Dear All, I've been thinking (and tinkering) about group chat. I'm suggesting that the At-Large Community use the free tier Slack version that we have at https://icannatlarge.slack.com/ Key reasons why: - Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources, tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities, it can be quite likely that - The challenge of a volunteer to deploy an open source solution for a large number of users using their resources without payment and support it to configure or fix things is too much and runs the risk of a volunteer unable to fulfil such a task after valiantly starting and the self hosted version goes down. - from an end user perspective, Slack works. It has the key features we want in group chat - threaded conversations, mobile apps, ability to create public channels, private rooms, and direct messages, search across channels. - the free tier offers 10 integrations - I've integrated Twitter, Skype, a translation tool, and an archive tool bot and was able to do this using the browser. Just like any other cloud service. here's a screenshot of the Slack channels https://www.dropbox.com/s/xgka1gpxnhpwv24/ttf-icann58-slack-channels.png The approach I've done is to create channels for interests and wgs that didn't neatly fit the interests - I've used the Key Policy issues of the At-Large Community https://www.dropbox.com/s/f1f81kugty0hulh/Policy-Issues-of-Interest-to-ICANN... (this screenshot was from the O&E Community Onboarding presentations https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Community+Onboarding) - Slack content can be exported on a regular basis as a backup and also for importing in any future group chat solution that could be deployed/supported by ICANN - I've also installed and configured this service which creates a public archive of the Slack room - http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/ so we can make our conversations public facing We can link to the conversations in a channel, for eg http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/technologytaskforce or http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/idn/page-1 to a specific message. And in theory, I think it means that the search limit can be overcome. Thoughts? The TTF session is Wednesday Dev Anand On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Chris Gift <chris.gift@icann.org> wrote:

Dev

Thanks for this. It’s great stuff. I would also look at visibility, archiving, and data access – all core to our transparency and accountability mandates.

Chris Gift

On 3/9/17, 6:45 AM, "ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

;-) which is what happens when I try to have too many drafts onscreen.

As I was saying, I do need feedback on what this group wants regarding group chat applications

Some of my thoughts

- we use Skype for At-Large chat However there are disadvantages of using Skype - chat history is not preserved - a lot of At-Large discussions over the years have already been lost as persons upgrade their machines - conversations on various topics happens in one group so as multiple persons chime in at different times, potential conversations/insights on a particular topic/issue are lost in the one stream. - no ability to search messages across all skype groups - one has to remember what skype group a potential message was in to find it

QUESTION : Any other disadvantages to note?

- there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, Rocket.chat, Mattermost

- all share common features - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups - mobile apps to get push notifications and to respond to messages via mobile more effectively - ability to search across all channels and rooms - can be administered by staff to create/archive/delete rooms/channels - staff/admins have more control to add/remove/invite persons - allows for extensions/integrations so that different services can be integrated (eg Twitter notifications to a channel, email to a channel)

QUESTION: Any other core features to note?

Based on these core features, Group chat offers significant benefits than Skype - potential for At-large community members to be added by Staff and added to channels of their interest - potential to reduce email overload - ability to find messages and conversations when they have time and new found interest to learn/participate more

QUESTION: Any other core benefits?

QUESTION - Are there any specific feature that makes a specific group chat stand out in terms of which one should be picked?

QUESTION - What do we want to recommend for ALAC/ICANN as next steps?

Looking forward to comments

Dev Anand

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Here's the slides for the TTF session at ICANN58 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_present... > (editing link, no Google login required) > > Still have work on Policy tracking and how At-Large should use group > chat applications > > Whilst I put together the policy tracking slides, I do need feedback > on what this group wants > regarding group chat applications > > Some of my thoughts > > - there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, > Rocket.chat, Mattermost > - all share common features > - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics > - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups > - > > > - Group chat applications have signf > > Re: Group chat applications, _______________________________________________ ttf mailing list ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ttf

Its me and Ariel who was the co-admin and the latter who is now super busy. Invite coming soon. On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Justine Chew <justine.chew@gmail.com> wrote:

What you say makes sense, Dev.

By the way, who does one contact to get an invite for an account to https://icannatlarge.slack.com/?

Regards,

Justine Chew -----

On Mar 14, 2017 12:54 AM, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

I've been thinking (and tinkering) about group chat.

