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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by evan＠telly.org Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: evan(a)telly.org El 9 de agosto de 2015 03:21, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> escribió: > > Although ALAC Members and RALO Leaders may well fall into all categories, > those tahat fall into category 3 on a regular basis should be dealt with > directly, and the others we have little choice but to accept. At least for > their first term. > a pesar de la conciencia generalizada de la participación mínima, siguen siendo reelegido debido a otros factores. ¿Cuánto tiempo pasamos la recopilación de datos para los informes y la meditación cómo castigar, tiempo que podría ser mejor gastado en la enorme tarea de haciendo ICANN accesible al público global? No sólo perdemos horas-persona directamente de liderazgo no productiva, que pierden por partida doble produciendo tanta energía voluntario (de los "trabajadores") la identificación y diseñar castigos para ellos. Castigos inútil. > Of deeper concern and the ones I focused on when answering were those for > whom we support as ALS representatives. > o regional. (Y esos eventos tienden a ser fuertemente rodeado de encuestas, informes, hojas de asistencia, debriefs obligatorias y otras medidas). De lo contrario, ¿cómo nos apoyamos representantes de ELA? Llegan a votar por su RALO y Representantes de ALAC, que están suscritos a las listas de correo y - muy, muy de vez en cuando - solicitado expresamente por sus opiniones informadas sobre instrucciones específicas de At-Large políticas. (Y por orientaciones de política no me refiero las reacciones instintivas recurrentes a lo que está en público de esta semana comentar calendario.) Si usted va a responder que la participación ALS-liderazgo en Cumbres constituye "apoyar" a ALS, caes en la trampa que Carlton tan bien identificado. * Traer líderes ALS a la ICANN es un servicio a la ICANN, no a la ELA líderes. * La "ventaja" del viaje es más que compensado por el tratamiento de At-Large voluntarios como un centro de costos, y la falta de voluntad de la ICANN para hacer su trabajo accesible en un lenguaje sencillo, una vez que llegan a participar. para bien o para mal, que sea necesario para que la estructura de trabajo ALS / RALO o > reduce its visibility and cost. As it is, it is both expensive (not > necessarily in money, but in time and focus) and opens us up to strong (and > at times valid) criticism > > timidez y, finalmente, la falta de factor que ALAC ha jugado realmente en Las decisiones de política de ICANN. Tenemos que mirar más allá del tratamiento de la ICANN de la cuestión de CFP, sobre la que ALAC hizo tanto ruido y la atención, ya que posiblemente podría, ser testigo de lo poco que se logra en realidad en el cambio Dirección de la ICANN. Así que ... ¿cuánto nadie teme nuestra crítica? Este miedo también nos impide gran imagen verdadera de pensar en cómo apostar servir a nuestro mandato. Antes de que agonizan por la forma de jugar con el organigrama, seamos claros los objetivos. Las medidas radicales que serían necesario verdaderamente re-imaginar el esquema / RALO ELA, para hacer más la ICANN receptiva a las necesidades de los usuarios finales, aparece allá de alcance de la revisión. (Podría decirse que es también una década demasiado tarde, por lo que tanto daño ya ha sido hecho, realmente cuestiono si el daño es reversible.) No ayuda que los críticos tienden a ser despistado y / o sesgada en favorecer de servir a las necesidades de la ICANN para mantenernos marginados. "Si queremos mover el bote demasiado duro perderemos <something> ".... La específica <something> ha cambiado con los años, pero este miedo interiorizado de la crítica se ha convertido en una constante, una causa fundamental de la ALAC auto-impuesta techo de influencia. - Evan [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/7d34a0c757.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by h.raiche＠internode.on.net Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: h.raiche(a)internode.on.net Gracias Beran Yo no creo que ninguno de nosotros empezamos nuestra vida con ALAC saber lo que estaba pasando. Y creo que su sugerencia es una muy buena - Vista aquellos con experiencia de ALAC mentor de los recién llegados. Porque, sí, es un reto todos se han enfrentado, y cuanto más podemos hacer para ayudar, mejor Acebo El 09 de agosto 2015, a las 6:05 pm, Beran Dondeh <berandondeh(a)yahoo.com> escribió: > As an ICANN fellow coming into AT large and eventually ALAC within a space of year it was a big challenge for me. I struggled for the first six months and played catch up a lot. Missing my inaugural ALAC meeting didn't help matters as well. > > I coped by identifying an ALAC member (Tijani) and attaching myself as a Mentee. This really helped me get up to speed and stay involved as well as contribute where I could. > > I believe ALAC members as well as ALSs are expected to hit the ground running once they enter the fold but not enough is done to perhaps help them stay in the fold. > > My mentorship with Tijani helped immensely and I think it's an approach worth considering. > > Regards > > Beran > "There is nothing more difficult to arrange and more dangerous to carry through than initiating change..." Machiavelli > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 9 Aug 2015, at 00:18, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Alan, >> I hear you. I can also agree we could indeed categorise and I have no problem with the ones you have defined. We can also agree that a variety of motivations to serve will bring varying performance. >> >> Like you, the thrill from air travel is long gone for me as well. I do what I must. These days after 4 days elapsed time, I'm usually ready to go home. I have only two pleasure trips left in me; taking that Trans Siberian Express train from Moscow to the Russian Far East and Vladivostok, a trek thru Mongolia. Anyone wants to hand me a travel benefit then those are the only ones that will count! >> >> As to that 3rd group you staked out, it is indeed irksome they show up, short on even intention to assist in the heavy lifting. I paraphrase that eminent philosopher Forrest Gump; 'representatives are like a box of chocolate, you never know what you will get'. A few ne'er-do-wells will get thru our processes time and again. I see this as a price you pay for voluntarism; what I call uneven results and performance. >> >> Its like the ICANN Fellowship programme. I can't tell you how many Fellows - some of whom I have