACRALO must support this > > statement and I would like that we pruned to do one > > voting in the list, that simply > > it expresses the general consensus of LACRALO. > > > > Since President I have been able to engage in a dialog with > > majority of you and I allow myselfto say that this > > text of Cheryl, ace Sylvia raises well, > > it reflects most of our positions. > > > > Even Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from > > there a.m. showed his intention that yesterday there a.m. is not > > exactly this something that clears Time to U.S. and > > effort. Substantial Is did not list to objections this text. >> > > If it seems to them, we dog have to consensus to support ! > statement. You will say. > > > > Greetings > > > > A! > > ndrés Piazza > > President of LACRALO > > > > > From: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > & > gt; To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >! > Date: Your > e, 16 Jun 2009 16:59:17 -0300 > > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > > > > Dear companions, > > > > > > In the teleconferencing I yesterday committed myself to send to declaration > > > explaining the abstention from Brazil Internaut... > > > > > > is Here: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sabemos that ICANN from the beginning ofthe existence ofthe Thin ones you have donates and > > > continues making great investments to make participate and list to the voice > > > of the End users of Internet >> > > > > Also we know of the wonderful! > and untiring work that the president of > > > ALAC, ! > Cheryl, > you eat making. > > > > > > Our abstention in the voting made in the Teleconferencing, was > > > the to to fear of the n! > > onpossibility of participating in the Meetings of ICANN in his! > > >> &g > t; totality region when these plows made in our. Vital Sincewe considered of > > > importance of participating nonsingle in the General Assembly like of > > > factories that plows organized, acewell ace of the Public Forum; being this the only one > > > opportunity to interact with the Board. > > > > > > and this to to fear is founded: > > > > > > 1) in the reality of to to year 2008, when the LACRALO could not make his > > > General Assembly not to be specifically solicitd to be including > > > in the budget of that year. > > > > > > 2) In the reading of page 7 of the following document, > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/t! > ravel-support/draft-travel-support-guideline> > > s-27may09-en.pdf > > > > > > 3) and by vague to to commentary-answer given by Kevin Wilson when him > > sense > I commented on our preoccupation in the! > that the representatives > > > of the single ALSs wou! > ld have > the opportunity to participate in the! > > General Assemblies > > > and not of the totality the meeting when these plows made in > > > our region. Ace you dog see in: > > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > Rereading the document > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these points plows being considered reason why > > > Brazil Internaut you retires the abstentionto the document showed yesterday, 15 of! > > > > June in the monthly teleconferencing of the LA! > CRALO. A > nd we supported the document> > > proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, referringto > > > support of trips for the voluntary members of ALAC. > > > > >> > > > > > > immediately, >! > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > Brazil Internaut > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > &g > t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > Stay up to you dates on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone withLive Windows > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ >>_______________________________________________ > > list lac-discuss-is mailing > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list…! > ann.org> > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lily! > ts.icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > ___________! > ________ > ____________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text(it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html > --]]> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-in mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/4ãe234301.html > --]] > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Probá the best games online in MSN > http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [[--Original text (es) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/38f7a2e84d.html > --]] > > > > ------------ próxima parte ------------ > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > Fin de Resumen de lac-discuss-es, Vol 10, Envío 21 > ************************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Volvé famosa a tu mascota con MSN http://events.latam.msn.com/tumascota

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Re: internaut del Brasil del declaraci�n
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com June 17, 2009