I'm suggesting that the At-Large Community use the free tier Slack version that we have at https://icannatlarge.slack.com/

Key reasons why:

- Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources, tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities, it can be quite likely that - The challenge of a volunteer to deploy an open source solution for a large number of users using their resources without payment and support it to configure or fix things is too much and runs the risk of a volunteer unable to fulfil such a task after valiantly starting and the self hosted version goes down. - from an end user perspective, Slack works. It has the key features we want in group chat - threaded conversations, mobile apps, ability to create public channels, private rooms, and direct messages, search across channels. - the free tier offers 10 integrations - I've integrated Twitter, Skype, a translation tool, and an archive tool bot and was able to do this using the browser. Just like any other cloud service.

here's a screenshot of the Slack channels https://www.dropbox.com/s/xgka1gpxnhpwv24/ttf-icann58-slack-channels.png

The approach I've done is to create channels for interests and wgs that didn't neatly fit the interests - I've used the Key Policy issues of the At-Large Community https://www.dropbox.com/s/f1f81kugty0hulh/Policy-Issues-of-Interest-to-ICANN... (this screenshot was from the O&E Community Onboarding presentations https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Community+Onboarding)

- Slack content can be exported on a regular basis as a backup and also for importing in any future group chat solution that could be deployed/supported by ICANN - I've also installed and configured this service which creates a public archive of the Slack room - http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/ so we can make our conversations public facing We can link to the conversations in a channel, for eg http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/technologytaskforce or http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/idn/page-1 to a specific message. And in theory, I think it means that the search limit can be overcome.

Thoughts? The TTF session is Wednesday

Dev Anand

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Chris Gift <chris.gift@icann.org> wrote:

...

Dev

Thanks for this. It’s great stuff. I would also look at visibility, archiving, and data access – all core to our transparency and accountability mandates.

Chris Gift

On 3/9/17, 6:45 AM, "ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

;-) which is what happens when I try to have too many drafts onscreen.

As I was saying, I do need feedback on what this group wants regarding group chat applications

Some of my thoughts

- we use Skype for At-Large chat However there are disadvantages of using Skype - chat history is not preserved - a lot of At-Large discussions over the years have already been lost as persons upgrade their machines - conversations on various topics happens in one group so as multiple persons chime in at different times, potential conversations/insights on a particular topic/issue are lost in the one stream. - no ability to search messages across all skype groups - one has to remember what skype group a potential message was in to find it

QUESTION : Any other disadvantages to note?

- there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, Rocket.chat, Mattermost

- all share common features - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups - mobile apps to get push notifications and to respond to messages via mobile more effectively - ability to search across all channels and rooms - can be administered by staff to create/archive/delete rooms/channels - staff/admins have more control to add/remove/invite persons - allows for extensions/integrations so that different services can be integrated (eg Twitter notifications to a channel, email to a channel)

QUESTION: Any other core features to note?

Based on these core features, Group chat offers significant benefits than Skype - potential for At-large community members to be added by Staff and added to channels of their interest - potential to reduce email overload - ability to find messages and conversations when they have time and new found interest to learn/participate more

QUESTION: Any other core benefits?

QUESTION - Are there any specific feature that makes a specific group chat stand out in terms of which one should be picked?

QUESTION - What do we want to recommend for ALAC/ICANN as next steps?

Looking forward to comments

Dev Anand

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Here's the slides for the TTF session at ICANN58 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_present... > (editing link, no Google login required) > > Still have work on Policy tracking and how At-Large should use group > chat applications > > Whilst I put together the policy tracking slides, I do need feedback > on what this group wants > regarding group chat applications > > Some of my thoughts > > - there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, > Rocket.chat, Mattermost > - all share common features > - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics > - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups > - > > > - Group chat applications have signf > > Re: Group chat applications, _______________________________________________ ttf mailing list ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ttf

_______________________________________________ ttf mailing list ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ttf

Greetings Dev I fully share the pros and cons of employing an opensource application because of the potential risks involved. However the mattermost option seems basic and limited compared to slack. By the way, I would like to participate if possible in the slack group. A suggestion as a test could be the next test to broadcast the session on Wednesday via streaming periscope using the following tool https://restream.io In combination with the following broadcast tool (OBS https://obsproject.com ) I think it would be an alternative to increase participation and open more work sessions within ICANN to the community. If you need additional help for this experiment you can count on me. El 13 mar. 2017 4:02 PM, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <devtee@gmail.com> escribió:

Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources, tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities, it can be quite likely that conversations in Slack can be exported and imported into another group chat tool

My copy and paste missed the last part of the text ...