recommended - we have tried to engage after the fellowship trip that simply ignore us. For some the fellowship week experience was overwhelming; too much packed in days that are too long. They wonder how I find the time to do ICANN with all my other commitments and interests they know about. A few have even asked me directly if I'm getting paid 'under the table'! But we harvest a few for the long haul. Again, let's manage expectations. We must expect uneven results and performance. >> >> -Carlton >> >> >> ============================== >> Carlton A Samuels >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >> ============================= >> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> wrote: >> Carlton, I think that there are three distinct categories of people here, and we are merging them together. >> >> 1. There are the dedicated hard workers for whom the travel may or may not be a "perk" at some level. I put you and me in that category. I have logged close to 2 million flying miles (that is, actual flown miles, not frequent flyer miles), and to quote an old song I am fond of "The thrill is a long time gone". I find it hard to consider a trip half-way across the world, where I may get 6 hours sleep, put in a grueling 7-10 days, and fly out again without seeing anything other than a hotel, perhaps 1 or 2 restaurants and the airport a perk or reward. >> >> On the other hand, on rare occasions, I do tag some vacation onto an ICANN trip and from that perspective, it does add a bit of a personal benefit - generally giving me an opportunity to see a place that I might not have done on my own. >> >> 2. There are volunteers who are not among among our heavy lifters (really dedicated workers), but want to get involved. They are the ones that our GAs and summits should be targeted at. They are at the meetings to learn, and try to stay involved after. >> >> 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. >> >> Of course, there are also some who straddle several categories. BUt when they go into option 3, I have a problem. >> >> Alan >> >> >> At 07/08/2015 01:55 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote: >>> I participated in this morning's call and wanted to level the playing field by enunciating some principles and a framework for our discussions. >>> >>> Let's start with some principles. >>> >>> 1) The At-Large is a volunteer-led and fueled organisation and whatever we do MUST be informed by unassailable facts we know of voluntary organisations plus the psychology of voluntarism. >>> >>> 2) Individuals make the worthwhile contributions, not organisations. >>> >>> 3) There is a wide range of motivations for voluntarily contributing and these must be fed for sustaining worthwhile contributions >>> >>> 4) Results matter but volunteer contributions across the board shall always be uneven >>> >>> So now, the framework for discussions. There are structural issues as well as political issues that must be embraced for any viable solution to emerge. The ICANN/RALO MOU is the source of the first structurally-generated challenge. >>> >>> While it recognizes individuals as the providers of policy advice, it locates individual actions in organisations called ALS. And by so doing suggests that value be given to the organisation. Some RALOs, like NARALO, have developed rules that recognize individual contributions but have shoehorned valuation for contribution into an ALS structure. I'm not now sure what the answer should be but I know what we now have is not fit to purpose and objective. >>> >>> Another structural issue. An individual coming to the ICANN policy development ecosystem is going to become a worthwhile contributor by virtue of mental acumen, penchant for hard work and time in place. Time in place is the common criteria for success. So current arrangements give extra value to experienced volunteers. >>> >>> At the same time, new blood is required to sustain the flow of worthwhile contributors. Here's the thing. Face-to-Face (f2f) ICANN meetings are the best platforms to learn and to become familiarized with this complex beast called the ICANN ecosystem. >>> >>> The effectiveness of a volunteer in policy development is directly related to serial opportunity to participate in ICANN f2f meetings. It is no accident that the most impactful groups in ICANN are a) those that get to f2f meetings as 'volunteers' engaged in compensated work b) Those who have the wherewithal to self-fund attendance at ICANN f2f meetings. >>> >>> The task is to develop a framework that strikes a balance which takes into account the need for experienced volunteers with capacity to deliver worthwhile contributions even as we build capacity in newer less-experienced volunteers to sustain the At-Large participation agenda. >>> >>> The current funding model for attendance of At-Large volunteers to ICANN f2f meetings assist ALAC representatives, liaisons from ALAC to qualified SOs/ACs plus named RALO leadership. This construct seemingly presumes a direct line of inheritance from RALO leadership thru ALAC representation. We know it is a presumption without merit, especially if worthwhile contributions to policy discussions is the objective for the At-Large in ICANN. >>> >>> It is always wrong to think of travel funding to ICANN f2f meeting as a benefit to a volunteer! It is not and cannot be! >>> >>> ALAC representation compels attending three (3) f2f meetings per annum. They are coincident with the ICANN meetings. In this context, travel funding is purely part of the infrastructural cost to fulfill an obligation. Otherwise it is like working for a company that has business far removed from my place of domicile and expect performance without provisioning the tools that enable that performance. >>> >>> It rankles me personally when my contributions in both time and treasure to the ICANN enterprise is neither accounted or valorized. Then insult is added to my injury when some goof equates a trip sitting in steerage for upwards of 17+ hours [the flight time from Chicago to New Delhi] as a benefit! >>> >>> I travel by air a lot for work; the miles are now counted in millions. In the years I sat as an ALAC member + the incumbent Secretariat for LACRALO and as a senior staffer at The University of the West Indies, I contributed my vacation time of 3 weeks to ICANN for attending f2f meetings. This does not count the average 20+ hours per week I normally dedicate to ICANN matters. Nor my personal spend of a minimum of US$500 to attend said meetings! These all contribute to ICANN having a real opportunity to record it is indeed multi-stakeholder, is