June 17, 2009

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Inglés abajo. El asunto y del este del en del manifestarme de párrafos del oportunidad del la de Aprovecho ningún en estar apoyar de párrafos ocontra del statement (que como representante de la region en ALAC, ningún yo corresponde), parece del ya del que de los desaparecidos y de la aparicion de actores del aplaudir de párrafos del sino vuelven los fueros del sus del por, todavia aportar de los soluciones del pecado del aunque. Tomo esta oportunidad de hablar, pero de no permanecer adentro contra o de no utilizar la declaración (porque en mi carga como representante de LACRALO en ALAC, no está mi función), pero de no aplaudir sí la llegada de viejos jugadores, que se parece volverse, pero aún sin soluciones. Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Córdoba - La Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > fecha: Tue, El 16 De Junio 2009 17:31:49 De -0700 > de: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > a: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CENTÍMETRO CÚBICO: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org;sylvia@internautabrasil.org > tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración [ laca-discutir-lac-discuss-en ] > > > [ [ - - texto traducido (es - >)--]] del en > > > tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración > de: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > convengo con Erick y Alexander en principio. Pero pieza > as de la compañía el dictado de los hechos. Debemos nosotros hablar no solamente la charla pero nosotros > tienen que recorrer la caminata. > > además de la política del recorrido consultiva, hay a la balsa de la corriente > progresos del consejo de la política en el En-Grande. El personal allí arehelpfully > usted que en uno satisfacen por favor encendido a la hoja debalance y a los timelines incluidos para > acción. Por ejemplo y en mi opinión, el shouldbe del pr! oyecto de informe de IRT > significativo. > > no necesidad de esperar en los rezagados. I invita a todos mis colegas que are > as cansado del as I mañana del sideshow a demostrar a su repugnancia en a > y elasticidad específica ESTADOS UNIDOS de la manera de lasmarcas sus opiniones sobre ellos. Yourpick de la toma. > > Carlton Samuels > la universidad de Indias del oeste > > > en Tue, 16 de junio de 2009 EN 5:00 P.M., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> escribió: > > [ [ - - texto traducido (está - > en)--]] > > > el tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración > de: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > utilizando todos y cada los temas planteados por Alexander Pisanty > > Alfa-Redi abstiene en esto que vota y de > los votings sucesivos que tienen que hacer con el algun > el documento o la referencia a las peticiones de los fondos para los viajes > > amablemente, > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > Alfa-Redi > http://www.alfa-redi.org &! gt; > > EN 04:30 P.M.. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty esc! ribió: & gt; Andrés, > > con a mayor claridad que he intentado insistir - > puesto que enérgio la hice en el teleconferencing > de ayer - en cuál sucedemos a los temas de la sustancia que él sirve a paradas: > > 1, comenzar a educar a nuestra comunidad, de quien > a las fechas no sabe los temas verdaderos > que las tomas cuidan ICANN (algo que lamentably > reiteró el día de ayerexplícitamente); ¡&g! > t; > 2, dejaron para aparecer las detenciones tienen gusto al scrounger > interesado en boleto/ticket/billete para > atender a la discusión que en perro del whichwe > contribuir y aprender de la discusión; > > 3, asegurar que nuestro le satisface al vector comen >de la contribución del tothe del reconocimiento y no de > sistema de los contingentes, que será siempre inestable además de mí se enfurecen; > > 4. PARA SERVIR A NUESTRAS COMUNIDADES, a QUIENES > DECIMOS REPRESENTAR, as para resultar de la cosa anterior. > ¡> Rat! ifico la abstención de ISOC México > > Cuenta usted vota y emite!> > s el declaración que > éstos no le prohiben; si usted tiene tomajority, como > debajo, y si no, a la responsabilidad personal inferior, > consenso y las cortinas de el mismo que usted detectó > >Warmgreeting a todos > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ¡> Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Univers Av.! > 3000 ity, 04510 México DF México > > Tels. ¡+52-(1)-55-51! > 05-6044, > +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * mi blog de blog/My: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn usted promarry hacia fuera: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->>Unete a ISOC México, http://www.isoc.org > Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . > > > en Tue, el 16 de juni! o 2009 de Plaza de Andres escribió:> > > fecha: Tue, ! El 16 De Junio 2009 20:07:39 De +0000 > > De: Plaza de Andres <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > a: ¡sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, laca-discutir-es@atlarge-listas! > > icann.org > > tema: Re: ¡[ laca-discutir-es ] el declaración B! > razil en > ternaut > > > > > >gracias de Sylvia, I mañana alegre que ese exterior su > > a la respuesta. ¡Para no solamente por