July 2015 - lac-discuss-es

Re: [lac-discuss-es] legalidad del proceso.
by vanda＠etges.com.br July 24, 2015

July 24, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso. Desde: vanda(a)etges.com.br Queridos amigos. Estoy mucho más preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para proceder con esta elección, ya después del proceso inicial - empezamos siguiendo el proceso original - que ya está cerrado? Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el desierto el proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro. O le gustaría que alguien del personal para darnos una declaración clara al respecto. gracias Vanda Polo Consultores Associados TI-Trend Consulting Av. Paulista, 1159 cj 1004 01311-200 - São Paulo - SP - Brasil Fone: +55.11.3266.6253 Celular: +55.11.9.8137.1464 Skype: vanda.scartezini e-mail: vanda(a)scartezini.org > On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict of interest. > > Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile : https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto <https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto> > > "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division." > > So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of Small and Medium Entrepreneurs? > > Regards, > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>> wrote: > My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. And do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word. > > What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit. > > Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman and its representative to LACRALO. > > Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's version Internauta Usarios etc. etc. > > The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. > > Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN system - just looks delusional for some of us. > > At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one thing or other. > > -Carlton > > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799> > Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround > ============================= > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx>> wrote: > Carlton, > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course. > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > +52-1-5541444475 <tel:%2B52-1-5541444475> FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> DESDE MÃXICO SMS +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com <http://pisanty.blogspot.com/> > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty <http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty> > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 <http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty <http://twitter.com/apisanty> > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/> > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] > Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > Hasta: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > > CC: Albert Daniels > Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating. > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence. > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > Definitions of bullshit > noun > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > verb > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > âIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect. > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question. > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place! > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils. > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then. > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds. > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised! > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch. > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied. > > Go figure. > > -Carlton Samuels > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799> > Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround > ============================= > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org <mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en <https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en> > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/cacea63d83.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ???????? = Windows 1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ ventanas-1252 q-polaridad = 27_Contra_Large_At personal =
by chris.lahatte＠icann.org July 24, 2015

July 24, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ???????? = Windows 1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ ventanas-1252 q-polaridad = 27_Contra_Large_At personal = De: chris.lahatte(a)icann.org Apoyo plenamente debate debemos no dude en cuestionar las decisiones. Pero por lo que con el discurso civil, y todavía podemos tener en nuestras voces sean escuchadas. Debemos desafiar la idea y no la persona. Así que espero que el voto puede ser completado, y tal vez algunas discusiones mejor puede tener lugar. Enviado desde mi iPad > On 24/07/2015, at 12:48 pm, "asoto(a)ibero-americano.org" <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> wrote: > > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re: ???????? = Windows-1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ windows-1252 q-polarity = 27_Contra_Large_At Staff = > From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org > > Dear Chris, there are no parts, that is LACRALO, for me there are no divisions or parts. Some are unhappy with a decision and others agree. Someone is expressed in term unsuitable and other correctly. Everyone has the right to express themselves, but correctly and with proper fundamentals. > We all have to do what is necessary so there is no fighting, and that's what we try to do. > best regards > > > Alberto Soto > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On behalf of chris.lahatte(a)icann.org > Posted on: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:17 pm > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; LACRALO; Albert Daniels > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] ????????= Windows-1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ windows-1252 q-polarity = 27_Contra_Large_At Staff = > > > > > [[Translated text (en -> en) -]] > > > Subject: Re: ???????? = Windows-1252 BFEs_ q = = = = = 27irregu E9ste_Tiresome_ windows-1252 q-polarity = 27_Contra_Large_At Staff = > From: chris.lahatte(a)icann.org > > > Can I ask that the parties face problems. I think there are some strong opinions, but there is an ongoing survey, perhaps waiting for this to be completed may be the best course today. If the issues are discussed then we can leave the strongest language used. If anyone wants to reach me please do it though. > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On 07/24/2015, at 9:54 am, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com<mailto:apisanty@gmail.com> > He wrote: > > > > > Carlton, > > > > > I'm OK for the last time your use of offensive language. Your Next message with offensive language sermateria WORKING Ombudsman. Your vocabulary words in unacceptable results in Spanish. > > > > > The conflict of interest spear Do not comes from business activity propia.El conflict lies in its representation through Business in the Chamber. Some of these businesses have structural conflcto UN son Users Users For customers of their services. > > > > > Jacqueline, the expression of semi-finished products was amended and extended after starting the election. > > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > > Thu, July 23, 2015 at 4:46 pm, <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > He wrote: > > > > > [[--Translated Text (en -> en) -]] > > > > > Subject: Re: 'irregularity' is ste Tiresome Against At-Large Staff > From: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > > > > > My friend Alexander, little more will irritate the rhetoric UN scam. Y > no Please, I accept that I am using the classical sense [english] word. > > > > > > > > > What I know is unfortunate alleges Purely shit. > > > > > > > > > Lance Hinds ICANN is articulated through the UN one Memorandum of Understanding with ICANN and the caucus > At-Large and LACRALO As Representative DevNet; He is the President > And His LACRALO Representative para. > > > > > > > > > DEVNET is a nongovernmental organization that provides ICT Development > The services that are in the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet > Thusly it represents interests of end users.Think of DEVNET As the version of Guyana > Users surfer etc etc. > > > > > > > > > Man is the president of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce under its > Owned by a small version; BrainStreet technologies. l derived Do > income, the living wage, especially without GET THAT negocio.l > Paid As President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. > > > > > > > > > Aquestel problem. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean > have many lives; Call your response to this deficit of Capacidad.Decir > Lanza can not be a businessman and also represent the interests of the user when final > l is president of an NGO - The one through which you have connected to the ICANN > system - just delusional paragraph seems some of us. > > > > > > > > > At Least paragraph those of us in the Caribbean son any thing paragraph Volunteers > or Other. > > > > > > > > > -Carlton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > * Strategy, Planning, Government, evaluation and Delivery * > ============================= > > > > > > > > > Thu, July 23, 2015 at 4:20 pm, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < > apisan(a)unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > I wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Carlton, >> >> >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict >> of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election >> was in course. >> >> Simple. No rhetoric needed. >> >> Alejandro Pisanty >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> >> >> >> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD >> >> +525541444475 DESDE MÃXICO SMS +525541444475 >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> ------------------------------ >> *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ >> lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton >> Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] >> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 >> *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> >> *CC:* Albert Daniels >> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against >> At-Large Staff >> >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is >> debilitating. >> >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot >> depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must >> by avoiding vexations to my spirit. >> >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just >> too much and I must break my silence. >> >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: >> >> Definitions of bullshit >> noun >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. >> verb >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. >> >> >> âIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why. >> >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will >> repeat it here for effect. >> >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â >> >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process >> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. >> >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election >> process into question. >> >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come >> along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a >> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the >> first place! >> >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. >> >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after >> trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of >> reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. >> >> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. >> >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed >> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated >> unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for >> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single >> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and >> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very >> important ICANN councils. >> >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy >> the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being >> de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then. >> >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And >> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance >> Hinds. >> >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is >> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. >> >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now >> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' >> raised! >> >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the >> guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep >> at the switch. >> >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other >> operating conditions are applied. >> >> Go figure. >> >> -Carlton Samuels >> >> ============================== >> Carlton A Samuels >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >> ============================= >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e5a59692a8.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ???????? = Windows 1252 q = BFEs_ = = = = E9ste_Tiresome_ 27irregu ventanas-1252 q laridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff =
by asoto＠ibero-americano.org July 24, 2015

July 24, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ???????? = Windows 1252 q = BFEs_ = = = = E9ste_Tiresome_ 27irregu ventanas-1252 q laridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = De: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org Querido Chris, Aquí no contradictorio de heno, Esto Es LACRALO, para mi no hay Divisiones EXISTEN NI contradictorios. Hay Quienes estan desconformes con Una decisión y Otros Estan de Acuerdo. Alguien se Expresa en término no adecuados y Otros correctamente. Todos Tienen derecho a expresarse, but correctamente y con fundamentos correctos. Todos tenemos Que Hacer lo Necesario Para Que no hay enfrentamientos haya, y eso es Lo Que tratamos de Hace. Saludos cordiales Alberto Soto ----- Mensaje original de ----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de chris.lahatte(a)icann.org Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 19:17 Para: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; LACRALO; Albert Daniels Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] ????????= Windows 1252 q = BFEs_ = = = = E9ste_Tiresome_ 27irregu ventanas-1252 q laridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = [[--Translated Texto (en -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: ???????? = Windows 1252 q = BFEs_ = = = = E9ste_Tiresome_ 27irregu ventanas-1252 q laridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = De: chris.lahatte(a)icann.org ¿Puedo Pedir Que las contradictorio Hacen Frente a los Problemas. Creo Que Hay ALGUNAS Opiniónes fuertes, Pero No heno Una Encuesta en Curso, y Tal Vez a la espera de Que ESTO completado mar Puede Ser el mejor Curso en la Actualidad. Sí se analizan las Cuestiones ENTONCES Podemos Abandonar el lenguaje Más fuerte USADO. Si alguien Quiere Llegar a favor del por mi, hágalo embargo de pecado. Saludos Enviado desde mi iPad El 24/07/2015, a las 09:54 de la mañana, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com<mailto:apisanty@gmail.com> > Escribio: Carlton, voy a Aceptar por ltima Vez tu USO de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente Mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo sermateria DE TRABAJO DEL Defensor del Pueblo. Tu vocabulario se Traduce Una Palabras inaceptables en espaol. El conflicto de inters de la lanza pecado Viene de hacer la actividad empresarial propia.El Conflicto residen en su representacin de Negocios a travs de la Cmara. ALGUNOS de Estós Negocios Tienen ONU conflcto estructural con los Usuarios Porque Usuarios HIJO los Clientes de Sus Servicios. Jacqueline, la expresin de semiproductos FUE MODIFICADA ampliada y despus de Empezar la eleccin. Alejandro Pisanty El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:46 de la tarde, <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Escribio: [[--Translated Texto (en -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: 'irregularidad' Es ste Tiresome Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar ms Poco ONU de la estafa retrica. Y pecado favor, acepto Que Estoy utilizando el SENTIDO Clásico [Ingls] de la palabra. Lo que sé es Alega Puramente desafortunado mierda. Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN ONU travs de la ONU memorando de Entendimiento con la con la ICANN y caucus At-Large y LACRALO Como Representante de DevNet; l es el Presidente Parr Y Su LACRALO Representante. Devnet Es Una organizacin no gubernamental Que Provee Desarrollo de las TIC Servicios a Los Que estn en El lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet Representa thusly Los intereses de los Usuarios Finales.De de Piense en Devnet Como la versin de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc. El hombre es el presidente de la Cmara de Comercio de Georgetown en Virtud de su Propiedad De Una versión pequea; Tecnologas BrainStreet. l deriva de interés ingresos, su salario digno, Principalmente de ESE negocio.l CONSIGUE pecado Pagado Como Presidente de la Cmara de Comercio de Georgetown. Problema Aquestel. No Pará Es inusual Los Que Estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su Llamado de Respuesta al dficit de Capacidad.Decir eso Lanza no Puede Ser Un hombre de Negocios y tambin representan Los intereses del usuario CUANDO definitiva l es presidente De Una ONG - El que la ONU travs de La que ha Conectado a la ICANN sistema - slo se PARECE delirante parrafo ALGUNOS de Nosotros. Al Menos parrafo Aquellos de Nosotros en el Caribe Hijo Que Una Voluntarios parrafo cosa u Otro. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Mvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluaciny Plazos de entrega * ============================= El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan(a)unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > Escribi: > Carlton, > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election > was in course. > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ------------------------------ > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > *CC:* Albert Daniels > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > At-Large Staff > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is > debilitating. > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just > too much and I must break my silence. > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > Definitions of bullshit > noun > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > verb > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > repeat it here for effect. > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. Ã¢â¬â¹ > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election > process into question. > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the > first place! > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > important ICANN councils. > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then. > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance > Hinds. > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' > raised! > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep > at the switch. > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > operating conditions are applied. > > Go figure. > > -Carlton Samuels > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/98054e2fea.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ???????? = Windows-1252 q = BFEs_ = E9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregu windows-1252 q laridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff =
by chris.lahatte＠icann.org July 24, 2015

July 24, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re:???????? = Windows-1252 q = BFEs_ = E9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregu windows-1252 q laridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = De: chris.lahatte(a)icann.org ¿Puedo pedir que las partes hacen frente a los problemas. Creo que hay algunas opiniones fuertes, pero no hay una encuesta en curso, y tal vez a la espera de que esto sea completado puede ser el mejor curso en la actualidad. Si se analizan las cuestiones entonces podemos abandonar el lenguaje más fuerte usado. Si alguien quiere llegar a mí por favor, hágalo sin embargo. Saludos Enviado desde mi iPad El 24/07/2015, a las 9:54 de la mañana, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty(a)gmail.com<mailto:apisanty@gmail.com> > Escribió: Carlton, voy a Aceptar por ltima Vez tu USO de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente Mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo sermateria DE TRABAJO DEL Defensor del Pueblo. Tu vocabulario se Traduce una Palabras inaceptables en espaol. El conflicto de inters de la lanza sin Viene de Do empresarial activity Propia.El conflicto reside en su representacin de Negocios a travs de la Cmara. ALGUNOS de Estós Negocios Tienen ONU conflcto estructural con los Usuarios Porque Usuarios hijo los Clientes de Sus Servicios. Jacqueline, la expresin de semiproductos FUE MODIFICADA ampliada y despus de Empezar la eleccin. Alejandro Pisanty El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:46 de la tarde, <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Escribió: [[--Translated Texto (en -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: 'irregularidad' Es ste Tiresome Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar ms Poco ONU de la estafa retrica. Y sin please, acepto Que Estoy utilizando el SENTIDO Clásico [Ingls] de la palabra. Lo que sé es Alega Puramente desafortunado mierda. Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN un travs de la ONU memorando de Entendimiento con la con la ICANN y caucus At-Large y LACRALO Como Representante de DevNet; l es el Presidente Y Su LACRALO Representante párr. Devnet Es Una organizacin no gubernamental Que Provee Desarrollo de las TIC Servicios a Los Que estn en El lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet Representa thusly Los intereses de los Usuarios Finales. De Piense en Devnet Como la versin de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc. El hombre es el presidente de la Cmara de Comercio de Georgetown en Virtud de su Propiedad De Una versión pequea; Tecnologas BrainStreet. l deriva Do income, su salario digno, Principalmente de ESE negocio.l sin CONSIGUE Pagado Como Presidente de la Cmara de Comercio de Georgetown. Problema Aquestel. No Es Para inusual Los Que Estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su Llamado de respuesta al dficit de Capacidad.Decir eso Lanza no Puede Ser Un hombre de Negocios y tambin representan Los intereses del usuario CUANDO definitiva l es presidente De Una ONG - El que un travs de La que ha Conectado a la ICANN sistema - slo se PARECE delirante párrafo ALGUNOS de Nosotros. Al Menos párrafo Aquellos de Nosotros en el Caribe hijo Que Una Voluntarios párrafo cosa u Otro. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Mvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluaciny Plazos de entrega * ============================= El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan(a)unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > Escribi: > Carlton, > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election > was in course. > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃXICO SMS +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ------------------------------ > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> > *CC:* Albert Daniels > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > At-Large Staff > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is > debilitating. > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just > too much and I must break my silence. > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > Definitions of bullshit > noun > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > verb > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > âIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > repeat it here for effect. > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election > process into question. > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the > first place! > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > important ICANN councils. > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then. > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance > Hinds. > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' > raised! > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep > at the switch. > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > operating conditions are applied. > > Go figure. > > -Carlton Samuels > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/05b70735c3.html --]]

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Re: �Es �ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
by devtee＠gmail.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: devtee(a)gmail.com Para seguir en la hipocresía ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy) comentarios re: conflicto de intereses. Esto es lo que está en el perfil de Sergio Salinas Porto: https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto "El señor Salinas Porto está involucrado en una serie de otras organizaciones internacionales y organizaciones y proyectos regionales; él es un miembro del Foro para Democrática y Popular de Comunicación, Secretaría de Mar de Plata Comunicación para la Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, y el Jefe de Nuevo Tecnologías y Negocios de la Asamblea de Pequeños y Medianos Mar división de Empresarios de Plata ". Entonces, ¿cómo es que Sergio no tiene un conflicto de interés por ser LACRALO como un "usuario de negocio", ya que está involucrado con la Asamblea de Pequeños y medianos empresarios? Saludos, Dev Anand Teelucksingh El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:44 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> escribió: > My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. And > do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word. > > What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit. > > Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with > the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman > and its representative to LACRALO. > > Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development > services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet > thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's version > Internauta Usarios etc. etc. > > The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of > his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives > his income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT > get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce. > > Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to > have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that > Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when > he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN > system - just looks delusional for some of us. > > At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one thing > or other. > > -Carlton > > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < > apisan(a)unam.mx> wrote: > >> Carlton, >> >> >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable >> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the >> election was in course. >> >> Simple. No rhetoric needed. >> >> Alejandro Pisanty >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty >> Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico >> >> >> >> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD >> >> +525541444475 DESDE MÃXICO SMS +525541444475 >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org >> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >> ------------------------------ >> *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ >> lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton >> Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] >> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 >> *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> >> *CC:* Albert Daniels >> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against >> At-Large Staff >> >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO >> is debilitating. >> >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so >> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what >> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit. >> >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just >> too much and I must break my silence. >> >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: >> >> Definitions of bullshit >> noun >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. >> verb >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. >> >> >> âIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why. >> >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will >> repeat it here for effect. >> >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â >> >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process >> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. >> >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election >> process into question. >> >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come >> along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a >> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the >> first place! >> >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. >> >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome >> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk >> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. >> >> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. >> >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed >> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated >> unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for >> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single >> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and >> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very >> important ICANN councils. >> >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to >> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris >> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do >> then. >> >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And >> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance >> Hinds. >> >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is >> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. >> >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now >> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' >> raised! >> >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume >> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even >> asleep at the switch. >> >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other >> operating conditions are applied. >> >> Go figure. >> >> -Carlton Samuels >> >> ============================== >> Carlton A Samuels >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >> ============================= >> >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/aa97ba85aa.html --]]

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Acerca del debate en LACRALO por el ALAC Member.
