March 2012 - lac-discuss-es

Re: [lac-discuss-es] Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Ok - esa es otra cuestión de la traducción. Ignorante no era una palabra usada por mí. Yo, básicamente, miró a cada elemento, miró a los estatutos, correos electrónicos, otros documentos, material de otros, etc RALO y pensado para una pareja día. Mis comentarios eran estrictamente en el documento, no en las personas que lo creó, o en consideración de las mociones ni nada de eso. Tuve que lidiar con el documento como una propuesta de comentario en la lista, ya que era presentado a mí. Y dado que otros enviaron sus observaciones a la lista, yo era confundido en cuanto a por qué los demás podía comentar sin hacer referencia a RP, pero no mí. Así que vamos a seguir adelante en el contenido, y no saltar a conclusiones basadas en acordó una mala traducción! Mirando hacia adelante a ver la semana que viene. El 05 de marzo 2012 7:28 PM ", Natalia Enciso" <natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Dear Jaqueline, I am sorry if I sounded agressive it was not my intention. > It might be an interpretation mistake. > I am trying to put things in order at my office before travelling, thats > why I just sent a quick message. > If we are expressing our feelings I also felt ofended when saying that we > are ignorant. > I regret this is happening. I felt discriminated just because I wasn`t > from the begining I cannot have and express my opinion. > I don`t know who did ask about comments but what Fatima sent was the > proposal to discuss in the GA which according to the RoP is the proper > place to do this. > > Take care, > Natalia > > > > 2012/3/5 Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> > >> Does Rule 11 apply to comments requested on a proposal? >> I was asked, as were we all, to comment on the draft as sent by Sylvia. I >> took my time, considered carefully and thoughtfully, and, like Vanda, and >> others, sent my comments as requested. >> I really didn't expect such a quick reply, which suggests that my >> comments were not as studied by you as the proposal was studied by me over >> the past four days. I also didn't expect the tone, but maybe, given the >> kind of messages that have been posted recently, I might have been naive to >> expect differently. >> Jacqueline >> On Mar 5, 2012 6:10 PM, "Natalia Enciso" <natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Please proceed according to rule 11, thanks. >>> >>> Rule 11 - Resolutions and Amendments >>> 11.1 Draft resolutions and amendments may be proposed by the >>> participants referred to in Rule 1 and shall be transmitted in >>> writing to the Secretariat of the Assembly, which shall circulate >>> copies to all participants. >>> 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be >>> discussed or put to the >>> vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no >>> case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of >>> the Assembly. >>> >>> Should a vote in a virtual meeting not be quorate, then the chair shall >>> extend the close of the vote for an equal amount of time as the original >>> voting period. By the end of this extension, no quorum will be >>> required. APPROVED >>> >>> >>> 2012/3/5 Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> Dear All: >>>> Plus 1 to these observations. >>>> >>>> Plus 1 for the recommendations contained here. >>>> >>>> - Carlton Samuels >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> Carlton A Samuels >>>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >>>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >>>> ============================= >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jacqueline Morris >>>> <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>wrote: >>>> >>>> > Sorry I have taken so long - I really wanted to do proper research and >>>> > make reasoned, logical comments in line with the role of the RALOs, >>>> > the values and MSH model of ICANN, and the ALAC improvements. I also >>>> > looked at the original emails around the formation of the RALOs to >>>> > refresh my memory as to why certain specific clauses were in the >>>> > Operating Principles. >>>> > >>>> > I tried not to make it an academic treatise with loads of references >>>> > and footnotes, but I do have them, in case anyone would like to know >>>> > more about why I made specific comments. >>>> > >>>> > Also sorry for the length of the document - I could not make it >>>> > shorter, try as I might. >>>> > >>>> > Comments on the proposal for modification of the LACRALO Operating >>>> > Principles and Rules of Procedure >>>> > >>>> > In general, I believe that the items contained in the proposal are >>>> > overly broad and sweeping, will change the entire character of the >>>> > LACRALO, and not for the better. They seem designed to create a >>>> > massive bureaucratic organisation in which there are almost 30% >>>> > chiefs, with few workers, and also seem designed to discard both the >>>> > diverse nature of LACRALO and any pretense of democracy that remains >>>> > in the organisation. >>>> > >>>> > To specifics:: >>>> > >>>> > Paragraph 2: >>>> > >>>> > This item is designed to allow for rules to be created to allow >>>> > individual participation in LACRALO. This is something that has been >>>> > in process for five years. Instead of treating with the substantive >>>> > theme of this item, increased participation by all end-users in the >>>> > region, the proposed modification seeks to insert participation >>>> > requirements to limit participation by the ALSes, and ignores the >>>> > individual user. >>>> > >>>> > I suggest that the proposed modification be stricken, and a motion >>>> > proposed instead that states: >>>> > >>>> > Whereas >>>> > Individuals who wish to participate in LACRALO are not able to so do >>>> > solely because there is no accredited ALS in their country; >>>> > We propose that >>>> > Any individual seeking to participate must: >>>> > be a permanent resident of one of the countries/territories in the LAC >>>> > region as defined by ICANN, >>>> > not be a member of a certified ALS. >>>> > Such individuals will be allowed to join LACRALO as individual >>>> > members and participate in LACRALO activities including votes. >>>> > Such individuals will be subject to all LACRALO rules and >>>> requirements. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Along with this, we propose a modification to the text of para 1 of >>>> > the Operating Principles: >>>> > >>>> > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the >>>> > Caribbean accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure >>>> > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN >>>> > policies >>>> > >>>> > to >>>> > >>>> > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the >>>> > Caribbean region as defined by ICANN, as well as qualified individual >>>> > members, accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure >>>> > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN >>>> > policies >>>> > >>>> > Proposed new text is shown in bold. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Paragraph 4 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > This proposal was the most difficult for me to wrap my mind around. To >>>> > me, it seemed simply ridiculous. However, I will attempt to break it >>>> > down and deal with each item. >>>> > >>>> > LACRALOs supreme and sovereign governing body will be a General >>>> > Assembly. >>>> > >>>> > This is inconsistent with the actuality of the LACRALO. The LACRALO >>>> > only exists inside of and subject to ICANN, via the ALAC. Hence the >>>> > insertion of the terms supreme and sovereign just seems ridiculous >>>> > to me, and I suggest those terms be stricken and the original language >>>> > retained. >>>> > >>>> > The governing body of the LACRALO will be a General Assembly >>>> > >>>> > Next: >>>> > >>>> > Each ALS accredited in the General Assembly will be entitled to one >>>> > vote. >>>> > >>>> > This removes the weighting provision that was specifically imposed to >>>> > allow countries with fewer ALSes by virtue of smaller populations to >>>> > have a more equitable voice alongside larger countries which may have >>>> > many more ALSes. Removal of this provision will lead to capture of the >>>> > LACRALO by larger countries, and I strongly object to the removal of >>>> > the weighting system, and request that this text be stricken. >>>> > >>>> > Next: >>>> > Said representatives shall also act for the duration of their >>>> > appointment as official contacts of the ALS vis-à-vis the LACRALO,with >>>> > the duties to keep their e-mails updated, to inform the Secretariat >>>> > and the At-Large Staff of any change in same or in the names of said >>>> > representatives. >>>> > >>>> > Just a wording change here - emails should be changed to email >>>> > addresses >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > The removal of the text referring to LACRALO operating by consensus is >>>> > against the values and principles of ICANN, which operates by >>>> > consensus in all its activities, and I strongly request that it be >>>> > retained. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Chair, Vice Chair, Secretariat, Vice Seecretariat, ALAC >>>> > representatives, alternates, and Board. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > This is patently ridiculous. The creation of a THIRTEEN member Board >>>> > of LACRALO is unnecessary, overly bureaucratic and unworkable. I >>>> > suggest this entire modification be stricken. >>>> > >>>> > Diversity requirements shall not be applicable among incumbent and >>>> > alternate members with respect to each other. >>>> > >>>> > I totally disagree. Diversity requirements are needed to balance the >>>> > voices of the much larger Latin American sub-region with the much >>>> > smaller Caribbean region. Removal of diversity requirements will leave >>>> > the smaller countries of the Caribbean without a voice in LACRALO. >>>> > >>>> > In the case of the election, the affiliation, residency and >>>> > nationality coincidence of same with the ALS country represented, >>>> > shall also be taken into account with respect to the person acting as >>>> > a >>>> > representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC [sic] appointed by the >>>> > Nominating Committee >>>> > (NOMCOM) >>>> > >>>> > This is counter to the ICANN bylaws governing the NomCom. The >>>> > Nominating Committee reports only to the Board, and has extreme >>>> > latitude in determining who they select. Additionally, the NomCom does >>>> > not select any representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC. The >>>> > NomCom selects appointees to the ALAC from specific regions, including >>>> > the LAC, to act on behalf of ICANN and ALAC, in their capacity as >>>> > individuals. These individuals are NOT selected to act on behalf of >>>> > the LAC, and far less the LACRALO, hence the nationality of the person >>>> > chosen should have no bearing on the diversity requirements within the >>>> > LACRALO.The language of this paragraph shows a serious >>>> > misunderstanding of, or disagreement with, the Bylaw-mandated role of >>>> > the NomCom. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > . Each of >>>> > these representatives shall have an alternate with the same powers as >>>> > the incumbent in the event of resignation, absence, inability, >>>> > incompatibilities or decease of the latter. Each incumbent and >>>> > alternate shall be elected in the same election. For the purpose of >>>> > better continuity in the discussion of policies, said representatives >>>> > shall be renewed every other term, one representative having to be >>>> > elected each year >>>> > Text note: Should be former in line 2, not latter. >>>> > This is, I believe contrary to ICANNs by-laws. LACRALO cannot simply >>>> > create an alternate & send them to an ALAC meeting as representative >>>> > with the same powers as the incumbent in the event of resignation, >>>> > absence, inability, incompatibilities or decease of the latter. The >>>> > rules for representatives to ALAC are clear and stated in the ICANN >>>> > bylaws. >>>> > >>>> > What I believe LACRALO can do is select an alternate in case of >>>> > resignation, death or any other reason that the ALAC rep cannot >>>> > fulfill the term, and submit that name to the ALAC in that case. >>>> > However, until and unless those circumstances arise, the alternate as >>>> > elected by LACRALO cannot have the same powers as the incumbent in >>>> > the event of resignation, absence, inability, incompatibilities or >>>> > decease of the latter, as such powers are granted by ALAC, and cannot >>>> > be granted by LACRALO. >>>> > >>>> > This proposal is basically a massive overreach on the part of LACRALO, >>>> > to usurp the powers granted in the ICANN bylaws to ALAC. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > These five Policy Directors shall be selected by the Board members >>>> > elected by the General Assembly. Each of them shall be entitled to one >>>> > vote and decisions shall be taken by simple majority. >>>> > >>>> > Unnecessary, bureaucratic and undemocratic. This proposes a Board, >>>> > created with no diversity requirement, in which over one-third of the >>>> > members are hand-picked by the other members. If this is not obvious >>>> > to all as the creation of a cabal, then ideas of good governance are >>>> > sorely lacking. >>>> > >>>> > First Temporary Provision. The modifications established with the >>>> > present reform, will be >>>> > considered applicable to the terms of the current Chair and >>>> > Secretariat of LACRALO, which are in power at the time of approval of >>>> > these modifications by LACRALOs General Assembly. >>>> > >>>> > This is contrary to all notions of good governance. >>>> > >>>> > Second Temporary Provision. The Board of LACRALO shall be constituted >>>> > from the first election to be conducted immediately after these >>>> > modifications are approved. >>>> > >>>> > Having strongly disagreed with the formation of the Board, it is >>>> > obvious I will disagree with this proposal. >>>> > >>>> > For the purposes of constituting the first Board of LACRALO, those >>>> > positions that have already been put to vote, it having been >>>> > impossible to elect their respective alternates, shall be responsible >>>> > for selecting their respective alternates for one time only. >>>> > >>>> > Setting up for corruption and cabal-ism. NO. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Jacqueline A. Morris >>>> > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >>>> > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com >>> >>> > > > -- > natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/4a71da340c.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda
by natalia.enciso＠gmail.com March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda De: natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com Querida Jaqueline, lo siento si suena agresivo, no era mi intención. Podría ser un error de interpretación. Estoy tratando de poner las cosas en orden en mi oficina antes de viajar, eso es razón por la que acaba de enviar un mensaje rápido. Si estamos expresando nuestros sentimientos también me sentí ofende al decir que son ignorantes. Lamento que esto está sucediendo. Me sentí discriminado porque yo `t de la el principio que no puedo tener y expresar mi opinión. I don `t saber quién le preguntaron sobre los comentarios, pero lo que Fátima era el enviado propuesta para debatir en la Asamblea General que, de acuerdo a la retinopatía del prematuro es la adecuada lugar para hacer esto. Tenga cuidado, Natalia 03/05/2012 Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> > Does Rule 11 apply to comments requested on a proposal? > I was asked, as were we all, to comment on the draft as sent by Sylvia. I > took my time, considered carefully and thoughtfully, and, like Vanda, and > others, sent my comments as requested. > I really didn't expect such a quick reply, which suggests that my comments > were not as studied by you as the proposal was studied by me over the past > four days. I also didn't expect the tone, but maybe, given the kind of > messages that have been posted recently, I might have been naive to expect > differently. > Jacqueline > On Mar 5, 2012 6:10 PM, "Natalia Enciso" <natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Please proceed according to rule 11, thanks. >> >> Rule 11 - Resolutions and Amendments >> 11.1 Draft resolutions and amendments may be proposed by the >> participants referred to in Rule 1 and shall be transmitted in >> writing to the Secretariat of the Assembly, which shall circulate >> copies to all participants. >> 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be >> discussed or put to the >> vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no >> case less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of >> the Assembly. >> >> Should a vote in a virtual meeting not be quorate, then the chair shall >> extend the close of the vote for an equal amount of time as the original >> voting period. By the end of this extension, no quorum will be >> required. APPROVED >> >> >> 2012/3/5 Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> >> >>> Dear All: >>> Plus 1 to these observations. >>> >>> Plus 1 for the recommendations contained here. >>> >>> - Carlton Samuels >>> >>> ============================== >>> Carlton A Samuels >>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >>> ============================= >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jacqueline Morris >>> <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>wrote: >>> >>> > Sorry I have taken so long - I really wanted to do proper research and >>> > make reasoned, logical comments in line with the role of the RALOs, >>> > the values and MSH model of ICANN, and the ALAC improvements. I also >>> > looked at the original emails around the formation of the RALOs to >>> > refresh my memory as to why certain specific clauses were in the >>> > Operating Principles. >>> > >>> > I tried not to make it an academic treatise with loads of references >>> > and footnotes, but I do have them, in case anyone would like to know >>> > more about why I made specific comments. >>> > >>> > Also sorry for the length of the document - I could not make it >>> > shorter, try as I might. >>> > >>> > Comments on the proposal for modification of the LACRALO Operating >>> > Principles and Rules of Procedure >>> > >>> > In general, I believe that the items contained in the proposal are >>> > overly broad and sweeping, will change the entire character of the >>> > LACRALO, and not for the better. They seem designed to create a >>> > massive bureaucratic organisation in which there are almost 30% >>> > chiefs, with few workers, and also seem designed to discard both the >>> > diverse nature of LACRALO and any pretense of democracy that remains >>> > in the organisation. >>> > >>> > To specifics:: >>> > >>> > Paragraph 2: >>> > >>> > This item is designed to allow for rules to be created to allow >>> > individual participation in LACRALO. This is something that has been >>> > in process for five years. Instead of treating with the substantive >>> > theme of this item, increased participation by all end-users in the >>> > region, the proposed modification seeks to insert participation >>> > requirements to limit participation by the ALSes, and ignores the >>> > individual user. >>> > >>> > I suggest that the proposed modification be stricken, and a motion >>> > proposed instead that states: >>> > >>> > Whereas >>> > Individuals who wish to participate in LACRALO are not able to so do >>> > solely because there is no accredited ALS in their country; >>> > We propose that >>> > Any individual seeking to participate must: >>> > be a permanent resident of one of the countries/territories in the LAC >>> > region as defined by ICANN, >>> > not be a member of a certified ALS. >>> > Such individuals will be allowed to join LACRALO as individual >>> > members and participate in LACRALO activities including votes. >>> > Such individuals will be subject to all LACRALO rules and requirements. >>> > >>> > >>> > Along with this, we propose a modification to the text of para 1 of >>> > the Operating Principles: >>> > >>> > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the >>> > Caribbean accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure >>> > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN >>> > policies >>> > >>> > to >>> > >>> > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the >>> > Caribbean region as defined by ICANN, as well as qualified individual >>> > members, accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure >>> > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN >>> > policies >>> > >>> > Proposed new text is shown in bold. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Paragraph 4 >>> > >>> > >>> > This proposal was the most difficult for me to wrap my mind around. To >>> > me, it seemed simply ridiculous. However, I will attempt to break it >>> > down and deal with each item. >>> > >>> > LACRALOs supreme and sovereign governing body will be a General >>> > Assembly. >>> > >>> > This is inconsistent with the actuality of the LACRALO. The LACRALO >>> > only exists inside of and subject to ICANN, via the ALAC. Hence the >>> > insertion of the terms supreme and sovereign just seems ridiculous >>> > to me, and I suggest those terms be stricken and the original language >>> > retained. >>> > >>> > The governing body of the LACRALO will be a General Assembly >>> > >>> > Next: >>> > >>> > Each ALS accredited in the General Assembly will be entitled to one >>> > vote. >>> > >>> > This removes the weighting provision that was specifically imposed to >>> > allow countries with fewer ALSes by virtue of smaller populations to >>> > have a more equitable voice alongside larger countries which may have >>> > many more ALSes. Removal of this provision will lead to capture of the >>> > LACRALO by larger countries, and I strongly object to the removal of >>> > the weighting system, and request that this text be stricken. >>> > >>> > Next: >>> > Said representatives shall also act for the duration of their >>> > appointment as official contacts of the ALS vis-à-vis the LACRALO,with >>> > the duties to keep their e-mails updated, to inform the Secretariat >>> > and the At-Large Staff of any change in same or in the names of said >>> > representatives. >>> > >>> > Just a wording change here - emails should be changed to email >>> > addresses >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The removal of the text referring to LACRALO operating by consensus is >>> > against the values and principles of ICANN, which operates by >>> > consensus in all its activities, and I strongly request that it be >>> > retained. >>> > >>> > >>> > Chair, Vice Chair, Secretariat, Vice Seecretariat, ALAC >>> > representatives, alternates, and Board. >>> > >>> > >>> > This is patently ridiculous. The creation of a THIRTEEN member Board >>> > of LACRALO is unnecessary, overly bureaucratic and unworkable. I >>> > suggest this entire modification be stricken. >>> > >>> > Diversity requirements shall not be applicable among incumbent and >>> > alternate members with respect to each other. >>> > >>> > I totally disagree. Diversity requirements are needed to balance the >>> > voices of the much larger Latin American sub-region with the much >>> > smaller Caribbean region. Removal of diversity requirements will leave >>> > the smaller countries of the Caribbean without a voice in LACRALO. >>> > >>> > In the case of the election, the affiliation, residency and >>> > nationality coincidence of same with the ALS country represented, >>> > shall also be taken into account with respect to the person acting as >>> > a >>> > representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC [sic] appointed by the >>> > Nominating Committee >>> > (NOMCOM) >>> > >>> > This is counter to the ICANN bylaws governing the NomCom. The >>> > Nominating Committee reports only to the Board, and has extreme >>> > latitude in determining who they select. Additionally, the NomCom does >>> > not select any representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC. The >>> > NomCom selects appointees to the ALAC from specific regions, including >>> > the LAC, to act on behalf of ICANN and ALAC, in their capacity as >>> > individuals. These individuals are NOT selected to act on behalf of >>> > the LAC, and far less the LACRALO, hence the nationality of the person >>> > chosen should have no bearing on the diversity requirements within the >>> > LACRALO.The language of this paragraph shows a serious >>> > misunderstanding of, or disagreement with, the Bylaw-mandated role of >>> > the NomCom. >>> > >>> > >>> > . Each of >>> > these representatives shall have an alternate with the same powers as >>> > the incumbent in the event of resignation, absence, inability, >>> > incompatibilities or decease of the latter. Each incumbent and >>> > alternate shall be elected in the same election. For the purpose of >>> > better continuity in the discussion of policies, said representatives >>> > shall be renewed every other term, one representative having to be >>> > elected each year >>> > Text note: Should be former in line 2, not latter. >>> > This