su propia posición pero > > el resto del ALS, el resumen allí está mismo clarificador. > > th informal de Creo! > en LACRALO debe utilizar esto > > la declaración y quisiera que podáramos para hacer uno > > votando en la lista, eso simplemente > >él expreso el consenso general de LACRALO. > > > > puesto que presidente I ha podido enganchar a un diálogo con > > mayoría de usted y me permito que diga que ésta > > texto de Cheryl, as Sylvia levante bien, > > él reflejo la mayoría de nuestras posiciones > > >>! incluso Alexander Pisanty en su abstención de > > allí mostré a su intención que allí la no está ayer > > exactamente esto algo queborra tiempo a ESTADOS UNIDOS y > > esfuerzo. Somos no enumeramos a las objeciones substanciales este texto > > > > si se parece a ellas, perseguimos tenemos que consenso utilizar la declaración. ¡Usted dirá > > > > los saludos > > > > A! > > Plaza de los ndrés > > presidente de LACRALO > > > > > de: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > y! > gt; : ¡lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >! > fecha: Tu > e, el 16 de junio 2009 16:59:17 de -0300 > > > tema: [ laca-discutir-es ] el internaut del Brasil del declaración > > > > > > los compañeros queridos, > > > > > > en el teleconferencing que me confié ayer para enviar al declaración > > > explicando la abstención del internaut del Brasil... > >! > > > > está aquí: ¡> > > > > >! > &g t; > > > > Sabemos que ICANN del ofthe de la existencia del ofthe que comienza unos usted tienen delgadamente dona y > > > continúa haciendo grandes inversiones para hacer para participar y lista a la voz > > > de los utilizadores del extremo del Internet > > > > > > también sabemos del maravilloso y el trabajo untiring que el presidente de > > > ALAC, Cheryl, usted come la fabricación > > > > >> nuestra abstención en la votación hecha en el teleconferencing, era > > > al miedo de la n! ¡> > onpossibility de participar en las reuniones de ICANN en el suyo! ¡! > > >> &g > t; región de la totalidad cuando estos arados hechos en nuestro. Sincewe vital considerado de > > > importancia del nonsingle que participa en la Asamblea General tiene gusto de > > > las fábricas que los arados ordenaron, as bien del as del foro público; siendo ésta el único > > >! se funda la oportunidad de obrar recíprocamente con la tarjeta > > > > > > y ésta a temer: ¡> > > > >> 1) en la realidad al año 2008, cuando el LACRALO no podría hacer el suyo > > > Asamblea General a no ser específicamente solicitd a incluir > > > en el presupuesto de ese año > > > > > > 2) en la lectura de la paginación 7 del documento siguiente, > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draft-travel-support-guidelin… > > s-27may09-en.pdf > > > > > > 3) y por vago a comentario-contestadado por Kevin Wilson cuando él > > sentido > yo comentó respecto a nuestra preocupación en! ¡> que los representantes > > > del solo wou de ALSs! > el ld tiene ¡> la oportunidad de participar en! > > asambleas > > > general y no de la totalidad la reunión cuando estos arados hechos en> > > nuestra región. As que usted persigue ve en: > > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > releyendo el documento > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, vemos que estos arados de las puntas que son considerados razón por la que > > > el internaut del Brasil usted retira el abstentionto que el documento mostró ayer, 15 de > > > junio en el teleconferencing mensual del LACRALO. ¡Y utilizamos el documento > > > propuesto por el presidente de Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, refiriéndose > > > ayuda de los viajes para los miembrosvoluntarios de ALAC. > > > > > > >! > > > > > inmediatamente, >! ¡> > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > Internaut Del Brasil > >> > > > > > > > > >! ¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > &g > t;¡> > el >>_________________________________________________________________ > > estancia hasta usted fecha en su PC, el Web, y su teléfono móvil con Windows vivo > > >>_______________________________________________ de http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ > > lista laca-discutir- está enviando > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > laca-discutir- está enviando la lista > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mai! lman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lis! > ts.icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > ___________! > ________ > ____________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - texto original (es) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html > --]] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > laca-discutir-en lista que envía > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list… > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - texto original (es) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/46ae234301.html > --]] > > > _________________________________________________________________ En en línea MSN de los juegos de los mejores de los los de Probá http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/f563c7b326.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil Internaut
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com June 17, 2009

