Matt Johnson wrote:

My understanding is that this decision was cancelled shortly thereafter?

Apparently the issue has come up again. As I understand it, officially, Turkey is supposed to revert from +03 to +02 on October 28. Practically, they'll do whatever Erdoğan tells them to do (which is what they did the last time this issue came up), and my guess at this point is that Erdoğan will want to stay on +03 though I could very well be wrong as the situation is (as usual) murky. There's more on the story here: 2018 Kış Saati ne zaman hangi tarihte başlıyor? Saatler geri alınacak mı? 2018-09-20 22:36 +03. http://www.haber7.com/guncel/haber/2715726-2018-kis-saati-ne-zaman-hangi-tar... This has a little screen shot of the same PDF that we point to. Although Google Translate handles Turkish badly, the gist seems to be, "Hey! what's going on here? Are we gonna turn back our watches or what?"

Adil, Both of those pages pre-date the discussion from 2017-11-08 which Matt pointed out (https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2017-November/025518.html) that indicates the 2018-10-28 was later cancelled. The timeanddate link even alludes to the cancellation in an update at the top of their article. Are they any official publications more recent than 2017-11 reaffirming or refuting what will happen to Turkish clocks on 2018-10-28? -- Tim Parenti On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 04:49, Adil Ilhan <info@adililhan.com> wrote:

Hi Paul, According to official sources Turkey will be set back 1 hour on October 28, 2018. This is English page (non-official): https://www.timeanddate.com/news/time/turkey-new-dst-2018.html This is the Turkish official page (official): http://www.resmigazete.gov.tr/eskiler/2017/10/20171028-5.pdf

My understanding is that the following things have happened, in order… *2016-03-27: *Turkey moved its clocks forward (to UTC+3) according to prior practice. *2016-09-07:* http://www.resmigazete.gov.tr/eskiler/2016/09/20160908-2.pdf (Law 2016/9154) indicates in Article 1 that this advanced time should continue year-round, and in Article 2 that falling back (to UTC+2), previously scheduled for 2016-10-30, was repealed. And, indeed, Turkey has stayed on UTC+3 since. *2017-10-23:* http://www.resmigazete.gov.tr/eskiler/2017/10/20171028-5.pdf (Law 2017/10921), which you point out is the most recent law, indicates as you state, in Article 1a, that the prior Law 2016/9154 is repealed resulting in a resumption of DST clock changes, and in Article 1b that this would start with clocks moving back by 1 hour (to UTC+2) roughly a year later, on 2018-10-28. We prepared and applied a patch for this news in https://github.com/eggert/tz/commit/25632eb33943fbb42220f1cc99c3f7cd070a986c *2017-11-08:* http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/son-dakika-yaz-saati-uygulamasi-surekli-hale-geld... appears to have indicated that Law 2017/10921 was blocked from taking effect. This may have been a poor translation on our part; we understood it to mean "DST [would] become 'continuous'" — that is, Turkey would stay on UTC+3 indefinitely — and discussed this at https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2017-November/025518.html as Matt Johnson pointed out. We updated our data to reflect that understanding in https://github.com/eggert/tz/commit/e15ef79a603a2fba89ad8f38090219b0580f31a9 If you can provide a better translation of the 2017-11-08 Hürriyet article which helps to indicate whether we were wrong in that assumption, then we very much would welcome that help in understanding what is going on. Otherwise, as it stands, our current understanding comes from our translation of that article, which has indicated that clocks in Turkey will not be changed on 2018-10-28. This is also why I ask whether there is any documentation (from government, courts, or national news outlets) that is more recent than 2017-11-08 which clarifies more definitively, as that would help confirm what you're saying to us. If not, we will unfortunately probably just have to wait and see what actually happens on the ground, or at least until we get closer to the date and further laws, statements, or news articles clarify what is actually supposed to happen. Unfortunately, the article Paul Eggert shared at http://www.haber7.com/guncel/haber/2715726-2018-kis-saati-ne-zaman-hangi-tar... does not seem to clarify matters. -- Tim Parenti On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 11:53, Adil Ilhan <info@adililhan.com> wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 18:10, Tim Parenti <tim@timtimeonline.com> wrote:

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Both of those pages pre-date the discussion from 2017-11-08 which Matt pointed out (https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/2017-November/025518.html) that indicates the 2018-10-28 was later cancelled. The timeanddate link even alludes to the cancellation in an update at the top of their article.

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Are they any official publications more recent than 2017-11 reaffirming or refuting what will happen to Turkish clocks on 2018-10-28?

I think, there is a translation error. Actually, it is the latest publication [ http://www.resmigazete.gov.tr/eskiler/2017/10/20171028-5.pdf ].

I marked 2 sentences: https://imgur.com/a/Iqo05eS

First one says: "As of October 28, 2018 04:00 AM, entire country will be set back 1 hour."

Second one says: "2016-9-7 dated and 2016/9154 law no. has been repealed by the council of ministers' decision"

-- Adil İlhan

On Sat, 22 Sep 2018 at 02:36, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu> wrote:

Yes, and I can point to another two or three recent news articles in Turkish that are equally confusing.

Y'all are right. That's really confusing. Therefore, I sent an online petition to the ministry of energy. I'm looking forward to hearing from them. -- Adil İlhan http://www.adililhan.com