fulfilling its AoC obligations and has contributions from end user representatives to its policy development. >>> >>> Back in time, I was roundly criticised by some of my At-Large colleagues for my position in dealing with so-called ALAC 'tourists'. This matter came to the top in India; LACRALO representatives to ALAC were accused of abandoning ALAC business for a tour of Indian tourist sites. This still haunts the At-Large in ICANN circles. My firm stand against any sanctions or additional criteria applied for travel support funding was interpreted as 'protecting' the members accused from sanctions for inattention to duty. That was never my objective and it still is not the case today. I just cannot accept the notion that travel funding is a benefit to the volunteer. I shall, on principle, oppose any such notion, howsoever derived or configured. >>> >>> Finally, in the chat we heard talk of a 'reviewer' being appointed. While the roles and responsibilities of such a person/actor is not yet outlined, let us be clear to ring fence and give specific instructions as to what we are trying to achieve here. We must recognize from principles that volunteers give as much as they can to the cause. The contributions in time and treasure of a Olivier Crepin-Leblond or Cheryl Langdon Orr cannot be used as a benchmark for either engagement or indeed, worthwhile contributions. >>> >>> Best, >>> -Carlton >>> >>> ============================== >>> Carlton A Samuels >>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >>> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround >>> ============================= >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ALAC mailing list >>> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >>> >>> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >>> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… ) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ALAC mailing list >> ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac >> >> At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org >> ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/10a3359d89.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by h.raiche＠internode.on.net Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: h.raiche(a)internode.on.net Hola Carlton Sólo una nota rápida - para gente como yo, sólo puedo hacer tantas llamadas al 0200 (no soy otra CLO), pero no lee las transcripciones de reuniones, y no participar en los debates sobre la línea, por lo que ser un poco cuidadoso en lo que se entiende por la participación. Dicho esto, las continuas disculpas - y nada más - debe ser un valor de cero Acebo El 09 de agosto 2015, a las 09:39 am, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> escribió: > +1. > > The challenge is adjusting the structural underpinnings of the At-Large engagement in ICANN and the perceptions of performance. And that will be difficult, at best. > > More to the point, we are not seeing the kind of innovative thinking about performance metrics that would make what you and I see as value come to the top. > > Case in point. We had a recent situation in LACRALO where it was seriously proposed that if one sends an apology for non-attendance - note well, purely not attending - an online meeting, that should be counted as participation! > > And, some benighted fella would claim offense if one were to reflexively say aloud that the notion as expressed offends even the commonsensical idea of what is stupid. > > -Carlton > > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround > ============================= > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> wrote: > Dear Alan, > > agreed on all your other points. > > On 08/08/2015 00:58, Alan Greenberg wrote: > > > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, > > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the > > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. > > And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face > meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people who > genuinely want to get involved. It is impossible to build a relationship > with people who do not make the effort to keep involved in between face > to face meetingsMy argument is that we should identify people who have a > genuine interest in helping out and facilitate their involvement in face > to face meetings, more often than at GAs every 5 years. > So far, what I have done is to give excellent references to people > applying for the fellowship program and whom I judge to be of real > potential. But that's not enough since the program is only available for > developing nations. > This is why I would favour the ability for the ALAC to invite people > from their ALSes to an ICANN meeting, based on a skill requirement. For > example, the hot topic is about WHOIS, let's invite people whom we know > to be privacy experts. The hot topic is about ICANN Accountability - > let's invite people who run an ALS that has a need to impeccable > accountability. etc. > > Kind regards, > > Olivier > > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/77d86e8b05.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA Criterios y Expectativas Taskforce
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA Criterios y Expectativas Taskforce De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Estimado Alberto: Siempre es un desafío a escribir en Inglés para esta lista. No solo porque la traducción / interpretación es mierda. Pero a menudo porque venimos desde diferentes perspectivas. Cuando escribo, por favor entienda que es de sentido, no se siente. Tengo la sensación de que usted no está satisfecho que me refiero y uso el ejemplo de la propuesta 'Disculpa como la participación' regla en mis argumentos. Me siento aliviado de que no está negar el hecho. Así que tal vez te sientas te culpo por ello que se ofrece en primer lugar. Dios nos libre! Yo lo uso como una metáfora. Debido a mi mente simplemente sugiere que, una estado de la mente se comunica. Que esta construcción no es la superficie y no puede ser positivo para la mente que lo entregó. Esto es lo más. Desarrollo de políticas y el asesoramiento son nuestros objetivos.Ese incidente degrada realmente mi confianza que tenemos las herramientas que necesitamos para sugerir consejos de desarrollo de políticas significativas y sonido. Y como ustedes saben, son todos los interesados \u200b\u200bque el LACRALO general de lucha para contribuir aquí. La traducción puede ser defectuosa, pero parece que podría haber sido amenaza 'expulsión' de becas para mis opiniones. Tomo