June 17, 2009

[[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut From: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com English below. I take advantage of the opportunity to declare to me in this subject and it does not stop to support or to be against statement (since likerepresentative of the region in ALAC, it does not correspond to me), but to applaud the appearance of missing actors and that seems return by their fueros, although without contributing to solutions todavia. I take this opportunity to speak, but not to stay in against orsupport the statement (because in my charge like LACRALO representative into ALAC, is not my function), but yes to applaud the arrival of old players, who seems to eats back, but still without solutions. Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba- Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123/423-5423 to www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:31:49 -0700 > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-in ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > I agree with both Erick and Alexander on principle. But I part > company ace the facts dictate. Not only must we talk the talk but we > have to walk the walk. > > In addition to the Travel Policy advisory, there is to raft of current > policy advice developments in the AT-Large. The staff there arehelpfully > you please them in one pleases on to spreadsheet and included timelines for > action. For example and in my view, the IRT Draft Report shouldbe > significant. > > Not need to wait on the laggards. I you invite all of my colleagues who plows > ace weary of the s! ideshow ace I a.m. to demonstrate to to their disgust in a > and makes specific way give U.S. your views on them. Take yourpick. > > Carlton Samuels > The University of the West Indies > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 AT 5:00 p.m., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> wrote: > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > Supporting all and each one the points raised by Alexander Pisanty > > Alfa-Redi abstains in this voting and from > successive votings that for they have to do with algun > document or reference to requests of bottoms trips. > > Kindly, > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > Alfa-Redi > http://www.alfa-redi.org > > > AT 04:30 p.m. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Andrés, > > with the to to greater clarity I have tried to insist - > since I energetically did it in the teleconferencing > of yesterday - in whichwe happen! to substance subjects which they serve stops: > > 1, to! begin t o educate our community, that > to you date does not know the real subjects of > that takes care ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of yesterday explicitly); &g! > t; > 2, to let to to appear dwells like to to scrounger > interestedin boleto/ticket/billete stops > to attend the discussion that in whichwe dog > to contribute and learning of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that our pleases to the table you eat > of the recognition tothe contribution and not of > system of quotas, that always will be unstable in addition to I infuriate; > > 4. TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, To WHICH > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, ace to result of the previous thing. >> Ratifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico. > > Cuenta the you votes and emit! > > s the declaration that > these allows you; if you have tomajority, like > to under, and if no, to to under personal responsibility, > consensus and the shades of the same one! that you detect. > > Warmgreeting to all. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Univers! > ity 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-51! > 05-6044, > +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn you promarry out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... . . . > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Andres Piazza wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:07:39 +0000 > > From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > To: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists! > > icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] declara! tion B! > razil In > ternaut > > > > > &g! t; Sylvi a Thanks, I a.m. glad that that outside your > > to to answer. For Not only by your own position but > > the rest of the ALS, the summary there informal a.m. is very clarificador. > > Creo th! > AT LACRALO must support this > > statement and I would like that we pruned to do one > > voting in the list, that simply > > it expresses the general consensus of LACRALO. > > > > Since President I have been able to engage in a dialog with > > majority of you and I allow myselfto say that this > > text of Cheryl, ace Sylvia raises well, > > it reflects most of our positions. > > > > Even Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from > > there a.m. showed his intention that yesterday there a.m. is not > > exactly this something that clears Time to U.S. and > > effort. Substantial Is did not list to objections this text. >> > > If it seems to them, we dog have to consensus to support ! statement. You will say. > > > > Greetings > > > > A! > > ndrés Piazza > > President of LACRALO > > > > > From: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > & > gt; To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > >! > Date: Your > e, 16 Jun 2009 16:59:17 -0300 > > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > > > > Dear companions, > > > > > > In the teleconferencing I yesterday committed myself to send to declaration > > > explaining the abstention from Brazil Internaut... > > > > > > is Here: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sabemos that ICANN from the beginning ofthe existence ofthe Thin ones you have donates and > > > continues making great investments to make participate and list to the voice > > > of the End users of Internet >> > > > > Also we know of the wonderful! and untiring work that the president of > > > ALAC, ! Cheryl, you eat making. > > > > > > Our abstention in the voting made in the Teleconferencing, was > > > the to to fear of the n! > > onpossibility of participating in the Meetings of ICANN in his! > > >> &g > t; totality region when these plows made in our. Vital Sincewe considered of > > > importance of participating nonsingle in the General Assembly like of > > > factories that plows organized, acewell ace of the Public Forum; being this the only one > > > opportunity to interact with the Board. > > > > > > and this to to fear is founded: > > > > > > 1) in the reality of to to year 2008, when the LACRALO could not make his > > > General Assembly not to be specifically solicitd to be including > > > in the budget of that year. > > > > > > 2) In the reading of page 7 of the following document, > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/t! ravel-support/draft-travel-support-guideline> > > s-27may09-en.pdf > > > > > > 3) and by vague to to commentary-answer given by Kevin Wilson when him > > sense > I commented on our preoccupation in the! > that the representatives > > > of the single ALSs wou! > ld have > the opportunity to participate in the! > > General Assemblies > > > and not of the totality the meeting when these plows made in > > > our region. Ace you dog see in: > > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > Rereading the document > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these points plows being considered reason why > > > Brazil Internaut you retires the abstentionto the document showed yesterday, 15 of! > > > June in the monthly teleconferencing of the LA! CRALO. A nd we supported the document> > > proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, referringto > > > support of trips for the voluntary members of ALAC. > > > > >> > > > > > > immediately, >! > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > Brazil Internaut > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > &g > t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > Stay up to you dates on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone withLive Windows > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ >>_______________________________________________ > > list lac-discuss-is mailing > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list…! ann.org> > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lily! > ts.icann.org > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > ___________! > ________ > ____________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text(it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html > --]]> > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-in mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/4ãe234301.html > --]] > > > _________________________________________________________________ Probá the best games online in MSN http://juegos.ar.msn.com/ _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (es) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/38f7a2e84d.html --]] _______________________________________________ lac-discuss-en mailing list lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list…

