Hi Dev
I understand th concerns are no hosting , easy for Public participation & chat history preservationOn Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:16 AM, Raitme Citterio <rcitterio@gmail.com> wrote:Greetings DevI fully share the pros and cons of employing an opensource application because of the potential risks involved.However the mattermost option seems basic and limited compared to slack.By the way, I would like to participate if possible in the slack group.A suggestion as a test could be the next test to broadcast the session on Wednesday via streaming periscope using the following toolIn combination with the following broadcast tool (OBS https://obsproject.com)I think it would be an alternative to increase participation and open more work sessions within ICANN to the community.If you need additional help for this experiment you can count on me.El 13 mar. 2017 4:02 PM, "Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <devtee@gmail.com> escribió:Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources,
tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like
mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be
considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities,
it can be quite likely that conversations in Slack can be exported and
imported into another group chat tool
My copy and paste missed the last part of the text ...
Dev Anand
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh
<devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I've been thinking (and tinkering) about group chat.
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> I'm suggesting that the At-Large Community use the free tier Slack
> version that we have at https://icannatlarge.slack.com/
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> Key reasons why:
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> - Its very unlikely that ICANN will offer support (server resources,
> tech support) in the short term to deploy a self hosted solution like
> mattermost or Rocket.chat for ICANN At-Large Community. ICANN may be
> considering group chat solutions but given Slack export capabilities,
> it can be quite likely that
> - The challenge of a volunteer to deploy an open source solution for a
> large number of users using their resources without payment and
> support it to configure or fix things is too much and runs the risk of
> a volunteer unable to fulfil such a task after valiantly starting and
> the self hosted version goes down.
> - from an end user perspective, Slack works. It has the key features
> we want in group chat - threaded conversations, mobile apps, ability
> to create public channels, private rooms, and direct messages, search
> across channels.
> - the free tier offers 10 integrations - I've integrated Twitter,
> Skype, a translation tool, and an archive tool bot and was able to do
> this using the browser. Just like any other cloud service.
>
> here's a screenshot of the Slack channels
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xgka1gpxnhpwv24/ttf-icann58-slack- channels.png
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> The approach I've done is to create channels for interests and wgs
> that didn't neatly fit the interests - I've used the Key Policy
> issues of the At-Large Community
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/f1f81kugty0hulh/Policy-Issues-of-I nterest-to-ICANN-At-Large.png
> (this screenshot was from the O&E Community Onboarding presentations
> https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Communi )ty+Onboarding
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> - Slack content can be exported on a regular basis as a backup and
> also for importing in any future group chat solution that could be
> deployed/supported by ICANN
> - I've also installed and configured this service which creates a
> public archive of the Slack room -
> http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/ so we can make our conversations
> public facing
> We can link to the conversations in a channel, for eg
> http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/technologytaskforce or
> http://icannatlarge.slackarchive.io/idn/page-1 to a specific message.
> And in theory, I think it means that the search limit can be overcome.
>
> Thoughts? The TTF session is Wednesday
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> Dev Anand
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> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Chris Gift <chris.gift@icann.org> wrote:
>> Dev
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>> Thanks for this. It’s great stuff. I would also look at visibility, archiving, and data access – all core to our transparency and accountability mandates.
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>> Chris Gift
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>> On 3/9/17, 6:45 AM, "ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of Dev Anand Teelucksingh" <ttf-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ;-) which is what happens when I try to have too many drafts onscreen.
>>
>> As I was saying, I do need feedback on what this group wants regarding
>> group chat applications
>>
>> Some of my thoughts
>>
>> - we use Skype for At-Large chat
>> However there are disadvantages of using Skype
>> - chat history is not preserved - a lot of At-Large discussions over
>> the years have already been lost as persons upgrade their machines
>> - conversations on various topics happens in one group so as multiple
>> persons chime in at different times, potential conversations/insights
>> on a particular topic/issue are lost in the one stream.
>> - no ability to search messages across all skype groups - one has to
>> remember what skype group a potential message was in to find it
>>
>> QUESTION : Any other disadvantages to note?
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>> - there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat,
>> Rocket.chat, Mattermost
>>
>> - all share common features
>> - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics
>> - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups
>> - mobile apps to get push notifications and to respond to
>> messages via mobile more effectively
>> - ability to search across all channels and rooms
>> - can be administered by staff to create/archive/delete rooms/channels
>> - staff/admins have more control to add/remove/invite persons
>> - allows for extensions/integrations so that different services
>> can be integrated (eg Twitter notifications to a channel, email to a
>> channel)
>>
>> QUESTION: Any other core features to note?
>>
>> Based on these core features, Group chat offers significant benefits than Skype
>> - potential for At-large community members to be added by Staff and
>> added to channels of their interest
>> - potential to reduce email overload
>> - ability to find messages and conversations when they have time and
>> new found interest to learn/participate more
>>
>> QUESTION: Any other core benefits?
>>
>> QUESTION - Are there any specific feature that makes a specific group
>> chat stand out in terms of which one should be picked?
>>
>> QUESTION - What do we want to recommend for ALAC/ICANN as next steps?
>>
>> Looking forward to comments
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>> Dev Anand
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>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh
>> <devtee@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > Here's the slides for the TTF session at ICANN58
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.go ogle.com_presentation_d_1uAxM- 5Fi9hUBV2ZtqsGe3nKk8C0CDkJDDrt UfLV8XjOwE_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharin g&d=DwICAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll 3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=z S0x8pK8z0FnanGSXbXvoRVfpJzE1Xm o0ZZP9Gl3-rw&m=gFod0ez7zYcG_fv twhex4-dIzXSyKaKPlrG2TPx7ij8&s =L3HxyXbLbVub6rdDAJkf8TTemqvxJ Rv8GSSluEytMYE&e=
>> > (editing link, no Google login required)
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>> > Still have work on Policy tracking and how At-Large should use group
>> > chat applications
>> >
>> > Whilst I put together the policy tracking slides, I do need feedback
>> > on what this group wants
>> > regarding group chat applications
>> >
>> > Some of my thoughts
>> >
>> > - there are a myriad of group chat applications - Slack, Hipchat,
>> > Rocket.chat, Mattermost
>> > - all share common features
>> > - creating public rooms or channels for groups and/or topics
>> > - creating private groups not visible to persons outside of such groups
>> > -
>> >
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>> > - Group chat applications have signf
>> >
>> > Re: Group chat applications,
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