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[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re:???????? = Windows-1252 q = BFEs_ = E9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregu windows-1252 q laridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = De: chris.lahatte@icann.org ¿Puedo pedir que las partes hacen frente a los problemas. Creo que hay algunas opiniones fuertes, pero no hay una encuesta en curso, y tal vez a la espera de que esto sea completado puede ser el mejor curso en la actualidad. Si se analizan las cuestiones entonces podemos abandonar el lenguaje más fuerte usado. Si alguien quiere llegar a mí por favor, hágalo sin embargo. Saludos Enviado desde mi iPad El 24/07/2015, a las 9:54 de la mañana, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com<mailto:apisanty@gmail.com> > Escribió: Carlton, voy a Aceptar por ltima Vez tu USO de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente Mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo sermateria DE TRABAJO DEL Defensor del Pueblo. Tu vocabulario se Traduce una Palabras inaceptables en espaol. El conflicto de inters de la lanza sin Viene de Do empresarial activity Propia.El conflicto reside en su representacin de Negocios a travs de la Cmara. ALGUNOS de Estós Negocios Tienen ONU conflcto estructural con los Usuarios Porque Usuarios hijo los Clientes de Sus Servicios. Jacqueline, la expresin de semiproductos FUE MODIFICADA ampliada y despus de Empezar la eleccin. Alejandro Pisanty El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:46 de la tarde, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Escribió: [[--Translated Texto (en -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: 'irregularidad' Es ste Tiresome Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar ms Poco ONU de la estafa retrica. Y sin please, acepto Que Estoy utilizando el SENTIDO Clásico [Ingls] de la palabra. Lo que sé es Alega Puramente desafortunado mierda. Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN un travs de la ONU memorando de Entendimiento con la con la ICANN y caucus At-Large y LACRALO Como Representante de DevNet; l es el Presidente Y Su LACRALO Representante párr. Devnet Es Una organizacin no gubernamental Que Provee Desarrollo de las TIC Servicios a Los Que estn en El lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet Representa thusly Los intereses de los Usuarios Finales. De Piense en Devnet Como la versin de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc. El hombre es el presidente de la Cmara de Comercio de Georgetown en Virtud de su Propiedad De Una versión pequea; Tecnologas BrainStreet. l deriva Do income, su salario digno, Principalmente de ESE negocio.l sin CONSIGUE Pagado Como Presidente de la Cmara de Comercio de Georgetown. Problema Aquestel. No Es Para inusual Los Que Estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su Llamado de respuesta al dficit de Capacidad.Decir eso Lanza no Puede Ser Un hombre de Negocios y tambin representan Los intereses del usuario CUANDO definitiva l es presidente De Una ONG - El que un travs de La que ha Conectado a la ICANN sistema - slo se PARECE delirante párrafo ALGUNOS de Nosotros. Al Menos párrafo Aquellos de Nosotros en el Caribe hijo Que Una Voluntarios párrafo cosa u Otro. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Mvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluaciny Plazos de entrega * ============================= El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > Escribi:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÃXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
âIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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Dear Chris, aquí no hay partes, esto es LACRALO, para mi no existen divisiones ni partes. Hay quienes están desconformes con una decisión y otros están de acuerdo. Alguien se expresa en término no adecuados y otros correctamente. Todos tienen derecho a expresarse, pero correctamente y con fundamentos correctos. Todos tenemos que hacer lo necesario para que no haya enfrentamientos, y eso es lo que tratamos de hace. Saludos cordiales Alberto Soto -----Mensaje original----- De: lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:lac-discuss-es-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de chris.lahatte@icann.org Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 07:17 p.m. Para: lac-discuss-es@atlarge-lists.icann.org CC: lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org; LACRALO; Albert Daniels Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] ???????? = Windows-1252 q = BFEs_ = E9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregu windows-1252 q laridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re:???????? = Windows-1252 q = BFEs_ = E9ste_Tiresome_ = = = 27irregu windows-1252 q laridad = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff = De: chris.lahatte@icann.org ¿Puedo pedir que las partes hacen frente a los problemas. Creo que hay algunas opiniones fuertes, pero no hay