nota de esta impulso para suprimir la crítica al contemplar la censura. Así que ya sabes, detesto la censura de la misma manera que detesto la hipocresía. Usted tiene un papel como Presidente de LACRALO. Lo conozco bien, me lo redactó. No mirarlo de nuevo. Saludos cordiales, -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= 08.08.2015 19:02 GMT-05: 00 Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> : > Estimado Carlton, el tema de las disculpas habÃa sido charlado alguna vez > hace tiempo en alguna reuniÃ³n de ALAC, y por eso estaba siendo tratado en > LACRALO y quizÃ¡s no habrÃa que citarlo como una estupidez, sino como una > colaboraciÃ³n. Se discutiÃ³ y se quitÃ³. > AdemÃ¡s, al momento que se planteÃ³ quitarlo, fue quitado. Pese a ello es la > tercera vez que lo estÃ¡s citando como ejemplo. > QuizÃ¡s la mejora del lenguaje en las reuniones y en las listas, sea otra > herramienta valiosa para lograr mayor participaciÃ³n. El lenguaje > inadecuado, > o grosero o insultante, es una causal de alejamiento de los miembros. > Saludos > Alberto > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de > carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > Enviado el: sÃ¡bado, 8 de agosto de 2015 8:41 p. m. > Para: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: LACRALO-EN <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org>; ALAC > <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> > Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y > expectativas Taskforce > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce > De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > > 1. > > > El reto estÃ¡ ajustando las bases estructurales de la At-Large > participaciÃ³n en ICANN y las percepciones de desempeÃ±o. Y eso serÃ¡ > difÃcil, > en el mejor. > > > MÃ¡s al punto, no estamos viendo el tipo de pensamiento innovador acerca > mÃ©tricas de rendimiento que harÃa lo que tÃº y yo vemos como el valor de > venir a la cima. > > > Caso en punto. Tuvimos una situaciÃ³n reciente en LACRALO donde estaba > seriamente propuso que si uno envÃa una disculpa por la falta de > asistencia > - * NOTA bien, puramente no asistir * - una reuniÃ³n en lÃnea, que deben > ser > contados como participaciÃ³n! > > > Y, algunos chico ignorante afirmarÃa delito si uno fuera a reflexivamente > decir en voz alta que la nociÃ³n expresada ofende incluso la idea de sentido > comÃºn de lo que es estÃºpido. > > > -Carlton > > > > > ============================== > Carlton Un Samuels > MÃ³vil: 876-818-1799 > * Estrategia, PlaneaciÃ³n, Gobierno, EvaluaciÃ³n y plazos de entrega * > ============================= > > > El SÃ¡bado, 08 de agosto 2015 a las 2:37 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond > <ocl(a)gih.com> > escribiÃ³: > > > > Dear Alan, > > > > agreed on all your other points. > > > > On 08/08/2015 00:58, Alan Greenberg wrote: > > > > > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, > > > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the > > > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. > > > > And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face > > meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people > > who genuinely want to get involved. It is impossible to build a > > relationship with people who do not make the effort to keep involved > > in between face to face meetingsMy argument is that we should identify > > people who have a genuine interest in helping out and facilitate their > > involvement in face to face meetings, more often than at GAs every 5 > years. > > So far, what I have done is to give excellent references to people > > applying for the fellowship program and whom I judge to be of real > > potential. But that's not enough since the program is only available > > for developing nations. > > This is why I would favour the ability for the ALAC to invite people > > from their ALSes to an ICANN meeting, based on a skill requirement. > > For example, the hot topic is about WHOIS, let's invite people whom we > > know to be privacy experts. The hot topic is about ICANN > > Accountability - let's invite people who run an ALS that has a need to > > impeccable accountability. etc. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Olivier > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/8f219eefcb.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com 1. El reto está ajustando las bases estructurales de la At-Large participación en ICANN y las percepciones de desempeño. Y eso será difícil, en el mejor. Más al punto, no estamos viendo el tipo de pensamiento innovador acerca métricas de rendimiento que haría lo que tú y yo vemos como el valor de venir a la cima. Caso en punto. Tuvimos una situación reciente en LACRALO donde estaba seriamente propuso que si uno envía una disculpa por la falta de asistencia - * NOTA bien, puramente no asistir * - una reunión en línea, que deben ser contados como participación! Y, algunos chico ignorante afirmaría delito si uno fuera a reflexivamente decir en voz alta que la noción expresada ofende incluso la idea de sentido común de lo que es estúpido. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Sábado, 08 de agosto 2015 a las 2:37 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> escribió: > Dear Alan, > > agreed on all your other points. > > On 08/08/2015 00:58, Alan Greenberg wrote: > > > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, > > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the > > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. > > And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face > meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people who > genuinely want to get involved. It is impossible to build a relationship > with people who do not make the effort to keep involved in between face > to face meetingsMy argument is that we should identify people who have a > genuine interest in helping out and facilitate their involvement in face > to face meetings, more often than at GAs every 5 years. > So far, what I have done is to give excellent references to people > applying for the fellowship program and whom I judge to be of real > potential. But that's not enough since the program is only available for > developing nations. > This is why I would favour the ability for the ALAC to invite people > from their ALSes to an ICANN meeting, based on a skill requirement. For > example, the hot topic is about WHOIS, let's invite people whom we know > to be privacy experts. The hot topic is about ICANN Accountability - > let's invite people who run an ALS that has a need to impeccable > accountability. etc. > > Kind regards, > > Olivier > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c6dda47f4e.