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil Internaut
by carlos aguirre June 17, 2009

June 17, 2009

English below. Aprovecho la oportunidad para manifestarme en este asunto y no para apoyar o estar en contra del statement (ya que como representante de la region en ALAC, no me corresponde), sino para aplaudir la aparicion de actores desaparecidos y que parece vuelven por sus fueros, aunque sin aportar soluciones todavia. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I take this opportunity to speak, but not to stay in against or support the statement (because in my charge like LACRALO representative into ALAC, is not my function), but yes to applaud the arrival of old players, who seems to come back, but still without solutions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Carlos Dionisio Aguirreabogado - Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 Cordoba - Argentina - *54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 www.derechoytecnologia.com.ar http://ar.ageiadensi.org > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:31:49 -0700 > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > To: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm > > I agree with both Erick and Alexander on principle. But I part > company ace the facts dictate. Not only must we talk the talk but we > have to walk the walk. > > In addition to the Travel Policy advisory, there is to raft of current > policy advice developments in the AT-Large. The staff there arehelpfully > you please them in one pleases on to spreadsheet and included timelines for > action. For example and in my view, the IRT Draft Report shouldbe > significant. > > Not need to wait on the laggards. I invites all of my colleagues who plows > ace weary of the sideshow ace I a.m. to demonstrate to their disgust in a > and makes specific way give U.S. your views on them. Take yourpick. > > Carlton Samuels > The University of the West Indies > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 AT 5:00 p.m., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> wrote: > > [ [ - - Translated text (is - > in)--]] > > > Subject: Re: declaration Brazil Internaut > From: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > Supporting all and each one the points raised by Alexander Pisanty > > Alfa-Redi abstains in this voting and from > successive votings that they have to do with algun > document or reference to requests of bottoms for trips. > > Kindly, > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > Alfa-Redi > http://www.alfa-redi.org > > > AT 04:30 p.m. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty wrote: > Andrés, > > with the to greater clarity I have tried to insist - > since I energetically did it in the teleconferencing > of yesterday - in which we happen to substance subjects which they serve stops: > >1, to begin to educate our community, that > to dates does not know the real subjects of > that takes care ICANN (something that lamentably > reiterated the day of yesterday explicitly); &g! > t; > 2, to let to appear dwells like to scrounger > interested in boleto/ticket/billete stops > to attend the discussion that in whichwe dog > to contribute and learning of the discussion; > > 3, to assure that our pleases to the table you eat > of the recognition tothe contribution and not of > system of quotas, that always will be unstable in addition to I infuriate; > > 4. TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITIES, To WHICH > WE SAY TO REPRESENT, ace to result of the previous thing.> > Ratifico the abstention from ISOC Mexico. > > Cuenta the you vote and emit! > > s the declaration that > these allows you; if you have tomajority, like > under, and if no, to under personal responsibility, > consensus and the shades of the same one that you detect. > > Warmgreeting to all. > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Univers! > ity 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-51! > 05-6044, > +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * My blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * LinkedIn you promarry out: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete to group UNAM in LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->> Unete to ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa in ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . > > > On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Andres Piazza wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:07:39 +0000 > > From: Andres Piazza <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > To: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists! > > .icann.org > > Subject: Re: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration B! > razil In > ternaut > > > > > > Sylvia Thanks, I a.m. glad that that outside your > > to answer. For Not only by your own position but > > the rest of the ALS, the summary there am is very clarificador. > > Creo informal th! > at LACRALO must support this > > statement and I would like that we pruned to do one > > voting in the list, that simply > > it expresses the general consensus of LACRALO. > > > > Since President I have been able to engage in a dialog with > > majority of you and I allow myself to say that this > > text of Cheryl, ace Sylvia raises well, > > it reflects most of our positions. > > > > Even Alexander Pisanty in its abstention from > >there am showed his intention that yesterday there am is not > > exactly this something that clears Time to U.S. and > > effort. Is did not list to substantial objections this text. > > > > If it seems to them, we dog have to consensus to support statement. You will say. > > > > Greetings > > > > A! > > ndrés Piazza > > President of LACRALO > > > > > From: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > &! > gt; To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > ! > Date: Tu > e, 16 Jun 2009 16:59:17 -0300 > > > Subject: [ lac-discuss-is ] declaration Brazil Internaut > > > > > > Dear companions, > > > > > > In the teleconferencing I yesterday committed myself to send to declaration >> > explaining the abstention from Brazil Internaut... > > > > > > is Here: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sabemos that ICANN from the beginning ofthe existence ofthe Thin ones you have donates and > > > continues making great investments to make participate and list to the voice > >> of the End users of Internet > > > > > > Also we know of the wonderful and untiring work that the president of > > > ALAC, Cheryl, you eat making. > > > > > > Our abstention in the voting made in the Teleconferencing, was > > > the to fear of the n! > > onpossibility of participating in the Meetings of ICANN in his! ! > > >>&g > t; totality region when these plows made in our. Vital Sincewe considered of > > > importance of participating nonsingle in the General Assembly like of > > > factories that plows organized, ace well ace of the Public Forum; being this the only one > > > opportunity to interact with the Board. > > > > > > and this to fear is founded: > > > > > > 1) in the reality of to year 2008, when the LACRALO could not make his > > > General Assembly not to be specifically solicitd to be including > > > in the budget of that year. > > > > > > 2) In the reading of page 7 of the following document, > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draft-travel-support-guidelin… > > s-27may09-en.pdf > > > > > > 3) and by vague to commentary-answer given by Kevin Wilson when him > > sense > I commented on our preoccupation in the ! > that the representatives > > > of the single ALSs wou! > ld have > the opportunity to participate in the! > > Assemblies > > > General and not of the totality the meeting when these plows made in > > > our region. Ace you dog see in:> > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > Rereading the document > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, we see that these points plows being considered reason why > > > Brazil Internaut you retire the abstentionto the document showed yesterday, 15 of > > > June in the monthly teleconferencing of the LACRALO. And we supported the document > > > proposed by the president of Alac, Cheryl Langdon-Orr, referring to > > > support of trips for the voluntary members of ALAC. > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately, >! > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > Brazil Internaut > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > &g > t; > > >>_________________________________________________________________ > > Stay up to you date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Live Windows > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ >>_______________________________________________ > > list lac-discuss-is mailing > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-is mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-lis! > ts.icann.org> > http://www.lacralo.org > > > ___________! > ________ > ____________________________ > > > > > [ [ - - Original text (it is) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html > --]] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-in mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list… > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > [[--Original text (es) > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/46ae234301.html > --]] > > > _________________________________________________________________ Probá los mejores juegos online en MSN http://juegos.ar.msn.com/

