Edmon,
it is hardly an issue statistically
I am certainly in agreement in not living in a fact-free world. So, I am collecting data on such sites. I am in the process of setting up a server to monitor 24 x 7 with a homographic domain finder product that we have written. I can tell you from my initial testing that there are a surprising number. Currently, they appear to be for domains which are known world-wide. More as it happens... Thanks, Nalini Elkins CEO and Founder Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/21/17, Edmon Chung <edmon@registry.asia> wrote: Subject: [UA-discuss] IDN Implementation Guidelines [RE: Re : And now about phishing...] To: "'Vittorio Bertola'" <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com>, ua-discuss@icann.org, "'Asmus Freytag'" <asmusf@ix.netcom.com> Date: Friday, April 21, 2017, 3:15 AM Starting a separate thread to focus on the IDN Implementation Guidelines Discussion. For the Draft IDN Guidelines you pointed to, please do submit your comments into the still open public comments period (recently extended):https://www.icann.org/public-comments/idn-guidelines-2017-03-03-en To the specific issue of wholescript confusables, there is a further explanation in point 17 why the current recommendation is a "may" rather than a "must"... But if we feel strongly it should move to a must, please do submit your comments in. As for our work at UASG, I feel that it is probably a good idea to collect the counter arguments. I recall there was a phishing/security report a couple years ago that highlighted the issue and indicated that while this (used to be "paypal" example), is possible it is hardly an issue statistically. Does anyone have that report/link? Edmon From: ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces@icann.org] On Behalf Of Vittorio Bertola Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 17:04 PM To: ua-discuss@icann.org; Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Re : And now about phishing... Il 21 aprile 2017 alle 0.52 Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com> ha scritto: If you think about it, the following recommendation at the end is anathema to "Universal acceptance":"Zheng is encouraging Firefox users to limit their exposure to the bug by going to the browser’s about:config settings and setting network.IDN_show_punycode to true. By doing this Firefox will always display IDN domains in its Punycode form, something that should make it easier to identify malicious domains, the researcher claims."If you do that, you implicitly assume that only the "non-IDN" links are "real", in other words, you assume an English-only environment. (When stuff is displayed as punicode, you usually can't tell what domain it is, except you can guess for some European ones with very few special characters, but you can't be sure unless the Unicode form is at least also displayed, which I think is not what that config change means).Hello,excuse me if I jump into a discussion having just joined the list, but this issue is really troubling me for at least two reasons.First, many news sources are now filling up with calls and guides for disabling IDNs in browsers altogether, which is a death call for universal acceptance. It all started with this horrible post by Wordfence's CEO, basically equating IDNs to an instrument conceived for phishing:https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/04/chrome-firefox-unicode-phishing/It would be really good if anyone knew him and could have a chat with him, maybe even convince him to help spreading a better view of the issue.Secondly, browser makers are now reacting in opposite ways:1) Microsoft's browser (AFAIK) will enable or disable the display of Unicode in the URL bar depending on the operating system's language;2) Google's browser, with a newly released patch, will not display Unicode IDNs in ASCII TLDs if the IDNs are whole-script confusables ( https://codereview.chromium.org/2683793010 );3) Mozilla's browser will explicitly always display Unicode IDNs regardless of whether this may be used for phishing ( https://wiki.mozilla.org/IDN_Display_Algorithm_FAQ and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1332714 ). However, multiple online sources are now advising people to use a Firefox configuration option that allows to disable the display of IDNs altogether.(Don't know about Apple, Opera and others.)As you see, this is going to hamper the usability of IDNs in URLs and, even worse, make it entirely unpredictable, depending on the user's browser choice.The only real solution to this is that all registries treat whole script confusables as variants, so that they cannot be registered to anyone different than the owner of the equivalent ASCII domain. Unicode TR-39 allows to do this programmatically. However, I just checked the proposed draft IDN guidelines that are currently undergoing public consultation at ICANN:https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-idn-guidelines-03mar17-en.... point 16, they say that the registry "may" do this, but that should really be a "must". If this does not happen, there will be more of these situations and the risk that all the Western world will then disable IDNs in URLs for good is quite significant. I think that this group could do several useful things:a) promote a better public understanding of the issue, countering the trend that "IDN URLs are for phishing";b) encourage browser makers to elaborate a common approach;c) push for ICANN and the registries to free the Internet from whole-script confusables.Regards,-- Vittorio Bertola Research & Innovation Engineer Cell:+39 348 7015022Skype:in-skype-ox@bertola.euEmail:vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com Twitter: @openexchange - Facebook: OpenXchange - Web: www.open-xchange.comOpen-Xchange AG, Rollnerstr. 14, 90408 Nuremberg, District Court Nuremberg HRB 24738 Managing Board: Rafael Laguna de la Vera, Carsten Dirks, Uwe Reumuth Chairman of the Board: Richard Seibt European Office: Open-Xchange GmbH, Olper Huette 5f, D-57462 Olpe, Germany, District Court Siegen, HRB 8718 Managing Directors: Frank Hoberg, Martin Kauss US Office: Open-Xchange. 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