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Evan entiende los problemas estructurales muy bien. Yo no soy mucho preocupado por la política de la organización. Eso siempre estará con nosotros. Mi preocupación es la pérdida de objetivo. Si el consejo de desarrollo de políticas es nuestro objetivo, nos enfrentamos a más o menos la misma reto básico para la selección de liderazgo como lo hacemos para la determinación de la política asesoramiento en sí. El conocimiento es sólo uno de una serie de requisitos previos necesarios. Pero eso es desigual, tanto en calidad como en cantidad. Y cuando igualamos toma de decisiones democrática de abajo hacia arriba con un voto o asesoramiento sobre políticas con un voto, debemos estar dispuestos a hacer hincapié en los requisitos previos; consentimiento informado. Y, además, aceptamos que estamos apostando. El consentimiento informado tiene la inversión en un montón de cosas, como los deberes. Y que huela a trabajos forzados. Volver a los resultados desiguales. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Sábado, 08 de agosto 2015 a las 5:36 de la tarde, Evan Leibovitch <evan(a)telly.org> escribió: > On 8 August 2015 at 09:37, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> wrote: > > >> > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, >> > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the >> > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. >> >> And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face >> meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people who >> genuinely want to get involved. > > > So long as At-Large leadership is selected bottom-up by a reasonably > democratic process, it will not always include the "hardest workers". > Politics of various sorts can happen in any region, and it is not a stretch > to say that "number of hours spent on ICANN in the past" can often be > ârended insignificant in an election campaign next to social skills, global > geopolitics or other factors. > > Somebody may be elected based on nothing more than a promise to vote a > certain way on ALAC statements or to advance a very specific agenda on a > narrow range of issues. How do you confront that without threatening the > democratic process? > > The easy answer is to ask ICANN for more travel spots as Olivier suggests, > so that (as one possible example) working group chairs (which are usually > in their posts by merit rather than politics because of the workload). > Well, that's an easy answer for us -- to the rest of ICANN's > constituencies, most of which already take At-Large to be a charity case, > this will be a tough sell. > > (Then again, ICANN could if it chooses help At-Large look for outside > participation sponsorship -- yet it is unwilling, or unable, to do so.) > > âAnyway... back when I was more deeply involved in At-Large, I resisted > and even belittled the various attempts to push, prod, measure and âsilo > us. Most of these efforts deserve continuing ridicule, for they remain > largely navel-gazing exercises which are more effective at distraction and > time-burning than anything else. > > IMO, there are three overarching needs of At-Large: > > - How do we make ICANN and its dilemmas more accessible to the global > public? > - How can we best determine what is important to that public? > - How can we best advance those priorities within ICANN without being > marginalized? > > âEverything we do must serve one of those needsâ. This means frankly > answering: > > Who needs to do what at F2F meetings? > (Maybe some of our most important travel is NOT to ICANN meetings?) > > How are we engaging with the public outside ICANN? > (If CROPP is as good as it gets let's not even bother) > > What staff support do we need in research and communications? > (Can we get stats and opinion polls to back our policy actions?) > > How do we mobilize pubic opinion? > (First, we get the public to care) > > Wringing our collective hands over how to deal with laggards and tourists > -- who happen to be popular enough to get elected -- pre-occupied ALAC > before I got involved, and it continues to suck energy out of addressing > the real reason the At-Large community even exists. > > âMeanwhile, the other parts of ICANN that prefer At-Large weak and > ineffectual, delight in our tail-chasing. > â > - Evan > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/8830b46c4e.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by alan.greenberg＠mcgill.ca Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca Al 08.08.2015 18:36, Evan Leibovitch escribió: > El 8 de agosto de 2015 09:37, Olivier MJ > Crepin-Leblond < <mailto:ocl@gih.com> ocl(a)gih.com> escribió: > > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, > > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the > > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. > >And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face >meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people who >genuinely want to get involved. > > >So long as At-Large leadership is selected >bottom-up by a reasonably democratic process, it >will not always include the "hardest workers". >Politics of various sorts can happen in any >region, and it is not a stretch to say that >"number of hours spent on ICANN in the past" can >often be ârended insignificant in an election >campaign next to social skills, global geopolitics or other factors. > >Somebody may be elected based on nothing more >than a promise to vote a certain way on ALAC >statements or to advance a very specific agenda >on a narrow range of issues. How do you confront >that without threatening the democratic process? > >The easy answer is to ask ICANN for more travel >spots as Olivier suggests, so that (as one >possible example) working group chairs (which >are usually in their posts by merit rather than >politics because of the workload). Well, that's >an easy answer for us -- to the rest of ICANN's >constituencies, most of which already take >At-Large to be a charity case, this will be a tough sell. caer en todas las categorías, los que caen en Tahat categoría 3 sobre una base regular debe ser tratado con directamente, y los otros tenemos poco más remedio que aceptar. Al menos durante su primer término. Una de las preocupaciones más profundas y los que me he centrado en al contestar eran aquellos para los que apoyamos como representantes de ELA. > (Por otra parte, la ICANN podría si elige ayudar > At-Large