Dev Anand

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Dear All,

I've been thinking (and tinkering) about group chat.

I'm suggesting that the At-Large Community use the free tier Slack version that we have at https://icannatlarge.slack.com/

Key reasons why:

- Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources, tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities, it can be quite likely that - The challenge of a volunteer to deploy an open source solution for a large number of users using their resources without payment and support it to configure or fix things is too much and runs the risk of a volunteer unable to fulfil such a task after valiantly starting and the self hosted version goes down. - from an end user perspective, Slack works. It has the key features we want in group chat - threaded conversations, mobile apps, ability to create public channels, private rooms, and direct messages, search across channels. - the free tier offers 10 integrations - I've integrated Twitter, Skype, a translation tool, and an archive tool bot and was able to do this using the browser. Just like any other cloud service.

here's a screenshot of the Slack channels https://www.dropbox.com/s/xgka1gpxnhpwv24/ttf-icann58-slack-channels.png

The approach I've done is to create channels for interests and wgs that didn't neatly fit the interests - I've used the Key Policy issues of the At-Large Community https://www.dropbox.com/s/f1f81kugty0hulh/Policy-Issues- of-Interest-to-ICANN-At-Large.png (this screenshot was from the O&E Community Onboarding presentations https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+ Community+Onboarding)

- Slack content can be exported on a regular basis as a backup and also for importing in any future group chat solution that could be deployed/supported by ICANN - I've also installed and configured this service which creates a public archive of the Slack room - http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/ so we can make our conversations public facing We can link to the conversations in a channel, for eg http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/technologytaskforce or http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/idn/page-1 to a specific message. And in theory, I think it means that the search limit can be overcome.

Thoughts? The TTF session is Wednesday

Dev Anand

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Chris Gift <chris.gift@icann.org> wrote:

...

Dev

Thanks for this. It’s great stuff. I would also look at visibility, archiving, and data access – all core to our transparency and accountability mandates.

Chris Gift

On 3/9/17, 6:45 AM, "ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

;-) which is what happens when I try to have too many drafts onscreen.

As I was saying, I do need feedback on what this group wants regarding group chat applications

Some of my thoughts

- we use Skype for At-Large chat However there are disadvantages of using Skype - chat history is not preserved - a lot of At-Large discussions over the years have already been lost as persons upgrade their machines - conversations on various topics happens in one group so as multiple persons chime in at different times, potential conversations/insights on a particular topic/issue are lost in the one stream. - no ability to search messages across all skype groups - one has to remember what skype group a potential message was in to find it

QUESTION : Any other disadvantages to note?

- there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, Rocket.chat, Mattermost

- all share common features - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups - mobile apps to get push notifications and to respond to messages via mobile more effectively - ability to search across all channels and rooms - can be administered by staff to create/archive/delete rooms/channels - staff/admins have more control to add/remove/invite persons - allows for extensions/integrations so that different services can be integrated (eg Twitter notifications to a channel, email to a channel)

QUESTION: Any other core features to note?

Based on these core features, Group chat offers significant benefits than Skype - potential for At-large community members to be added by Staff and added to channels of their interest - potential to reduce email overload - ability to find messages and conversations when they have time and new found interest to learn/participate more

QUESTION: Any other core benefits?

QUESTION - Are there any specific feature that makes a specific group chat stand out in terms of which one should be picked?

QUESTION - What do we want to recommend for ALAC/ICANN as next steps?