is, I believe contrary to ICANNs by-laws. LACRALO cannot simply >>> > create an alternate & send them to an ALAC meeting as representative >>> > with the same powers as the incumbent in the event of resignation, >>> > absence, inability, incompatibilities or decease of the latter. The >>> > rules for representatives to ALAC are clear and stated in the ICANN >>> > bylaws. >>> > >>> > What I believe LACRALO can do is select an alternate in case of >>> > resignation, death or any other reason that the ALAC rep cannot >>> > fulfill the term, and submit that name to the ALAC in that case. >>> > However, until and unless those circumstances arise, the alternate as >>> > elected by LACRALO cannot have the same powers as the incumbent in >>> > the event of resignation, absence, inability, incompatibilities or >>> > decease of the latter, as such powers are granted by ALAC, and cannot >>> > be granted by LACRALO. >>> > >>> > This proposal is basically a massive overreach on the part of LACRALO, >>> > to usurp the powers granted in the ICANN bylaws to ALAC. >>> > >>> > >>> > These five Policy Directors shall be selected by the Board members >>> > elected by the General Assembly. Each of them shall be entitled to one >>> > vote and decisions shall be taken by simple majority. >>> > >>> > Unnecessary, bureaucratic and undemocratic. This proposes a Board, >>> > created with no diversity requirement, in which over one-third of the >>> > members are hand-picked by the other members. If this is not obvious >>> > to all as the creation of a cabal, then ideas of good governance are >>> > sorely lacking. >>> > >>> > First Temporary Provision. The modifications established with the >>> > present reform, will be >>> > considered applicable to the terms of the current Chair and >>> > Secretariat of LACRALO, which are in power at the time of approval of >>> > these modifications by LACRALOs General Assembly. >>> > >>> > This is contrary to all notions of good governance. >>> > >>> > Second Temporary Provision. The Board of LACRALO shall be constituted >>> > from the first election to be conducted immediately after these >>> > modifications are approved. >>> > >>> > Having strongly disagreed with the formation of the Board, it is >>> > obvious I will disagree with this proposal. >>> > >>> > For the purposes of constituting the first Board of LACRALO, those >>> > positions that have already been put to vote, it having been >>> > impossible to elect their respective alternates, shall be responsible >>> > for selecting their respective alternates for one time only. >>> > >>> > Setting up for corruption and cabal-ism. NO. >>> > >>> > >>> > Jacqueline A. Morris >>> > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >>> > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > lac-discuss-en mailing list >>> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> lac-discuss-en mailing list >>> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com >> >> natalia.enciso @ gmail.com _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/cd9b13f5b0.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com ¿Tiene el artículo 11 se aplican a los comentarios solicitados en una propuesta? Se me pidió, ya que estábamos todos, hacer comentarios sobre el proyecto que fue enviado por Sylvia. Yo tomé mi tiempo, considerado con cuidado y reflexión, y, como Vanda, y otros, envió mis comentarios a lo solicitado. Yo realmente no esperaba una respuesta tan rápida, lo que sugiere que mis comentarios no fueron estudiados por lo que la propuesta fue estudiada por mí en el pasado cuatro días. Yo tampoco esperaba el tono, pero a lo mejor, teniendo en cuenta el tipo de Mensajes que han sido escritos recientemente, que podría haber sido ingenuo esperar diferente. Jacqueline El 05 de marzo 2012 18:10, "Natalia Enciso" <natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com> escribió: > Please proceed according to rule 11, thanks. > > Rule 11 - Resolutions and Amendments > 11.1 Draft resolutions and amendments may be proposed by the > participants referred to in Rule 1 and shall be transmitted in > writing to the Secretariat of the Assembly, which shall circulate > copies to all participants. > 11.2 As a general rule, no draft resolution or amendment shall be > discussed or put to the > vote unless it has been circulated sufficiently in advance, but in no case > less than two weeks, to all participants in the working languages of the > Assembly. > > Should a vote in a virtual meeting not be quorate, then the chair shall > extend the close of the vote for an equal amount of time as the original > voting period. By the end of this extension, no quorum will be > required. APPROVED > > > 2012/3/5 Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> > >> Dear All: >> Plus 1 to these observations. >> >> Plus 1 for the recommendations contained here. >> >> - Carlton Samuels >> >> ============================== >> Carlton A Samuels >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* >> ============================= >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jacqueline Morris >> <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>wrote: >> >> > Sorry I have taken so long - I really wanted to do proper research and >> > make reasoned, logical comments in line with the role of the RALOs, >> > the values and MSH model of ICANN, and the ALAC improvements. I also >> > looked at the original emails around the formation of the RALOs to >> > refresh my memory as to why certain specific clauses were in the >> > Operating Principles. >> > >> > I tried not to make it an academic treatise with loads of references >> > and footnotes, but I do have them, in case anyone would like to know >> > more about why I made specific comments. >> > >> > Also sorry for the length of the document - I could not make it >> > shorter, try as I might. >> > >> > Comments on the proposal for modification of the LACRALO Operating >> > Principles and Rules of Procedure >> > >> > In general, I believe that the items contained in the proposal are >> > overly broad and sweeping, will change the entire character of the >> > LACRALO, and not for the better. They seem designed to create a >> > massive bureaucratic organisation in which there are almost 30% >> > chiefs, with few workers, and also seem designed to discard both the >> > diverse nature of LACRALO and any pretense of democracy that remains >> > in the organisation. >> > >> > To specifics:: >> > >> > Paragraph 2: >> > >> > This item is designed to allow for rules to be created to allow >> > individual participation in LACRALO. This is something that has been >> > in process for five years. Instead of treating with the substantive >> > theme of this item, increased participation by all end-users in the >> > region, the proposed modification seeks to insert participation >> > requirements to limit participation by the ALSes, and ignores the >> > individual user. >> > >> > I suggest that the proposed modification be stricken, and a motion >> > proposed instead that states: >> > >> > Whereas >> > Individuals who wish to participate in LACRALO are not able to so do >> > solely because there is no accredited ALS in their country; >> > We propose that >> > Any individual seeking to participate must: >> > be a permanent resident of one of the countries/territories in the LAC >> > region as defined by ICANN, >> > not be a member of a certified ALS. >> > Such individuals will be allowed to join LACRALO as individual >> > members and participate in LACRALO activities including votes. >> > Such individuals will be subject to all LACRALO rules and requirements. >> > >> > >> > Along with this, we propose a modification to the text of para 1 of >> > the Operating Principles: >> > >> > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the >> > Caribbean accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure >> > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN >> > policies >> > >> > to >> > >> > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the >> > Caribbean region as defined by ICANN, as well as qualified individual >> > members, accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure >> > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN >> > policies >> > >> > Proposed new text is shown in bold. >> > >> > >> > >> > Paragraph 4 >> > >> > >> > This proposal was the most difficult for me to wrap my mind around. To >> > me, it seemed simply ridiculous. However, I will attempt to break it >> > down and deal with each item. >> > >> > LACRALOs supreme and sovereign governing body will be a General >> > Assembly. >> > >> > This is inconsistent with the actuality of the LACRALO. The LACRALO >> > only exists inside of and subject to ICANN, via the ALAC. Hence the >> > insertion of the terms supreme and sovereign just seems ridiculous >> > to me, and I suggest those terms be stricken and the original language >> > retained. >> > >> > The governing body of the LACRALO will be a General Assembly >> > >> > Next: >> > >> > Each ALS accredited in the General Assembly will be entitled to one >> > vote. >> > >> > This removes the weighting provision that was specifically imposed to >> > allow countries with fewer ALSes by virtue of smaller populations to >> > have a more equitable voice alongside larger countries which may have >> > many more ALSes. Removal of this provision will lead to capture of the >> > LACRALO by larger countries, and I strongly object to the removal of >> > the weighting system, and request that this text be stricken. >> > >> > Next: >> > Said representatives shall also act for the duration of their >> > appointment as official contacts of the ALS vis-à-vis the LACRALO,with >> > the duties to keep their e-mails updated, to inform the Secretariat >> > and the At-Large Staff of any change in same or in the names of said >> > representatives. >> > >> > Just a wording change here - emails should be changed to email >> > addresses >> > >> > >> > >> > The removal of the text referring to LACRALO operating by consensus is >> > against the values and principles of ICANN, which operates by >> > consensus in all its activities, and I strongly request that it be >> > retained. >> > >> > >> > Chair, Vice Chair, Secretariat, Vice Seecretariat, ALAC >> > representatives, alternates, and Board. >> > >> > >> > This is patently ridiculous. The creation of a THIRTEEN member Board >> > of LACRALO is unnecessary, overly bureaucratic and unworkable. I >> > suggest this entire modification be stricken. >> > >> > Diversity requirements shall not be applicable among incumbent and >> > alternate members with respect to each other. >> > >> > I totally disagree. Diversity requirements are needed to balance the >> > voices of the much larger Latin American sub-region with the much >> > smaller Caribbean region. Removal of diversity requirements will leave >> > the smaller countries of the Caribbean without a voice in LACRALO. >> > >> > In the case of the election, the affiliation, residency and >> > nationality coincidence of same with the ALS country represented, >> > shall also be taken into account with respect to the person acting as >> > a >> > representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC [sic] appointed by the >> > Nominating Committee >> > (NOMCOM) >> > >> > This is counter to the ICANN bylaws governing the NomCom. The >> > Nominating Committee reports only to the Board, and has extreme >> > latitude in determining who they select. Additionally, the NomCom does >> > not select any representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC. The >> > NomCom selects appointees to the ALAC from specific regions, including >> > the LAC, to act on behalf of ICANN and ALAC, in their capacity as >> > individuals. These individuals are NOT selected to act on behalf of >> > the LAC, and far less the LACRALO, hence the nationality of the person >> > chosen should have no bearing on the diversity requirements within the >> > LACRALO.The language of this paragraph shows a serious >> > misunderstanding of, or disagreement with, the Bylaw-mandated role of >> > the NomCom. >> > >> > >> > . Each of >> > these representatives shall have an alternate with the same powers as >> > the incumbent in the event of resignation, absence, inability, >> > incompatibilities or decease of the latter. Each incumbent and >> > alternate shall be elected in the same election. For the purpose of >> > better continuity in the discussion of policies, said representatives >> > shall be renewed every other term, one representative having to be >> > elected each year >> > Text note: Should be former in line 2, not latter. >> > This is, I believe contrary to ICANNs by-laws. LACRALO cannot simply >> > create