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Comentarios En-Grandes De la Comunidad Solicitados: Proyecto de comunicado sobre procedimientos del recorrido de FY 2010
by staff＠atlarge.icann.org June 17, 2009

June 17, 2009

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Tema: Comentarios En-Grandes De la Comunidad Solicitados: Proyecto de comunicado sobre procedimientos del recorrido de FY 2010 De: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org En-At-Large Querido Community: Nos han pedido fijar un proyecto de comunicado del ALAC para los comentarios de la comunidad En-Grande. La declaración es una respuesta al bosquejo Procedimiento del recorrido para FY2010. Los comentarios se solicitan en o antes de 21ro Junio de de 2009. Los comentarios proporcionados considerado en buena hora de permitir ALAC al voto para endosar una declaración final. Usted puede tener acceso al proyecto de comunicado, y deja sus comentarios, aquí: https://st.icann.org/alac-docs/index.cgi?statement_on_the_draft_travel_proc… El procedimiento del recorrido del bosquejo está disponible en: http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-03jun09-en.htm. Usted se invitan para hacer comentarios personalmente, o a nombre desu ALS, como receptor de papel como participando en la consulta sobre una declaración de ALAC. El horario completo de las actividades En-Grandes del desarrollo del consejo de la política puede encuéntrese en http://www.atlarge.icann.org/policycalendar. -- Respeto, Ashton-Ciervo De la Mella, Heidi Ullrich, Matthias Langenegger, Gisella Gruber-Blanco, Marie-Helene Bouchoms Personal En-Grande de ICANN email: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/758d86ef02.html --]]

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Re: internaut del Brasil del declaraci�n
by apisan＠servidor.unam.mx June 17, 2009