vistazo a la participación exterior > Patrocinio - sin embargo, no está dispuesto o no, para hacerlo). > > En fin ... cuando yo era más profundamente > Involucrado en At-Large, me resistí e incluso > Menospreciado los diversos intentos de empujar, prod, > Medir y nos silo.La mayoría de estos esfuerzos > Merecemos continuar el ridículo, porque ellos permanecen > gran medida ejercicios mirarse el ombligo, que son más > Eficaz en la distracción y el tiempo de la quema que cualquier otra cosa. > > OMI, hay tres necesidades generales de At-Large: > * How do we make ICANN and its dilemmas more > accessible to the global public? > * How can we best determine what is important to that public? > * How can we best advance those priorities > within ICANN without being marginalized? para hacer que el ELA estructura / RALO, o reducir su visibilidad y su costo. Así las cosas, es a la vez caro (no necesariamente en dinero, sino en el tiempo y enfocar) y nos abre a una fuerte (y en ocasiones válida la crítica) > Todo lo que hacemos debe servir uno de los > Necesidades. Esto significa responder con franqueza: > > ¿Quién tiene que hacer lo que en las reuniones F2F? > (Maybe some of our most important travel is NOT to ICANN meetings?) > >How are we engaging with the public outside ICANN? > (If CROPP is as good as it gets let's not even bother) > >What staff support do we need in research and communications? > (Can we get stats and opinion polls to back our policy actions?) > >How do we mobilize pubic opinion? > (First, we get the public to care) > >Wringing our collective hands over how to deal >with laggards and tourists -- who happen to be >popular enough to get elected -- pre-occupied >ALAC before I got involved, and it continues to >suck energy out of addressing the real reason >the At-Large community even exists. > >âMeanwhile, the other parts of ICANN that >prefer At-Large weak and ineffectual, delight in our tail-chasing. >â >- Evan [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/c4b55a9c06.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA Criterios y Expectativas Taskforce
by asoto＠ibero-americano.org Aug. 9, 2015

Aug. 9, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA Criterios y Expectativas Taskforce De: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org Estimado Carlton, el tema de las haba disculpas Alguna charlado Sido Vez Hace Tiempo en Alguna reunin de ALAC, y por eso ESTABA Siendo Tratado en LACRALO y quizs no habra Que citarlo Como una estupidez, Una Como sino- colaboracin. Se discutiy sí dejar de fumar. Adems, Al Momento Que se plantequitarlo, FUE quitado. Pese a Ello es la Tercera Vez Que Lo nsayos citando Como EJEMPLO. Quizs la Mejora del lenguaje en las Reuniones y en las Listas, otra mar Herramienta Valiosa párrafo participacin alcalde lograr v. El lenguaje inadecuado, o grosero o insultante, Es Una causales de alejamiento de los Miembros. Saludos Alberto ----- Mensaje original de ----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Enviado el: sbado, 8 de agosto de 2015 20:41 Para: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: LACRALO-ES <lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> ; ALAC <alac(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA y Criterios Expectativas Taskforce [[--Translated Texto (en -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA Criterios y Expectativas Taskforce De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com 1. El reto estajustando las bases Estructurales De La At-Large participacin en la ICANN y las percepciones de desempeo. Y difcil Ser eso, en el mejor. Ms Al Punto, No Estamos viendo el tipo de pensamiento Innovador about mtricas de Rendimiento Que hara Que Lo t y yo VEMOS Como el valor de Como llegar a la cima. Caso en punto.Tuvimos Una situacin Reciente en LACRALO Donde ESTABA seriamente propuso Que Si uno ENVA Una disculpa por La Falta de Asistencia - * NOTA busque, Puramente sin Asistir * - Una reunin en lnea, ser Deben Que contados Como participacin! Y, ALGUNOS chico ignorante afirmara delito Si Fuera uno un reflexivamente Decir en voz alta la del que nocin expresada ofende INCLUSO la idea de sentido COMn de Lo Que es estpido. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Mvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluaciny Plazos de entrega * ============================= El Sbado, 08 de agosto 2015 a las 02:37 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> escribi: > Dear Alan, > > agreed on all your other points. > > On 08/08/2015 00:58, Alan Greenberg wrote: > > > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, > > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the > > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. > > And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face > meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people > who genuinely want to get involved. It is impossible to build a > relationship with people who do not make the effort to keep involved > in between face to face meetingsMy argument is that we should identify > people who have a genuine interest in helping out and facilitate their > involvement in face to face meetings, more often than at GAs every 5 > So far, what I have done is to give excellent references to people > applying for the fellowship program and whom I judge to be of real > potential. But that's not enough since the program is only available > for developing nations. > This is why I would favour the ability for the ALAC to invite people > from their ALSes to an ICANN meeting, based on a skill requirement. > For example, the hot topic is about WHOIS, let's invite people whom we > know to be privacy experts. The hot topic is about ICANN > Accountability - let's invite people who run an ALS that has a need to > impeccable accountability. etc. > > Kind regards, > > Olivier > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/1b2d5075ee.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com Aug. 8, 2015