by Sergio Salinas Porto July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

Estimados compañeros, voy a ser franco y directo en algunas cosas, no voy a dar vueltas al asunto. Primero voy a explicarle algo a Dev, que como es su costumbre malinterpreta y ensucia todo lo que el desconoce o no comprende por su falta de interés en el prójimo o que tenga que ver con el compromiso con el que menos tiene. Mi participación en APYME, que aclaro es una asamblea de pequeños y medianos empresarios, muchos de ellos cooperativas y micro-emprendores, mi tarea y la del equipo de compañeros de internauta fue la de realizarles gratuitamente su pagina web para que ellos (los microemprendedores) puedan hacer sus primeros pasos en Internet, como así también la de enseñarles a utilizar algunas herramientas de comercio electronico en el marco de lo que llamamos "Comercio Justo". En esta organizacion no están involucrados ISP. Espero que retires el termino Hipocresía y me pidas disculpas a mi y a mis compañeros de organización, fuiste muy maleducado. Por otro lado voy a explicar por que no voto a Lance. En lo personal no tengo nada contra Lance, siempre hemos tenido un trato amable y distendido entre ambos, siempre me pareció una buena persona. Ahora sí, yo tengo mucho contra lo que representa, no quiero a una persona que desde el 2006 hasta el 2015 no asistió nunca a una reunión, no trabajo nunca en la región, no participo de ninguna teleconferencia y solo lo he visto cuando tenemos reuniones cara a cara con tickets pagados por ICANN. Tampoco me gusta que sea una proveedor de servicios de Internet, por que para las organizaciones que trabajamos en defensa al consumidor ese es el enemigo, el que nos estafa, nos cobra demás, incumple contratos, etc. No digo que el haga eso, solo digo que los empresarios del sector representan eso para nosotros. LACRALO es el espacio donde participamos los usuarios finales y no las empresas. Yo nunca me metería a trabajar en el espacio de las empresas, los ISP, los registrars o registries, yo espero lo mismo por parte de ellos. A eso llamo respeto. Si ellos tienen ONG, Fundaciones u organizaciones benéficas para cumplir con la llamada responsabilidad empresaria, tener esas organizaciones no los habilita para ser una organización de usuarios de Internet o que pueda representar esos intereses, a lo sumo podrá representar los intereses de las empresas...no los nuestros. Sobre lo del Staff, es incomprensible y por demás frustrante, espero que despues de esto tomemos tiempo para que nos expliquen que paso. No es la primera vez que pasan estas cosas en la región, yo tengo en mi memoria lo que sucedió en el 2009... Esa es mi posición. *Sergio Salinas Porto Presidente Internauta Argentina Asociación Argentina de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.internauta.org.ar>/FeTIA <http://www.fetia.org.ar>/CTA <http://ctamdq.org.ar> FLUI- Federación Latinoamericana de Usuarios de Internet <http://www.fuilatin.org> facebook:salinasporto <http://www.facebook.com/salinasporto> & sergiosalinasII <http://www.facebook.com/sergiosalinasII> twitter:sergiosalinas <http://twitter.com/sergiosalinas> Google+: Sergio Salinas Porto <https://plus.google.com/104639152443153592254/posts> Hangout:presidencia@internauta.org.ar <Hangout%3Apresidencia(a)internauta.org.ar> / Pixelhub: salinasporto <http://pixelhub.me/salinasporto> Youtube: salinasporto <http://www.youtube.com/salinasporto> Skype:internautaargentina Mobi:+54 9 223 5 215819* *"Ojalá podamos ser desobedientes, cada vez que recibimos órdenes que humillan nuestra conciencia o violan nuestro sentido común" Eduardo Galeano*

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ???????? = UTF-8 b W2xhYy1kaXNjdXNzLWVzXSAgwr9FcyDDqXN0 = = UTF-8 q e_Tiresome_ = 27irregularidad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff =
by crg＠isoc-cr.org July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re:???????? = UTF-8 b W2xhYy1kaXNjdXNzLWVzXSAgwr9FcyDDqXN0 = = UTF-8 q e_Tiresome_ = 27irregularidad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = De: crg(a)isoc-cr.org Gracias Alberto Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez ISOC Costa Rica Capítulo skype carlos.raulg +506 8837 7176 (número de teléfono Nuevo !!!!) ________ Apartado 1571-1000 COSTA RICA El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:03 de la tarde, Alberto Soto <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> escribió: > Estimados, las discusiones groseras, agrias e insultantes terminaron hace > tiempo en LACRALO. Eso fue porque cuando alguien la iniciaba, no se > contestaba o se contestaba educadamente. > > Alejandro, gracias por hacerlo asÃ. > > Jose Ovidio, el tema de participaciÃ³n no estÃ¡ siendo tratado aquÃ, porque > aÃºn no tenemos mÃ©tricas. Esperemos solucionar esto pronto. > > Jackeline, el proceso eleccionario aÃºn no terminÃ³. > > Ahora quiero recordarles que el aÃ±o pasado fuimos Humberto y yo, Ãºnicos > postulantes. Debimos hacer votaciÃ³n y aceptar el resultado. Hubo quienes > votaron no, otros se abstuvieron y otros votaron por el si. > > El otro caso particular fue el de Natalia Enciso, Ãºnica postulante para > ALAC Member. Y fue el caso que tomamos como antecedente. > > El caso que citan de Sylvia Herlen Leite, no es correcto, no tenemos que > realizar elecciÃ³n para ese cargo. > > Hicimos una reuniÃ³n previa con el Staff y luego de tomada la decisiÃ³n > Lance fue avisado que se harÃa la votaciÃ³n, tomando como antecedente el > caso de Natalia. > > El proceso estÃ¡ en curso y finalizarÃ¡ con la votaciÃ³n. > > > > Saludos cordiales > > > > Alberto Soto > > > > > > *De:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto: > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] *En nombre de *Alejandro > Pisanty > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 06:53 p.m. > *Para:* LACRALO > *CC:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; Albert Daniels > *Asunto:* Re: [lac-discuss-en] Â¿Es Ã©ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra > Large At-Staff > > > > Carlton, > > > > voy a aceptar por Ãºltima vez tu uso de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente > mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo serÃ¡ materia de trabajo del Ombudsman. Tu > vocabulario se traduce a palabras inaceptables en espaÃ±ol. > > > > El conflicto de interÃ©s de Lance no viene de su actividad empresarial > propia. El conflicto reside en su representaciÃ³n de negocios a travÃ©s de la > CÃ¡mara. Algunos de estos negocios tienen un conflcto estructural con los > usuarios porque los usuarios son clientes de sus servicios. > > > > Jacqueline, la expresiÃ³n de interÃ©s fue modificada y ampliada despuÃ©s de > empezar la elecciÃ³n. > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > Asunto: Re: Â¿Es Ã©ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff > De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com > > Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco mÃ¡s con la retÃ³rica. Y > no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clÃ¡sico [InglÃ©s] de > la palabra. > > > Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda. > > > Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a travÃ©s