June 17, 2009

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración De: apisan(a)servidor.unam.mx Carlton, lanzamiento - dispara. Buena de Cualquiera es. Empecemos del que del impulso. Alejandro Pisanty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . El Dr. Alejandro Pisanty UNAM, Universidad Av. 3000, 04510 México Df México Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 * Blog de la milla blog/My: http://pisanty.blogspot.com * Perfil de LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty * En LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 del grupo UNAM del al de Unete ---->> Unete un ISOC México, http://www.isoc.org En ICANN, http://www.icann.org de Participa . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . En Tue, el 16 de junio 2009 Carlton de Samuels escribió: > fecha: Tue, El 16 De Junio 2009 19:30:43 De -0500 > de: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)uwimona.edu.jm> > a: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > centímetro cúbico: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org,sylvia@internautabrasil.org > tema: Re: [ laca-discutir-lac-discuss-es ] [ laca-discutir-lac-discuss-en ] internaut del Brasil del declaración > > convengo con Erick y Alejandro en principio. Pero pieza > compañía como el dictado de los hechos. Debemos nosotros hablar no solamente la charla pero nosotros > tienen que recorrer la caminata. > > además de la política del recorrido consultiva, hay una balsa de la corriente > progresos del consejo de la política en el En-Grande. El personal tiene provechoso > los colocó en un lugar en una hoja de balance e incluyó los timelines para > acción. Por ejemplo y en mi opinión, el proyecto de informe de IRT debe estar > significativo. > > ninguna necesidad de esperar en los rezagados. Invito a todos mis colegas que sean > tan ca! nsado del sideshow como debo demostrar su repugnancia en a > la manera concreta y nos da sus opiniones sobre ellas. Tome su selección. > > Carlton Samuels > la universidad de Indias del oeste > > > en Tue, 16 de junio de 2009 en 5:00 P.M., <eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org> escribió: > > > > [ [ - - texto traducido (es - >)--]] del en > > > > > > tema: Re: internaut del Brasil del declaración > > de: eiriarte(a)alfa-redi.org > > > > utilizando todos y cada los temas planteados por AlexanderPisanty > > > > Alfa-Redi abstiene en esto que vota y de > > votings sucesivos que tienen que hacer con el algun > > documento o referencia a las peticiones de los fondos paralos viajes. > > > > amablemente, > > > > Erick Iriarte Ahon > > Alfa-Redi > > http://www.alfa-redi.org > > > > > > EN 04:30 P.M.. 16/06/2009, Alexander Pisanty escribió: > Andrés, > > con la mayor claridad que he intentado insistir - > puesto que enérg! io la hice en el teleconferencing > de ayer - en cuál suced! emos a l os temas de la sustancia que él sirve a paradas: >> 1, comenzar a educar a nuestra comunidad, de quien > hasta la fecha no sabe los temas verdaderos > que las tomas cuidan ICANN (algo que lamentably > reiteró el día de ayer explícitamente); > > 2, dejaronpara aparecer más como scrounger > interesado en boleto/ticket/billete para > atender a la discusión que en cuál nosotros lata > contribuir y el aprender de la discusión; > > 3, asegurar que nuestro lugar al vector viene > del reconocimiento a la contribución y no de > sistema de los contingentes, que serán siempre inestables además de mí se enfurecen; > > 4. ¡cPara SERVIR ANUESTRAS COMUNIDADES, a QUIENES > DECIMOS REPRESENTAR, como resultado de la cosa anterior > > Ratifico la abstención de ISOC México > > Cuenta los votos y emitirlas! > > > > s el declaración que > éstos no le prohiben; si usted tiene una mayoría, como > así pues, y si no, bajo resp! onsabilidad personal, > consenso y las cortinas de el mismo que usted detectó > >saludo caliente a todos > > Alexander Pisanty > > >. . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr Alexander Pisanty > UNAM, Universidad Av. 3000, 04510 México Df México > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > * mi blog de blog/My: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > * procases de LinkedIn hacia fuera: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > * Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/Â106C0C8614 > >---->>Unete a ISOC México, http://www.isoc.org > Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > en Tue, el 16 de junio 2009 de Plaza de Andres escribió: > > > fecha: Tue, El 16 De Junio 2009 20:07:39 De +0000 > >De: Plaza de Andres <andrespiazzagpj(a)hotmail.com> > > a: ¡sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org, laca-dis! cutir-es@atlarge-listas! > > > > icann.org > > tem! a: Re: ¡ [ laca-discutir-es ] el declaración B! > > razil adentro > > ternaut > > > > > > las gracias de Sylvia, estoy alegre que ese exterior su > > respuesta. No solamente por su propia posición pero > > para el resto del ALS, el resumen él está mismo clarificador. > > Creo que LACRALO debe utilizar esto > > declaracióny quisiera que podáramos para hacer uno > > votación informal en la lista, de la cual simplemente > > expresa el consenso general LACRALO.