una encuesta en curso, y tal vez a la espera de que esto sea completado puede ser el mejor curso en la actualidad. Si se analizan las cuestiones entonces podemos abandonar el lenguaje más fuerte usado. Si alguien quiere llegar a mí por favor, hágalo sin embargo. Saludos Enviado desde mi iPad El 24/07/2015, a las 9:54 de la mañana, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty@gmail.com<mailto:apisanty@gmail.com> > Escribió: Carlton, voy a Aceptar por ltima Vez tu USO de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente Mensaje con lenguaje ofensivo sermateria DE TRABAJO DEL Defensor del Pueblo. Tu vocabulario se Traduce una Palabras inaceptables en espaol. El conflicto de inters de la lanza sin Viene de Do empresarial activity Propia.El conflicto reside en su representacin de Negocios a travs de la Cmara. ALGUNOS de Estós Negocios Tienen ONU conflcto estructural con los Usuarios Porque Usuarios hijo los Clientes de Sus Servicios. Jacqueline, la expresin de semiproductos FUE MODIFICADA ampliada y despus de Empezar la eleccin. Alejandro Pisanty El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:46 de la tarde, <carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> > Escribió: [[--Translated Texto (en -> es) -]] Asunto: Re: 'irregularidad' Es ste Tiresome Contra Large At-Staff De: carlton.samuels@gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com> Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar ms Poco ONU de la estafa retrica. Y sin please, acepto Que Estoy utilizando el SENTIDO Clásico [Ingls] de la palabra. Lo que sé es Alega Puramente desafortunado mierda. Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN un travs de la ONU memorando de Entendimiento con la con la ICANN y caucus At-Large y LACRALO Como Representante de DevNet; l es el Presidente Y Su LACRALO Representante párr. Devnet Es Una organizacin no gubernamental Que Provee Desarrollo de las TIC Servicios a Los Que estn en El lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet Representa thusly Los intereses de los Usuarios Finales. De Piense en Devnet Como la versin de Guyana Internauta usarios etc etc. El hombre es el presidente de la Cmara de Comercio de Georgetown en Virtud de su Propiedad De Una versión pequea; Tecnologas BrainStreet. l deriva Do income, su salario digno, Principalmente de ESE negocio.l sin CONSIGUE Pagado Como Presidente de la Cmara de Comercio de Georgetown. Problema Aquestel. No Es Para inusual Los Que Estamos en el Caribe tener muchas vidas; Su Llamado de respuesta al dficit de Capacidad.Decir eso Lanza no Puede Ser Un hombre de Negocios y tambin representan Los intereses del usuario CUANDO definitiva l es presidente De Una ONG - El que un travs de La que ha Conectado a la ICANN sistema - slo se PARECE delirante párrafo ALGUNOS de Nosotros. Al Menos párrafo Aquellos de Nosotros en el Caribe hijo Que Una Voluntarios párrafo cosa u Otro. -Carlton ============================== Carlton Un Samuels Mvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planeación, Gobierno, Evaluaciny Plazos de entrega * ============================= El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch < apisan@unam.mx <mailto:apisan@unam.mx> > Escribi:
Carlton,
The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in course.
Simple. No rhetoric needed.
Alejandro Pisanty
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
+52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
+525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ------------------------------ *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org> [ lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org>] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@gmail.com<mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com>] *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03 *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org<mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org> *CC:* Albert Daniels *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large Staff
I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is debilitating.
I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too much and I must break my silence.
In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
Definitions of bullshit noun stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense. verb talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
​It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it here for effect.
In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. ​
But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into question.
So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the first place!
As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' raised!
So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at the switch.
Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating conditions are applied.
Go figure.
-Carlton Samuels
============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* =============================
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