Looking forward to comments

Dev Anand

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Here's the slides for the TTF session at ICANN58 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs. google.com_presentation_d_1uAxM-5Fi9hUBV2ZtqsGe3nKk8C0CDkJDDrt UfLV8XjOwE_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwICAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6 sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=zS0x8pK8z0FnanGSXbXvoRVfpJzE1X mo0ZZP9Gl3-rw&m=gFod0ez7zYcG_fvtwhex4-dIzXSyKaKPlrG2TPx7ij8&s= L3HxyXbLbVub6rdDAJkf8TTemqvxJRv8GSSluEytMYE&e= > (editing link, no Google login required) > > Still have work on Policy tracking and how At-Large should use group > chat applications > > Whilst I put together the policy tracking slides, I do need feedback > on what this group wants > regarding group chat applications > > Some of my thoughts > > - there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, > Rocket.chat, Mattermost > - all share common features > - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics > - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups > - > > > - Group chat applications have signf > > Re: Group chat applications, _______________________________________________ ttf mailing list ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ttf

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IN addition , Riot (matrix client ) can create private rooms and supports end to end encryption (manual enabling) . https://medium.com/@RiotChat/exciting-new-riot-release-get-ready-for-chattin... Anivar Aravind Executive Director Indic Project http://indicproject.org http://twitter.com/indicproject On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Anivar Aravind <anivar@indicproject.org> wrote:

Hi Dev

I understand th concerns are no hosting , easy for Public participation & chat history preservation

The option I like to suggest testing is matrix.org and its clients like Riot

Matrix is an open standard for decentralised communication, providing simple HTTP APIs and open source reference implementations for securely distributing and persisting JSON over an open federation of servers.

You can use Matrix for…

- Decentralised Group Chat - Fully distributed persistent chatrooms with no single points of control or failure

- WebRTC SignallingWeb -friendly signalling transport for interoperable VoIP and video calling

- Internet of Things - Exchanging and persisting data between devices and services

and anywhere else you need a common data fabric to link together fragmented silos of communication.

In our Organization , we use IRC public rooms in freenode , but primarily connected using Riot clients for web , Android and Ios.

http://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html

This opens up participation room in a big way, and bring convenience on top of IRC

any simple logging bot can log communication history. as in old days.

There is no server involved .

Anivar

https://anivar.net

https://twitter.com/anivar

Anivar Aravind Executive Director Indic Project http://indicproject.org http://twitter.com/indicproject

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:16 AM, Raitme Citterio <rcitterio@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Greetings Dev

I fully share the pros and cons of employing an opensource application because of the potential risks involved.

However the mattermost option seems basic and limited compared to slack.

By the way, I would like to participate if possible in the slack group.

A suggestion as a test could be the next test to broadcast the session on Wednesday via streaming periscope using the following tool

https://restream.io

In combination with the following broadcast tool (OBS https://obsproject.com)

I think it would be an alternative to increase participation and open more work sessions within ICANN to the community.

If you need additional help for this experiment you can count on me.

El 13 mar. 2017 4:02 PM, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <devtee@gmail.com> escribió:

...

Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources, tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities, it can be quite likely that conversations in Slack can be exported and imported into another group chat tool

My copy and paste missed the last part of the text ...

Dev Anand

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Dear All,

I've been thinking (and tinkering) about group chat.

I'm suggesting that the At-Large Community use the free tier Slack version that we have at https://icannatlarge.slack.com/

Key reasons why:

- Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources, tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities, it can be quite likely that - The challenge of a volunteer to deploy an open source solution for a large number of users using their resources without payment and support it to configure or fix things is too much and runs the risk of a volunteer unable to fulfil such a task after valiantly starting and the self hosted version goes down. - from an end user perspective, Slack works. It has the key features we want in group chat - threaded conversations, mobile apps, ability to create public channels, private rooms, and direct messages, search across channels. - the free tier offers 10 integrations - I've integrated Twitter, Skype, a translation tool, and an archive tool bot and was able to do this using the browser. Just like any other cloud service.

here's a screenshot of the Slack channels https://www.dropbox.com/s/xgka1gpxnhpwv24/ttf-icann58-slack- channels.png

The approach I've done is to create channels for interests and wgs that didn't neatly fit the interests - I've used the Key Policy issues of the At-Large Community https://www.dropbox.com/s/f1f81kugty0hulh/Policy-Issues-of-I nterest-to-ICANN-At-Large.png (this screenshot was from the O&E Community Onboarding presentations https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Communi ty+Onboarding)

- Slack content can be exported on a regular basis as a backup and also for importing in any future group chat solution that could be deployed/supported by ICANN - I've also installed and configured this service which creates a public archive of the Slack room - http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/ so we can make our conversations public facing We can link to the conversations in a channel, for eg http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/technologytaskforce or http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/idn/page-1 to a specific message. And in theory, I think it means that the search limit can be overcome.

