July 2015 - lac-discuss-es

Re: [lac-discuss-es] Solicitud
by michforde＠gmail.com July 30, 2015

July 30, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Solicitud De: michforde(a)gmail.com Estoy de acuerdo con Jacqueline --- muchas contribuciones de Carlton pueden ser descritos como "intensa", y su vocabulario y uso de Inglés son a veces por encima de las normas cotidianas de uso común - pero nunca he visto nada de él que razonablemente podría ser descrito como "ofensiva". En el contrario siempre es escrupulosamente educado y casi formal, incluso cuando diametralmente en desacuerdo con un punto de vista particular. Atentamente Miguel El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 9:44 de la tarde, Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > wrote: > Carlton? Seems to me that there are others who are way more "intense" in > their language than Carlton. At least it seems so in English. Maybe the > translation fails as he does often write at a very high level of English. > Can you send the text that was offensive? We can all look at it and see if > the original was offensive in intent or word, vs the translation. > Jacqueline > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:10 PM, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> >> Subject: Request >> From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com >> >> Formally ask the authorities of the LACRALO is prompted Mr. >> Carlton Samuels to moderate their language when addressing the members >> of the community. >> >> >> - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> JosÃ© Ovidio Salgueiro A. >> salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com >> >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/33fd2e3168.html --]]

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Re: Aplicaci�n
by chris.lahatte＠icann.org July 30, 2015

July 30, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Aplicación De: chris.lahatte(a)icann.org Me doy cuenta de que hay diferencias entre los miembros de LACRALO y te puse necesita recordar sobre las reglas de combate en sus discusiones. Yo necesito aconsejarle que se me ha pedido que investigue formalmente, y que lo haré lo hacen para ver si hay problemas de equidad y procedimientos que deben ser examinado y si es necesario, cambiado o ajustado. Voy a llegar a aquellos que tienen problemas específicos, sino también la bienvenida a contacto directo, que puede ser confidencial si es necesario, Saludos Chris LaHatte Defensor del Pueblo Blog https://omblog.icann.org/ Http://www.icann.org/en/help/ombudsman página web Confidencialidad Todos los asuntos presentados ante el Defensor del Pueblo serán tratados de forma confidencial. El Defensor del Pueblo también adoptará todas las medidas razonables necesarias para preservar la la privacidad de, y para evitar daños a, esas partes no involucradas en la queja siendo investigado por el Defensor del Pueblo Ombudsman.The solamente hará preguntas sobre, o personal consejos o miembros de la Junta de la existencia y identidad, un demandante con el fin de avanzar en la resolución de la queja. El Defensor del Pueblo adoptará todas las medidas razonables necesarias para asegurar que si los miembros del personal y de la Junta son conscientes de la existencia y identidad del denunciante, que se compromete a mantener la confidencialidad de dicha información, salvo que sea necesario para promover la resolución de un queja -----Mensaje original----- Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre del asoto(a)ibero-americano.org Enviado el: Jueves, 30 de julio 2015 15:02 Para: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Aplicación [[--Translated Texto (es -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: Aplicación Desde: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org Estimado José, tenemos estándares éticos para intervenir. Atentamente Alberto Soto Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] En el nombre de José Ovidio Salgueiro Enviado el: Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 19:09 Para: LACRALO Español <lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: [lac-discuss-es] Solicitud Se pide formalmente a las autoridades de la LACRALO se le solicite el Sr. Carlton Samuels al dirigirse a los miembros de la comunidad a moderar su lenguaje. - JosOvidio Salgueiro A. salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com <mailto:salgueiro.jo@gmail.com> --- Software antivirus Avast exploró este correo electrónico en busca de virus. http://www.avast.com [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/019e426af8.html --]]

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Solicitud
by José Ovidio Salgueiro July 30, 2015

July 30, 2015

Pido formalmente a las autoridades del LACRALO se le solicite al Sr. Carlton Samuels a moderar su lenguaje a la hora de dirigirse a los miembros de la comunidad. -- José Ovidio Salgueiro A. salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Solicitud
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 30, 2015