de un memorando de > entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con > At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; Ã©l es el Presidente > y su representante para LACRALO. > > > Devnet es una organizaciÃ³n no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las > TIC > servicios a los que estÃ¡n en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet > thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en Devnet > como la versiÃ³n de Guyana > Internauta usarios etc etc. > > > El hombre es el presidente de la CÃ¡mara de Comercio de Georgetown en > virtud de su > propiedad de una pequeÃ±a empresa; TecnologÃas BrainStreet. Ãl deriva su > ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Ãl no consigue > pagado como Presidente de la CÃ¡mara de Comercio de Georgetown. > > > AquÃ estÃ¡ el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe > tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al dÃ©ficit de capacidad. decir > eso > Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y tambiÃ©n representan los > intereses del usuario final cuando > Ã©l es presidente de una ONG - el que a travÃ©s de la que ha conectado a la > ICANN > sistema - sÃ³lo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros. > > > Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para > una cosa > u otro. > > > -Carlton > > > > > ============================== > Carlton Un Samuels > MÃ³vil: 876-818-1799 > * Estrategia, PlaneaciÃ³n, Gobierno, EvaluaciÃ³n y plazos de entrega * > ============================= > > > El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Baruch < > apisan(a)unam.mx> escribiÃ³: > > > > Carlton, > > > > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict > > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election > > was in course. > > > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM > > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > ------------------------------ > > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > *CC:* Albert Daniels > > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > > At-Large Staff > > > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is > > debilitating. > > > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot > > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I > must > > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just > > too much and I must break my silence. > > > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > > > Definitions of bullshit > > noun > > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > > verb > > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > > > > Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large > > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > > repeat it here for effect. > > > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly > [s]elected. Ã¢â¬â¹ > > > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election > > process into question. > > > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come > > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a > > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the > > first place! > > > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after > > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of > > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated > > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for > > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single > > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > > important ICANN councils. > > > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy > > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being > > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do > then. > > > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And > > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for > Lance > > Hinds. > > > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first > place. > > > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now > > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of > 'impropriety' > > raised! > > > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the > > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep > > at the switch. > > > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > > operating conditions are applied. > > > > Go figure. > > > > -Carlton Samuels > > > > ============================== > > Carlton A Samuels > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > ============================= > > > >> > >> > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/37bc88d03a.html --]]

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Re: �Es �ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco más con la retórica. Y no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clásico [Inglés] de la palabra. Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda. Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a través de un memorando de entendimiento con la ICANN y caucus con At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; él es el Presidente y su representante para LACRALO. Devnet es una organización no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las TIC servicios a los que están en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en Devnet como la versión de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc. El hombre es el presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown en virtud de su propiedad de una pequeña empresa; Tecnologías BrainStreet. Él deriva su ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Él no consigue pagado como Presidente de la Cámara de Comercio de Georgetown. Aquí está el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al déficit de capacidad. decir eso Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y también representan los intereses del usuario final cuando él es presidente de una ONG - el que a través de la que ha conectado a la ICANN sistema - sólo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros. Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para una cosa u otro. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega * ============================= El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan(a)unam.mx> escribió: > Carlton, > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election > was in course. > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃXICO SMS +525541444475 > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > ------------------------------ > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > *CC:* Albert Daniels > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > At-Large Staff > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is > debilitating. > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just > too much and I must break my silence. > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > Definitions of bullshit > noun > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > verb > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > âIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > repeat it here for effect. > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election > process into question. > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the > first place! > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > important ICANN councils. > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then. > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance > Hinds. > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place. > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' > raised! > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep > at the switch. > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > operating conditions are applied. > > Go figure. > > -Carlton Samuels > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > >> >> [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/cdc6d761c5.html --]]