Thoughts? The TTF session is Wednesday

Dev Anand

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Chris Gift <chris.gift@icann.org> wrote:

...

Dev

Thanks for this. It’s great stuff. I would also look at visibility, archiving, and data access – all core to our transparency and accountability mandates.

Chris Gift

On 3/9/17, 6:45 AM, "ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

;-) which is what happens when I try to have too many drafts onscreen.

As I was saying, I do need feedback on what this group wants regarding group chat applications

Some of my thoughts

- we use Skype for At-Large chat However there are disadvantages of using Skype - chat history is not preserved - a lot of At-Large discussions over the years have already been lost as persons upgrade their machines - conversations on various topics happens in one group so as multiple persons chime in at different times, potential conversations/insights on a particular topic/issue are lost in the one stream. - no ability to search messages across all skype groups - one has to remember what skype group a potential message was in to find it

QUESTION : Any other disadvantages to note?

- there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, Rocket.chat, Mattermost

- all share common features - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups - mobile apps to get push notifications and to respond to messages via mobile more effectively - ability to search across all channels and rooms - can be administered by staff to create/archive/delete rooms/channels - staff/admins have more control to add/remove/invite persons - allows for extensions/integrations so that different services can be integrated (eg Twitter notifications to a channel, email to a channel)

QUESTION: Any other core features to note?

Based on these core features, Group chat offers significant benefits than Skype - potential for At-large community members to be added by Staff and added to channels of their interest - potential to reduce email overload - ability to find messages and conversations when they have time and new found interest to learn/participate more

QUESTION: Any other core benefits?

QUESTION - Are there any specific feature that makes a specific group chat stand out in terms of which one should be picked?

QUESTION - What do we want to recommend for ALAC/ICANN as next steps?

Looking forward to comments

Dev Anand

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Here's the slides for the TTF session at ICANN58 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.go ogle.com_presentation_d_1uAxM-5Fi9hUBV2ZtqsGe3nKk8C0CDkJDDrt UfLV8XjOwE_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwICAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll 3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=zS0x8pK8z0FnanGSXbXvoRVfpJzE1Xm o0ZZP9Gl3-rw&m=gFod0ez7zYcG_fvtwhex4-dIzXSyKaKPlrG2TPx7ij8&s =L3HxyXbLbVub6rdDAJkf8TTemqvxJRv8GSSluEytMYE&e= > (editing link, no Google login required) > > Still have work on Policy tracking and how At-Large should use group > chat applications > > Whilst I put together the policy tracking slides, I do need feedback > on what this group wants > regarding group chat applications > > Some of my thoughts > > - there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, > Rocket.chat, Mattermost > - all share common features > - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics > - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups > - > > > - Group chat applications have signf > > Re: Group chat applications, _______________________________________________ ttf mailing list ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ttf

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Hi Raitme, Indeed, mattermost worked and while from a freedom standpoint, its great to have your "own" Slack type chat server, the challenges are the deploying, configuring and maintaining Mattermost (or Rocket.chat for that matter) such a service without remuneration and with no benefit from a end user/feature standpoint. Re: the Restream tool to broadcast, I'm not at ICANN58 to directly test this. I'll be cochairing/presenting remotely. If someone attending in person at the TTF meeting on Wednesday and is able to help test the tool, let Raitme know. Invite sent to the Slack room. Dev Anand On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Raitme Citterio <rcitterio@gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings Dev

I fully share the pros and cons of employing an opensource application because of the potential risks involved.

However the mattermost option seems basic and limited compared to slack.

By the way, I would like to participate if possible in the slack group.

A suggestion as a test could be the next test to broadcast the session on Wednesday via streaming periscope using the following tool

https://restream.io

In combination with the following broadcast tool (OBS https://obsproject.com)

I think it would be an alternative to increase participation and open more work sessions within ICANN to the community.

If you need additional help for this experiment you can count on me.