Aug. 8, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Alan, Te escucho. Yo también estoy de acuerdo en verdad podríamos categorizar y yo no tienen problema con los que usted ha definido. También podemos estar de acuerdo que una variedad de las motivaciones para servir traerá rendimiento variable. Al igual que usted, la emoción de los viajes aéreos es cosa del pasado para mí también. Hago lo que Debo. Estos días después de 4 días de tiempo transcurrido, por lo general soy listo para ir a casa. Tengo sólo dos viajes de placer que quedan en mí; teniendo que Transiberiano Exprese tren de Moscú a Extremo Oriente ruso y Vladivostok, una caminata a través de Mongolia. Alguien me quiere entregar un beneficio viajes continuación esos son los únicos que contarán! En cuanto a que el tercero grupo que replantear, es realmente molesto es que aparecen, corto en incluso la intención de ayudar en el trabajo pesado. Parafraseo que eminente filósofo Forrest Gump; 'Representantes son como una caja de chocolate, nunca se sabe lo que va a conseguir ".Unos-do-pozos ne'er voluntad conseguir a través de los procesos de nuestro tiempo y otra vez. Veo esto como un precio que pagas voluntarismo; lo que yo llamo los resultados y el desempeño desiguales. Es como el programa de Becas de ICANN. No puedo decirle cuántas Fellows - Algunos de los cuales he recomendado - hemos tratado de participar después de la viaje de confraternidad que simplemente nos ignoran. Para algunos la semana comunión experiencia fue abrumadora; demasiado lleno en día que son demasiado largos. Se preguntan cómo puedo encontrar el tiempo para hacer la ICANN con todos mis otros compromisos y los intereses que saben sobre. Algunos incluso me han preguntado directamente si estoy me paguen "debajo de la mesa '! Pero cosechamos unos pocos para el largo plazo. Una vez más, vamos a manejar las expectativas. Debemos esperar resultados desiguales y actuación. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Viernes, 07 de agosto 2015 a las 5:58 de la tarde, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg(a)mcgill.ca> escribió: > Carlton, I think that there are three distinct categories of people here, > and we are merging them together. > > 1. There are the dedicated hard workers for whom the travel may or may not > be a "perk" at some level. I put you and me in that category. I have logged > close to 2 million flying miles (that is, actual flown miles, not frequent > flyer miles), and to quote an old song I am fond of "The thrill is a long > time gone". I find it hard to consider a trip half-way across the world, > where I may get 6 hours sleep, put in a grueling 7-10 days, and fly out > again without seeing anything other than a hotel, perhaps 1 or 2 > restaurants and the airport a perk or reward. > > On the other hand, on rare occasions, I do tag some vacation onto an ICANN > trip and from that perspective, it does add a bit of a personal benefit - > generally giving me an opportunity to see a place that I might not have > done on my own. > > 2. There are volunteers who are not among among our heavy lifters (really > dedicated workers), but want to get involved. They are the ones that our > GAs and summits should be targeted at. They are at the meetings to learn, > and try to stay involved after. > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, enjoy > the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the next trip. > THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. > > Of course, there are also some who straddle several categories. BUt when > they go into option 3, I have a problem. > > Alan > > > At 07/08/2015 01:55 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote: > > I participated in this morning's call and wanted to level the playing > field by enunciating some principles and a framework for our discussions. > > Let's start with some principles. > > 1) The At-Large is a volunteer-led and fueled organisation and whatever we > do MUST be informed by unassailable facts we know of voluntary > organisations plus the psychology of voluntarism. > > 2) Individuals make the worthwhile contributions, not organisations. > > 3) There is a wide range of motivations for voluntarily contributing and > these must be fed for sustaining worthwhile contributions > > 4) Results matter but volunteer contributions across the board shall > always be uneven > > So now, the framework for discussions. There are structural issues as well > as political issues that must be embraced for any viable solution to > emerge. The ICANN/RALO MOU is the source of the first > structurally-generated challenge. > > While it recognizes individuals as the providers of policy advice, it > locates individual actions in organisations called ALS. And by so doing > suggests that value be given to the organisation. Some RALOs, like NARALO, > have developed rules that recognize individual contributions but have > shoehorned valuation for contribution into an ALS structure. I'm not now > sure what the answer should be but I know what we now have is not fit to > purpose and objective. > > Another structural issue. An individual coming to the ICANN policy > development ecosystem is going to become a worthwhile contributor by virtue > of mental acumen, penchant for hard work and time in place. Time in place > is the common criteria for success. So current arrangements give extra > value to experienced volunteers. > > At the same time, new blood is required to sustain the flow of worthwhile > contributors. Here's the thing. Face-to-Face (f2f) ICANN meetings are the > best platforms to learn and to become familiarized with this complex beast > called the ICANN ecosystem. > > The effectiveness of a volunteer in policy development is directly related > to serial opportunity to participate in ICANN f2f meetings. It is no > accident that the most impactful groups in ICANN are a) those that get to > f2f meetings as 'volunteers' engaged in compensated work b) Those who have > the wherewithal to self-fund attendance at ICANN f2f meetings. > > The task is to develop a framework that strikes a balance which takes into > account the need for experienced volunteers with capacity to deliver > worthwhile contributions even as we build capacity in newer > less-experienced volunteers to sustain the At-Large participation agenda. > > The current funding model for attendance of At-Large volunteers to ICANN > f2f meetings assist ALAC representatives, liaisons from ALAC to qualified > SOs/ACs plus named RALO leadership. This construct seemingly presumes a > direct line of inheritance from RALO leadership thru ALAC representation. > We know it is a presumption without merit, especially if worthwhile > contributions to policy discussions is the objective for the At-Large in > ICANN. > > It is always wrong to think of travel funding to ICANN f2f meeting as a > benefit to a volunteer! It is not and cannot be! > > ALAC representation compels attending three (3) f2f meetings per annum. > They are coincident with the ICANN meetings. In this context, travel > funding is purely part of the infrastructural cost to fulfill an > obligation. Otherwise it is like working for a company that has business > far removed from my place of domicile