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Re: �Es �ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
by apisan＠unam.mx July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ¿Es éste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff De: apisan(a)unam.mx Carlton, La cuestión es muy simple. Algunos de nosotros encontramos un conflicto irreconciliable de interés en SoI de Lance Hinds. Esto es evidente sólo una vez que la elección estaba en curso. Sencillo. No retórica necesario. Alejandro Pisanty - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de Química de la UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 México DF México + 52-1-5541444475 DESDE EL EXTRANJERO +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---- >> Unete una ISOC México, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________________________________ Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 Hasta: lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: Albert Daniels Reclamación [lac-discuss-es] Este Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Personal: Asunto Estoy tratando de vivir una vida larga y útil. Compromiso con LACRALO es debilitante. No estoy comulgante - lo dejé desde que tenía 14 años - así que no puedo depender de una "buena" a Dios por mi salvación. Así que para el objetivo, que hago lo que debo al evitar vejaciones a mi espíritu. Pero la mierda - Espero que la palabra se traduce bien en español - es simplemente demasiado y debo romper mi silencio. En caso de que la traducción se destrozado, esto es lo que quiero decir con bullshit: Definiciones de mierda sustantivo hablar o escribir estúpido o falsa; tonterías. verbo hablar tonterías a (alguien), normalmente para ser equívoca o engañosa. Es engañoso, incluso deshonesto, para alegar la mala conducta por parte del personal de At-Large en este caso y voy a decir por qué. Jacqueline ya ha sucintamente descrito el caso clásico, pero voy a repetir aquí para el efecto. En algunas partes del mundo donde se establecen las reglas para [s] las elecciones y donde este ejercicio de la democracia es la rutina, un candidato satisfagan todos los demás criterios y nominado para un puesto sin oposición es debidamente [s] electo. Pero esto es LACRALO donde nuestra comprensión colectiva del proceso es, bueno, déjame ser generosos y decir desigual, en el mejor. Simplemente no entendemos que no se puede negar o subvertir la parte del proceso de nominación sin llamar a la totalidad de [s] proceso electoral en tela de juicio. Así, caminamos milla extra para dar a los que no entienden el tiempo para venir, lentamente. Esa es la base de la encuesta de consenso - note que es una encuesta - y eso que en el Caribe se molestó en ir junto con eso en el primer lugar! Como el personal se lo habría dicho de At-Large todos ustedes, esto no es lo mismo para otra RALO. Han madurado tanto en el pensamiento y la acción. ¿Por qué esto me molesta, te preguntarás? Debido a que se hace viejo y cansado después de intentarlo durante tanto tiempo. Y ya que veja mi espíritu, corro el riesgo real de la reducción de la vida y su calidad cuanto más Caucus aquí. Ahora, a los hipócritas. Te pido perdón por no ser un buen cristiano. Yo simplemente detesto la hipocresía. En la selección de un candidato Comité de nominaciones este año, nuestro estimado colega de Brasil y titular, Sylvia Leite Herlein, fue nominado sin oposición. Me entusiasmo apoyado su candidatura, no sólo sólo por el hecho de que había realizado en el post.Pero realmente creo que un solo término de 1 año no da la región en beneficio de su servicio y experiencia, ni permita que la región para construir la influencia que tenemos en los consejos de la ICANN muy importantes. Yo personalmente desanimado - sí, desalentados - otras nominaciones para enturbiar el camino a su nueva selección. Fuimos junto con Jacqueline Morris se deselecciona después de un solo año. Tal vez eso era lo que no debía hacer a continuación. Con oposición [s] la elección de Sylvia, ningún sondeo consenso tuvo lugar. Y el personal de At-Large notificó el mundo de la misma manera como lo hicieron para Lance Hinds. No era que en el Caribe no se dio cuenta. Más bien, es porque nunca nos hemos sentido cualquier encuesta era necesario, en primer lugar. Comparemos entonces hasta ahora. No había ni un gemido de queja de nuestros amigos ya antiguos de decoro LACRALO, ni una sola alegación de 'indecencia' levantó! Así que ahora, me pregunto, ¿cuál es la diferencia aquí? Podemos o bien asumimos los guardianes de la corrección LACRALO estaban apagadas afanosamente chuparse el dedo, incluso dormido en el interruptor. O, en este caso para Lance Hinds nominación y selección, se aplican otras condiciones de funcionamiento. Imagínate. -Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Móvil: 876-818-1799 Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos de entrega ============================= [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/30615c8de6.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad =
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com July 23, 2015

July 23, 2015

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: ??????? = UTF-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = UTF-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Personal aridad = De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Yo estoy defendiendo la santidad del proceso electoral y el concepto de democracia. No he ido a todas las cuestiones acerca de Alex "conflicto de interés "u otras cuestiones que la gente tiene con el ALAC electo representante. Si hubiera problemas, el tiempo que aguantar otros nominados eran adecuada, y ha pasado de largo. La integridad del proceso requiere que ustedes respetarlo y aceptar el resultado de que sus nominaciones (o la falta del mismo) han llegado con. Me parece penoso ver a tantos esfuerzos para subvertir el curso de democracia. Jacqueline Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y Gratis. (Después de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> ) El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:52 de la tarde, <salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul > A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity = > From: salgueiro.jo(a)gmail.com > > What I see is many people defending the candidacy of Lance Hinds > but he does not appear to defend like never appeared in a meeting > ALAC conference call or in 10 