July 30, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Solicitud De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Carlton? Me parece que hay otros que son mucho más "intenso" en su lenguaje de Carlton. Por lo menos parece que lo que en Inglés. Tal vez el traducción falla como lo hace escribir a menudo a un nivel muy alto de Inglés. ¿Puedes enviar el texto que era ofensivo? Todos podemos mirar y ver si el original era ofensiva en la intención o la palabra, vs la traducción. Jacqueline Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 6:10 de la tarde, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Request > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > > Formally ask the authorities of the LACRALO is prompted Mr. > Carlton Samuels to moderate their language when addressing the members > of the community. > > > - > > > > > > > > > JosÃ© Ovidio Salgueiro A. > salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/848779fba9.html --]]

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Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votaci�n sobre Moci�n Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moci�n Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ANUNCIO VOTO: LACRALO Votación sobre Moción Propuesta de Alejandro Pisanty / Voto de LACRALO Sobre la moción Propuesta por Alejandro Pisanty De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Con respecto Dev, al comentar sobre el movimiento ahora sería lo peor que hacer. La convocatoria de la votación es lo que la ley juzgaría como "ultra vires". Ese es decir la Secretaría ofende las reglas para llevar este movimiento a la voto, ya que está más allá de su autoridad legal. Si no se detiene el voto, estamos bien aconsejaron a ignorarlo. y el movimiento sigue siendo un desconocido hasta que se expone a debate. Otros remedios también están abiertos a los agraviados. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 5:56 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee(a)gmail.com> escribió: > I'm continue to be very disappointed at Alberto Soto and Humberto Carassco > in the performance of their duties as chair and secretariat. > > As per Rule 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall > be discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently > in advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the > working languages of the Assembly. > > THIS WAS NOT DONE. > > Can be motion be put on the wiki for comment? I'll comment on the motion > there, since there is an amendment I'll suggest. > > Kind Regards, > > Dev Anand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 PM, ICANN At-Large Staff < > staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> wrote: > >> == EN == >> >> Dear All, >> >> Do you support Mr. Alejandro Pisantyâs motion? Formal Motion from >> Alejandro Pisanty: >> >> a. LACRALOâs Chair and Secretariat shall do an Agenda with policy issues >> for discussion. >> b. The first 30 minutes of each monthly call shall be focused on debate >> of current ICANN public consultations. >> >> * Yes >> * No >> * Abstain >> >> == ES == >> >> Hola a todos, >> >> Â¿Usted apoya la mociÃ³n de Alejandro Pisanty? >> >> a. que la Presidencia y la SecretarÃa hagan una agenda de temas de >> polÃticas para su discusiÃ³n >> b. que los primeros 30' de cada sesiÃ³n mensual se dediquen a temas >> sustantivos de debate de polÃticas en curso en consultas pÃºblicas de ICANN >> >> *Si >> *No >> *AbstenciÃ³n >> >> Regards, >> >> Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber, Nathalie >> Peregrine and Terri Agnew >> ICANN Policy Staff in support of ALAC >> E-mail: staff(a)atlarge.icann.org >> Facebook: www.facebook.com/icann <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >> atlarge <https://www.facebook.com/icannatlarge> >> Twitter: @ <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge>ICANNAtLarge >> <https://twitter.com/ICANNAtLarge> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/82ad456ce5.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Solicitud
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Solicitud De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com José Ovidio: Supongo que está llamando para la protección de mi uso de Inglés por el Defensor del Pueblo de la ICANN, sí? Ahora, entiendo que el chico es de Nueva Zelanda, pero creo que tiene instalaciones con el Idioma Inglés. Yo soy el experto en el uso de Inglés donde importa ahora, aquí mismo. Así que yo le puedo ayudar adecuadamente según sea necesario, nos harías un favor y señalar específicamente EN INGLÉS la construcción lenguaje que utilicé ofende a su alteza? Con amabilidad, -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= 07.29.2015 17:09 GMT-05: 00 José Ovidio Salgueiro <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> : > Pido formalmente a las autoridades del LACRALO se le solicite al Sr. > Carlton Samuels a moderar su lenguaje a la hora de dirigirse a los miembros > de la comunidad. > > -- > > > > > JosÃ© Ovidio Salgueiro A. > salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b3dc01bf3f.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ????
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ???? De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com No, eso no importa. Nota lugar la terminología ahora introducido; un '* percibida conflicto de intereses*'. Sé que las palabras comadreja cuando los veo, en Inglés o Español. Así que ahora, uno se queda preguntar quién era el agente de esta percepción? Cómo fue ¿se desarrollo? ¿Y qué medidas se utilizaron para calificar la percepción? Y teniendo en cuenta los hechos tal como los conocemos ahora, ¿qué medidas se emplearon para desengañar a la 'percepción'? -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 2:57 de la tarde, Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > wrote: > Hi > I think there's some confusion. We have had a couple of consensus polls, > in 2008 it was an objection to a single nomination, as it is here. > In the other cases, it was because the teleconference was not quorate, and > the list is a quorum, so the consensus poll was done to ensure that the > decision was quorate. These cases are different on the face, and so should > not serve as precedent for this case. > The only precedent to be considered should be the 2008 one. > Sincerely > Jacqueline Morris > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> wrote: > >> >> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] >> >> Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? >> From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org >> >> >> Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel >> Voting: >> >> >> Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics >> applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who >> voted no, others abstained and others voted yes. >> >> >> The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC >> Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent. >> >> >> Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need >> make choice for that position. >> >> >> We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision >> Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent >> the case >> Natalia Enciso. >> >> >> ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot. >> >> >> This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which >> no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result: >> >> >> Before the results of the current survey on whether or not >> Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 >> LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara >> determine the results. >> >> >> Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the >> survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process >> of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero >> reiniciarcon a new call for applications. >> >> >> Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO >> ALAC member for 2015-2017. >> >> >> Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus >> we have made a choice according explained, taking three background >> Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the >> meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was >> incomplete. >> >> >> In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the >> Voting next steps. >> >> >> In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why >> It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot. >> >> >> It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not >> expressly estn >> regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos >> in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation >> expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting >> prior to the community. >> >> >> This is rational only solution we have found to solve this >> such drawbacks. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> best regards >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Alberto Soto >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> Avast antivirus software has analyzed this e-mail for viruses. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c181ca6f90.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Roosevelt: Asuntos de ICANN lleva con Inglés, pero se ha recorrido un largo camino para incluir otros idiomas en sus operaciones. Algunos de nosotros luchó largo y duro para ese. Con respecto a las RALO, cada uno opera por reglas que desarrolla. Así que a partir de su creación, nos pusimos de acuerdo LACRALO sería multilingüe. Yo era un papel decisivo en esa decisión porque en principio, creo que uno debe tener el derecho a comunicar y defender el interés de uno en el idioma se habla mejor. Mis principios no mutan para mayor comodidad. Así por ejemplo, me animé que no hablan inglés a presentarse para el liderazgo en las mismas condiciones que los angloparlantes. Y en los primeros días nos en realidad los representantes electos que no hablan Inglés en el momento. Mirando hacia atrás, tal vez nos equivocamos con las operaciones multilingües campeón. Comparando LACRALO a los demás, utilice AFRALO Inglés y Francés, y APRALO EURALO, simplemente Inglés.Ellos no parecen tener los problemas que hacemos. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 2:34 de la tarde, BANGO <admin(a)bango.org.bb> escribió: > My! My! The official language of ICANN is English. Is it different in the > regions? Of course if you deem the official language to be Spanish in > LACRALO, Long live the Emperor. > > ROK > > -----Original Message----- > From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto > Carrasco > Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:30 > To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' > Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 > > Dear Roosvelt, > > Why do you think the official language is English in LACRALO? > > Regards > > El 29/07/2015 a las 08:27 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: > > "In no case" means "under any circumstances", even if you say there are > exceptions, the exceptions would be one case/circumstance... the rule says, > "in no case". I am not sure what is so difficult about that to understand > or is it a case of unwillingness to understand? The English version does > not confirm your interpretation and hence there is no way that the Spanish > version could. Using language as a Red Herring? Is not the official > language English? The Spanish translators need to get it right? You > questioning the translation? That does not make you right??? > > > > ROK > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Humberto Carrasco [mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:49 > > To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' > > Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 > > > > I disagree. > > > > Furthermore, if you read the Spanish version, the wording confirms our > interpretation. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > El 29/07/2015 a las 07:23 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: > >> Bartlett is correct. > >> > >> ROK > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > >> Bartlett Morgan > >> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:31 > >> To: Humberto Carrasco > >> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 > >> > >> Hi Humberto, > >> The controlling phrase in the rule is "in no case less than two weeks". > >> Therefore even in the case of exceptions, that requirement would have > to be complied with. > >> > >> I don't think your interpretation is faithful to the plain literal > meaning of the rule. > >> > >> $.02 > >> > >> -- > >> Bartlett Morgan > >> > >> Sent from my Cyanogen phone > >> > >> On Jul 29, 2015 9:33 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> Dear Dev, > >>> > >>> There is no misunderstanding. > >>> > >>> The rule says "As a general rule", in spanish "Como regla General". > This wording means, that there could be some exceptions. We used this > exception. > >>> > >>> I explained the reasons before. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> > >>> El 29/07/2015 a las 02:06 p.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: > >>>> I'll repost Rule 11.2 since there seems to be a misunderstanding. > >>>> > >>>> 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be > discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in > advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the > working languages of the Assembly. > >>>> > >>>> 11.2 Como regla general. sÃ³lo se tratarÃ¡n y se someterÃ¡n a votaciÃ³n > las resoluciones o enmiendas que se hayan distribuido con al menos dos > semanas de anticipaciÃ³n, a todos los participantes de la Asamblea, en todos > los idiomas con los que Ã©sta trabaje. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Dev Anand > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >>>> > >>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >>>> > >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> lac-discuss-en mailing list > >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > >> > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b62db86bea.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Regla 11.2
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Regla 11.2 De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Um, bueno, aquí vamos de nuevo. La ignorancia de LACRALO institucional arreglos ya está pasado problemático. Una vez más, insto a los dirigentes a tomar y estudiar los instrumentos. Usted no están haciendo a ti mismo orgullosa en estos episodios. Y peor aún, hay una cierta arrogancia toparse con la ignorancia. El lenguaje se define en los Principios de funcionamiento, una lectura obligada para el Secretaría. Aquí está la sección correspondiente, en Inglés: Principios de funcionamiento: * "El LacRALO será multilingüe desde su inicio. Todos los documentos * * Serán escritos y todos los debates se llevarán a cabo en Inglés y Español. Ello* * Se planea añadir el portugués y el francés en un futuro próximo y hasta * * Reevaluar periódicamente la necesidad de añadir otros idiomas utilizados en la región. "* Esa es una definición de funcionario como podamos. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Miércoles, 29 de julio 2015 a las 2:43 de la tarde, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Well, > > I am not saying that Spanish is the official language. I say that we have > no official language in LACRALO because our Operative principles and RoP > say nothing about that. > > Regards > > El 29/07/2015 a las 08:34 p.m., BANGO escribiÃ³: > >> My! My! The official language of ICANN is English. Is it different in the >> regions? Of course if you deem the official language to be Spanish in >> LACRALO, Long live the Emperor. >> >> ROK >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: >> lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Humberto >> Carrasco >> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 15:30 >> To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' >> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >> >> Dear Roosvelt, >> >> Why do you think the official language is English in LACRALO? >> >> Regards >> >> El 29/07/2015 a las 08:27 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: >> >>> "In no case" means "under any circumstances", even if you say there are >>> exceptions, the exceptions would be one case/circumstance... the rule says, >>> "in no case". I am not sure what is so difficult about that to understand >>> or is it a case of unwillingness to understand? The English version does >>> not confirm your interpretation and hence there is no way that the Spanish >>> version could. Using language as a Red Herring? Is not the official >>> language English? The Spanish translators need to get it right? You >>> questioning the translation? That does not make you right??? >>> >>> ROK >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Humberto Carrasco [mailto:hcarrascob@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 14:49 >>> To: rok(a)bango.org.bb; 'Bartlett Morgan' >>> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >>> >>> I disagree. >>> >>> Furthermore, if you read the Spanish version, the wording confirms our >>> interpretation. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> El 29/07/2015 a las 07:23 p.m., Roosevelt King escribiÃ³: >>> >>>> Bartlett is correct. >>>> >>>> ROK >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> [mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Bartlett Morgan >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 29 July 2015 10:31 >>>> To: Humberto Carrasco >>>> Cc: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Rule 11.2 >>>> >>>> Hi Humberto, >>>> The controlling phrase in the rule is "in no case less than two weeks". >>>> Therefore even in the case of exceptions, that requirement would have >>>> to be complied with. >>>> >>>> I don't think your interpretation is faithful to the plain literal >>>> meaning of the rule. >>>> >>>> $.02 >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bartlett Morgan >>>> >>>> Sent from my Cyanogen phone >>>> >>>> On Jul 29, 2015 9:33 AM, Humberto Carrasco <hcarrascob(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Dev, >>>>> >>>>> There is no misunderstanding. >>>>> >>>>> The rule says "As a general rule", in spanish "Como regla General". >>>>> This wording means, that there could be some exceptions. We used this >>>>> exception. >>>>> >>>>> I explained the reasons before. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> El 29/07/2015 a las 02:06 p.m., Dev Anand Teelucksingh escribiÃ³: >>>>> >>>>>> I'll repost Rule 11.2 since there seems to be a misunderstanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be >>>>>> discussed or put to the vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in >>>>>> advance, but in no case less than two weeks, to all participants in the >>>>>> working languages of the Assembly. >>>>>> >>>>>> 11.2 Como regla general. sÃ³lo se tratarÃ¡n y se someterÃ¡n a votaciÃ³n >>>>>> las resoluciones o enmiendas que se hayan distribuido con al menos dos >>>>>> semanas de anticipaciÃ³n, a todos los participantes de la Asamblea, en todos >>>>>> los idiomas con los que Ã©sta trabaje. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dev Anand >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>>>> >>>>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> >> > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3a455b0343.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ????
by crg＠isoc-cr.org July 29, 2015