El 13 mar. 2017 4:02 PM, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <devtee@gmail.com> escribió:

...

Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources, tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities, it can be quite likely that conversations in Slack can be exported and imported into another group chat tool

My copy and paste missed the last part of the text ...

Dev Anand

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Dear All,

I've been thinking (and tinkering) about group chat.

I'm suggesting that the At-Large Community use the free tier Slack version that we have at https://icannatlarge.slack.com/

Key reasons why:

- Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources, tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities, it can be quite likely that - The challenge of a volunteer to deploy an open source solution for a large number of users using their resources without payment and support it to configure or fix things is too much and runs the risk of a volunteer unable to fulfil such a task after valiantly starting and the self hosted version goes down. - from an end user perspective, Slack works. It has the key features we want in group chat - threaded conversations, mobile apps, ability to create public channels, private rooms, and direct messages, search across channels. - the free tier offers 10 integrations - I've integrated Twitter, Skype, a translation tool, and an archive tool bot and was able to do this using the browser. Just like any other cloud service.

here's a screenshot of the Slack channels https://www.dropbox.com/s/xgka1gpxnhpwv24/ttf-icann58-slack-channels.png

The approach I've done is to create channels for interests and wgs that didn't neatly fit the interests - I've used the Key Policy issues of the At-Large Community

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f1f81kugty0hulh/Policy-Issues-of-Interest-to-ICANN... (this screenshot was from the O&E Community Onboarding presentations

https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Community+Onboarding)

- Slack content can be exported on a regular basis as a backup and also for importing in any future group chat solution that could be deployed/supported by ICANN - I've also installed and configured this service which creates a public archive of the Slack room - http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/ so we can make our conversations public facing We can link to the conversations in a channel, for eg http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/technologytaskforce or http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/idn/page-1 to a specific message. And in theory, I think it means that the search limit can be overcome.

Thoughts? The TTF session is Wednesday

Dev Anand

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Chris Gift <chris.gift@icann.org> wrote:

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Dev

Thanks for this. It’s great stuff. I would also look at visibility, archiving, and data access – all core to our transparency and accountability mandates.

Chris Gift

On 3/9/17, 6:45 AM, "ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of devtee@gmail.com> wrote:

;-) which is what happens when I try to have too many drafts onscreen.

As I was saying, I do need feedback on what this group wants regarding group chat applications

Some of my thoughts

- we use Skype for At-Large chat However there are disadvantages of using Skype - chat history is not preserved - a lot of At-Large discussions over the years have already been lost as persons upgrade their machines - conversations on various topics happens in one group so as multiple persons chime in at different times, potential conversations/insights on a particular topic/issue are lost in the one stream. - no ability to search messages across all skype groups - one has to remember what skype group a potential message was in to find it

QUESTION : Any other disadvantages to note?

- there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, Rocket.chat, Mattermost

- all share common features - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups - mobile apps to get push notifications and to respond to messages via mobile more effectively - ability to search across all channels and rooms - can be administered by staff to create/archive/delete rooms/channels - staff/admins have more control to add/remove/invite persons - allows for extensions/integrations so that different services can be integrated (eg Twitter notifications to a channel, email to a channel)

QUESTION: Any other core features to note?

Based on these core features, Group chat offers significant benefits than Skype - potential for At-large community members to be added by Staff and added to channels of their interest - potential to reduce email overload - ability to find messages and conversations when they have time and new found interest to learn/participate more

QUESTION: Any other core benefits?

QUESTION - Are there any specific feature that makes a specific group chat stand out in terms of which one should be picked?

QUESTION - What do we want to recommend for ALAC/ICANN as next steps?

Looking forward to comments

Dev Anand

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Here's the slides for the TTF session at ICANN58 > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_present... > (editing link, no Google login required) > > Still have work on Policy tracking and how At-Large should use group > chat applications > > Whilst I put together the policy tracking slides, I do need feedback > on what this group wants > regarding group chat applications > > Some of my thoughts > > - there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat, > Rocket.chat, Mattermost > - all share common features > - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics > - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups > - > > > - Group chat applications have signf > > Re: Group chat applications, _______________________________________________ ttf mailing list ttf@atlarge-lists.icann.org https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ttf

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