years. > > > JOS > > > 07/23/2015 17:17 GMT-04: 30 <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> : > > > > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] > > > > Asunto: Re: Â¿Es Ã©ste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff > > De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com > > > > Alex, fue el SoI no presentÃ³ durante la fase de nominaciÃ³n? Si habÃa una > > conflicto entonces, por quÃ© no se planteÃ³ entonces? Â¿Por quÃ© sÃ³lo ahora, > > mucho despuÃ©s de la > > proceso electoral ha terminado, el nombramiento ratificado por el ALAC y > > anunciado pÃºblicamente, de acuerdo con las lÃneas de tiempo del ALAC? > > Entiendo que > > algunos podrÃan ser molesto porque no pagaban cerrar suficiente > atenciÃ³n, > > pero yo sÃ > > no veo ninguna justificaciÃ³n para todo el proceso que se deshace. > > No habÃa problema con el proceso electoral de todo el correo electrÃ³nico > > que tengo > > leer. Era justo y correcto y saliÃ³ de acuerdo a todas las normas y > > reglamentos. Para tratar de subvertir ahora porque no te gusta el > > resultado es muy mala gobernanza y una traiciÃ³n a los principios > > democrÃ¡ticos. > > Si hay un problema, a continuaciÃ³n, pruebe a utilizar un proceso de > > recuperaciÃ³n si es que existe, pero > > por favor no atornillar con la integridad del proceso electoral. > > Estoy particularmente apasionado sobre esto, ya que actualmente estoy > > trabajando para nuestra > > Nacional de Elecciones, y hay el mismo tipo de actividades que se > > realizan - > > estamos en un grupo de vigilancia para mantener el proceso democrÃ¡tico > > transparente y justo. YO > > no puede sentarse y observar cÃ³mo se sobornÃ³ en LACRALO. > > Jacqueline > > > > > > Jacqueline A. Morris > > La tecnologÃa debe ser como el oxÃgeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y > > Gratis. (DespuÃ©s de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> > ) > > > > > > El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro > Pisanty > > Baruch < > > apisan(a)unam.mx> escribiÃ³: > > > > > > > Carlton, > > > > > > > > > The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable > conflict > > > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the > election > > > was in course. > > > > > > Simple. No rhetoric needed. > > > > > > Alejandro Pisanty > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > > > Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM > > > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > > > > > > > > > > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD > > > > > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃâ°XICO SMS +525541444475 > > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > > > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > > > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > > > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > ------------------------------ > > > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > > > lac-discuss-en-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > > > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > > > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 > > > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > *CC:* Albert Daniels > > > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against > > > At-Large Staff > > > > > > I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO > is > > > debilitating. > > > > > > I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so > cannot > > > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I > > must > > > by avoiding vexations to my spirit. > > > > > > But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is > just > > > too much and I must break my silence. > > > > > > In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: > > > > > > Definitions of bullshit > > > noun > > > stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. > > > verb > > > talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive. > > > > > > > > > Ã¢â¬â¹It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by > At-Large > > > staff in this instance and I will tell you why. > > > > > > Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will > > > repeat it here for effect. > > > > > > In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and > > > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all > > > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly > > [s]elected. Ã¢â¬â¹ > > > > > > But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process > > > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best. > > > > > > We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the > > > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire > [s]election > > > process into question. > > > > > > So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to > come > > > along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it > is a > > > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in > the > > > first place! > > > > > > As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for > > > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action. > > > > > > Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome > after > > > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk > of > > > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here. > > > > > > Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good > > > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. > > > > > > In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed > > > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was > nominated > > > unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only > for > > > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a > single > > > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and > > > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very > > > important ICANN councils. > > > > > > I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to > muddy > > > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris > being > > > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do > > then. > > > > > > With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. > And > > > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for > > Lance > > > Hinds. > > > > > > It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is > > > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first > > place. > > > > > > Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our > now > > > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of > > 'impropriety' > > > raised! > > > > > > So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume > the > > > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even > asleep > > > at the switch. > > > > > > Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other > > > operating conditions are applied. > > > > > > Go figure. > > > > > > -Carlton Samuels > > > > > > ============================== > > > Carlton A Samuels > > > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > > > ============================= > > > > > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/3e349b5e36.html --]]

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