and expect performance without > provisioning the tools that enable that performance. > > It rankles me personally when my contributions in both time and treasure > to the ICANN enterprise is neither accounted or valorized. Then insult is > added to my injury when some goof equates a trip sitting in steerage for > upwards of 17+ hours [the flight time from Chicago to New Delhi] as a > benefit! > > I travel by air a lot for work; the miles are now counted in millions. In > the years I sat as an ALAC member + the incumbent Secretariat for LACRALO > and as a senior staffer at The University of the West Indies, I contributed > my vacation time of 3 weeks to ICANN for attending f2f meetings. This does > not count the average 20+ hours per week I normally dedicate to ICANN > matters. Nor my personal spend of a minimum of US$500 to attend said > meetings! These all contribute to ICANN having a real opportunity to > record it is indeed multi-stakeholder, is fulfilling its AoC obligations > and has contributions from end user representatives to its policy > development. > > Back in time, I was roundly criticised by some of my At-Large colleagues > for my position in dealing with so-called ALAC 'tourists'. This matter > came to the top in India; LACRALO representatives to ALAC were accused of > abandoning ALAC business for a tour of Indian tourist sites. This still > haunts the At-Large in ICANN circles. My firm stand against any sanctions > or additional criteria applied for travel support funding was interpreted > as 'protecting' the members accused from sanctions for inattention to > duty. That was never my objective and it still is not the case today. I > just cannot accept the notion that travel funding is a benefit to the > volunteer. I shall, on principle, oppose any such notion, howsoever derived > or configured. > > Finally, in the chat we heard talk of a 'reviewer' being appointed. While > the roles and responsibilities of such a person/actor is not yet outlined, > let us be clear to ring fence and give specific instructions as to what we > are trying to achieve here. We must recognize from principles that > volunteers give as much as they can to the cause. The contributions in > time and treasure of a Olivier Crepin-Leblond or Cheryl Langdon Orr cannot > be used as a benchmark for either engagement or indeed, worthwhile > contributions. > > Best, > -Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > _______________________________________________ > ALAC mailing list > ALAC(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/alac > > At-Large Online: http://www.atlarge.icann.org > ALAC Working Wiki: > https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/At-Large+Advisory+Committee+(AL… > ) > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3fcc48e0af.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce
by evan＠telly.org Aug. 8, 2015

Aug. 8, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Reflexiones sobre la ELA criterios y expectativas Taskforce De: evan(a)telly.org El 8 de agosto de 2015 09:37, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl(a)gih.com> escribió: > > 3. The latter ones come to meetings, perhaps attend some meetings, > > enjoy the local offerings, and go home and forget about us until the > > next trip. THOSE are the ones that I have a real problem with. > > And unfortunately whenever the time comes for having face to face > meetings, we treat those people the same way as we treat the people who > genuinely want to get involved. proceso democrático, no siempre incluirá los "trabajadores más duros". Política de varios tipos pueden ocurrir en cualquier región, y no es un tramo al decir que "el número de horas dedicadas a la ICANN en el pasado" a menudo puede ser rended insignificante en una campaña electoral junto a habilidades sociales, global geopolítica u otros factores. Alguien podrá ser elegido en base a nada más que una promesa de votar una de cierta manera en los estados del ALAC o para avanzar en una agenda muy específica en un estrecha gama de cuestiones. ¿Cómo te enfrentas a que sin amenazar la proceso democrático? La respuesta fácil es preguntar a la ICANN para más lugares de viaje como Olivier sugiere, de modo que los presidentes de los grupos (como un posible ejemplo) trabajo (que suelen ser en sus puestos por méritos en lugar de la política debido a la carga de trabajo). Bueno, eso es una respuesta fácil para nosotros - para el resto de la ICANN de distritos electorales, la mayoría de los cuales ya tienen At-Large a ser un caso de caridad, esto será difícil de vender. (Por otra parte, la ICANN podría si así lo decide ayudar a At-Large mirada para el exterior patrocinio participación -, sin embargo, no está dispuesto o no, para hacerlo). En fin ... cuando yo estaba más profundamente involucrado en At-Large, me resistí y incluso menospreciado los diversos intentos para impulsar, prod, medir y nos silo. La mayoría de estos esfuerzos merecen continuar el ridículo, porque ellos siguen en gran medida ejercicios que son más eficaces en la distracción de mirarse el ombligo y tiempo de quema que cualquier otra cosa. OMI, hay tres necesidades generales de At-Large: - ¿Cómo hacemos para que la ICANN y sus dilemas más accesible para el mundial público? - ¿Cómo podemos determinar lo que es importante que la pública? - ¿Cómo podemos avanzar en esas prioridades dentro de la ICANN, sin ser marginados? Todo lo que hacemos tiene que servir una de esas necesidades. Esto significa franqueza contestador: ¿Quién tiene que hacer lo que en las reuniones F2F? (Tal vez algunos de nuestros viajes más importante no es a las reuniones de la ICANN?) ¿Cómo estamos participando con el público fuera de la ICANN? (Si CROPP es tan bueno como se pone vamos ni siquiera se molestan) ¿Qué personal de apoyo es lo que necesitamos en la investigación y la comunicación? (¿Podemos obtener estadísticas y las encuestas de opinión para respaldar nuestras acciones de política?) ¿Cómo podemos movilizar a la opinión púbica? (En primer lugar, tenemos que el público le importa) Sacar nuestras manos colectivas sobre cómo hacer frente a los rezagados y los turistas - Que pasaría a ser popular suficiente para ser elegido - pre-ocupada ALAC antes de que me involucré, y sigue a chupar la energía de abordar la verdadera razón de la comunidad de alcance aun existe. Mientras tanto, las otras partes de ICANN que prefieren At-Large débil y ineficaz, deleite en nuestra cola-persecución. - Evan [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/b4d48c4686.html --]]

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