an alternate & send them to an ALAC meeting as representative >> > with the same powers as the incumbent in the event of resignation, >> > absence, inability, incompatibilities or decease of the latter. The >> > rules for representatives to ALAC are clear and stated in the ICANN >> > bylaws. >> > >> > What I believe LACRALO can do is select an alternate in case of >> > resignation, death or any other reason that the ALAC rep cannot >> > fulfill the term, and submit that name to the ALAC in that case. >> > However, until and unless those circumstances arise, the alternate as >> > elected by LACRALO cannot have the same powers as the incumbent in >> > the event of resignation, absence, inability, incompatibilities or >> > decease of the latter, as such powers are granted by ALAC, and cannot >> > be granted by LACRALO. >> > >> > This proposal is basically a massive overreach on the part of LACRALO, >> > to usurp the powers granted in the ICANN bylaws to ALAC. >> > >> > >> > These five Policy Directors shall be selected by the Board members >> > elected by the General Assembly. Each of them shall be entitled to one >> > vote and decisions shall be taken by simple majority. >> > >> > Unnecessary, bureaucratic and undemocratic. This proposes a Board, >> > created with no diversity requirement, in which over one-third of the >> > members are hand-picked by the other members. If this is not obvious >> > to all as the creation of a cabal, then ideas of good governance are >> > sorely lacking. >> > >> > First Temporary Provision. The modifications established with the >> > present reform, will be >> > considered applicable to the terms of the current Chair and >> > Secretariat of LACRALO, which are in power at the time of approval of >> > these modifications by LACRALOs General Assembly. >> > >> > This is contrary to all notions of good governance. >> > >> > Second Temporary Provision. The Board of LACRALO shall be constituted >> > from the first election to be conducted immediately after these >> > modifications are approved. >> > >> > Having strongly disagreed with the formation of the Board, it is >> > obvious I will disagree with this proposal. >> > >> > For the purposes of constituting the first Board of LACRALO, those >> > positions that have already been put to vote, it having been >> > impossible to elect their respective alternates, shall be responsible >> > for selecting their respective alternates for one time only. >> > >> > Setting up for corruption and cabal-ism. NO. >> > >> > >> > Jacqueline A. Morris >> > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and >> > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > lac-discuss-en mailing list >> > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> lac-discuss-en mailing list >> lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org >> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en >> > > > > -- > natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/78022eca0a.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda
by natalia.enciso＠gmail.com March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda De: natalia.enciso(a)gmail.com Por favor proceda de acuerdo a la regla 11, gracias. Artículo 11 - Resoluciones y enmiendas 11.1 Los proyectos de resolución y las enmiendas pueden ser propuestas por el los participantes a que se refiere el Artículo 1 que se transmitirá en escrito a la Secretaría de la Asamblea, que distribuirá copias a todos los participantes. 11.2 Por regla general, ningún proyecto de resolución o enmienda podrá discutirse a o sometida a votar, a menos que haya sido comunicado con suficiente antelación, pero en ningún caso menos de dos semanas, a todos los participantes en las lenguas de trabajo de la Asamblea. ¿No debería un voto en una reunión virtual válidamente constituida, entonces el Presidente de la Junta extender el cierre de la votación para una misma cantidad de tiempo que el original período de votación. Al final de esta extensión, hay quórum será necesario. APROBADO 03/05/2012 Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com> > Dear All: > Plus 1 to these observations. > > Plus 1 for the recommendations contained here. > > - Carlton Samuels > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Jacqueline Morris > <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com>wrote: > > > Sorry I have taken so long - I really wanted to do proper research and > > make reasoned, logical comments in line with the role of the RALOs, > > the values and MSH model of ICANN, and the ALAC improvements. I also > > looked at the original emails around the formation of the RALOs to > > refresh my memory as to why certain specific clauses were in the > > Operating Principles. > > > > I tried not to make it an academic treatise with loads of references > > and footnotes, but I do have them, in case anyone would like to know > > more about why I made specific comments. > > > > Also sorry for the length of the document - I could not make it > > shorter, try as I might. > > > > Comments on the proposal for modification of the LACRALO Operating > > Principles and Rules of Procedure > > > > In general, I believe that the items contained in the proposal are > > overly broad and sweeping, will change the entire character of the > > LACRALO, and not for the better. They seem designed to create a > > massive bureaucratic organisation in which there are almost 30% > > chiefs, with few workers, and also seem designed to discard both the > > diverse nature of LACRALO and any pretense of democracy that remains > > in the organisation. > > > > To specifics:: > > > > Paragraph 2: > > > > This item is designed to allow for rules to be created to allow > > individual participation in LACRALO. This is something that has been > > in process for five years. Instead of treating with the substantive > > theme of this item, increased participation by all end-users in the > > region, the proposed modification seeks to insert participation > > requirements to limit participation by the ALSes, and ignores the > > individual user. > > > > I suggest that the proposed modification be stricken, and a motion > > proposed instead that states: > > > > Whereas > > Individuals who wish to participate in LACRALO are not able to so do > > solely because there is no accredited ALS in their country; > > We propose that > > Any individual seeking to participate must: > > be a permanent resident of one of the countries/territories in the LAC > > region as defined by ICANN, > > not be a member of a certified ALS. > > Such individuals will be allowed to join LACRALO as individual > > members and participate in LACRALO activities including votes. > > Such individuals will be subject to all LACRALO rules and requirements. > > > > > > Along with this, we propose a modification to the text of para 1 of > > the Operating Principles: > > > > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the > > Caribbean accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure > > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN > > policies > > > > to > > > > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the > > Caribbean region as defined by ICANN, as well as qualified individual > > members, accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure > > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN > > policies > > > > Proposed new text is shown in bold. > > > > > > > > Paragraph 4 > > > > > > This proposal was the most difficult for me to wrap my mind around. To > > me, it seemed simply ridiculous. However, I will attempt to break it > > down and deal with each item. > > > > LACRALOs supreme and sovereign governing body will be a General > > Assembly. > > > > This is inconsistent with the actuality of the LACRALO. The LACRALO > > only exists inside of and subject to ICANN, via the ALAC. Hence the > > insertion of the terms supreme and sovereign just seems ridiculous > > to me, and I suggest those terms be stricken and the original language > > retained. > > > > The governing body of the LACRALO will be a General Assembly > > > > Next: > > > > Each ALS accredited in the General Assembly will be entitled to one > > vote. > > > > This removes the weighting provision that was specifically imposed to > > allow countries with fewer ALSes by virtue of smaller populations to > > have a more equitable voice alongside larger countries which may have > > many more ALSes. Removal of this provision will lead to capture of the > > LACRALO by larger countries, and I strongly object to the removal of > > the weighting system, and request that this text be stricken. > > > > Next: > > Said representatives shall also act for the duration of their > > appointment as official contacts of the ALS vis-à-vis the LACRALO,with > > the duties to keep their e-mails updated, to inform the Secretariat > > and the At-Large Staff of any change in same or in the names of said > > representatives. > > > > Just a wording change here - emails should be changed to email > > addresses > > > > > > > > The removal of the text referring to LACRALO operating by consensus is > > against the values and principles of ICANN, which operates by > > consensus in all its activities, and I strongly request that it be > > retained. > > > > > > Chair, Vice Chair, Secretariat, Vice Seecretariat, ALAC > > representatives, alternates, and Board. > > > > > > This is patently ridiculous. The creation of a THIRTEEN member Board > > of LACRALO is unnecessary, overly bureaucratic and unworkable. I > > suggest this entire modification be stricken. > > > > Diversity requirements shall not be applicable among incumbent and > > alternate members with respect to each other. > > > > I totally disagree. Diversity requirements are needed to balance the > > voices of the much larger Latin American sub-region with the much > > smaller Caribbean region. Removal of diversity requirements will leave > > the smaller countries of the Caribbean without a voice in LACRALO. > > > > In the case of the election, the affiliation, residency and > > nationality coincidence of same with the ALS country represented, > > shall also be taken into account with respect to the person acting as > > a > > representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC [sic] appointed by the > > Nominating Committee > > (NOMCOM) > > > > This is counter to the ICANN bylaws governing the NomCom. The > > Nominating Committee reports only to the Board, and has extreme > > latitude in determining who they select. Additionally, the NomCom does > > not select any representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC. The > > NomCom selects appointees to the ALAC from specific regions, including > > the LAC, to act on behalf of ICANN and ALAC, in their capacity as > > individuals. These individuals are NOT selected to act on behalf of > > the LAC, and far less the LACRALO, hence the nationality of the person > > chosen should have no bearing on the diversity requirements within the > > LACRALO.The language of this paragraph shows a serious > > misunderstanding of, or disagreement with, the Bylaw-mandated role of > > the NomCom. > > > > > > . Each of > > these representatives shall have an alternate with the same powers as > > the incumbent in the event of resignation, absence, inability, > > incompatibilities or decease of the latter. Each incumbent and > > alternate shall be elected in the same election. For the purpose of > > better continuity in the discussion of policies, said representatives > > shall be renewed every other term, one representative having to be > > elected each year > > Text note: Should be former in line 2, not latter. > > This is, I believe contrary to ICANNs by-laws. LACRALO cannot simply > > create an alternate & send them to an ALAC meeting as representative > > with the same powers as the incumbent in the event of resignation, > > absence, inability, incompatibilities or decease of the latter. The > > rules for representatives to ALAC are clear and stated in the ICANN > > bylaws. > > > > What I believe LACRALO can do is select an alternate in case of > > resignation, death or any other reason that the ALAC rep cannot > > fulfill the term, and submit that name to the ALAC in that case. > > However, until and unless those circumstances arise, the alternate as > > elected by LACRALO cannot have the same powers as the incumbent in > > the event of resignation, absence, inability, incompatibilities or > > decease of the latter, as such powers are granted by ALAC, and cannot > > be granted by LACRALO. > > > > This proposal is basically a massive overreach on the part of LACRALO, > > to usurp the powers granted in the ICANN bylaws to ALAC. > > > > > > These five Policy Directors shall be selected by the Board members > > elected by the General Assembly. Each of them shall be entitled to one > > vote and decisions shall be taken by simple majority. > > > > Unnecessary, bureaucratic and undemocratic. This proposes a Board, > > created with no diversity requirement, in which over one-third of the > > members are hand-picked by the other members. If this is not obvious > > to all as the creation of a cabal, then ideas of good governance are > > sorely lacking. > > > > First Temporary Provision. The modifications established with the > > present reform, will be > > considered applicable to the terms of the current Chair and > > Secretariat of LACRALO, which are in power at the time of approval of > > these modifications by LACRALOs General Assembly. > > > > This is contrary to all notions of good governance. > > > > Second Temporary Provision. The Board of LACRALO shall be constituted > > from the first election to be conducted immediately after these > > modifications are approved. > > > > Having strongly disagreed with the formation of the Board, it is > > obvious I will disagree with this proposal. > > > > For the purposes of constituting the first Board of LACRALO, those > > positions that have already been put to vote, it having been > > impossible to elect their respective alternates, shall be responsible > > for selecting their respective alternates for one time only. > > > > Setting up for corruption and cabal-ism. NO. > > > > > > Jacqueline A. Morris > > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > natalia.enciso @ gmail.com _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/baed0cc1b1.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Convocatoria_de_candidaturas_para? == Iso-8859-1? Q? _la_LACRALO_Presidente_y_la_Secretar = EDa_para_2012-? == Iso-8859-1? Q? 2013? =