July 29, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member = ???? De: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Gracias Jacqueline, en beneficio de las generaciones futuras, deja para tener toda la historia bien documentada contra de las reglas y los acuerdos existentes en el momento de cada elección. Sería un ejercicio más útil en la discusión acerca de nuevas reglas si es necesario. Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez _____________________ correo electrónico: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Skype: carlos.raulg +506 8837 7173 (cel) +506 4000 2000 (casa) +506 2290 3678 (fax) _____________________ Apartado 1571-1000 San José, COSTA RICA > On Jul 29, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> wrote: > > Hi > I think there's some confusion. We have had a couple of consensus polls, in 2008 it was an objection to a single nomination, as it is here. > In the other cases, it was because the teleconference was not quorate, and the list is a quorum, so the consensus poll was done to ensure that the decision was quorate. These cases are different on the face, and so should not serve as precedent for this case. > The only precedent to be considered should be the 2008 one. > Sincerely > Jacqueline Morris > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 6:20 PM, <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org>> wrote: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: = iso-8859-1 Proceso_elecci q = F3n_ALAC_Member =???? > From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org <mailto:asoto@ibero-americano.org> > > Dear, this is part of the mail where porqudel process explicel > Voting: > > > Now I want to remind you that last year we were Humberto and I, mechanics > applicants. We should do votaciny accept the result. There were those who > voted no, others abstained and others voted yes. > > > The other case was particularly Natalia Enciso, unique candidate for ALAC > Member. And it was the case that we take as a precedent. > > > Mentioning the case of Sylvia Leite Herlen is not correct, we need > make choice for that position. > > > We pre-meeting with the staff and then taken the decision > Lance was advised that the ballot will be made, taking as a precedent the case > Natalia Enciso. > > > ARE ongoing process and finalizarcon the ballot. > > > This is the mail sent before the end of the votaciny on which > no prior knowledge recibiningn comment is the result: > > > Before the results of the current survey on whether or not > Lance Hinds should be confirmed as the ALAC Representative 2015-2017 > LACRALO would like us to establish the methodology to be utilizarpara > determine the results. > > > Whether a majority (over 50%) of the respondents to the > survey, not counting abstentions indicated NO, then the process > of selection of the seat currently occupied by Ftima ALAC Cambronero > reiniciarcon a new call for applications. > > > Otherwise, the appointment of Lance Hinds is confirmed as LACRALO > ALAC member for 2015-2017. > > > Remember that each RALO ALAC should choose its Member; thus > we have made a choice according explained, taking three background > Similar and applications for several members that were conducted in the > meeting in Buenos Aires, who felt that the process was > incomplete. > > > In the interest of transparency, we reported before the result of the > Voting next steps. > > > In this regard we believe that it has complied with the report and why > It corresponds to open a new period of postulacin, presentaciny ballot. > > > It is worth remembering that there are many situations that do not expressly estn > regulated as quisiramos. We must adopt a position basndonos > in the rules and precedents that have. When there is a situation > expressly regulated, we must choose one of the alternatives, reporting > prior to the community. > > > This is rational only solution we have found to solve this > such drawbacks. > > > > > > > best regards > > > > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > > > > --- > Avast antivirus software has analyzed this e-mail for viruses. > http://www.avast.com <http://www.avast.com/> > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1a333e9d44.html --]]

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