I recommend we take this discussion off the tz list. This tz list is too critical for many people to become the whiteboard of our pending proposal. I believe Tobias is setting up an AU tz discussion group where we can prepare the proposal-patch to bring back for review by the tz list. Once the AU tz discussion list is set up, I would like to ask Tobias to invite interested parties to join that list. Once we have a proposal prepared, we will submit it back to this list. It will then be up to tz to decide whether to implement it or not. No need for further discussion. By doing this, we reduce the noise on the tz list itself. Even if the patch is not accepted by the tz maintainers in the long run, they can simply redirect any newcomers with similar issues off this list onto our list to keep this list more focused on other issues, and we can provide those interested with the patch we have proposed. Tobias, if you can setup the discussion, let us know, and I will provide a first pass at a recommended patch which I'll post on that list. I'll await your message.