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Convocatoria_de_candidaturas_para? == Iso-8859-1? Q? _la_LACRALO_Presidente_y_la_Secretar = EDa_para_2012-? == Iso-8859-1? Q? 2013? = De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Estoy confundido por todas estas referencias para trabajar en secreto. ¿Es este un problema de traducción, o como Cintra se indica en su correo electrónico esta mañana, un va a dejar de lado deliberadamente a algunos miembros de la LACRALO? Todos estos comentarios tienden a hacerme pensar que hay algo real, las actividades de la sombra pasando en LACRALO? Por lo que yo sé, las reglas están ahí, e incluso si se tratara de suspendió, ignoró o se rompe en el año 2009, ¿por qué debemos seguir haciendo de la algo equivocado en el 2012? Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnología debe ser como el oxígeno: Ubicua, necesaria, invisible y Gratis. (AfterChris Lehmann) El Sol, 04 de marzo 2012 a las 7:53 PM, <asoto(a)ibero-americano.org> escribió: > > [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]] > > Subject: Re: =? Iso-8859-1? Q? Convocatoria_de_candidaturas_para? == Iso-8859-1? Q? _la_LACRALO_Presidente_y_la_Secretar = EDa_para_2012-? == Iso-8859-1? Q? 2013? = > From: asoto(a)ibero-americano.org > > Dear Dev and all > > > Dev, this is a paragraph shall send for you, "Asel artculo 13 is especfico > with respect to the choice of representatives LACRALO required a > two months' notice before any LACRALO Assembly convened for > elect representatives of LACRALO. Given that The term > of one year of the President and secrete ending April 14, 2012, the > call for applications must have started before mid- > February 2012 in LACRALO distribution list, but with the > LACRALO planning of events in Costa Rica, this call does not > was made. " > > > In fact, if The term of President and Secretary expires on 14 March > 2012, according to these articles the choice should call for having > made by the Secretary before February 9, 2012.And was not > breach of the provisions of the ROP. If requested by the choice hubiramos > the AG in Costa Rica, Cundo had made the choice? Despus of > the date of term? > > > Also I have seen several comments requesting compliance with the rules, and > including a possible veto According the last conference call, which only > I will join Adobe and haltingly because of bad > communication in my home. Unattested it were not veto or by whom. > Also comments on misrepresentations mails or work in secret. > > > In principle, I am attached to the rules, and therefore particularly > I demand. I see that in the General Assembly of Mxico not filled in > so, now the call for elections of President and Secretary, > either. In turn we ask flexibilizacin so they can register > two LAs than most think that should not be released. > And estexigiendo the compliance, but to the letter. There > an obvious contradiction ... > Really, I insist, I'm stuck to the rules, but to require > must first be met and became aquno or esthaciendo.No > groups working in secret or misrepresenting things, only people working, > setting an example to other members of the LAs. Pro other hand, there > another course of action, require no foundation and unfulfilled, really > removes the desire to work. And that was not settled with a session of > concientizacino knowledge with us in Costa Rica. Only > conducciny transparent management in the example, must motivation for > it. > I think they've completed all the orders that had secreted > done, and I would like to see this track in a good way, not > intiles confrontations and hostile comments that do not lead > absolutely nothing. > If this is ace, I have thought about my trip and desist from removing the Institute > as ALS. I want to work, I will not discuss intilmente and no results. > And really want to get, for the sake of Internet users, not > by us. > Best Regards > > > Alberto Soto > Director IIISI > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of > devtee(a)gmail.com > Posted on: Sunday, March 4, 2012 1:05 a.m. > To: lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Call for nominations for President and LACRALO > Secreted for 2012-2013 > > > > > [[- Translated text (in -> en) -]] > > > Subject: Call for nominations for President and LACRALO > Secreted for 2012-2013 > From: devtee(a)gmail.com > > > Hi all, > > > > > According to the Organization of LACRALO Documents ( > https://community.icann.org/x/Oo0i) > LACRALO and secrete LACRALO is one year each. > The terms of the current president and secrete LACRALO finalizarel > April 15, 2012. > > > > > The current president is JosFrancisco LACRALO Maple Ageia Densi > Argentina's current LACRALO is secreted Teelucksingh of Dev Anand > Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society > > > > > If there is any representative of an ALS accredited LACRALO > vlidas that wishes are for either > - The president of LACRALO. > or > - The position of secreted LACRALO, > > > > > ENVE an email to the Secretariat in admin(a)ttcsweb.org. > > > > > Note: > In accordance with the Rules of Procedure of the LACRALO, nominations > will be accepted by a period minimum of 4 weeks from the date of > the call for Nominations, with the choice that no tendrlugar > within 48 hours after the expiry of 8 weeks from the > date of the call for nominations. (Rules 13.1, 13.2, 13.3) > > > > > However, a GA was carried out LACRALO for the ingathering of ICANN > Costa Rica, Wednesdays from March 14, 2012. > > > > > Several ALS have expressed their intention to submit motions to the Assembly > General > allow the election of President and secrete LACRALO to take > place during the General Assembly. If these motions are approved by the > Assembly > then presented the list of candidates considered for this > type > choice. > > > > > --- > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > LACRALO Secretariat > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/a0703db211.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Estimado Alejandro: Probablemente le diría a partir de mis comentarios, que aunque no se ofrecen como propuestas de decisión como, sin embargo, no puedo apoyar las propuestas en juego. En segundo lugar, es para aquellos que están haciendo las propuestas a fin de prepararlos en el el modo y forma establecidos por las Reglas de Procedimiento LACRALO. Y cuando los que se presentan como tales y llega el momento, me opondré en el argumento. Y si una división es llamado por el presidente y su esencia siendo tal como se propone, votaré en contra de ellos. - Carlton ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= El lunes, 05 de marzo 2012 a las 3:37 PM, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan(a)unam.mx > wrote: > Carlton, > > at this hour I think you will show those values much better by putting > concrete proposals on the table, new or old. > > A esta hora, creo que el apego a esos valores se muestra mucho mejor > poniendo sobre la mesa propuestas concretas, nuevas o viejas. > > Alejandro Pisanty > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > *Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > . > > ________________________________________ > Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [ > lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton > Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > Enviado el: lunes, 05 de marzo de 2012 13:36 > Hasta: Vanda UOL > CC: Heidi Ullrich; LAC DISCUSS; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] my comments related the > ammendment > > Dear Vanda: > When I saw the proposal and knowing the background on the so-called WG and > the several proposals, I had concluded that what was eventually delivered > was thorough cynicism. It was a vexation to the spirit. So I concluded that > for me, the optimal response is that I shall be stuck 'mute of malice'. > > Seeing your contribution has allowed me the space to change my mind. I too > share your general concerns with these proposals. And I support the > explanations you have provided in almost all their details, including the > remedial suggestions. > > Your intervention demonstrates a deep understanding of the values we expect > a multistakeholder governance model should project and the means by which > that could be achieved. > > Best, > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Vanda UOL <vanda(a)uol.com.br> wrote: > > > Here my analysis to share with you all related to the proposal > amendments. > > I > > am not sure due my commit with NOMCOMM if I will will be able to > > participate > > in all sessions, so I decided to share my opinions with all of you. > > > > Point I have something to say in highlight below. > > > > Thanks > > > > VANDA > > > > > > Points proposed by one group > > > > My comments > > > > > > 1) the right of ALSes to vote in LACRALO affairs determined by a > > minimum level of participation > > > > This is positive > > > > > > 2) working languages expanded to French and Portuguese > > > > I donŽt see need and may be too expensive. But this is not a main > concern. > > ( but I donŽt see APRALO working in the more than 20 languages they have > > there > > > > > > 3) removes the concept of operating by consensus > > > > >From my point of view this is against one of ICANNŽs principle build > > consensus > > > > > > 4) creation of Vice President > > > > Those persons cannot be added to the normal representation at ALAC > > without > > the decision of ALAC itself. Not for LACRALO to decide. See also below > on > > item 8 > > > > > > 5) terms of President and Vice President eligible for two terms of 2 > > years each > > > > This make some sense, since representation in ALAC demands some degree of > > learning, so one year is short term indeed. But the second term shall > be > > one year to allow others to participate. > > > > > > 6) creation of Vice Secretariat position > > > > Same of vice president > > > > > > 7) LACRALO would elect 2 persons to serve on ALAC and 2 others as > > their > > > > respective alternates (diversity requirements shall not apply to elected > > ALAC member and their alternate). > > > > I disagree - diversity shall apply. The principles of ICANN states on > > diversity. The concentration of persons from just one country for > instance, > > is not democratic neither safe for the organization. ( imagine if the > two > > big countries Mexico and Brazil decide to make a strong movement to take > > over this group, can be control all the positions) really not safe. Must > > have diversity. > > > > > > 8) The alternate or deputy can assume the ALAC rep in case of any > > inability of the primary ALAC rep > > > > I believe this shall be submitted to ALAC, We cannot decide next time the > > member sent to ALAC meeting is another > > > > > > 9) the ALAC member can be re-elected for a 2nd two year term > > > > Reelection has the same principle 1 year