Edmon I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with you on this. If, for example, I was trying to get a bunch of Irish web developers or software engineeers to code better and support ALL tlds then they're not going to be motivated by IDNs. Telling them that their bad code choices is blocking English speaking users from using their new (Latin script) domains might be a motivator. I also don't think the IDN banner helps rally people. It would help rally *some* people, but I'm not convinced that they're the ones who need the most rallying. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: Edmon Chung [mailto:edmon@registry.asia] Sent: 17 February 2015 01:13 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; 'Mark Svancarek'; 'Nelson, Nick'; 'Christian Dawson'; 'Ram Mohan SMTP' Cc: UA-discuss@icann.org Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG? I agree with you Michele that this is not an issue limited to IDNs, however, I still believe that if we solve the IDN issue, we will solve the ASCII new TLD issue. So as a "moral high ground" if you will, for ICANN with this as a community-wide project, I think it is better to have IDN be the "primary" focus so that it gets the support from the whole community. If we had a primary focus on ASCII TLDs, I worry we will lose the support we need from many parts of the community. That is not to say we only focus on IDN. But the IDN banner I believe helps us rally this as a global effort for the Internet. Edmon From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:03 AM To: Mark Svancarek; Nelson, Nick; Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP Cc: UA-discuss@icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG? Mark That's good, but that's assuming that Universal Acceptance is limited to IDNs, whereas in reality the issue is much wider. At present a lot of online services and software do not recognise new TLDs - be they ASCII or IDN. So while incorporating that language is excellent, I'd hate to see IDNs as being the primary focus Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 ________________________________ From: Mark Svancarek [marksv@microsoft.com] Sent: 16 February 2015 21:43 To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Nelson, Nick; Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP Cc: UA-discuss@icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: RE: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG? Yes, I also agree with Michele and Nick. As a starter: "International character sets, whether in Unicode or Punycode, are inconsistently managed by existing software products and existing online services. These inconsistencies arise both from non-support of the RFCs or from support for outdated versions of these RFCs. Software and service providers have historically had little market or regulatory incentive to invest in solutions which would bring true interoperability to platforms or applications. Democratization of computing and greater availability of Internationalized Domain Names are likely to upset this status quo. A coordinated industry effort is required to ensure a timely and practical resolution to this pending change." From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon - Blacknight Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 9:43 AM To: Nelson, Nick; Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP Cc: UA-discuss@icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG? I'd agree with Nick Defining the problem should be key Everything else comes after that Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://www.blacknight.press - get our latest news & media coverage http://www.technology.ie Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Social: http://mneylon.social ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Nelson, Nick Sent: 16 February 2015 17:39 To: Christian Dawson; Ram Mohan SMTP Cc: UA-discuss@icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG? I'm coming in a bit late but that gives me good perspective and I think the total list from Ram is accurate. However, I'd argue that both Christian is right with defining structure and charger, but also first - we should define the Problem space. The problem space to me is ultimately why we're all here right. "What are we trying to solve for?" and even more so, "How is this group going to benefit the ultimate end-user?" ________________________________ From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org> [ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] on behalf of Christian Dawson [dawson@i2coalition.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 9:22 AM To: Ram Mohan SMTP Cc: UA-discuss@icann.org<mailto:UA-discuss@icann.org> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] What are the main things to do in UASG? Ram, I think this is a good list with one proposed change. I am 3-4 pages into a draft charter for people to look at, which proposes a structure. I'd say we need an agreed-on structure before we pick leaders to fill defined roles, so I suggest flipping 1 and 2. I probably can't get far enough along to put my draft charter up for review until tomorrow - chairing a small anti-SPAM working group on SPAM in the Cloud at M3AAWG today. (If anybody else from this group is at M3AAWG come find me and we can chat/complain about timezones together.) -Christian On Feb 14, 2015, at 11:21 AM, Ram Mohan <rmohan@afilias.info<mailto:rmohan@afilias.info>> wrote: Team, Trying to get an inventory of the main tasks in front of the UASG, in chronological order: 1. Group leadership 2. Group structure and charter 3. Definition of problem space 4. Prioritization of problem space 5. Definition of approach to problem spaces 6. Delegation of work 7. Execution of work 8. Follow-through Appreciate input. -Ram ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ram Mohan Executive Vice President & CTO Afilias |Ireland|Canada|USA|India o: +1.215.706.5700 x103; m: +1.215.431.0958; f: +1.215.706.5701 Skype: gliderpilot30