> > > > puesto que presidente I ha podido enganchar a un diálogo con > > mayoría de usted y me permito que diga que esto > > texto de Cheryl, como Sylvia levanto bien, > > él reflejo la mayoría de nuestras posiciones > > > > incluso Alexander Pisanty en su abstención de > > él mostró a su intención que él no está ayer >> exactamente esto algo que borra tiempo a nosotros y > > esfuerzo. Noescuché las objeciones sub! stanciales este texto > > > > si se parece a ellas, nosotros puedo tener un consenso para utilizar la declaración. ¡Usted dirá > > > > los saludos > > > > A! > > > > Plaza de los ndrés > > presidente de LACRALO > > > >> de: sylvia(a)internautabrasil.org > > > a: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > fecha: Tue, El 16 De Junio 2009 16:59:17 De -0300 > > > Tema: [ laca-discutir-es ] el internaut del Brasil del declaración > > > > > > los compañeros queridos, > > > > > > en el teleconferencing que me confié ayer para enviar un declaración > > > explicando la abstención del internaut del Brasil... > > > > > > está aquí: ¡> > > > > > > > > > > > Sabemos que ICANN del principio del ofthe de la existencia los finos ha hecho y > > > continúa haciendo grandes inversiones para hacer p! ara participar y escuchar la voz > > > de los utiliza! dores de l extremo del Internet > > > > > > también sabemos del trabajo maravilloso y untiring que viene el presidente de > > > ALAC, Cheryl, haciendo > > > > > > nuestra abstención en la votación hecha en el teleconferencing, era > > > el miedo de la n! > > ¡> > onpossibility de participar en las reuniones de ICANN en el suyo! > > >> &g > > t; totalidad cuando éstos se hacen en nuestra región. Puesto que considerábamos de > > > importancia vital del nonsingle que participaba en la Asamblea General como de > > > las fábricas quese ordenan, así como del foro público; siendo ésta el único > > > se funda la oportunidad de obrar recíprocamente con la tarjeta > > > > > > y este miedo: ¡> > > > > > 1) en la realidad del año 2008, cuando el LACRALO no podría hacer el suyo > > > Asamblea General a noser específicamente solicitd a incluir > > > en el presupuesto de eseaño > > > > > > 2) en la lectura de la paginación 7 del documento siguiente, > > > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/travel-support/draft-travel-support-guidelin… > > s-27may09-en.pdf > > > > > > 3) y por vago comentario-cont! esta dado por Kevin Wilson cuando él > > > yo comentó respecto a nuestra preocupación en el sentido que los representantes > > > del solo ALSstendrían la oportunidad de participar en! > > > > asambleas > > > general y no de la totalidad la reunión cuando éstos se hacen en > > > nuestra región. Como usted puede ver en: > > > https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?draft_fy10_operating_plan_and_budget_11_ > > > june_2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > releyendo el documento > > >http://www.atlarge.icann.org/files/atlarge/alac-travel-policy-for-volunteers> > > - 24mar09-en.pdf, vemos que estas puntas se están considerando razón por la que > > > el internaut del Brasil retira la abstención al documento mostrado ayer, 15 de > > > junio en el teleconferencing mensual del LACRALO. ¡Y utilizamos el documento > > > propuesto por elpresidente de Alac, Cher! yl Langdon-Orr, refiriéndose > > > ayuda de los viaje! s para l os miembros voluntarios de ALAC. > > > > > > > > > > > > inmediatamente, > > > > > > Sylvia Herlein Leite > > > > > > internaut del Brasil > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > ¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >! > > > &g > > t; > > el >>_________________________________________________________________ > > estancia hasta fechas en su PC, el Web, y su teléfono móvilcon Windows vivo > > >>_______________________________________________de http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ > > lista laca-discutir- está enviando > > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > > http://www.lacralo.org > >_______________________________________________ > laca-discutir- está enviando la lista > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > &gt! ; > > > > > > [ [ - - texto original (es) > > http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/3d30dc0570.html > > --]] > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lista que envía laca-discutir-lac-discuss-en > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en_atlarge-list… > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lista que envía laca-discutir-lac-discuss-es > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es_atlarge-list… > > http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (en) http://mm2.icann.org/transbot_archive/e94a7e723a.html --]]

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