for second term to allow others > > to > > participate. > > > > > > 10) creation of a LACRALO Directory or LACRALO Board with > administrative > > and operative functions. This will comprise the persons elected in > LACRALO > > (President, Vice-President, Secretary, Deputy Secretary, the two LACRALO > > elected representatives to ALAC and their alternates) and five Policy > > Directors who would lead different working groups within LACRALO and in > > charge of selecting members within their working groups. Policy Directors > > would be elected by the General Assembly by simple majority. > > > > > > > > In my opinion this will mean too much generals and no troops to > command > > but no impact at all. > > > > 3 would be good one member of Caribbean region and two from Latin > > region too keep diversity and at same time be reasonable ( there is no > > much members that really works in LACRALO so I donŽt believe it will be > > groups enough to work under 5 policy directors). But not so relevant > > > > > > 11) establishing that elections can take place virtually > > > > This is good, but needs clear tools must be available to avoid one > member > > to vote for all the ALSs under its command - only allow this after > > check the security of the tool. > > > > > > 12) amendments would be applicable to existing mandates of President, > > Secretary > > > > I am not in favor of that, only if was to have just one more year term. > > > > Application of the change in benefice of the existing elected members > looks > > manipulation. > > > > Same people can be candidate and be elected, but extending the mandate, > > looks not democratic. ThatŽs the way ditactors use to keeping in place > > Totally against. > > > > > > 13) The constitution of the Board of LACRALO be held after the first > > election to be held immediately at the time of these amendments be > > approved. > > > > Not so relevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vanda Scartezini > > > > Acesse: http://nomcom.icann.org e candidate-se! > > > > Access: http://nomcom.icann.org and apply! > > > > Polo Consultores Associados > > > > IT Trend > > > > Alameda Santos 1470 conj. 1407 > > > > 01418-903 São Paulo,SP, Brasil > > > > Tel + 5511 3266.6253 > > > > Mob + 55118181.1464 > > > > Dissemine esta idéia: > > > > Digite o dominio ao inves do telefone. > > > > Domain dialing > > > > Descrição: Descrição: Siter-16-square.png <http://www.siter.com> > > www.siter.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/6b305b72d2.html --]]

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my comments related the ammendment
by Vanda UOL March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

Here my analysis to share with you all related to the proposal amendments. I am not sure due my commit with NOMCOMM if I will will be able to participate in all sessions, so I decided to share my opinions with all of you. Point I have something to say in highlight below. Thanks VANDA Points proposed by one group My comments 1) the right of ALSes to vote in LACRALO affairs determined by a minimum level of participation This is positive 2) working languages expanded to French and Portuguese I don´t see need and may be too expensive. But this is not a main concern. ( but I don´t see APRALO working in the more than 20 languages they have there 3) removes the concept of operating by consensus >From my point of view this is against one of ICANN´s principle build consensus 4) creation of Vice President Those persons cannot be added to the normal representation at ALAC without the decision of ALAC itself. Not for LACRALO to decide. See also below on item 8 5) terms of President and Vice President eligible for two terms of 2 years each This make some sense, since representation in ALAC demands some degree of learning, so one year is short term indeed. But the second term shall be one year to allow others to participate. 6) creation of Vice Secretariat position Same of vice president 7) LACRALO would elect 2 persons to serve on ALAC and 2 others as their respective alternates (diversity requirements shall not apply to elected ALAC member and their alternate). I disagree - diversity shall apply. The principles of ICANN states on diversity. The concentration of persons from just one country for instance, is not democratic neither safe for the organization. ( imagine if the two big countries Mexico and Brazil decide to make a strong movement to take over this group, can be control all the positions) really not safe. Must have diversity. 8) The alternate or deputy can assume the ALAC rep in case of any inability of the primary ALAC rep I believe this shall be submitted to ALAC, We cannot decide next time the member sent to ALAC meeting is another 9) the ALAC member can be re-elected for a 2nd two year term Reelection has the same principle 1 year for second term to allow others to participate. 10) creation of a LACRALO Directory or LACRALO Board with administrative and operative functions. This will comprise the persons elected in LACRALO (President, Vice-President, Secretary, Deputy Secretary, the two LACRALO elected representatives to ALAC and their alternates) and five Policy Directors who would lead different working groups within LACRALO and in charge of selecting members within their working groups. Policy Directors would be elected by the General Assembly by simple majority. In my opinion this will mean too much generals and no troops to command but no impact at all. 3 would be good one member of Caribbean region and two from Latin region too keep diversity and at same time be reasonable ( there is no much members that really works in LACRALO so I don´t believe it will be groups enough to work under 5 policy directors). But not so relevant 11) establishing that elections can take place virtually This is good, but needs clear tools must be available to avoid one member to vote for all the ALSs under its command - only allow this after check the security of the tool. 12) amendments would be applicable to existing mandates of President, Secretary I am not in favor of that, only if was to have just one more year term. Application of the change in benefice of the existing elected members looks manipulation. Same people can be candidate and be elected, but extending the mandate, looks not democratic. That´s the way ditactors use to keeping in place Totally against. 13) The constitution of the Board of LACRALO be held after the first election to be held immediately at the time of these amendments be approved. Not so relevant. Vanda Scartezini Acesse: http://nomcom.icann.org e candidate-se! Access: http://nomcom.icann.org and apply! Polo Consultores Associados IT Trend Alameda Santos 1470 conj. 1407 01418-903 São Paulo,SP, Brasil Tel + 5511 3266.6253 Mob + 55118181.1464 Dissemine esta idéia: Digite o dominio ao inves do telefone. Domain dialing Descrição: Descrição: Siter-16-square.png <http://www.siter.com> www.siter.com

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda
by carlton.samuels＠gmail.com March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda De: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com Queridos todos: Además una de estas observaciones. Además una de las recomendaciones contenidas aquí. - Carlton Samuels ============================== Carlton Samuels A Móvil: 876-818-1799 * Estrategia, Planificación, Gobierno, Evaluación y plazos * ============================= El lunes, 05 de marzo 2012 a las 3:58 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com> escribió: > Sorry I have taken so long - I really wanted to do proper research and > make reasoned, logical comments in line with the role of the RALOs, > the values and MSH model of ICANN, and the ALAC improvements. I also > looked at the original emails around the formation of the RALOs to > refresh my memory as to why certain specific clauses were in the > Operating Principles. > > I tried not to make it an academic treatise with loads of references > and footnotes, but I do have them, in case anyone would like to know > more about why I made specific comments. > > Also sorry for the length of the document - I could not make it > shorter, try as I might. > > Comments on the proposal for modification of the LACRALO Operating > Principles and Rules of Procedure > > In general, I believe that the items contained in the proposal are > overly broad and sweeping, will change the entire character of the > LACRALO, and not for the better. They seem designed to create a > massive bureaucratic organisation in which there are almost 30% > chiefs, with few workers, and also seem designed to discard both the > diverse nature of LACRALO and any pretense of democracy that remains > in the organisation. > > To specifics:: > > Paragraph 2: > > This item is designed to allow for rules to be created to allow > individual participation in LACRALO. This is something that has been > in process for five years. Instead of treating with the substantive > theme of this item, increased participation by all end-users in the > region, the proposed modification seeks to insert participation > requirements to limit participation by the ALSes, and ignores the > individual user. > > I suggest that the proposed modification be stricken, and a motion > proposed instead that states: > > Whereas > Individuals who wish to participate in LACRALO are not able to so do > solely because there is no accredited ALS in their country; > We propose that > Any individual seeking to participate must: > be a permanent resident of one of the countries/territories in the LAC > region as defined by ICANN, > not be a member of a certified ALS. > Such individuals will be allowed to join LACRALO as individual > members and participate in LACRALO activities including votes. > Such individuals will be subject to all LACRALO rules and requirements. > > > Along with this, we propose a modification to the text of para 1 of > the Operating Principles: > > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the > Caribbean accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN > policies > > to > > 1. The LACRALO is composed of the ALSs of Latin America and the > Caribbean region as defined by ICANN, as well as qualified individual > members, accredited by the ALAC as a mechanism to promote and ensure > participation by regional users in the process of developing ICANN > policies > > Proposed new text is shown in bold. > > > > Paragraph 4 > > > This proposal was the most difficult for me to wrap my mind around. To > me, it seemed simply ridiculous. However, I will attempt to break it > down and deal with each item. > > LACRALOs supreme and sovereign governing body will be a General > Assembly. > > This is inconsistent with the actuality of the LACRALO. The LACRALO > only exists inside of and subject to ICANN, via the ALAC. Hence the > insertion of the terms supreme and sovereign just seems ridiculous > to me, and I suggest those terms be stricken and the original language > retained. > > The governing body of the LACRALO will be a General Assembly > > Next: > > Each ALS accredited in the General Assembly will be entitled to one > vote. > > This removes the weighting provision that was specifically imposed to > allow countries with fewer ALSes by virtue of smaller populations to > have a more equitable voice alongside larger countries which may have > many more ALSes. Removal of this provision will lead to capture of the > LACRALO by larger countries, and I strongly object to the removal of > the weighting system, and request that this text be stricken. > > Next: > Said representatives shall also act for the duration of their > appointment as official contacts of the ALS vis-à-vis the LACRALO,with > the duties to keep their e-mails updated, to inform the Secretariat > and the At-Large Staff of any change in same or in the names of said > representatives. > > Just a wording change here - emails should be changed to email > addresses > > > > The removal of the text referring to LACRALO operating by consensus is > against the values and principles of ICANN, which operates by > consensus in all its activities, and I strongly request that it be > retained. > > > Chair, Vice Chair, Secretariat, Vice Seecretariat, ALAC > representatives, alternates, and Board. > > > This is patently ridiculous. The creation of a THIRTEEN member Board > of LACRALO is unnecessary, overly bureaucratic and unworkable. I > suggest this entire modification be stricken. > > Diversity requirements shall not be applicable among incumbent and > alternate members with respect to each other. > > I totally disagree. Diversity requirements are needed to balance the > voices of the much larger Latin American sub-region with the much > smaller Caribbean region. Removal of diversity requirements will leave > the smaller countries of the Caribbean without a voice in LACRALO. > > In the case of the election, the affiliation, residency and > nationality coincidence of same with the ALS country represented, > shall also be taken into account with respect to the person acting as > a > representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC [sic] appointed by the > Nominating Committee > (NOMCOM) > > This is counter to the ICANN bylaws governing the NomCom. The > Nominating Committee reports only to the Board, and has extreme > latitude in determining who they select. Additionally, the NomCom does > not select any representative vis-à-vis ALAC on behalf of LAC. The > NomCom selects appointees to the ALAC from specific regions, including > the LAC, to act on behalf of ICANN and ALAC, in their capacity as > individuals. These individuals are NOT selected to act on behalf of > the LAC, and far less the LACRALO, hence the nationality of the person > chosen should have no bearing on the diversity requirements within the > LACRALO.The language of this paragraph shows a serious > misunderstanding of, or disagreement with, the Bylaw-mandated role of > the NomCom. > > > . Each of > these representatives shall have an alternate with the same powers as > the incumbent in the event of resignation, absence, inability, > incompatibilities or decease of the latter. Each incumbent and > alternate shall be elected in the same election. For the purpose of > better continuity in the discussion of policies, said representatives > shall be renewed every other term, one representative having to be > elected each year > Text note: Should be former in line 2, not latter. > This is, I believe contrary to ICANNs by-laws. LACRALO cannot simply > create an alternate & send them to an ALAC meeting as representative > with the same powers as the incumbent in the event of resignation, > absence, inability, incompatibilities or decease of the latter. The > rules for representatives to ALAC are clear and stated in the ICANN > bylaws. > > What I believe LACRALO can do is select an alternate in case of > resignation, death or any other reason that the ALAC rep cannot > fulfill the term, and submit that name to the ALAC in that case. > However, until and unless those circumstances arise, the alternate as > elected by LACRALO cannot have the same powers as the incumbent in > the event of resignation, absence, inability, incompatibilities or > decease of the latter, as such powers are granted by ALAC, and cannot > be granted by LACRALO. > > This proposal is basically a massive overreach on the part of LACRALO, > to usurp the powers granted in the ICANN bylaws to ALAC. > > > These five Policy Directors shall be selected by the Board members > elected by the General Assembly. Each of them shall be entitled to one > vote and decisions shall be taken by simple majority. > > Unnecessary, bureaucratic and undemocratic. This proposes a Board, > created with no diversity requirement, in which over one-third of the > members are hand-picked by the other members. If this is not obvious > to all as the creation of a cabal, then ideas of good governance are > sorely lacking. > > First Temporary Provision. The modifications established with the > present reform, will be > considered applicable to the terms of the current Chair and > Secretariat of LACRALO, which are in power at the time of approval of > these modifications by LACRALOs General Assembly. > > This is contrary to all notions of good governance. > > Second Temporary Provision. The Board of LACRALO shall be constituted > from the first election to be conducted immediately after these > modifications are approved. > > Having strongly disagreed with the formation of the Board, it is > obvious I will disagree with this proposal. > > For the purposes of constituting the first Board of LACRALO, those > positions that have already been put to vote, it having been > impossible to elect their respective alternates, shall be responsible > for selecting their respective alternates for one time only. > > Setting up for corruption and cabal-ism. NO. > > > Jacqueline A. Morris > Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and > Free. (after Chris Lehmann ) > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/e46882d228.html --]]

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Re: [lac-discuss-es] mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda
by carlosaguirre62＠hotmail.com March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Asunto: Re: mis comentarios relacionados con la Enmienda De: carlosaguirre62(a)hotmail.com Queridos todos: Algunas reflexiones personales: Fátima fue uno de los dos o tres que trabajó muy duro para tener alguna propuesta de nuestra Asamblea General, tratar de atacar a ella es una falta de respeto contra el fuerte de trabajo en nuestra región, máxime cuando quien la golpeó, se olvidó de presentar una propuesta alternativa para mejorar la proposed.I anterior, creo que tenemos un duro trabajo para hacer en nuestra Asamblea, sobre todo tratando de identificar a personas que trabajan en serio, e identificar que sólo hacen comentarios acerca de los comentarios, pero sin ninguna propuesta clara. Espero que podamos demostrar nuestra posibilidad de trabajar juntos y desarrollar un buen trabajo. Para ello, primero es necesario dejar las aspiraciones personales y pensar en la región. Dios ilumine nuestras acciones. Queridos Todos: ALGUNAS Reflexiones Personales: FUE UNO Ftima de los doso tres, párr Que trabajmuy duro tener Alguna propuesta de nuestraGA, TRATAR de atacar un Ella Es UNA Falta de Respeto Contra el Fuerte de Trabajo en Nuestra Regin, Quien la mxime CUANDO UNA golpese olviddepresentar propuesta Alternativa párrafo anterior MEJORAR LA propuesta.Creo Que tenemos de las Naciones Unidas de Trabajo difcil HACER ES Nuestra Asamblea General, en especial tratando de identificar una Personas Que trabajan en serio, e identificar Que slo Hacen Comentarios ACERCA de los Comentarios, Pero el pecado Ninguna propuesta clara.Espero Que podamos demostrar Nuestra posibilidad de Trabajar Juntos y desarrollar Un buen Trabajo. Para Ello, Primero es necessary DEJAR las Aspiraciones Personales y Pensar en la regin. Dios ilumine Nuestras Acciones .. Carlos Dionisio Aguirre NCA Consejo de la GNSO - ICANN el ex miembro de ALAC por LACRALO Abogado - Especialista en Derecho de los Negocios Sarmiento 71 - 4to. 18 CÃ³rdoba - Argentina - * 54-351-424-2123 / 423-5423 http://ar.ageiadensi.org > From: apisan(a)unam.mx > To: carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com; vanda(a)uol.com.br > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:37:08 +0000 > CC: Heidi.Ullrich(a)icann.org; lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [lac-discuss-es] my comments related the ammendment > > Carlton, > > at this hour I think you will show those values much better by putting concrete proposals on the table, new or old. > > A esta hora, creo que el apego a esos valores se muestra mucho mejor poniendo sobre la mesa propuestas concretas, nuevas o viejas. > > Alejandro Pisanty > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Dr. Alejandro Pisanty > UNAM, Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico > > Tels. +52-(1)-55-5105-6044, +52-(1)-55-5418-3732 > > *Mi blog/My blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com > *LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty > *Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 > *Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org > Participa en ICANN, http://www.icann.org > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > ________________________________________ > Desde: lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org [lac-discuss-es-bounces(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels(a)gmail.com] > Enviado el: lunes, 05 de marzo de 2012 13:36 > Hasta: Vanda UOL > CC: Heidi Ullrich; LAC DISCUSS; lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] my comments related the ammendment > > Dear Vanda: > When I saw the proposal and knowing the background on the so-called WG and > the several proposals, I had concluded that what was eventually delivered > was thorough cynicism. It was a vexation to the spirit. So I concluded that > for me, the optimal response is that I shall be stuck 'mute of malice'. > > Seeing your contribution has allowed me the space to change my mind. I too > share your general concerns with these proposals. And I support the > explanations you have provided in almost all their details, including the > remedial suggestions. > > Your intervention demonstrates a deep understanding of the values we expect > a multistakeholder governance model should project and the means by which > that could be achieved. > > Best, > - Carlton > > ============================== > Carlton A Samuels > Mobile: 876-818-1799 > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround* > ============================= > > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Vanda UOL <vanda(a)uol.com.br> wrote: > > > Here my analysis to share with you all related to the proposal amendments. > > I > > am not sure due my commit with NOMCOMM if I will will be able to > > participate > > in all sessions, so I decided to share my opinions with all of you. > > > > Point I have something to say in highlight below. > > > > Thanks > > > > VANDA > > > > > > Points proposed by one group > > > > My comments > > > > > > 1) the right of ALSes to vote in LACRALO affairs determined by a > > minimum level of participation > > > > This is positive > > > > > > 2) working languages expanded to French and Portuguese > > > > I donŽt see need and may be too expensive. But this is not a main concern. > > ( but I donŽt see APRALO working in the more than 20 languages they have > > there > > > > > > 3) removes the concept of operating by consensus > > > > >From my point of view this is against one of ICANNŽs principle build > > consensus > > > > > > 4) creation of Vice President > > > > Those persons cannot be added to the normal representation at ALAC > > without > > the decision of ALAC itself. Not for LACRALO to decide. See also below on > > item 8 > > > > > > 5) terms of President and Vice President eligible for two terms of 2 > > years each > > > > This make some sense, since representation in ALAC demands some degree of > > learning, so one year is short term indeed. But the second term shall be > > one year to allow others to participate. > > > > > > 6) creation of Vice Secretariat position > > > > Same of vice president > > > > > > 7) LACRALO would elect 2 persons to serve on ALAC and 2 others as > > their > > > > respective alternates (diversity requirements shall not apply to elected > > ALAC member and their alternate). > > > > I disagree - diversity shall apply. The principles of ICANN states on > > diversity. The concentration of persons from just one country for instance, > > is not democratic neither safe for the organization. ( imagine if the two > > big countries Mexico and Brazil decide to make a strong movement to take > > over this group, can be control all the positions) really not safe. Must > > have diversity. > > > > > > 8) The alternate or deputy can assume the ALAC rep in case of any > > inability of the primary ALAC rep > > > > I believe this shall be submitted to ALAC, We cannot decide next time the > > member sent to ALAC meeting is another > > > > > > 9) the ALAC member can be re-elected for a 2nd two year term > > > > Reelection has the same principle 1 year for second term to allow others > > to > > participate. > > > > > > 10) creation of a LACRALO Directory or LACRALO Board with administrative > > and operative functions. This will comprise the persons elected in LACRALO > > (President, Vice-President, Secretary, Deputy Secretary, the two LACRALO > > elected representatives to ALAC and their alternates) and five Policy > > Directors who would lead different working groups within LACRALO and in > > charge of selecting members within their working groups. Policy Directors > > would be elected by the General Assembly by simple majority. > > > > > > > > In my opinion this will mean too much generals and no troops to command > > but no impact at all. > > > > 3 would be good one member of Caribbean region and two from Latin > > region too keep diversity and at same time be reasonable ( there is no > > much members that really works in LACRALO so I donŽt believe it will be > > groups enough to work under 5 policy directors). But not so relevant > > > > > > 11) establishing that elections can take place virtually > > > > This is good, but needs clear tools must be available to avoid one member > > to vote for all the ALSs under its command - only allow this after > > check the security of the tool. > > > > > > 12) amendments would be applicable to existing mandates of President, > > Secretary > > > > I am not in favor of that, only if was to have just one more year term. > > > > Application of the change in benefice of the existing elected members looks > > manipulation. > > > > Same people can be candidate and be elected, but extending the mandate, > > looks not democratic. ThatŽs the way ditactors use to keeping in place > > Totally against. > > > > > > 13) The constitution of the Board of LACRALO be held after the first > > election to be held immediately at the time of these amendments be > > approved. > > > > Not so relevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vanda Scartezini > > > > Acesse: http://nomcom.icann.org e candidate-se! > > > > Access: http://nomcom.icann.org and apply! > > > > Polo Consultores Associados > > > > IT Trend > > > > Alameda Santos 1470 conj. 1407 > > > > 01418-903 São Paulo,SP, Brasil > > > > Tel + 5511 3266.6253 > > > > Mob + 55118181.1464 > > > > Dissemine esta idéia: > > > > Digite o dominio ao inves do telefone. > > > > Domain dialing > > > > Descrição: Descrição: Siter-16-square.png <http://www.siter.com> > > www.siter.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > lac-discuss-en mailing list > > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en > > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-es mailing list > lac-discuss-es(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es > > http://www.lacralo.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > lac-discuss-en mailing list > lac-discuss-en(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org > https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/038481bdc7.html --]]

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Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda
by jam＠jacquelinemorris.com March 5, 2012

March 5, 2012

[[--Translated text (en -> es)--]] Tema: Mis comentarios relacionados con la enmienda De: jam(a)jacquelinemorris.com Lo siento, hemos tardado tanto tiempo - Tenía muchas ganas de hacer la investigación apropiada y la que razonada, los comentarios lógicos en línea con el papel de las Organizaciones regionales de alcance, los valores y el modelo de MSH de la ICANN, y las mejoras de ALAC. Yo también miró a los correos electrónicos originales en torno a la formación de las Organizaciones regionales de alcance a refrescar la memoria de por qué ciertas cláusulas específicas se encontraban en el Principios de funcionamiento. Traté de no hacer un tratado académico con un montón de referencias y las notas, pero lo que sí los tiene, por si alguien quiere saber Más información acerca de por qué me hizo comentarios específicos. También lo siento por la extensión del documento - que no podía hacerlo más corto, que lo intentara. Comentarios sobre la propuesta de modificación del funcionamiento de LACRALO Principios y Normas de Procedimiento En general, creo que los elementos contenidos en la propuesta son excesivamente amplia y general, va a cambiar todo el carácter de la LACRALO, y no para mejor.Parecen diseñados para crear una organización masiva burocrático en el que hay casi 30% jefes, con pocos trabajadores, y también parecen diseñadas para descartar tanto la la naturaleza diversa de LACRALO y cualquier pretensión de democracia que queda en la organización. Para detalles :: Párrafo 2: Este artículo está diseñado para permitir que las reglas se crearon para permitir que la participaciÃ³n individual en LACRALO. Esto es algo que ha sido en proceso de cinco aÃ±os. En lugar de tratar con el sustantivo el tema de este artÃculo, el aumento de la participaciÃ³n de todos los usuarios finales en el regiÃ³n, la propuesta de modificaciÃ³n tiene por objeto aÃ±adir la participaciÃ³n requisitos para limitar la participaciÃ³n de los ALS, e ignora el usuario individual. Sugiero que la modificaciÃ³n propuesta se suprima, y \u200b\u200bun movimiento propuso en su lugar establece que: Mientras Las personas que deseen participar en LACRALO no son capaces de hacerlo sÃ³lo porque no hay ELA acreditados en su paÃs; Proponemos que Cualquier persona que desee participar deberÃ¡: ser un residente permanente de uno de los paÃses y territorios en la regiÃ³n de ALC regiÃ³n, definida por la ICANN, no ser miembro de una esclerosis lateral amiotrÃ³fica certificados. Estas personas podrÃ¡n unirse a LACRALO como individuo miembros y participar en las actividades de LACRALO incluyendo los votos. Estas personas estarÃ¡n sujetas a todas las reglas y los requisitos de LACRALO. Junto con esto, se propone una modificaciÃ³n al texto del pÃ¡rrafo 1 del los Principios de funcionamiento: 1. La LACRALO estÃ¡ compuesto por el ALS de AmÃ©rica Latina y el El Caribe acreditados por el ALAC como un mecanismo para promover y garantizar la la participaciÃ³n de los usuarios de la regiÃ³n en el proceso de desarrollo de la ICANN polÃticas a 1. La LACRALO estÃ¡ compuesto por el ALS de AmÃ©rica Latina y el La regiÃ³n del Caribe como se define por la ICANN, asÃ como la persona calificada miembros, acreditados por el ALAC como un mecanismo para promover y garantizar la la participaciÃ³n de los usuarios de la regiÃ³n en el proceso de desarrollo de la ICANN polÃticas Nuevo texto propuesto se muestra en negrita. El pÃ¡rrafo 4 Esta propuesta fue la mÃ¡s difÃcil para mÃ, para envolver alrededor de mi mente. A Me parecÃa simplemente ridÃculo. Sin embargo, voy a tratar de romper hacia abajo y hacer frente a cada artÃculo. LACRALOs Ã³rgano supremo y soberano de gobierno serÃ¡ la Asamblea General. Esto es inconsistente con la realidad de la LACRALO. La LACRALO sÃ³lo existe dentro de y con sujeciÃ³n a la ICANN, a travÃ©s de la ALAC. Por lo tanto el la inserciÃ³n de la suprema tÃ©rminos y soberano sÃ³lo parece ridÃculo para mÃ, y yo sugiero esos tÃ©rminos se suprima el idioma original retenido. El Ã³rgano rector de la LACRALO una Asamblea General Siguiente: Cada ALS acreditadas en la Asamblea General tendrÃ¡n derecho a un voto. Esto elimina la disposiciÃ³n de ponderaciÃ³n que se le impuso especÃficamente para permitir a los paÃses con menos ALS, en virtud de las poblaciones mÃ¡s pequeÃ±as de tener una voz mÃ¡s equitativa junto con los paÃses mÃ¡s grandes que pueden tener ALS muchos mÃ¡s. La eliminaciÃ³n de esta disposiciÃ³n darÃ¡ lugar a la captura del LACRALO por los paÃses mÃ¡s grandes, y me opongo firmemente a la eliminaciÃ³n de el sistema de ponderaciÃ³n, y solicitar que se suprima este texto. Siguiente: AdemÃ¡s, dichos representantes deberÃ¡n actuar en nombre de la duraciÃ³n de su nombramiento como contactos oficiales de la esclerosis lateral amiotrÃ³fica vis - vis la LACRALO, con los deberes para mantener sus mensajes de correo electrÃ³nico actualizada para informar a la SecretarÃa y el personal de At-Large de cualquier cambio en la misma o en los nombres de dichos representantes. SÃ³lo un cambio de redacciÃ³n aquÃ - mensajes de correo electrÃ³nico debe ser cambiado a direcciones de correo electrÃ³nico La eliminaciÃ³n del texto que se refiere a la operaciÃ³n LACRALO por consenso es en contra de los valores y principios de la ICANN, que opera por el consenso en todas sus actividades, y creo firmemente solicitar que sea retenido. Presidente, Vicepresidente, SecretarÃa, Vice Seecretariat, ALAC representantes, suplentes y de la Junta. Esto es patentemente ridÃculo. La creaciÃ³n de un Consejo de trece miembros de LACRALO es necesario, la excesiva burocracia e inviable. Yo sugieren que esta modificaciÃ³n de todo el ser herido. Los requisitos de la diversidad no serÃ¡ aplicable entre los titulares y miembros alternos con respecto a la otra. Estoy totalmente en desacuerdo.Los requisitos de la diversidad son necesarias para equilibrar el voces del mÃ¡s grande de AmÃ©rica Latina sub-regiÃ³n con la mÃ¡s pequeÃ±a regiÃ³n del Caribe. La eliminaciÃ³n de los requisitos de la diversidad dejarÃ¡ los paÃses mÃ¡s pequeÃ±os del Caribe no tienen voz en LACRALO. En el caso de la elecciÃ³n, la afiliaciÃ³n de la, residencia y coincidencia de la nacionalidad de los mismos con el paÃs representado ELA, TambiÃ©n deberÃ¡ tenerse en cuenta con respecto a la persona que actÃºa como un representante de vis - vis ALAC, en nombre de AmÃ©rica Latina [sic] nombrado por el ComitÃ© de Nominaciones (NomCom) Esto es contrario a los estatutos de la ICANN que regulan el ComitÃ© de nominaciones. La ComisiÃ³n de Nombramientos informa sÃ³lo a la Junta, y tiene extrema la latitud en la determinaciÃ³n de quiÃ©n eligen. AdemÃ¡s, el ComitÃ© de Nominaciones hace No seleccione ningÃºn representante vis - vis ALAC, en nombre de AmÃ©rica Latina. La ComitÃ© de nominaciones selecciona personas designadas para el ALAC de regiones especÃficas, incluyendo de la LAC, para actuar en nombre de la ICANN y el ALAC, en su calidad de individuos.Estas personas no son seleccionados para actuar en nombre de la regiÃ³n de ALC, y mucho menos la LACRALO, por lo tanto, la nacionalidad de la persona elegido no debe tener influencia sobre los requisitos de la diversidad dentro de la Lenguaje LACRALO.The de este pÃ¡rrafo muestra una seria falta de comprensiÃ³n de, o en desacuerdo con la funciÃ³n estatutaria de el ComitÃ© de nominaciones. . Cada uno de estos representantes, tendrÃ¡ un suplente con los mismos poderes que el titular en caso de renuncia, ausencia, incapacidad, incompatibilidades o de fallecimiento de este Ãºltimo. Cada titular y suplente serÃ¡n elegidos en la misma elecciÃ³n. A fin de una mayor continuidad en la discusiÃ³n de las polÃticas, dijo que los representantes se renovarÃ¡ cada dos perÃodos, un representante que tenga que ser elegidos cada aÃ±o Nota Texto: Debe ser anterior en la lÃnea 2, no en la segunda. Esta es, creo yo en contra de la ICANN de los estatutos. LACRALO no puede simplemente crear una alternativa y enviarlas a una reuniÃ³n de ALAC como representante con las mismas facultades que el titular en caso de renuncia, ausencia, incapacidad, incompatibilidades o de fallecimiento de este Ãºltimo. Los reglas para los representantes en ALAC son claras y se indica en el ICANN estatutos. Lo que yo creo LACRALO puede hacer es seleccionar una alternativa en caso de renuncia, muerte o cualquier otra razÃ³n que el representante de ALAC no puede cumplir con el plazo, y afirman que el nombre a la ALAC, en ese caso. Sin embargo, hasta ya menos que las circunstancias se presentan, el suplente que elegido por LACRALO no puede tener las mismas facultades que el titular de caso de renuncia, ausencia, incapacidad, incompatibilidades o fallecimiento de este Ãºltimo, ya que tales poderes son otorgados por ALAC, y no puede ser otorgada por LACRALO. Esta propuesta es, bÃ¡sicamente, una enorme extralimitaciÃ³n por parte de LACRALO, de usurpar las atribuciones conferidas en los estatutos de la ICANN a ALAC. Estos cinco directores de polÃtica serÃ¡n seleccionados por los miembros de la Junta elegidos por la Asamblea General. Cada uno de ellos tendrÃ¡ derecho a una voto y las decisiones se tomarÃ¡n por mayorÃa simple. Innecesario, burocrÃ¡tico y antidemocrÃ¡tico. Este propone una Junta Directiva, creado con ningÃºn requisito diversidad, en el que mÃ¡s de un tercio de la miembros son elegidos por los demÃ¡s miembros. Si esto no es obvio por todos como la creaciÃ³n de una cÃ¡bala, entonces las ideas del buen gobierno son brilla por su ausencia. DisposiciÃ³n Transitoria Primera. Las modificaciones establecidas con el presente reforma, serÃ¡ considera aplicable a los tÃ©rminos del actual Presidente y SecretarÃa de LACRALO, que estÃ¡n en el poder en el momento de la aprobaciÃ³n de estas modificaciones por parte de LACRALOs Asamblea General. Esto es contrario a toda nociÃ³n de buen gobierno. DisposiciÃ³n Transitoria Segunda. El Consejo de LACRALO se constituirÃ¡ a partir de la primera elecciÃ³n que se llevÃ³ a cabo inmediatamente despuÃ©s de que Ã©stos modificaciones son aprobadas. DespuÃ©s de haber desacuerdo con la formaciÃ³n de la Junta, es obvio que no estarÃ¡n de acuerdo con esta propuesta. A los efectos de constituir la primera Junta de LACRALO, los posiciones que ya han sido sometidas a votaciÃ³n, habiendo sido imposible elegir a sus respectivos suplentes, serÃ¡n responsables para la selecciÃ³n de sus respectivos suplentes por una sola vez. ConfiguraciÃ³n de la corrupciÃ³n y la cÃ¡bala-ismo. NO. Jacqueline A. Morris La tecnologÃa debe ser como el oxÃgeno: Ubicua, necesaria, invisible y Gratis. (AfterChris Lehmann) _______________________________________________ [[--Original text (en) http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/49efac239d.html --]]

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